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designing on paper
I've been woodworking for about 10 years now and have built many
projects using detailed plans. I've also done a few designs of my own. I'm realizing that I need to learn how to produce detailed drawings of my concepts to help avoid design mistakes midstream. Not to mention to have something to show my wife what I'm building. Right now I just have to describe it the best I can and then say "trust me, it will be nice." I looked into taking a drafting class at the local schools, but can't seem to find a non-CAD drafting class (I want to start on paper). I also found it difficult to find books on this subject as well. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to teach myself designing on paper? BTW, my drawing skills are somewhat lacking, so I need to start at the basics here. |
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Might try your local library for old drafting textbooks. Libraries seem
to abound in out-of-date books... Since cad became the rage, no one is writing, much less selling drafting books. Too bad. It's much faster to learn to draft than to learn cad. You'll need a minium of equipment to start: small drafting board, t-square, couple of triangles, scaling rule (to draw to some scale, say 1/4 or 1/8), compass, drafting pencil, sharpener, eraser. No need for fancy, expensive drafting sets just to start. I'd try to find books that had lessons in them to get started. Hope this helps. |
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On 21 Jan 2005 10:23:41 -0800, "
wrote: I've been woodworking for about 10 years now and have built many projects using detailed plans. I've also done a few designs of my own. I'm realizing that I need to learn how to produce detailed drawings of my concepts to help avoid design mistakes midstream. Not to mention to have something to show my wife what I'm building. Right now I just have to describe it the best I can and then say "trust me, it will be nice." I looked into taking a drafting class at the local schools, but can't seem to find a non-CAD drafting class (I want to start on paper). I also found it difficult to find books on this subject as well. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to teach myself designing on paper? BTW, my drawing skills are somewhat lacking, so I need to start at the basics here. ==================== I am now in my 60's.... and I "learned".. woodworking from my Dad.. who was a draftsman ... BUT he never sat down and "drew" up a complete set of plans in his life that I know of... He did make rough sketches for a basic design all with correct demensions etc and he did make enlarged sketches of some of the joints...again with measurements.... I continue to use the same methods...I sure can not draw either but to make something like a end table or chest of drawers or a desk you really do not need to be an artist... I will admit to a "few" screw ups. Bob Griffiths. |
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It has been about 15 years since I last looked at it, but Frank Ching's book
"Architectural Graphics" is a standard. It covers all types of drawing and does not limit itself to "drafting". Looking at ebay I see it is selling for anywhere from $0.99 to $5.00. The techniques in there will come in handy when you need more than an isometric drawing to show to your wife. -j wrote in message oups.com... I've been woodworking for about 10 years now and have built many projects using detailed plans. I've also done a few designs of my own. I'm realizing that I need to learn how to produce detailed drawings of my concepts to help avoid design mistakes midstream. Not to mention to have something to show my wife what I'm building. Right now I just have to describe it the best I can and then say "trust me, it will be nice." I looked into taking a drafting class at the local schools, but can't seem to find a non-CAD drafting class (I want to start on paper). I also found it difficult to find books on this subject as well. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to teach myself designing on paper? BTW, my drawing skills are somewhat lacking, so I need to start at the basics here. |
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On 21 Jan 2005 10:23:41 -0800, "
wrote: I've been woodworking for about 10 years now and have built many projects using detailed plans. I've also done a few designs of my own. I'm realizing that I need to learn how to produce detailed drawings of my concepts to help avoid design mistakes midstream. Not to mention to have something to show my wife what I'm building. Right now I just have to describe it the best I can and then say "trust me, it will be nice." I looked into taking a drafting class at the local schools, but can't seem to find a non-CAD drafting class (I want to start on paper). I also found it difficult to find books on this subject as well. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to teach myself designing on paper? BTW, my drawing skills are somewhat lacking, so I need to start at the basics here. go to a book store. go to the oldest store in town, the one with the oldest books, the oldest booksellers and the been at that location the longest. look for a really old copy of architectural graphics standards. |
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go to a book store. go to the oldest store in town, the one with the oldest books, the oldest booksellers and the been at that location the longest. look for a really old copy of architectural graphics standards. Architectural Graphics Standards does not teach you how to draw/draft. It is useful if you want to find out standard width of parking stalls or flashing details, but it won't help this poster as much as many other more topical books will. -j |
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This doesn't answer your question about learning how to draw on paper.
I guess that's been covered--get thee to a library or bookstore. On the subject of CAD software, I realize it is expensive but may I suggest a different way to look at it? Think of it as another workshop tool. One that will help save you money and time in mistakes not made. I doubt that anyone would argue against proper planning. I find that by the time I've completed a drawing whether with paper and pencil or on the computer, it feels almost like I've built the project once and I go out to the shop with much more confidence. http://www.woodshopphotos.com/albums...m/shopcab3.jpg The link is to a drawing of a cabinet I built for my shop. although you can't see it in the drawing, all parts were drawn as individual pieces and "assembled" to make the cabinet. Duplicate parts were drawn once and copied. Everything was worked out in the drawing down to the joinery. No, the software wasn't as cheap as a pencil and a pad of paper but it is makes it easier for me to make 3D views which I am able to do on paper. It also lets me "walk" around the model to ensure I haven't missed something. My .02 Dave |
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On 21 Jan 2005 14:13:37 -0800, "Dave" wrote:
No, the software wasn't as cheap as a pencil and a pad of paper but it is makes it easier for me to make 3D views which I am able to do on paper. It also lets me "walk" around the model to ensure I haven't missed something. Does it have a name? |
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Guess who, yes, it does have a name. The software that I use is called
SketchUp ( http://www.sketchup.com ). It was developed as a tool for architects to do design work. It isn't really a CAD application although it has the ability to do dimensioning and can be a very effective tool for woodworkers. I have several CAD programs as well but I've found that SketchUp has a much shorter learning curve and is more intuitive to use. The company's site has tutorial videos under Training if you'd like to see it in action. I also use a 2D CAD application called Anvil 1000 which is ancient but very effective. As CAD software goes, it is about as easy as you can get. It runs in DOS so it doesn't have a pretty GUI but it runs faster than AutoCAD or other similar software. That program and a bunch of drawings will fit on a 1.44Mb floppy and will run from the disk. That makes it very portable. Unfortunately, Anvil 1K would be tough to find any more. Admittedly, since I bought SketchUp, I don't use Anvil as much as I did before. Dave |
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On 21 Jan 2005 17:02:27 -0800, "Dave" wrote:
Thanks. Try DeltaCad. Very intuitive and effective 2D drafting. Solid Edge has the edge over a lot of 3D modelling software. Guess who, yes, it does have a name. The software that I use is called SketchUp ( http://www.sketchup.com ). It was developed as a tool for architects to do design work. It isn't really a CAD application although it has the ability to do dimensioning and can be a very effective tool for woodworkers. I have several CAD programs as well but I've found that SketchUp has a much shorter learning curve and is more intuitive to use. The company's site has tutorial videos under Training if you'd like to see it in action. I also use a 2D CAD application called Anvil 1000 which is ancient but very effective. As CAD software goes, it is about as easy as you can get. It runs in DOS so it doesn't have a pretty GUI but it runs faster than AutoCAD or other similar software. That program and a bunch of drawings will fit on a 1.44Mb floppy and will run from the disk. That makes it very portable. Unfortunately, Anvil 1K would be tough to find any more. Admittedly, since I bought SketchUp, I don't use Anvil as much as I did before. Dave |
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" wrote:
I've been woodworking for about 10 years now and have built many projects using detailed plans. I've also done a few designs of my own. I'm realizing that I need to learn how to produce detailed drawings of my concepts to help avoid design mistakes midstream. Not to mention to have something to show my wife what I'm building. Right now I just have to describe it the best I can and then say "trust me, it will be nice." I looked into taking a drafting class at the local schools, but can't seem to find a non-CAD drafting class (I want to start on paper). I also found it difficult to find books on this subject as well. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to teach myself designing on paper? BTW, my drawing skills are somewhat lacking, so I need to start at the basics here. While not a drawing 'how to', you might want to take a look at some of the 'Shop Drawings ...' books on the market. There could be enough information there for both learning and inspiration. Also check out some of the woodworking design books. |
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On 21 Jan 2005 10:23:41 -0800, "
wrote: I've been woodworking for about 10 years now and have built many projects using detailed plans. I've also done a few designs of my own. I'm realizing that I need to learn how to produce detailed drawings of my concepts to help avoid design mistakes midstream. Not to mention to have something to show my wife what I'm building. Right now I just have to describe it the best I can and then say "trust me, it will be nice." I looked into taking a drafting class at the local schools, but can't seem to find a non-CAD drafting class (I want to start on paper). I also found it difficult to find books on this subject as well. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to teach myself designing on paper? BTW, my drawing skills are somewhat lacking, so I need to start at the basics here. Go to a used book store that handles technical books and pick up a book on drafting from the 60s or earlier. I have my father's copy of French's "Mechanical Drawing" from the 1930s and it is invaluable. --RC "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets fly with a club. -- John W. Cambell Jr. |
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I looked into taking a drafting class at the local schools, but can't seem to find a non-CAD drafting class (I want to start on paper). I also found it difficult to find books on this subject as well. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to teach myself designing on paper? BTW, my drawing skills are somewhat lacking, so I need to start at the basics here. Do you know anyone that does have the skill? It takes time to become a really good draftsman, but you'd be amazed at how much you can learn in 30 minutes with a hands on instructor. Then a book to teach you more detail as needed. I was fortunate about 40 years ago when I worked in inventory control I needed to find a part and all I had was a drawing. I floundered for a while and asked a designer to explain what I was looking at. He took the time to explain a drawing, the different views, sections, etc. While I don't have the skill needed to do the drawings for a house or an engine block, I can draw out a table, bench, etc. with some scale. That gives me a good sense of proportion, allows me to dimension, plan material, cuts, etc. Ask your friends if they know how to draw or if they can recommend someone that would be willing to sit down with you for a short time. In no time you'll be doing some simple designs with a ruler, triangle sharp pencil and grid paper. Oh, don't forget an eraser also. -- Ed http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/ |
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On 21 Jan 2005 10:23:41 -0800, "
wrote: I've been woodworking for about 10 years now and have built many projects using detailed plans. I've also done a few designs of my own. I'm realizing that I need to learn how to produce detailed drawings of my concepts to help avoid design mistakes midstream. Not to mention to have something to show my wife what I'm building. Right now I just have to describe it the best I can and then say "trust me, it will be nice." I looked into taking a drafting class at the local schools, but can't seem to find a non-CAD drafting class (I want to start on paper). I also found it difficult to find books on this subject as well. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to teach myself designing on paper? BTW, my drawing skills are somewhat lacking, so I need to start at the basics here. I doubt that it is still in print, but "Engineering Design Graphics" by Earle was what I had in college. In addition to various drafting instruction, it had information regarding design process and a number of very handy reference information (screw size, drill size, etc). +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |
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Ooooh ! Beware the CAD plague, it will stifle any instant , accidental
design 'eureka moment'. I use a few sketches and then into making a maquette. 3D mockups where you can see proportions and see a lot of problems before you cut the wood and clients can see and touch something tangible. Read 'Courage to Create' by Rollo May for the real programme. |
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On 21 Jan 2005 10:23:41 -0800, "
vaguely proposed a theory .......and in reply I say!: remove ns from my header address to reply via email When you say "designing" do you want accurate drawings of the things, or somethong that lets you see what it will look like, rendered with pretty colours etc? Purists actually argue that nobody really works off a 3d drawing except CNC stuff! G For most drawing I use DeltaCad. 2D only. But it's so easy and basic to use (and cheap at $49(?)) that it's as simple as paper, and more accurate. Try the demo. You can of course draw plans, pieces and views, but it does not do these for you. I have used it for Isometric and Perspective "3d" views, but these required basic drafting skills, and are not rotatable in 3-space or whatever. They are simply "artist's impressions". The beauty of the programme is that you can leave it for a week or two and simply sit down and draw again. To give you an idea, support sux, but I don't care! G I have just ordered DesignCad 3d for other uses, after using up the (too short) 15 day trial time. You can get this for around US$60, but it will be US$85 if you are overseas (rrrgh!) In that 15 days, of which I used maybe 8, or say 16 hours, I managed to get far enough that I did not hate the programme, which is the best I have done with 3d packages in most cases.It's 3d drafting. It is as simple (as in intuitive) and powerful a combination as any I have tried, and I have not used any package except DeltaCad 2d enough to become "hide bound". But immediately you get into 3d you get complexity. You have to. You can work in 2d mode, or in any of the "views". But once you jump to 3d it's a bit of a change of pace. It's magic to watch, but you need to be on your toes a bit. We shall see how I "sit down and draw" after I get the full programme. G The support forums by users and volunteer staff are excellent. I've been woodworking for about 10 years now and have built many projects using detailed plans. I've also done a few designs of my own. I'm realizing that I need to learn how to produce detailed drawings of my concepts to help avoid design mistakes midstream. Not to mention to have something to show my wife what I'm building. Right now I just have to describe it the best I can and then say "trust me, it will be nice." I looked into taking a drafting class at the local schools, but can't seem to find a non-CAD drafting class (I want to start on paper). I also found it difficult to find books on this subject as well. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to teach myself designing on paper? BTW, my drawing skills are somewhat lacking, so I need to start at the basics here. |
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That kind of thing is a lot less likely with modern software. When drawing
on paper, the dimensions are written in by hand. If the draftsman puts in the wrong dimension, it's wrong. The way I do it (and the way the engineering world is going) is to draw each part in 3D. Assemble everything into the finished product. If it all fits, disassemble and dimension the parts. Since the dimensions are given by measuring the parts rather than entering them manually, these types of mistakes are far less likely. 3D work takes more time learning (and the software certainly isn't cheap) than most hobbyists are willing to put into it but the results are great. To the OP. The idea of learning first on the board is a good one. There is no better way of getting the basic skills than with pencil and paper. It will be a great foundation for any further work. There is a local college here that teaches a drafting course. It is a ten month full time course. The first two months are entirely on the board. They then move on to CAD. So, it is not entirely dead but finding a teacher may be hard. "Old Nick" wrote in message ... Yeah. I remember starting out I had my faith on designs warped because spome stup[id WW magazine had made a chair with legs that were _drawn_ OK, but the dimension shown was too short. Being a newbie and "trying to do the right thing" and having no idea, I simply followed the plans. |
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