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236 is a bicycle chain tool.

238 is a can opener


Both of these are correct.

Number 241 is a watchmakers tool. Perhaps more properly, part of a
watchmakers tool. It is a hexagon anvil anvil. The small holes are
used to hold the shoulders of balance staffs while a stake with a hole
in it is used to rivet the staff to the wheel. The larger holes can
be used to riviet wheels to pinions in a similar manner.
The hole in the bottom suggests that this was part of or could be used
as part of) a "Staking tool". The stakes were guided plumbly over
the holes that cold be rotated under the guide.

You might want to check out this URL to see what the anvil alone and
the staking took look like.

http://shorinternational.com/JewelingStaking.htm


I forgot to ask, what are the slots for?

Number 241 is a watchmakers tool. Perhaps more properly, part of a
watchmakers tool. It is a hexagon anvil anvil. The small holes are
used to hold the shoulders of balance staffs while a stake with a hole
in it is used to rivet the staff to the wheel. The larger holes can
be used to riviet wheels to pinions in a similar manner.
The hole in the bottom suggests that this was part of or could be used
as part of) a "Staking tool". The stakes were guided plumbly over
the holes that cold be rotated under the guide.

You might want to check out this URL to see what the anvil alone and
the staking took look like.

http://shorinternational.com/JewelingStaking.htm


I forgot to ask, what are the slots for?

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#240 really funny pliers or spreaders of some kind...specific uses I
have no idea though.
#241 wire thickness guage



#240's a spreader for battery terminals (car battery).

Correct

#231 looks like something telephone related (dialer from a switchboard?)

Yes, it's telephone related but not from a switchboard

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#240 really funny pliers or spreaders of some kind...specific uses I
have no idea though.
#241 wire thickness guage



#240's a spreader for battery terminals (car battery).

Correct

#231 looks like something telephone related (dialer from a switchboard?)

Yes, it's telephone related but not from a switchboard

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So... is 239 a zoetrope or a zeotrope and what is it for?


I had to check, it's zoetrope, I think I've been pronouncing it wrong for
years. You put in strips of paper with drawings on it and then when you
spin it the drawings appear animated when viewed through the slots.

http://courses.ncssm.edu/gallery/col.../exhibit10.htm

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So... is 239 a zoetrope or a zeotrope and what is it for?


I had to check, it's zoetrope, I think I've been pronouncing it wrong for
years. You put in strips of paper with drawings on it and then when you
spin it the drawings appear animated when viewed through the slots.

http://courses.ncssm.edu/gallery/col.../exhibit10.htm

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Or maybe it's called a concrete saw. A diamond or carbide tipped thing
for making holes in concrete and similar stuff.

This one isn't any type of tool, it an old type of toy.

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Or maybe it's called a concrete saw. A diamond or carbide tipped thing
for making holes in concrete and similar stuff.

This one isn't any type of tool, it an old type of toy.

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239 cement drill

Nope, it's made of plastic.

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239 cement drill

Nope, it's made of plastic.

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:39:19 GMT, "R.H." wrote:

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Rob

The easy ones:

236 is a bicycle chain link removal and replacement tool.

238 is a basic can-opener, of a type often found in shops specialising
in outdoor stuff.

Cheers - Ian

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Rob

The easy ones:

236 is a bicycle chain link removal and replacement tool.

238 is a basic can-opener, of a type often found in shops specialising
in outdoor stuff.

Cheers - Ian

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The easy ones:

236 is a bicycle chain link removal and replacement tool.

238 is a basic can-opener, of a type often found in shops specialising
in outdoor stuff.

Both correct.

Geeze, my server blows today. Piggybacking.

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236. Bicycle chain destroyer tool.
237. Pimple squeezer.
238. Airplane hijacking device.
239. Cup holder adapter.
240. Nostril flaring tool.
241. Fastener from foreign car brake system--the *******s.

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So... is 239 a zoetrope or a zeotrope and what is it for?


I had to check, it's zoetrope, I think I've been pronouncing it
wrong for years. You put in strips of paper with drawings on it
and then when you spin it the drawings appear animated when viewed
through the slots.

http://courses.ncssm.edu/gallery/col...l/exhibit10.ht
m

A word (and device) I'm familiar with, but never checked the etymology
of. The OED reports its first use in 1867:

zoetrope [irreg. f. Gr. life + turning.]
A mechanical toy or optical instrument consisting of a cylinder open at
the top, with a series of slits in the circumference, and a series of
figures representing successive positions of a moving object arranged
along the inner surface, which when viewed through the slits while the
cylinder is in rapid rotation produce the impression of actual movement
of the object. Also called wheel of life.
1867 ‘Aunt Carrie’ Popular Pastimes for Field & Fireside 229 The
Zoetrope is a newly invented toy. It presents a series of striking
optical delusions. 1869 W. S. Gilbert ‘Bab’ Ball., Capt. Reece vi,
And, also, with amusement rife, A ‘Zoetrope, or Wheel of Life.’ 1881
Athenæum 29 Oct. 567/2 By a zoetrope these figures are projected on a
screen, and the clown exhibited as in motion, with all his changes of
position.

--
Bill Burns, Long Island, NY, USA

History of Technology Websites:
http://ftldesign.com

Bob? Is that you, you *******!!!!!!
PCB bound!!!

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236. Bicycle chain destroyer tool.
237. Pimple squeezer.
238. Airplane hijacking device.
239. Cup holder adapter.
240. Nostril flaring tool.
241. Fastener from foreign car brake system--the *******s.

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236) Some sort of tool for pressing a pin out or in? Perhaps for
roller drive chains?


Correct, it's for bike chains, I'm not familiar with roller drive chains.

I bike chain is only one example (and size) of roller drive
chain. Larger ones are used in motorcycles, and they are used in
various pieces of equipment elsewhere. I have a tiny one which was used
to transfer the rotation of a knob to the shaft of a switch somewhat
remotely located. A larger one is used in the Logan shaper to drive the
bull gear from the motor in the base.


237) A set of Starrett compound leverage end cutter pliers (Cutnippers).
Except that the replaceable blades don't look right. I suspect
that this has been modified to act as a crimper. These are
normally available with either tool steel blades or carbide
blades, and are normally used for cutting things like (hardened
spring) music wire.


Yes, someone from Starrett also suggested that they might have been
modified.

Very likely.

There are two sizes of these, and mine are the smaller ones (No
1-5-1/2"). This marking is right where the "S-Y" marking is on
your example.

It's hard to read, but for the record mine says "S-7".

O.K. The other size is a 7" one, so the part number may reflect
that. Looking in an old Starrett catalog, I see that the wire cutters
are "No. 1" (followed by some suffix), and the same plier bodies, but
with tile-cutting blades, bears a "235" part number.

Note that there is an adjustable stop screw in the center of the
spring (from the left-hand handle a shown), to adjust so the
blades *almost* but not quite touch after re-sharpening. (The
instruction slip packed with them suggests 0.001" clearance.)

[ ... ]

I hadn't noticed the stop screw, thanks for the info.

It helps that I have bought them new, and thus gotten the
instruction sheet which accompanies them.


238) K-ration can opener.

Correct.


239) Some form of lens hood? I can't see the small end, to tell
whether it is open, and threads into a lens. If so, the slots
may allow the large end to be stored reversed on a lens body.

The bottom of this one isn't open, it's not a lens hood.

I have now read what it is.


240) Pliers to expand the inside of something -- perhaps flexible
tubing prior to slipping onto a fitting?

Yes, it's for expanding something, but not for tubing.

And this.

Out of curiosity -- why do you keep accepting guesses after you
have posted the answers?

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Rob


#237: Connector crimping tool for coaxial cables. Hexagonal shape inside
the jaws is for the connector.


+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Now we'll just use some glue to hold things in place until the brads dry

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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236) Some sort of tool for pressing a pin out or in? Perhaps for
roller drive chains?



Correct, it's for bike chains, I'm not familiar with roller drive chains.



237) A set of Starrett compound leverage end cutter pliers (Cutnippers).
Except that the replaceable blades don't look right. I suspect
that this has been modified to act as a crimper. These are
normally avaialbe with either tool steel blades or carbide
blades, and are normally used for cutting things like (hardened
spring) music wire.



Yes, someone from Starrett also suggested that they might have been
modified.


There are two sizes of these, and mine are the smaller ones (No
1-5-1/2"). This marking is right where the "S-Y" marking is on
your example.


It's hard to read, but for the record mine says "S-7".


Note that there is an adjustable stop screw in the center of the
spring (from the left-hand handle a shown), to adjust so the
blades *almost* but not quite touch after re-sharpening. (The
instruction slip packed with them suggests 0.001" clearance.)

But these have no edges, which is why I suggest that they have
been modified to serve as some form of crimper.

O.K. I've just gone on down to the next image, and the end
shape supports my feeling. Note also, that the screw on the jaw
to the right is totally non-standard, while the one on the left
may well be original.


I hadn't noticed the stop screw, thanks for the info.



238) K-ration can opener.


Correct.


239) Some form of lens hood? I can't see the small end, to tell
whether it is open, and threads into a lens. If so, the slots
may allow the large end to be stored reversed on a lens body.


The bottom of this one isn't open, it's not a lens hood.



240) Pliers to expand the inside of something -- perhaps flexible
tubing prior to slipping onto a fitting?


Yes, it's for expanding something, but not for tubing.



241) Jeweler's bench block. I've never known what function the
slots along the near edge serve, but I suspect for holding a
gear for filing or other work?


Correct.



A bicycle chain is a roller chain.

237.

Adjustable-Jaw Cut Nippers

http://catalog.starrett.com/catalog/...sp?GroupID=465

RellikJM

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Rob


#237: Connector crimping tool for coaxial cables. Hexagonal shape inside
the jaws is for the connector.

I'll have to check into this...

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237.

Adjustable-Jaw Cut Nippers

http://catalog.starrett.com/catalog/...sp?GroupID=465

Yes, 237 looks just like the ones on that page except mine are crimpers not
cutters, maybe someone modified them.

Out of curiosity -- why do you keep accepting guesses after you
have posted the answers?


I assume that they haven't realized that the answers have been posted, so I
respond to their posts, figuring that they'll probably catch on soon to how
I run the site.

Here I go.

237 looks exactly like the tool we used way back there when I was a
typewriter repair guy. It was for machines with the keys that flew up
and hit a ribbon which transferred to the paper. You know, the kind
that jammed all the time and got the letters messed up from hitting
each other? It's a peener or a crimper depending on who you ask. It's
for adjusting the typefaces so they line up again after hard use. Pinch
the type bar in one place and the typeface moves up, pinch it someplace
else and it moves down. It was an art I didn't really get the hang of
till electronics took over. Probably used for other applications too.
The heads are adjustable and replaceable so you and peen different
thicknesses of metal in different configurations. Eventually the
letters just won't line up and you had to replace or resolder the
typeface.
Boy, that brought up a few years I haven't thought about for a while.

Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Jack wrote:

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Rob



How fitting that item 238 is a P-38 GI can opener



So named because it was supposed to take 38 punches to work its way
around the top of a standard K-ration can.

Jeff (Smoke 'em if youve got 'em...)

I think it was C-rations and not K-rations.

Philski

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Rob


#237: Connector crimping tool for coaxial cables. Hexagonal shape inside
the jaws is for the connector.

Absolutely not. This is a modified (by some unknown party)
Starrett adjustable jaw cut nipper. The original blades have been
replaced with something different which may be intended to serve as an
indenter in some form of crimper, but the aperture is *not* a hexagonal
crimp dies.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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(snip)
typewriter repair guy. It was for machines with the keys that flew up
and hit a ribbon which transferred to the paper. You know, the kind
that jammed all the time and got the letters messed up from hitting
each other?

Typewriter? What is this "writer of types" you speak of? Keys flying up?
Ribbon?

Boy, that brought up a few years I haven't thought about for a while.

You and me both. 8-)

C.
Who still has his trusty Manual Olympia close at hand, because, well,
You Never Know...

I happen to own one of the original version of a Royal portable with its
case. And I even remember when they were the new thing......
And that thing got used a couple of months ago..... Try to make your word
processor fit some these little bitty pre-printed forms and they tell you to
print or type. Hxxx!

--

George H Hughes
Warner Robins, GA


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(snip)
typewriter repair guy. It was for machines with the keys that flew up
and hit a ribbon which transferred to the paper. You know, the kind
that jammed all the time and got the letters messed up from hitting
each other?

Typewriter? What is this "writer of types" you speak of? Keys flying up?
Ribbon?

Boy, that brought up a few years I haven't thought about for a while.

You and me both. 8-)

C.
Who still has his trusty Manual Olympia close at hand, because, well,
You Never Know...

#238 is actually called a P38. It is a can opener that came about WWII and
the Korean War for opening those infamous rations. They even ended up being
given out along with some canned good in the stores at one time......
I may even still have one or two around here some place....

--

George H Hughes
Warner Robins, GA



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How fitting that item 238 is a P-38 GI can opener



So named because it was supposed to take 38 punches to work its way
around the top of a standard K-ration can.

Jeff (Smoke 'em if youve got 'em...)

I think it was C-rations and not K-rations.

Philski

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:25:20 -0500, "George H Hughes"
wrote:

#238 is actually called a P38. It is a can opener that came about WWII and
the Korean War for opening those infamous rations. They even ended up being
given out along with some canned good in the stores at one time......
I may even still have one or two around here some place....

You mean you dont keep one on your keychain?

Sigh..no pocket knife or cigarette lighter either I suppose...

Gunner

"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better,
on average, than the citizens of Baltimore.
True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee,
but why this is more stylish than
sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know."
-- P.J O'Rourke (1989)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I did a search on "peener" and couldn't find anything. My final answer on
this one is going to be "Starrett adjustable jaw cut nipper that has been
modified into a crimper", unless I hear some evidence that indicates
otherwise.


"s2s" wrote in message
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Here I go.

237 looks exactly like the tool we used way back there when I was a
typewriter repair guy. It was for machines with the keys that flew up
and hit a ribbon which transferred to the paper. You know, the kind
that jammed all the time and got the letters messed up from hitting
each other? It's a peener or a crimper depending on who you ask. It's
for adjusting the typefaces so they line up again after hard use. Pinch
the type bar in one place and the typeface moves up, pinch it someplace
else and it moves down. It was an art I didn't really get the hang of
till electronics took over. Probably used for other applications too.
The heads are adjustable and replaceable so you and peen different
thicknesses of metal in different configurations. Eventually the
letters just won't line up and you had to replace or resolder the
typeface.
Boy, that brought up a few years I haven't thought about for a while.

Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:25:20 -0500, "George H Hughes"
wrote:


#238 is actually called a P38. It is a can opener that came about WWII and
the Korean War for opening those infamous rations. They even ended up being
given out along with some canned good in the stores at one time......
I may even still have one or two around here some place....


You mean you dont keep one on your keychain?

Yep, I do....

http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/jeff/KEYS.jpg

Right in between a .45ACP cartridge and the wooden fob, which before it
got so worn, could easily be seen to read "WTF". SWMBO and I have a
matching pair of those which we got a guy at a crafts fair to make for
us on the spot about 15 years ago. I remember telling the carver we
wanted to remember my dead uncle Willam Thomas Feinbaum. If you look
close you'll see where I epoxied in a brass bushing when the hole in the
wood got worn dangerously large.

Needless to say all my keys save one for the car stay behind when taking
a commercial flight or entering a court building.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

Hee Hee Hee no not anymore, remember those days though.
George

"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:25:20 -0500, "George H Hughes"
wrote:

#238 is actually called a P38. It is a can opener that came about WWII
and
the Korean War for opening those infamous rations. They even ended up
being
given out along with some canned good in the stores at one time......
I may even still have one or two around here some place....

You mean you dont keep one on your keychain?

Sigh..no pocket knife or cigarette lighter either I suppose...

Gunner

"The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any
better,
on average, than the citizens of Baltimore.
True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee,
but why this is more stylish than
sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don't know."
-- P.J O'Rourke (1989)
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------

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R.H. wrote:

"s2s" wrote in message
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Here I go.

237 looks exactly like the tool we used way back there when I was a
typewriter repair guy. It was for machines with the keys that flew up
and hit a ribbon which transferred to the paper. You know, the kind
that jammed all the time and got the letters messed up from hitting
each other? It's a peener or a crimper depending on who you ask. It's
for adjusting the typefaces so they line up again after hard use. Pinch
the type bar in one place and the typeface moves up, pinch it someplace
else and it moves down. It was an art I didn't really get the hang of
till electronics took over. Probably used for other applications too.
The heads are adjustable and replaceable so you and peen different
thicknesses of metal in different configurations. Eventually the
letters just won't line up and you had to replace or resolder the
typeface.

[ ... ]

I did a search on "peener" and couldn't find anything. My final answer on
this one is going to be "Starrett adjustable jaw cut nipper that has been
modified into a crimper", unless I hear some evidence that indicates
otherwise.

I know of the practice, though I have never seen the tools
designed for the task -- but this sounds like an excellent explanation
of what you have. There were not enough of them made to justify making
them from scratch, and the compound leverage of the Starrett cut nipper,
plus the ratchet jaw mounting would work very well for the task.

Like many specialized toolkits, different people have different
names for the same tool, so this may be a term for it which is not
widely distributed.

One thing which would confirm this would be if the jaws are more
domed in both dimensions. They are obviously so in one dimension, but I
don't think that the other shot (which shows from the proper direction,
but shows the whole tool) has enough detail available.

If nothing else, it at least could be a cut nipper modified by
an individual to serve that function.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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One thing which would confirm this would be if the jaws are more
domed in both dimensions. They are obviously so in one dimension, but I
don't think that the other shot (which shows from the proper direction,
but shows the whole tool) has enough detail available.

They're just domed in the one dimension.


If nothing else, it at least could be a cut nipper modified by
an individual to serve that function.

I've got a couple more things that I pulled from the same tool box that I'll
be posting shortly, if anyone recognizes them maybe it will help ID this
one.

I'm thinking about getting one of the two antique tool pricing guides and
was wondering if anyone has seen them and has a preference one way or the
other.

There is one by Barlow:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846


And one by Kean:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...e&s=books&st=*


I'm looking for info concerning if one of them has more photos, better
descriptions, wider variety of entries, etc.


Rob

Forget the guides. They're out of date before they are published. Run
price histories on Ebay.

--
Ross
www.myoldtools.com
"R.H." wrote in message
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I'm thinking about getting one of the two antique tool pricing guides and
was wondering if anyone has seen them and has a preference one way or the
other.

There is one by Barlow:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846


And one by Kean:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...e&s=books&st=*


I'm looking for info concerning if one of them has more photos, better
descriptions, wider variety of entries, etc.


Rob

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:21:50 -0600, "My Old Tools"
wrote:

Forget the guides. They're out of date before they are published. Run
price histories on Ebay.

They do have some value in pointing out that the left-handed whiffle
scraper was particularly rare, in comparison to the right-handed
version. Very often you don't need an absolute price estimate (and
many damned fools take these books as gospel), you just need the hint
as to which is the one worth bothering over.

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Forget the guides. They're out of date before they are published. Run
price histories on Ebay.

If I got one it would probably be more for general reference than for
pricing, I already have five different books on tools so I'm not sure it
would be worth my money getting one for this purpose. I'd sure like to see
one before I bought it.