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Psychology of a woodworker
What drives the common woodworker? A deeply suppressed desire to please
the long deceased father who never gave him love as a child? The need to be seen as an alpha male by everyone else around him? The insecurities of being a non-intellectual blue-collar common man with calluses on his hands and feet? Why do hobbyist woodworkers feel the need to own the same caliber tools as the professionals? Is there really anything wrong with Craftsman or Black and Decker products? Probably not. Insecurity motivates too many woodworkers to waste hard earned cash on tools they have absolutely no use for. Why do they feel such a need to show off, when nobody really cares what they own? .... when nobody really cares about their projects? .... when anyone could go out and buy the same desk, futon, or humidor for half of what is costs to build one? Insecurity! |
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On 24 Oct 2004 03:24:59 -0700, "Man In The Doorway"
wrote: What drives the common woodworker? A sordid and shameful fetish for wearing checked shirts. The insecurities of being a non-intellectual blue-collar common man with calluses on his hands and feet? Don't miss out my knuckle callouses ! I spent years dragging them on the ground to get those. My local dealer in fine woodworking tools is (deliberately) sandwiched between two hospitals and the street of the violin restorers. The owner was a doctor, a great many of the clients are surgeons. Look at any group of really top-end amateur cabinetmakers and you'll find at least one surgeon in there. -- Smert' spamionam |
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On 24 Oct 2004 03:24:59 -0700, "Man In The Doorway"
wrote: What drives the common woodworker? What drives a troll? Insecurity! Probably. Barry |
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Amen. Didn't Dostoyevsky write that
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What drives the common woodworker? What drives a troll? Insecurity! Probably. Barry Rightious. Alex |
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That has got to be a difficult read! It is challenging enough trying
to understand co-planar from an English writer. Let Dostoyevsky start discussing dovetails and mortises on the 237th page which is what you wanted to know about and ... (BUB 209) wrote: Amen. Didn't Dostoyevsky write that novel, The Brothers Sawdustamazov? |
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Ba r r y wrote: On 24 Oct 2004 03:24:59 -0700, "Man In The Doorway" wrote: What drives the common woodworker? What drives a troll? I wouldn't know. By all means, please tell us. |
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Jim Behning wrote:
That has got to be a difficult read! It must be especially difficult reading for the typical woodworker. I don't say that to be nasty. Woodworkers are skilled craftsmen, in a primitive sort of way, but most of the ones I encounter have unusually poor reading comprehension skills. |
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bub209 writes:
Amen. Didn't Dostoyevsky write that novel, The Brothers Sawdustamazov? Durn. All these years, I thought that was The Brothers Karamatzoballs. Didja ever notice that most sane colleges and universities only offer a single course on the Russion novelists in English? Charlie Self "When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary." Thomas Paine |
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Gee that must be why I only had to build a hundred feet of bookshelves for
the books I want to keep and reread. "Man In The Doorway" wrote in message oups.com... Jim Behning wrote: That has got to be a difficult read! It must be especially difficult reading for the typical woodworker. I don't say that to be nasty. Woodworkers are skilled craftsmen, in a primitive sort of way, but most of the ones I encounter have unusually poor reading comprehension skills. |
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What drives the intellectual analyst? An attempt to find the answer to his
own flaws by attempting to identify similar traits in others? Could it be that the absence of his own paternal relationship doesn't allow him to possess the ability to correctly characterize those relationships shared by others? The insecurities of being devoid of all emotion and experience? The realization that intellect doesn't allow for an explanation to that empty void in one's soul? Why does the white-collar intellect feel so threatened by the so-called blue-collar common man? The realization that the dependency is one way? If we removed one or the other from the face of this earth who'd have a better chance of survival? Insecurity motivates the intellect to attempt to point out a level of significance for his own life. A level he lacks the ability to earn. A level that only exists in his own deeply rooted desire to measure up to the standards set by a paternal relationship that never existed. Why is it this same boy will never matured into a self sufficient man? A lack of understanding the feeling one gets from seeing the product of one's imagination becoming a reality through application of skill, perseverance and effort? The lack of ability to achieve anything of significance? Whether a hobbyist, craftsman or professional..... woodworkers possess one common trait. The ability to attempt without the crippling fear of failure. |
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"Man In The Doorway" What drives the common woodworker? A deeply suppressed desire to please the long deceased father who never gave him love as a child? The need to be seen as an alpha male by everyone else around him? The insecurities of being a non-intellectual blue-collar common man with calluses on his hands and feet? Why do hobbyist woodworkers feel the need to own the same caliber tools as the professionals? Is there really anything wrong with Craftsman or Black and Decker products? Probably not. Insecurity motivates too many woodworkers to waste hard earned cash on tools they have absolutely no use for. Why do they feel such a need to show off, when nobody really cares what they own? .... when nobody really cares about their projects? .... when anyone could go out and buy the same desk, futon, or humidor for half of what is costs to build one? Insecurity! What a load of crap. Tripe indeed. Personally I feel perfectly secure and I LOVE the beauty of classical woodworking and the classical results. What the hell is your problem??? Because, to quote my ever lovin' Mother: "you're lookin' in a mirror" Alex |
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Geez, and I thought I just liked to play with power tools and make sawdust.
jim "mel" wrote in message . .. What drives the intellectual analyst? An attempt to find the answer to his own flaws by attempting to identify similar traits in others? Could it be that the absence of his own paternal relationship doesn't allow him to possess the ability to correctly characterize those relationships shared by others? The insecurities of being devoid of all emotion and experience? The realization that intellect doesn't allow for an explanation to that empty void in one's soul? Why does the white-collar intellect feel so threatened by the so-called blue-collar common man? The realization that the dependency is one way? If we removed one or the other from the face of this earth who'd have a better chance of survival? Insecurity motivates the intellect to attempt to point out a level of significance for his own life. A level he lacks the ability to earn. A level that only exists in his own deeply rooted desire to measure up to the standards set by a paternal relationship that never existed. Why is it this same boy will never matured into a self sufficient man? A lack of understanding the feeling one gets from seeing the product of one's imagination becoming a reality through application of skill, perseverance and effort? The lack of ability to achieve anything of significance? Whether a hobbyist, craftsman or professional..... woodworkers possess one common trait. The ability to attempt without the crippling fear of failure. |
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"Man In The Doorway" What drives the common woodworker? I drives a Buick. A deeply suppressed desire to please the long deceased father who never gave him love as a child? Nah, he was an acoholic and became a real PITA so we left him. The need to be seen as an alpha male by everyone else around him? Everyone would be my wife. Kids are on their own. Neighbors don't give a crap. The insecurities of being a non-intellectual blue-collar common man with calluses on his hands and feet? I'm in management but I do have a callus on my foot. I make it a point to walk around the plant a couple of times a day so I don't get them on my ass from the comfy chair in my office. Why do hobbyist woodworkers feel the need to own the same caliber tools as the professionals? Is there really anything wrong with Craftsman or Black and Decker products? Probably not. I've owned both. Evidently you haven't yet or you'd know the answer. Insecurity motivates too many woodworkers to waste hard earned cash on tools they have absolutely no use for. Every tool I own has been used At least once anyway. Why do they feel such a need to show off, when nobody really cares what they own? .... when nobody really cares about their projects? .... That's how we get wood  when anyone could go out and buy the same desk, futon, or humidor for half of what is costs to build one? Insecurity! Half? Maybe even a quarter. It isn't about money. IMO, it is more about security that insecurity. If you don' thave confidence in your abilities you won't ever start a project, let alone finish one that looks far superior that the generl cheap furniture foisted off ont he public today. Hope yo had fun, but you should keep reading about physology as yo haven't quite mastered it yet. Try night school and take a class. |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Man In The Doorway" What drives the common woodworker? [snip] I've skipped most of this silly thread but -what the heck- it's the ability to work with our hands and by extension - tools. That ability must (?) be inborn with some kind of drive to use that ability. Look at the number of people who sail when motor powered boats would probably be cheaper and even safer. Garden when they could probably buy flowers and veggies for less money. Josie |
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Man. Given the extremely small chance that this guy is a woodworker, he
needs to call the suicide hotline! Or.......maybe this is just some woodworker's wife. |
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Me like hit board with rock.
In article , mel wrote: What drives the intellectual analyst? An attempt to find the answer to his own flaws by attempting to identify similar traits in others? Could it be that the absence of his own paternal relationship doesn't allow him to possess the ability to correctly characterize those relationships shared by others? The insecurities of being devoid of all emotion and experience? The realization that intellect doesn't allow for an explanation to that empty void in one's soul? Why does the white-collar intellect feel so threatened by the so-called blue-collar common man? The realization that the dependency is one way? If we removed one or the other from the face of this earth who'd have a better chance of survival? Insecurity motivates the intellect to attempt to point out a level of significance for his own life. A level he lacks the ability to earn. A level that only exists in his own deeply rooted desire to measure up to the standards set by a paternal relationship that never existed. Why is it this same boy will never matured into a self sufficient man? A lack of understanding the feeling one gets from seeing the product of one's imagination becoming a reality through application of skill, perseverance and effort? The lack of ability to achieve anything of significance? Whether a hobbyist, craftsman or professional..... woodworkers possess one common trait. The ability to attempt without the crippling fear of failure. |
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On 24 Oct 2004 03:24:59 -0700, "Man In The Doorway"
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I suspect that some need the designer label of power tools to add to their
Testicular Circumferance - that Antlers of Manhood. But some of us paid attention in Mr Williams 7th grade shop class and enjoy the uniqueness and savings that can be had with all those little things we do. |
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I see the troll "Man In The Doorway" aka "Dump In The Doorway" is
back from a several year hiatus. You should have stayed away. I'll respond anyway. On 24 Oct 2004 03:24:59 -0700, "Man In The Doorway" wrote: What drives the common woodworker? A deeply suppressed desire to please the long deceased father who never gave him love as a child? The need to be seen as an alpha male by everyone else around him? The insecurities of being a non-intellectual blue-collar common man with calluses on his hands and feet? None of that. I think we just like to make things. Why do hobbyist woodworkers feel the need to own the same caliber tools as the professionals? Is there really anything wrong with Craftsman or Black and Decker products? Probably not. Insecurity motivates too many woodworkers to waste hard earned cash on tools they have absolutely no use for. When I buy tools I expect them to work well, for as long as I care to own them. B&D and Craftsman usually don't fit those requirements. I've had several Craftsman power tools go up in smoke during use. Why do they feel such a need to show off, when nobody really cares what they own? .... when nobody really cares about their projects? .... when anyone could go out and buy the same desk, futon, or humidor for half of what is costs to build one? Who cares what others think? I build for my satisfaction. And to have things that fit my particular need/use or are simply not built commercially because a market for such a thing is too small for any manufacturer to build one. |
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In article , mel
wrote: What drives the intellectual analyst? An attempt to find the answer to his own flaws by attempting to identify similar traits in others? Could it be that the absence of his own paternal relationship doesn't allow him to possess the ability to correctly characterize those relationships shared by others? The insecurities of being devoid of all emotion and experience? The realization that intellect doesn't allow for an explanation to that empty void in one's soul? Why does the white-collar intellect feel so threatened by the so-called blue-collar common man? The realization that the dependency is one way? If we removed one or the other from the face of this earth who'd have a better chance of survival? Insecurity motivates the intellect to attempt to point out a level of significance for his own life. A level he lacks the ability to earn. A level that only exists in his own deeply rooted desire to measure up to the standards set by a paternal relationship that never existed. Why is it this same boy will never matured into a self sufficient man? A lack of understanding the feeling one gets from seeing the product of one's imagination becoming a reality through application of skill, perseverance and effort? The lack of ability to achieve anything of significance? Whether a hobbyist, craftsman or professional..... woodworkers possess one common trait. The ability to attempt without the crippling fear of failure. I saw this before I think. This is John Kerry's debate answer (never used) to the question: "Would you continue to support PBS's New Yankee Workshop if elected?" (apologies in advance to all) Lou |
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Why do hobbyist woodworkers feel the need to own the same caliber tools
as the professionals? Is there really anything wrong with Craftsman or Black and Decker products? Probably not. Insecurity motivates too many woodworkers to waste hard earned cash on tools they have absolutely no use for. Why do they feel such a need to show off, when nobody really cares what they own? .... when nobody really cares about their projects? .... when anyone could go out and buy the same desk, futon, or humidor for half of what is costs to build one? I've owned enough Black and Decker power tools to never buy another one. They don't last, even under hobby use. (I won't buy any more Craftsman power tools, either, because they always seem to have non-standard sized accessories.) I'm going to try it the other way for awhile and see how it goes. So far my Porter Cable and DeWalt tools are doing the job, but it's too early to pass judgement on them. I think it's ignorance, not insecurity that drives me to buy tools I don't have a use for. I start out thinking I'll use them, find out that they don't do the job I'd hope they'd do, and then they languish. As for the projects, I make what I can't buy (i.e. custom jobs), or can't afford to buy. Even after paying for the tools and wood, for large scale items it's definitely cheaper to make than to buy (factoring out the time cost, of course). What I make fits, and I can service it myself if it needs fixing or changing. - Owen - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 10/8/2004 |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
My local dealer in fine woodworking tools is (deliberately) sandwiched between two hospitals and the street of the violin restorers. The owner was a doctor, a great many of the clients are surgeons. Look at any group of really top-end amateur cabinetmakers and you'll find at least one surgeon in there. One of the surgeons who did my latest hip replacement is a top amateur. When I first went to his office they parked me in a small conference room for a while. Room contained a really well constructed conference table which looked custom built. By the time he showed up I was on my hands an knees under the table looking at the joinery. He joined me to point out some of the problems he'd had and how he'd solved them. Right then I knew I had the right guy to do the hip. LD |
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I am a common woodworker. Come from a long line of them. You, on the other hand are not even a decent hobbyist woodworker. If you were, you'd understand what drives us very well. I had no problems with the father. Always love in daddy's hands. If I'm viewed as the alpha male by those around me it's simply because the quality and creativity of my work warrants that respect. That, and the desire to foster other woodworkers skills without downgrading their work. As far as being "non-intellectual blue collar common man" I think you better watch your mouth. Just because a man doesn't wear a suit and tie to work does not mean that he is non- intellectual. I gobble up books, magazines and other sources of information constantly. Although I cannot quote "great literary novels" or solve physic equations, I have no desire to. I instead chose to utilize what talents God has given me. I read about and learn what I know is valuable in my life, I have no time to waste on what I deem as useless information. Calluses on my hands are part of who I am, not something to show off to my friends. As far as being "insecure" I think YOU don't have a clue whatsoever. I am a professional carpenter and avid woodworker who makes a modest living and am quite happy with it. The only thing that would make me insecure in life is knowing that I have to rely on so many others to exist. If the world took a change for the worst today and money became worthless, I know I can survive with my skills and what I have here on my land. Moreover, my whole life's work cannot be summed up into a couple of files on a hard drive somewhere. What these calloused hands create will outlive me for generations. Whether I choose a Craftsman or Powermatic tool is irrevalent, as it is for any real woodworker. The proof is what the craftsman can do with that tool, how it complements his/her talents. Buying the most expensive tools -at least in your case- would be to show off how much money you have and not to complement your talents as a craftsman, as I suspect you really have none. If you have to question why someone would ever build their own furniture or etc, instead of buying it, you obviously have never tried creating anything you were proud of and enjoyed making. Or maybe you did try....Maybe you thought you could make anything better than that "non-intellectual blue-collar common man " if you bought the best tools money can buy, and found out he could kick your ass with less expensive tools. Maybe you lack imagination. Maybe you lack common sense. Maybe you are the insecure non intellectual factor here. "Man In The Doorway" wrote in message oups.com... What drives the common woodworker? A deeply suppressed desire to please the long deceased father who never gave him love as a child? The need to be seen as an alpha male by everyone else around him? The insecurities of being a non-intellectual blue-collar common man with calluses on his hands and feet? Why do hobbyist woodworkers feel the need to own the same caliber tools as the professionals? Is there really anything wrong with Craftsman or Black and Decker products? Probably not. Insecurity motivates too many woodworkers to waste hard earned cash on tools they have absolutely no use for. Why do they feel such a need to show off, when nobody really cares what they own? .... when nobody really cares about their projects? .... when anyone could go out and buy the same desk, futon, or humidor for half of what is costs to build one? Insecurity! |
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"Man In The Doorway" wrote in message oups.com... What drives the common woodworker? A deeply suppressed desire to please the long deceased father who never gave him love as a child? The need to be seen as an alpha male by everyone else around him? The insecurities of being a non-intellectual blue-collar common man with calluses on his hands and feet? If you were a wood worker you would not have to post this question. Why do hobbyist woodworkers feel the need to own the same caliber tools as the professionals? Is there really anything wrong with Craftsman or Black and Decker products? Probably not. Insecurity motivates too many woodworkers to waste hard earned cash on tools they have absolutely no use for. Why do they feel such a need to show off, when nobody really cares what they own? .... when nobody really cares about their projects? .... when anyone could go out and buy the same desk, futon, or humidor for half of what is costs to build one? Insecurity! What drives a Dill Weed to post abrasive posts like yours? Insecurity. |
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"Man In The Doorway" wrote in message oups.com... but most of the ones I encounter have unusually poor reading comprehension skills. Birds of a feather flock together..... |
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What drives a troll? My 1963 Evinrude 3 HP 'Fastwin' |
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:32:03 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote: Me like hit board with rock. Dave - you owe me for a new bottle of screen cleaner! Beautiful Priceless Love it!!! Tom Veatch Wichita, KS USA |
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:44:28 -0400, (J T)
wrote: JOAT Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. www.wickedweasel.com |
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:09:56 GMT, Lazarus Long
wrote: On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:44:28 -0400, (J T) wrote: JOAT Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. www.wickedweasel.com you're incorrigible.... that took up an hour of my afternoon.... |
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In article , Tom Veatch
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"Man In The Doorway" wrote in message roups.com...
What drives the common woodworker? A desire to create something tangible. Why do some people learn to paint, or to draw, to play the piano, or to cook? It's the same thing. A deeply suppressed desire to please the long deceased father who never gave him love as a child? The need to be seen as an alpha male by everyone else around him? The insecurities of being a non-intellectual blue-collar common man with calluses on his hands and feet? (grunt grunt) Why do hobbyist woodworkers feel the need to own the same caliber tools as the professionals? Is there really anything wrong with Craftsman or Black and Decker products? Probably not. Insecurity motivates too many The thing wrong with most Craftsman and B&D tools is that they aren't very much cheaper than real tools, they are less effective, and they break a lot sooner. woodworkers to waste hard earned cash on tools they have absolutely no use for. Why do they feel such a need to show off, when nobody really cares what they own? .... when nobody really cares about their projects? .... when anyone could go out and buy the same desk, futon, or humidor for half of what is costs to build one? Well, most of us don't get into woodworking because we aspire to build some butt-jointed, screwed together, MDF desk covered with cheap plastic laminate. Insecurity! Good troll. |
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I don't believe ya'll are responding to someone who hasn't a clue of what
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Man In The Doorway wrote:
What drives the common woodworker? A deeply suppressed desire to please the long deceased father who never gave him love as a child? The need to be seen as an alpha male by everyone else around him? The insecurities of being a non-intellectual blue-collar common man with calluses on his hands and feet? An intellectually conceited troll person who probably won't be able to learn anything from even the clearest responses (I'm inclined to agree with Sidney Lanier's observation that "Swinehood hath no remedy," but will suggest: A desire to have or give something more beautiful and/or more functional (or both) than would otherwise be possible. A desire to create - to convert a personal vision into reality; and by so doing to enrich one's own life and the lives of all others touched by that reality. Why do hobbyist woodworkers feel the need to own the same caliber tools as the professionals? Is there really anything wrong with Craftsman or Black and Decker products? Probably not. Insecurity motivates too many woodworkers to waste hard earned cash on tools they have absolutely no use for. Why do they feel such a need to show off, when nobody really cares what they own? .... when nobody really cares about their projects? .... when anyone could go out and buy the same desk, futon, or humidor for half of what is costs to build one? For the same reason that you don't own a Yugo. As with other products, experienced users recognize a spectrum of quality; and discover that higher quality products deliver the greatest amount of satisfaction. You may not care what other people do - but your caring isn't particularly important. My SO is particularly pleased with her new light table (that masquerades as a living room end table when not in use) which allows her to trace her drawings onto fabric for quilting. Where would you buy such a thing (at /any/ price)? Next time you're out shopping, take a gander at your options for heating systems and let me know what kind of prices you find on furnaces that come with a lifetime supply of free fuel. I doubt you'll find one for less than what it costs me to build one in my shop. Insecurity! Sorry to hear that - you might build self-confidence and become more secure if you spent a bit of your leisure time creating a few useful and beautiful objects in your own workshop. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto, Iowa USA |
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:09:56 GMT, Lazarus Long
calmly ranted: On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:44:28 -0400, (J T) wrote: JOAT Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. www.wickedweasel.com There went MY entire afternoon. Thanks a lot, Laz. -- "Excess regulation and government spending destroy jobs and increase unemployment. Every regulator we fire results in the creation of over 150 new jobs, enough to hire the ex-regulator, the unemployed, and the able-bodied poor." -Michael Badnarik VOTE LIBERTARIAN ON NOVEMBER 2, 2004 OR YOU WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING. |
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