If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use? I am
going to woodworking show in Wisconsin this weekend and am thinking of
purchasing this type of router system to save on space in my shop. Any
comments regarding experience on such will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
in advance....Roger

I've got a HEAVY NuCraft router table that fits like a table saw extension
on my saw. I use my Vega fence and miter bars for both the table saw and
the router. I also use the same on/off switch. I highly recommend this set
up.

-jbb

"Roger M." wrote in message
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If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use? I
am going to woodworking show in Wisconsin this weekend and am thinking of
purchasing this type of router system to save on space in my shop. Any
comments regarding experience on such will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
in advance....Roger

I have mine like this and it works well. But why would you buy it? Make
it....it's an enjoyable afternoon.

(pics of mine in the "old shop photos" section at URL below.

Rob

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http://www.robswoodworking.com

"Roger M." wrote in message
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If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use? I
am
going to woodworking show in Wisconsin this weekend and am thinking of
purchasing this type of router system to save on space in my shop. Any
comments regarding experience on such will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
in advance....Roger

"Roger M." wrote in message
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If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use? I
am going to woodworking show in Wisconsin this weekend and am thinking of
purchasing this type of router system to save on space in my shop. Any
comments regarding experience on such will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
in advance....Roger

I have the router mounted in the extension of my Unisaw - It works great.

http://www.teamcasa.org/workshop/images/shop_14.jpg

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"Roger M." wrote in message
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If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use? I
am
going to woodworking show in Wisconsin this weekend and am thinking of
purchasing this type of router system to save on space in my shop. Any
comments regarding experience on such will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
in advance....Roger



Yup. Love it. Build it yourself though - much more fun than buying one.
--

-Mike-

Roger M. wrote:
If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use? I am
going to woodworking show in Wisconsin this weekend and am thinking of
purchasing this type of router system to save on space in my shop. Any
comments regarding experience on such will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
in advance....Roger


Yep, I have one attached to the left cast iron wing of my Ridgid TS2424 saw. It
was recommended that I use the router table in lieu of the left wing but I
thought the wing was stout enought to support it so I just drilled some holes
and bolted it to the left side of the wing rather than the saw itself. It works
fine and it gives me a much bigger area on the left side of the saw if I leave
the router fence off and crank the router down low. I've got a Porter Cable
7513 router in it with a Mast - R- Lift and it's as stout a combination as you
could ask for.

No regrets. I bought mine at Woodcraft for around $300 (IIRC) a year or two
ago.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

Roger M. wrote:
If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use?

I did for years. My experience was as follows:

Pros:
Saves space
Can use TS fence for router, if your fence is double sided
TS is heavy, so things stay in place and vibrations are absorbed

Cons:
Bit is sometimes in way when you need the real estate for TS use
If the setup doesn't have a box around the router, it's not as clean as
a well designed router table
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing

If you can't swing the space or cash for a rudimentary, shop built
table, it's a good solution. I wouldn't spend cash on a fancy version,
because you'll want a standalone version eventually.

Barry

To what Barry said I would add...
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing

"B a r r y" wrote in message
om...
Roger M. wrote:
If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use?

I did for years. My experience was as follows:

Pros:
Saves space
Can use TS fence for router, if your fence is double sided
TS is heavy, so things stay in place and vibrations are absorbed

Cons:
Bit is sometimes in way when you need the real estate for TS use
If the setup doesn't have a box around the router, it's not as clean as a
well designed router table
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing

If you can't swing the space or cash for a rudimentary, shop built table,
it's a good solution. I wouldn't spend cash on a fancy version, because
you'll want a standalone version eventually.

Barry

Hi Roger,

I have been seriously considering the same thing for
my shop. One option is this set-up from MLCS (phenolic mount):

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops...thtml/pages/ro
utabl2.html

or this from Rockler (extruded aluminum plate):

http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product...erings_id=2212

(watch the wrap)

Another was to build one using the Rockler extruded aluminum
plate for support (around $50 IIRC):

http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/findprod.cfm?sku=1385


I will be following this thread to see what others have done.

Lou


In article , Roger M.
wrote:

If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use? I am
going to woodworking show in Wisconsin this weekend and am thinking of
purchasing this type of router system to save on space in my shop. Any
comments regarding experience on such will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
in advance....Roger

In article ,
B a r r y wrote:

....

Cons:
Bit is sometimes in way when you need the real estate for TS use
If the setup doesn't have a box around the router, it's not as clean as
a well designed router table
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing

....
You had the wrong system

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In article ,
"Roger M." wrote:

If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use? I am
going to woodworking show in Wisconsin this weekend and am thinking of
purchasing this type of router system to save on space in my shop. Any
comments regarding experience on such will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
in advance....Roger

I have two, a Bosch (discontinued) that works well and allows me to
remove the router in moments (thus it's not in the road). I also milled
the cast iron extension to allow a plexi dropin mount. I can take that
out and put in a blanking plug.
I would do either (or both) again. Both allows me to have two setups
ready

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Ralph E Lindberg wrote:

You had the wrong system

Your system allows the router to be removed, and the fence to be moved,
and then replace everything with perfect accuracy? What is it?

I liked the space savings, so if such an animal exists, I'd use it again.

I also used Bosch routers that allow me to pull the motor out, as well
as a removable plate. Neither fix the problem with moving the fence.

Barry

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:13:25 GMT, B a r r y
wrote:

Ralph E Lindberg wrote:

You had the wrong system

Your system allows the router to be removed, and the fence to be moved,
and then replace everything with perfect accuracy? What is it?

I liked the space savings, so if such an animal exists, I'd use it again.

I also used Bosch routers that allow me to pull the motor out, as well
as a removable plate. Neither fix the problem with moving the fence.

Barry

FWIW, I recently got a Jointech system that I am hoping to find the time
soon to install. In _theory_, that should solve the problem. In theory.
-- Igor

http://www.jointech.com/tablesaw_systems.htm

In article ,
says...
If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use? I am
going to woodworking show in Wisconsin this weekend and am thinking of
purchasing this type of router system to save on space in my shop. Any
comments regarding experience on such will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
in advance....Roger

I have one I built as a torsion box to replace the left wing on the
tablesaw. I've used it for several years and it works well for me. But
I have a small shop and really didn't have room for a separate router
table. Certainly not one with the table surface I have now.

I made a screw-on fence that attaches to the saws rip fence. But a lot
of times I just clamp a straight board to the table or use a piloted
bit. So the advantage of being able to use the rip fence isn't as great
as some would have you believe.

On the whole I think it's definitely the way to go in a small shop.

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

In article ,
says...
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing

Mine lifts out. And I have a piece of plywood that fills the hole.
What's the big problem?

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

When I bought my Grizzly G0555 I got the 72 inch extension with legs. Best
investment I ever made.

"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use? I
am
going to woodworking show in Wisconsin this weekend and am thinking of
purchasing this type of router system to save on space in my shop. Any
comments regarding experience on such will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
in advance....Roger

I have one I built as a torsion box to replace the left wing on the
tablesaw. I've used it for several years and it works well for me. But
I have a small shop and really didn't have room for a separate router
table. Certainly not one with the table surface I have now.

I made a screw-on fence that attaches to the saws rip fence. But a lot
of times I just clamp a straight board to the table or use a piloted
bit. So the advantage of being able to use the rip fence isn't as great
as some would have you believe.

On the whole I think it's definitely the way to go in a small shop.

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

In article ,
says...
I also used Bosch routers that allow me to pull the motor out, as well
as a removable plate. Neither fix the problem with moving the fence.

OK, now I see the problem. To be honest, I haven't run into it, but
maybe your work sequence and mine vary.

But can't you clamp a stop block to the fence rail(s) or the table where
it doesn't interfere with sawing?

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

Larry Blanchard wrote:
In article ,
says...

I also used Bosch routers that allow me to pull the motor out, as well
as a removable plate. Neither fix the problem with moving the fence.


OK, now I see the problem. To be honest, I haven't run into it, but
maybe your work sequence and mine vary.

But can't you clamp a stop block to the fence rail(s) or the table where
it doesn't interfere with sawing?


Sure.

Now, what about the router? G

This is a case of 1/32" in one of three planes possibly being a big
deal. I'm often working on several things at once, so it's difficult to
not need one machine or the other, even though one is set up for something.

I'm all ears if something is out there that'll truly solve the problem.

Barry

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:53:26 GMT, "Roger M." wrote:

If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use? I am
going to woodworking show in Wisconsin this weekend and am thinking of
purchasing this type of router system to save on space in my shop. Any
comments regarding experience on such will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
in advance....Roger

======================
Without reading the comments of the other replies you have received
Let me throw in my 2 cents worth ....

I mounted a router in the wing of a Table saw years ago and to be
honest it did work... but I made room in my shop for a dedicated
router table after a few years... Main reason was that it was way too
low to work comfortably with for any but the shortest sessions... you
say it was a pain in the Back...

I still have a router mounted in it but very very rarely use it only
because my regular table (bench dog) is set at a comfortable height
plus is just so much more Flexible ..

In short I made the room... and I am very glad I did...

Bob Griffiths

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:16:15 -0500, "Eric" wrote:

To what Barry said I would add...
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing


Plus if you use your tablesaw as a table or assembly area you can not
get to the router...
Sounds funny but you would be surprised at the number of times I had
to "clean off " the tablesaw to use the router...

Bob Griffiths

"Bob G." wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:16:15 -0500, "Eric" wrote:


Sounds funny but you would be surprised at the number of times I had
to "clean off " the tablesaw to use the router...

Shucks, I have to clean things to find my table saw, then I have to clean
off the table saw, then hopefully I can find one of my five routers. RM~

I am a mechanic by trade and often use a mill to make parts for machinery.
I might get another wing extension and mill a recessed hole for my router.
But then......I often do more than one woodworking project at a time and it
is very possible that.........

Router mght be in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when I need
the space for sawing.

Router mght be in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when I need
the space for sawing.

Router mght be in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when I need
the space for sawing.

Router mght be in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when I need
the space for sawing.

Router mght be in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when I need
the space for sawing.

Router mght be in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when I need
the space for sawing.

There is much to think about....thanks again for giving me more insight!!


--
Roger J.

A woman is just a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke !
.......... Rudyard Kipling

In article G3uTd.14308$ds.9920@okepread07, says...
Shucks, I have to clean things to find my table saw, then I have to clean
off the table saw, then hopefully I can find one of my five routers. RM~

I finally replaced some open steel shelving with a closed bench height
cabinet and an overhead cabinet. Now I have a place to put the Nova
Comet lathe I bought several years ago.

Hey - this turning stuff is fun! I may have to put off that
entertainment center my wife has been begging for :-).

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

Roger,

I considered doing a table wing router saw too.

I ended up making a free standing unit. The big reason was because I
realized that I could make it the same height as the table saw and thus
use the router table as an infeed table when cutting big sheets of
plywood on the tablesaw.
It actually gets more use that way than as a router table.

Something to think about if you make a lot of rips on long pieces of
wood or cut a lot of plywood.

I built a router cabinet onto the left table extension of my saw. Works
great. When it's not a router table the 2" thick oak top doubles as a small
woodworking bench too.

bill otten

"Roger M." wrote in message
...
If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use? I
am going to woodworking show in Wisconsin this weekend and am thinking of
purchasing this type of router system to save on space in my shop. Any
comments regarding experience on such will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
in advance....Roger

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:49:47 -0800, Larry Blanchard
wrote:

In article G3uTd.14308$ds.9920@okepread07, says...
Shucks, I have to clean things to find my table saw, then I have to clean
off the table saw, then hopefully I can find one of my five routers. RM~

I finally replaced some open steel shelving with a closed bench height
cabinet and an overhead cabinet. Now I have a place to put the Nova
Comet lathe I bought several years ago.

Hey - this turning stuff is fun! I may have to put off that
entertainment center my wife has been begging for :-).
======================================

Turning is fun....although I do not do it as much as I used to
But years ago when my sons were little leaguers I remember
them begging me to teach them how to use the lathe (to Turn their own
baseball bats....).... They made a couple...And I had a ball

BUT the end result is that 25-30 years later they both are confirmed
woodworkers and just this Christmas one came up to me and was bitching
that "his" son did not want any stink en wood bat....he wanted an
Aluminum Bat.... Ah Sheet! what's today's kids coming to....?

PS...My wife is retired from Alcoa .. (Think .. Beer Cans.. ...I can
support that .... but not Aluminum Bats..

Bob Griffiths.

On 25 Feb 2005 12:44:18 -0800, "bf" wrote:

Roger,

I considered doing a table wing router saw too.

I ended up making a free standing unit. The big reason was because I
realized that I could make it the same height as the table saw and thus
use the router table as an infeed table when cutting big sheets of
plywood on the tablesaw.
It actually gets more use that way than as a router table.

Something to think about if you make a lot of rips on long pieces of
wood or cut a lot of plywood.


the right wing of my saw has several drop in sections just kind of
floating loose. I swap them out for various configurations of router
table type things on occasion, though most of my table router work is
done on a stand alone router table. one of the operations I do on the
saw wing most often is raising panels with a vertical panel raising
bit, but with the router in the horizontal position. for that I made a
qiuckie single purpose table to drop into the wing and haven't needed
to modify it since.

Roger M. wrote:
If so, do you obtain good results? Can you comment on ease of use? I am
going to woodworking show in Wisconsin this weekend and am thinking of
purchasing this type of router system to save on space in my shop. Any
comments regarding experience on such will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
in advance....Roger



Yes, you can obtain good results. Using the rip fence for the router
works well for me. Also, I have a pretty long set of rails so I have
made a 'jointer fence' that runs lengthways down the table for edge
flattening with the router. I sometimes make a long channel, lengthwise
on the tables to cut edge mouldings and put featherboards on it to hold
the work against the long fence. With this setup I can safely climb
cut the edge profile to eliminate tearout.

Another poster mentioned that the router can be in the way of the saw
and I find that is true too sometimes.

I rigged up an outlet and control box with some relays to control my
router/tablesaw with a footswitch, easily switch between saw and router
(so I can use the magnetic contactor) and automatically turn on the
vacuum on when I turn on either saw or router. (the resistive braking
didn't work though ;( ) Overall, it functions pretty well.

If your saw rails didn't come with a table, just make one out of mdf and
laminate. I used the one that came with my saw, but it is substandard.
If you make one, consider making it sit on leveling feet or shims (on
the rails) so you can adjust it to be perfectly flat with the tabletop.
Otherwise, the rip fence may bind.

You can buy a router base plate for a few bucks, or buy a router lift.

B a r r y wrote:
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing
Router is in the way, after being painstakingly adjusted, when you need
the space for sawing


Mine is on a "drop-in" mouting plate; if the router is in the way, I
pull it out and drop a solid blank in the hole. When finished sawing
drop it back in, settings are all fine.

If your router bolts or is otherwise permanently affixed to the table,
this is a problem, but it isn't for me....

BTW, I got one of the previous generation Craftman with a solid cast
iron left extension and an oversize MDF right extension. I pulled the
factory MDF extension out of the sheet metal frame and built a router
table top to fit. Works great for me, saves space in my small shop, get
to re-use the TS fence, etc. I still need to box it in for dust
collection purposes, though.

-j