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What glue do we like now?
I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have
like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? |
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toller wrote:
I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? Don't need Type III unless you need the lower temperature chalk point or the water resistance. It's roughly double the price of yellow glue. Never used the Garrett Wade product so can't compare, but any good-quality yellow aliphatic is plenty strong enough for virtually any woodworking. "Ol' Yeller" from Woodworkers' Supply is somewhat less expensive and every bit as good as the name brands as near as I can tell, but there really isn't much cost differential unless you're into large-scale production. |
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"toller" wrote in message ... I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? I've been very happy with Lee Valley 2000 GF. I've also used TBIII for outdoor use, but it is more expensive and not any better for indoor work. Ed |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message news:ZypVd.47969$t46.470@trndny04... "toller" wrote in message ... I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? I've been very happy with Lee Valley 2000 GF. I've also used TBIII for outdoor use, but it is more expensive and not any better for indoor work. Ed I think the Lee Valley and the GW are the same glue; the descriptions are almost identical. I will stay true; thanks. |
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Yellow Elmhers
-- Rumpty Radial Arm Saw Forum: http://forums.delphiforums.com/woodbutcher/start - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "toller" wrote in message ... I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? |
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
In article , says... I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? I've been enjoying the increased open time of the III. Makes assemblies just a bit less harried when joints that fit a few minutes ago no longer seem to and clamping blocks mysteriously vanish (does that happen to anyone else??). It dries to a darker color than I or II, for what that's worth. I don't use enough over the course of a year for the slightly higher price to make much difference. Can't compare either to the GW202. Roger |
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TBIII works fine, I use it on darker color woods.
TBII still going strong. Although, I've been using Gorilla glue more often, longer open time, good for bent laminations or where waterproofing is required. Sometimes, its just closer. I don't think there is a bad brand of yellow glue. Dave "toller" wrote in message ... I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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While people are thinking about the "newest glue" how do you repair a
joint "in a few years"? I was looking at one of the FW books - and a maker of "fine furniture" suggested that hide glue was still the best if you wanted to plan ahead for the "inevitable repairs". I know that hide glue is still preferred by instrument makers since repairs are assumed to be necessary and an issue in expensive guitars, violins etc. Then it is a matter of heating the joint (since hide glue melts when heated), disassembly, doing the repair and then applying more hide glue -- since the new hide glue should dissolve the old hide glue and form a decent bond as they merge. My understanding is that modern glues may necessitate paring down the old joint (to get rid of the old glue since it seals the wood) , adding wood back and then reglueing... Any thoughts on this issue? toller wrote: I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? -- Will Occasional Techno-geek |
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I've used titebond ii, elmers, and ol' yeller. They all do the job I
assigned them. No complaints. Hope this helps. Joe toller wrote: I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? |
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Never Enough Money wrote:
Gorilla glue. Bleech!!! Never for ordinary woodworking unless absolutely mandatory for full waterproof would I ever use a polyurethane. (And, if you must, there are at least a couple other brands of the identical product cheaper than Gorilla...) |
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Why would you "never" use a polyurethane glue?
It's strong. It's fast but not too fast. The squeeze out is easily removed. It's waterproof so if a grandchild spills a drink on it without you noticing, the joints don't fail (the finish may be damaged, though). It ain't that expensive. My gosh, it's peanuts compared to what we spend on other woodworking tools and supplies. |
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toller wrote:
I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? Don't have a clue. Use two (2) different adhesives in the old boat yard. TiteBond II which is about $13-$14/gallon @ Home Depot for wood projects and epoxy which considerably more for boat projects. They both do a fine job. HTH Lew |
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I use titebond II - just because it was on sale.
I think any type of yellow glue will serve you well for interior applications. I use poly for outdoors. Buy a gallon instead of a quart - it lasts quite a long time. I just emptied my gallon of TB today and it was just as juicy as when I bought it over a year ago. Lou In article , toller wrote: I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? |
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What glue do we like now?
Fresh glue, stored well. Old glue is bad glue. Hide glue. Hot hide glue for veneering Hot hide glue for big glue-ups on "proper" work and carcase assembly. Cold hide glue (Titebond) for "quick fixes". Cheap builder's PVA for plywood, biscuits (diluted) and rough stuff. Some Titebond garbage with no shelf life that turned into chewing gum and won't be getting replaced. Poly when I hate the world and want to build softwood garbage with huge gaps. Epoxy for almost everything. Great vats of the stuff, and a shelf full of fillers, pigments and potions for tweaking it. Rabbit skin glue for when hide glue isn't flexible. Also goes into gesso, compo, gilding and bookbinding. Rice paste for Japanese woodworking that needs to be dismantled in the future (sword scabbards). Take yesterday's leftover rice and mush it with a bit of water. Rice starch paste for paper conservation. A pig to brew up carefully. Wallpaper paste for lots of paper-based stuff. Five hundred different technical things for sticking glass, brass and unobtainium. Welding ! 8-) |
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"toller" wrote: I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? WEST for water proof applications, laminations. Cyanoacrylate for small mitres. Elmers, TB, LePage, any of those quality yellows for anything else wood. ('Cept teak..WEST) Different job, different glue. I use a lot of 3-M polygun hotmelt..LOL |
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Never Enough Money wrote:
Why would you "never" use a polyurethane glue? Because it is over priced and under peckered. You will never find that crap on a good boat. If you need a gap filling adhesive that is also water proof, use epoxy with micro-balloons as a filler. That won't fail when you really need it. HTH Lew |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 03:50:54 GMT, Lew Hodgett
wrote: Never Enough Money wrote: Why would you "never" use a polyurethane glue? If you need a gap filling adhesive that is also water proof, use epoxy with micro-balloons as a filler. Why would you use polyurethane glue for a gap-filling application, since it is specifically *not* a gap-filling glue? "We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill" Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com |
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On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:49:17 -0600, Duane Bozarth
wrote: Never Enough Money wrote: Gorilla glue. Bleech!!! Never for ordinary woodworking unless absolutely mandatory for full waterproof would I ever use a polyurethane. (And, if you must, there are at least a couple other brands of the identical product cheaper than Gorilla...) true for daily use it is not practical. but there are not other brands that are as good. gorilla is the only one as much solids. plus it has no thinners and it has a longer open time. I tested most of them and for oily woods it was stronger then any other brand. -- Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions. |
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Tim Douglass wrote:
Why would you use polyurethane glue for a gap-filling application, since it is specifically *not* a gap-filling glue? I wouldn't use the stuff on a bet; however, that is being a smart alec and not answering your question. To the best of my knowledge, Gorilla glue is an expanding product that supposedly will fill gaps, intensional or otherwise. Maybe it isn't intended as a gap filling product, but it is very tempting to try to use it for one. IMHO, based on the selling price structure of Gorilla glue, it is a very poor value when compared with epoxy and some low cost fillers on either a cost or performance comparison. HTH Lew |
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Never Enough Money wrote:
Why would you "never" use a polyurethane glue? It's strong. It's fast but not too fast. The squeeze out is easily removed. It's waterproof so if a grandchild spills a drink on it without you noticing, the joints don't fail (the finish may be damaged, though). It ain't that expensive. My gosh, it's peanuts compared to what we spend on other woodworking tools and supplies. It's no stronger (and some things I've seen indicate it's not as strong) than carpenter glues. I find the squeeze out a pita -- w/ carpenter glues I can clean up before it dries critical places and it it's an easily surfaced rough joint, still no advantage. I've never had any joint fail under that circumstance...I suppose possible, but never seen it in practice. True, but why spend twice what's needed for it? Plus, my real dislikes-- It foams It discolors/stains and is virtually impossible to remove from skin It takes "forever" to set and thus requires excessively long clamping times Did I mention it's expensive? That said, I was thinking after I posted I should have put a couple of caveats in... I have used it to some extent on exterior repair or similar where the extra water-resistance was desirable and the even more expensive two-part epoxies seemed excessive. It is also (as someone else noted) of use for some assemblies that require long open times for assembly (although most of those have better alternatives imo) and mostly likely use is for location where need an inflexible glue line such as the formed laminate same poster noted. For "ordinary" woodworking, it just has far more drawbacks than advantages. IMO, YMMV, $0.02, etc., ... |
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Steve Knight wrote:
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:49:17 -0600, Duane Bozarth wrote: Never Enough Money wrote: Gorilla glue. Bleech!!! Never for ordinary woodworking unless absolutely mandatory for full waterproof would I ever use a polyurethane. (And, if you must, there are at least a couple other brands of the identical product cheaper than Gorilla...) true for daily use it is not practical. but there are not other brands that are as good. gorilla is the only one as much solids. plus it has no thinners and it has a longer open time. I tested most of them and for oily woods it was stronger then any other brand. I've used it and the Elmer's (I think???) side by side and could tell no discernable difference. Did not try w/ oily woods, however, granted...there could/would be an application I didn't account for. (I retreat to my use of "ordinary", however...) See my other response to see at least a slight moderation on the previous post... |
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ER doc found the Rival Express Hot Pot with variable heat knob worked
as a hot hide glue pot. For $15.00 or so compared to $85.00 or so I found it works as he said it would. On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:41:47 -0800, Larry Blanchard wrote: In article , says... I was looking at one of the FW books - and a maker of "fine furniture" suggested that hide glue was still the best if you wanted to plan ahead for the "inevitable repairs". I've seen that too. And I've used the liquid version for some "fine furniture" I've built. I've got the gluepot and the beads for the hot version, but I've never needed enough at one time to go through the hassle. Now I'm designing an entertainment center and aquarium stand) for our living room. Will I use hide glue? I don't know. While I hope to attain a high level of workmanship, I suspect entertainment centers will not be a hot item on the future antique circuit. OTOH, who woulda' thunk that anyone would collect old iceboxes? |
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To the best of my knowledge, Gorilla glue is an expanding product that supposedly will fill gaps, intensional or otherwise. at most 2mm gaps. but it's best to not have gaps in your work. -- Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions. |
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Did not try w/ oily woods, however, granted...there could/would be an application I didn't account for. (I retreat to my use of "ordinary", however...) that's where the difference is really. otherwise it does not matter. but that's why I use it as I use lots of oily woods. otherwise I would not use it. though for what I do it is nice to only have to glue one side. -- Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions. |
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"toller" wrote in message ... I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? WOOD magazine did a highly scientific study on this a few issues ago. Oh, and be sure and pick up the next months issue where they retract their findings. |
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I still use Elmer's Woodworkers Glue, 90% of the time. I've always
wanted to try the "poly" glues but backed off when I saw the price and shelf life. |
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Phisherman wrote:
I still use Elmer's Woodworkers Glue, 90% of the time. I've always wanted to try the "poly" glues but backed off when I saw the price and shelf life. Good choice unless you've a specific need... |
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I made a jig to store it upside down and put it in the fridge in the
garage. Kept better but still short shelf life for amount I was using. On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:31:19 GMT, Phisherman wrote: I still use Elmer's Woodworkers Glue, 90% of the time. I've always wanted to try the "poly" glues but backed off when I saw the price and shelf life. |
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Greetings and Salutations....
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:01:13 -0800, Steve Knight wrote: To the best of my knowledge, Gorilla glue is an expanding product that supposedly will fill gaps, intensional or otherwise. at most 2mm gaps. but it's best to not have gaps in your work. -- Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions. Hear, Hear! (of course this IS the sort of thing I would expect to hear from a maker of high-end tools *smile*). There are a number of places were it is pointed out that the foam from poly glues have little or no structural strength...and, frankly, when I have used them for "gap filling", I find that I don't even like the look of the foam itself. As for strength...I believe that the poly glues are all VERY strong...however, unlike the "yellow" glues, it is very brittle. That can cause problems in structures subject to strong impact. As for what glues I use? Well, in no particular order, Titebond II, Yellow carpenters glue, epoxy, CA, poly, and "hot"...it depends on what I am trying to accomplish. If I am gluing up a nice panel for a desktop, or raised panel door, I will tend to use the poly glues. They make a very good joint, and I have found that the foam-out does NOT soak into the wood surface as the yellow glues can. Also, even if it does, it is pretty much "stainable", so I can deal with the problem. ONe of the other posters mentioned something about how it stains one's fingers. This IS true, but, is pretty simple to deal with. Harbor Freight sells BIG boxes of nitrile gloves for small money that are comfortable to wear, resistant to tears and do a great job of keeping the stains off one's fingers. If I am gluing up a bookcase with dovetail joints (for example), I will typically use a "yellow" glue, because it has decent open time, acts as a good lubricant for getting the joint together, and remains slightly "springy" and better at absorbing shocks without breaking. If I am putting handles on turning tools, I really like epoxies (but not the 5 minute stuff). I also use it for inserting nuts into wood for "knock down" items. CA (Cyanoacrylate) glues are great for stabilizing punky wood when I am turning something worm-eaten on the late, and, for putting a good, sealing finish on things like pens and goblets. Thicker versions work great for attaching dis-similar materials. The other day, for example, I used a couple drops to attach a small, plastic handle to a metal lid on a CD player to "help" get it opened. Hot glues are great for temporary jig bits, for attaching stock to a faceplate for turning, and, for attaching small bits to larger stock for running through the shaper/router/tablesaw. If applied VERY hot, it is quite strong, but, easy to get off the item when it is removed. Probably a slightly too-long-winded way of saying that I don't have a favorite glue...but find that each type has its own strengths and weaknesses. By the by...I also have used hide glue (in bookbinding) and a couple of years ago, a buddy of mine picked up some white glue that had a tack time more akin to CA glue..and VERY strong bonding strength. That is pretty useful, although I am not sure that the manufacturer (whose name slips my mind, but, was putting the glue in bottles with really attractive blue labels) has managed to ramp up production. Regards Dave Mundt |
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toller wrote:
I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? Personally, I favor a glue that sticks wood together. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ |
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This winter I'm using Titebond III mostly because my basement is in
the low 50s. I also use 15 and 5 minute epoxies, Gorilla glue, super glue, "standard" yellow carpenter's glue, glue sticks, double-face tape, spray adhesive, and GOOP to name a few. Depends on what the end result is supposed to be. I made some squirrel and bird feeders and mailbox covers and use Gorilla glue for them because it's waterproof. I used epoxy to fill some sloppy joints I made and when I'm gluing metals. Also for loose knots. Mixed with some sawdust, it also makes a strong putty for dings and miscues. Superglue also comes in handy to lock knots and some wood splits. I also use to strengthen soft wood and to fix in screws. "toller" wrote: I just used up my quart of glue, and it is time to buy some more. I have like the GarrettWade 202, but have not tried Titebond III. Is it worth a try, or do I stick with 202? |
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:58:20 -0800, nospambob wrote:
I made a jig to store it upside down and put it in the fridge in the garage. Kept better but still short shelf life for amount I was using. I bet bloxegen would really help. not sure though as I use up bottles before they go bad. -- Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions. |
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