I'm trying to match some stained pine furniture in my bedroom with a new
audio system rack I'm building.

The color they have it is an approximation to oak but more orange(warm) and
dark with a satin finish.

Its pretty close to in between these colors.

I little darker than this http://mobexpert.garant.ro/pine/R2110.jpg but less
shading than this

http://www.worlddesigncenter.com/ind...-C-C105DK&so=1


I have the book "understanding wood finishes" by Flexner (excellent
resource) but he has several approaches, with varying success, of staining
pine without it blotching. he recommend not staining pine at all due to its
issues but that is not an option for me.

As a test I found bought olympic "controlled penetration" stain from lowes
on a test piece of pine craft board and that stuff blotched badly and didn't
have the warm color that I saw on the pine display piece.


Heres my new plan.

1) Sand to a 320 grit finish.
2) Put on a light spitcoat of thinned shellac.
3) Lightly Sand again
4) Use Wood-Kote thick gel stain and apply as many times as required to get
the darkness
5) seal with satin polyurethane (Minwax) or lacquer or shellac.

I have a sprayer/compresor but no spray booth for dust free (working in a
garage). I'd probably have to spray outside where its cool now (50-70F),
high humidity in the 80+% range but not too windy.

Does it make a difference if I use knotty pine paperback veneer instead of
plywood if I make sure the substrate is stable? Does the veneer take stain
differently?


Suggestions to my plan?

Mook,

I just finished staining over 450 linear feet of pine T&G planking. I had
good success using the Minwax Pre-Stain Wood Conditioner. Without the
conditioner the stain appeared blotchy and uneven. I was very pleased with
the results after using the conditioner.

After staining, I applied multiple coats of polyurethane, where I lightly
sanded between coats. Also, I applied all of the materials using a good
brush and painters cloth to wipe off the excess stain.

Regards,

Bob



"Mook Johnson" wrote in message
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I'm trying to match some stained pine furniture in my bedroom with a new
audio system rack I'm building.

The color they have it is an approximation to oak but more orange(warm)
and dark with a satin finish.

Its pretty close to in between these colors.

I little darker than this http://mobexpert.garant.ro/pine/R2110.jpg but
less shading than this

http://www.worlddesigncenter.com/ind...-C-C105DK&so=1


I have the book "understanding wood finishes" by Flexner (excellent
resource) but he has several approaches, with varying success, of staining
pine without it blotching. he recommend not staining pine at all due to
its issues but that is not an option for me.

As a test I found bought olympic "controlled penetration" stain from lowes
on a test piece of pine craft board and that stuff blotched badly and
didn't have the warm color that I saw on the pine display piece.


Heres my new plan.

1) Sand to a 320 grit finish.
2) Put on a light spitcoat of thinned shellac.
3) Lightly Sand again
4) Use Wood-Kote thick gel stain and apply as many times as required to
get the darkness
5) seal with satin polyurethane (Minwax) or lacquer or shellac.

I have a sprayer/compresor but no spray booth for dust free (working in a
garage). I'd probably have to spray outside where its cool now (50-70F),
high humidity in the 80+% range but not too windy.

Does it make a difference if I use knotty pine paperback veneer instead of
plywood if I make sure the substrate is stable? Does the veneer take
stain differently?


Suggestions to my plan?

I used Minwax wood conditioner, the SECOND time I read the directions and
applied stain right away after the conditioner. I also used gel stain,
because it stayed on top of the surface rather than soaking in. Worked out
well, minimal variation and blotches.

Walt C
"Mook Johnson" wrote in message
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I'm trying to match some stained pine furniture in my bedroom with a new
audio system rack I'm building.

The color they have it is an approximation to oak but more orange(warm)
and dark with a satin finish.

Its pretty close to in between these colors.

I little darker than this http://mobexpert.garant.ro/pine/R2110.jpg but
less shading than this

http://www.worlddesigncenter.com/ind...-C-C105DK&so=1


I have the book "understanding wood finishes" by Flexner (excellent
resource) but he has several approaches, with varying success, of staining
pine without it blotching. he recommend not staining pine at all due to
its issues but that is not an option for me.

As a test I found bought olympic "controlled penetration" stain from lowes
on a test piece of pine craft board and that stuff blotched badly and
didn't have the warm color that I saw on the pine display piece.


Heres my new plan.

1) Sand to a 320 grit finish.
2) Put on a light spitcoat of thinned shellac.
3) Lightly Sand again
4) Use Wood-Kote thick gel stain and apply as many times as required to
get the darkness
5) seal with satin polyurethane (Minwax) or lacquer or shellac.

I have a sprayer/compresor but no spray booth for dust free (working in a
garage). I'd probably have to spray outside where its cool now (50-70F),
high humidity in the 80+% range but not too windy.

Does it make a difference if I use knotty pine paperback veneer instead of
plywood if I make sure the substrate is stable? Does the veneer take
stain differently?


Suggestions to my plan?

Mook Johnson wrote:

Don't try to oversand on pine...more than about 220 is a waste of time
imo...

Use a sanding sealer even before the shellac...then you may not need the
shellac.

Of course, a yellow shellac could be useful for achieving the tint you
desire.

Test on large enough piece of actual material before committing to
project.

Ditto on the Minwax stain Conditioner. Use it on almost all _stained_
work now to guarantee consistent results.

Mook Johnson wrote:
I'm trying to match some stained pine furniture in my bedroom with a new
audio system rack I'm building.

The color they have it is an approximation to oak but more orange(warm) and
dark with a satin finish.

Its pretty close to in between these colors.
--
Will
Occasional Techno-geek

You are getting good advice here. The Minwax pre-stain is a must for
Pine. Slosh it on, wipe it down and stain away.

Also, rougher grits will allow the stain to penetrate easier. Going to
320 will make it much harder to get the color to go dark enough.

I am doing a color right now that uses Minwax Puritan Pine and then I
wash over it with a dark brown glaze and wipe it off immediately. It
significanly darkens and changes the tone of the color but it gives me
to old look I want for these pieces.

I use poly, lacquer or shellac depending on the piece but it's all the
same for me.

You can see an example at
http://www.sonomaproducts.com/Househ...-Stocky-PS.htm . Make sure to
expand the picture to get a better look.