Is anyone here a cabinet maker? Does it pay well? Is the job
interesting and satisfying or is it boring? Do you have to work
overtime a lot? Where do you go to train in this field and what kind of
training do you have to get? Is there currently any shortage of cabinet
makers?

wrote:
Is anyone here a cabinet maker? Does it pay well? Is the job
interesting and satisfying or is it boring? Do you have to work
overtime a lot? Where do you go to train in this field and what kind
of
training do you have to get? Is there currently any shortage of
cabinet
makers?

You didn't say where you were from so I'll assume the US. Check out
this link from the US Bureau of Labor Standards.

http://stats.bls.gov/oco/ocos237.htm

wrote:
Is anyone here a cabinet maker? Does it pay well?

It can, I know of one that makes well over $100,000 a year. Depends on how
good you are.


Is the job
interesting and satisfying or is it boring?

This is very subjective. What I find boring you may find excieting. This
goes for fishing, baseball, being a barber, welder, or doctor. Do you want
to work in a productions shop or in a custom shop?


Do you have to work
overtime a lot?

Hmm, sounds like you are looking for minimalist work. Maybe being as
associate at Wal Mark would be more suitable as they barely get 40 hours.


Where do you go to train in this field and what kind of training do you
have to get?

Try the American School of Cabinet Making. Check out apprentice programs.

Is there currently any shortage of cabinet makers?

There is always work for the really good ones.

"Edwin Pawlowski" writes:

Do you have to work
overtime a lot?

Hmm, sounds like you are looking for minimalist work. Maybe being as
associate at Wal Mark would be more suitable as they barely get 40 hours.

What is wrong with not wanting to work over 40 hours a week on a routine
basis?

The government set the normal work week at 40 hours per week for a reason.

Brian Elfert

On 07 Feb 2005 17:06:37 GMT, Brian Elfert wrote:

"Edwin Pawlowski" writes:

Do you have to work
overtime a lot?

Hmm, sounds like you are looking for minimalist work. Maybe being as
associate at Wal Mark would be more suitable as they barely get 40 hours.

What is wrong with not wanting to work over 40 hours a week on a routine
basis?

The government set the normal work week at 40 hours per week for a reason.

Brian Elfert

Oh boy, this is where the thread goes downhill...


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"Brian Elfert" wrote in message
...
"Edwin Pawlowski" writes:

Do you have to work
overtime a lot?

Hmm, sounds like you are looking for minimalist work. Maybe being as
associate at Wal Mark would be more suitable as they barely get 40 hours.

What is wrong with not wanting to work over 40 hours a week on a routine
basis?

The government set the normal work week at 40 hours per week for a reason.

Brian Elfert

My interpretation of the question was noted by my answer. Nothing is wrong
with a 40 hour week, but most people considering a specific career don't
look at overtime as a basis for making the decision. That may be a reason to
take or not take a job with a specific company.

What if the linemen that are out in storms to get your electric service back
stopped because they already had their 40 hours in? Sometimes you have to
do what you have to do and do it with honor, not begrudgingly.

Now, you may ask what is the basis for my interpretation. That is based on
my experience. I've hired hundreds of people over many years. I've been
asked questions like, "do I have to work overtime". No you do not have to.
But, based on my experience, young people that ask that are some of the
laziest workers I've ever seen. They want to get paid for 40 hours, they
only want to work 20 or so and try to do just the bare minimum to get by.

FWIW, I don't hire high school dropouts either. While not finishing high
school was common many years ago, it is rarely necessary not to finish.
Again, from experience those that can't make it through 12 years of school
can't make it very well in the working world. (Yes, there are exceptions
but the majority are lazy).

I get applicants all the time that have a line like: I need a job. I
really need a job. I want to work. I have to work to make my car payment.
So then I hire them. 50% never show up, 2% disappear at break time, 40%
last one day.

If you think I'm a workaholic, you are wrong. I'm "at work" for 45 hours a
week. Sometimes I work 45, other times I work much less (like right now).
OTOH, I like being here. To me, it is not work as I have no set hours, come
and go as I please, and work with some very nice people.
Ed

"Edwin Pawlowski" writes:


What if the linemen that are out in storms to get your electric service back
stopped because they already had their 40 hours in? Sometimes you have to
do what you have to do and do it with honor, not begrudgingly.

A lot of jobs have occasional overtime and that wouldn't be an issue for a
lot of people. A job where you are expected to work overtime week in and
week out would get to a lot of people. You might make more money, but you
can never enjoy your money.

The auto industry often offers or requires overtime work. Workers become
used to the extra money and sometimes run into trouble when the overtime
is no longer there.

Brian Elfert

"Brian Elfert" wrote in message
A lot of jobs have occasional overtime and that wouldn't be an issue for a
lot of people. A job where you are expected to work overtime week in and
week out would get to a lot of people. You might make more money, but you
can never enjoy your money.

That is in the eye of the beholder. I know a few people that making money
is more fun than anything else they could do. They are usually the
exception, but I have one fellow here that will work as long as we let him
and would (and sometimes does) gladly work 60+ hours. You may sit back and
admire your latest woodworking creation, he'd rather look at a pay stub
showing overtime.



The auto industry often offers or requires overtime work. Workers become
used to the extra money and sometimes run into trouble when the overtime
is no longer there.

They do, though, make a livable wage at 40 hours in most cases. Depends on
how you want to live.
Ed

"Edwin Pawlowski" writes:

The auto industry often offers or requires overtime work. Workers become
used to the extra money and sometimes run into trouble when the overtime
is no longer there.

They do, though, make a livable wage at 40 hours in most cases. Depends on
how you want to live.

Auto workers do quite well at 40 hours per week, especially for minimally
skilled labor. There are still those who look at overtime as normal wages
after doing it for years and get burnt when it goes away.

Politicians don't want to lose the local Ford plant because of the all the
good jobs it provides. The plant produces the Ford Ranger exclusively and
sales are way down for that vehicle. Rumors keep circulating that the
Ranger may be discontinued and the plant closed. Ford's sales continue to
slide so it is unlikely Ford would something else there.

Brian Elfert

We started a furniture cabinet shop in San Francisco. It was the height of
the boom years but the second year we brought in 150K with one fulltime and
one part time partner. My partner is now running the shop and has two
employees and is doing very well. SF is a hot market with lot's of
designers, architects and money. I didn't find the work appealing. My
partner did.
max

"Edwin Pawlowski" writes:

Do you have to work
overtime a lot?

Hmm, sounds like you are looking for minimalist work. Maybe being as
associate at Wal Mark would be more suitable as they barely get 40 hours.

What is wrong with not wanting to work over 40 hours a week on a routine
basis?

The government set the normal work week at 40 hours per week for a reason.

Brian Elfert

You talk about lazy workers, how about insensitive bosses who couldn't
care less about the health of their workers and make them stand on
their feet for long hours, damaging their health? How about bosses who
treat their workers as if they are machines and simply discard them
when they wear out? All I'm asking for is to work 8 hours on most days
and to get a 15 min break every two hours. If there's going to be many
12 or 16 hour work days that kill my health and/or if the boss doesn't
like you to take breaks , I don't want the job. I've already had my
health damaged by previous jobs and I don't want to go into another job
where the bosses couldn't give a **** about your mental or physical
health and just work the **** out of you until you can't take it
anymore. What's wrong with helping employees stay healthy?

wrote in message ...
You talk about lazy workers, how about insensitive bosses who couldn't
care less about the health of their workers and make them stand on
their feet for long hours, damaging their health?

No one can MAKE you do that. Unless you live is some third world country,
most of the modern world lets us choose where we DON'T want to work. We
can't always get into the places we'd really like, but no one forces you to
go to a place that treats you badly. Many years ago, people fought for
better working conditions and won. Some still alllow themselves to be
treated like machines instead of people. While I'm not a union supporter,
the unions banded workers together to rebel against such practices. It
worked.

How about bosses who
treat their workers as if they are machines and simply discard them
when they wear out? All I'm asking for is to work 8 hours on most days
and to get a 15 min break every two hours.

If you worked for our company, you'd get those breaks. Most would give it to
you as a matter of policy You would not be discarded and in fact, welcomed
if you are one of the older reliable workers. In 18 years, never a layoff
even in slow times. Lazy ones quit no matter what you give them for breaks.

If there's going to be many
12 or 16 hour work days that kill my health and/or if the boss doesn't
like you to take breaks , I don't want the job. I've already had my
health damaged by previous jobs and I don't want to go into another job
where the bosses couldn't give a **** about your mental or physical
health and just work the **** out of you until you can't take it
anymore.

So don't work there. You asked about a particular career. No matter what
line of work you do, some places will treat you like crap, others will
regard you for what you are. If you don't have the physical stamina for a
physically demanding job, don't look for foundry work but don't think that
sitting at a desk all day is easy either if the boss is a prick. I worked
at places I did not like. I quite and went elsewhere. Don't try to tell me
that you can't quit because you have a family, bills to pay, jobs are
scarce. Been there. Found my way out.

What's wrong with helping employees stay healthy?

Happy workers are healthy workers. I can think of many in our crew that
have not taken a day off for sickness in years.

Good luck with any career or trade you choose. More important than a
particular trade is the company you go to work for. If you don't like them,
QUIT.

As I stated earlier, I enjoy my time at work. Some days are easy, some are
busier. NONE are stressful because I won't let them be. IMO, stress comes
from inside, not outside sources. Hectic, yes, but that just makes it
interesting to overcome the obstacle of the moment. Just like playing a
game or solving a puzzle. Yes, its fun. I think I have one of the best jobs
in the world.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/