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lazy susans
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We have a pantry in our kitches that's basically a closet. Way too deep for the small items we keep in it. I'd like to put a lazy susan in it so that we can get to the stuff at the back. But it'll need to be quite large. I'd like it to be floor to top of door (over 6 feet) tall and about 32 inches wide. I'd also like at least 6 shelves. So far I can't find any suitable lazy susan hardware. The most common kind, such as used in the corner of base cabinets isn't suitable since the shelves move together. The mass of what I've described above would be too much. Closer is the 5-shelf pantry lazy susan from Rev-A-Shelf. http://www.rev-a-shelf.com/graphics/6265.jpg Unfortunately, even it isn't large enough (only 22 inches wide and 5 shelves). I say it's closer partly because it seems to have a center pole mechanism where the shelves rotate around the fixed pole. So the shelves only move one at a time. In my mind's eye picture, I see the same sort of hardware as on the Rev-A-Shelf that fixes the shelf to a pole. But with shelves made of d-shaped cut plywood for extra strength to hold the soup cans and a thin lip attached around the edge of the shelves to hold things from falling off. Anyone know where I might find hardware like this? I've looked at Lee Valley and several others. Or would anyone have a better mind's eye picture to suggest? Thanks! Steve |
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"Steve Schefter" wrote in message om... Hi. We have a pantry in our kitches that's basically a closet. Way too deep for the small items we keep in it. I'd like to put a lazy susan in it so that we can get to the stuff at the back. But it'll need to be quite large. I'd like it to be floor to top of door (over 6 feet) tall and about 32 inches wide. I'd also like at least 6 shelves. So far I can't find any suitable lazy susan hardware. The most common kind, such as used in the corner of base cabinets isn't suitable since the shelves move together. The mass of what I've described above would be too much. Closer is the 5-shelf pantry lazy susan from Rev-A-Shelf. http://www.rev-a-shelf.com/graphics/6265.jpg Unfortunately, even it isn't large enough (only 22 inches wide and 5 shelves). I say it's closer partly because it seems to have a center pole mechanism where the shelves rotate around the fixed pole. So the shelves only move one at a time. In my mind's eye picture, I see the same sort of hardware as on the Rev-A-Shelf that fixes the shelf to a pole. But with shelves made of d-shaped cut plywood for extra strength to hold the soup cans and a thin lip attached around the edge of the shelves to hold things from falling off. Anyone know where I might find hardware like this? I've looked at Lee Valley and several others. Or would anyone have a better mind's eye picture to suggest? Thanks! Steve lazy susans lose a lot of area in the corners. how about pullout pantry shelving units? http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product...&filter=pantry |
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"Steve Schefter" wrote in message
om... Hi. We have a pantry in our kitches that's basically a closet. Way too deep for the small items we keep in it. I'd like to put a lazy susan in it so that we can get to the stuff at the back. But it'll need to be quite large. I'd like it to be floor to top of door (over 6 feet) tall and about 32 inches wide. I'd also like at least 6 shelves. So far I can't find any suitable lazy susan hardware. The most common kind, such as used in the corner of base cabinets isn't suitable since the shelves move together. The mass of what I've described above would be too much. Closer is the 5-shelf pantry lazy susan from Rev-A-Shelf. http://www.rev-a-shelf.com/graphics/6265.jpg Unfortunately, even it isn't large enough (only 22 inches wide and 5 shelves). I say it's closer partly because it seems to have a center pole mechanism where the shelves rotate around the fixed pole. So the shelves only move one at a time. In my mind's eye picture, I see the same sort of hardware as on the Rev-A-Shelf that fixes the shelf to a pole. But with shelves made of d-shaped cut plywood for extra strength to hold the soup cans and a thin lip attached around the edge of the shelves to hold things from falling off. Anyone know where I might find hardware like this? I've looked at Lee Valley and several others. Or would anyone have a better mind's eye picture to suggest? Thanks! Steve Check out www.woodworkershardware.com. I'm looking at their catalog and they show an Amerock full round with a (how's this for luck?) 32" diameter shelf. It says the height is adjustable between about 23" and 31". Maybe you could connect two or three together? Or put in a couple of fixed shelves to separate the different lazy susans? todd |
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How about rolling your own?
More work, but infinitely flexible. Use an inner pipe for the pole and a larger outer pipe for the shelf spacers/supports. The biggest challenge would be securing your shelves to the pipe supports. I suppose you could even use a square post and bore a hole down the center for your shelf supports. These would be easier to mount to your shelves, but might bind/wobble with wear. "Steve Schefter" wrote in message om... Hi. We have a pantry in our kitches that's basically a closet. Way too deep for the small items we keep in it. I'd like to put a lazy susan in it so that we can get to the stuff at the back. But it'll need to be quite large. I'd like it to be floor to top of door (over 6 feet) tall and about 32 inches wide. I'd also like at least 6 shelves. So far I can't find any suitable lazy susan hardware. The most common kind, such as used in the corner of base cabinets isn't suitable since the shelves move together. The mass of what I've described above would be too much. Closer is the 5-shelf pantry lazy susan from Rev-A-Shelf. http://www.rev-a-shelf.com/graphics/6265.jpg Unfortunately, even it isn't large enough (only 22 inches wide and 5 shelves). I say it's closer partly because it seems to have a center pole mechanism where the shelves rotate around the fixed pole. So the shelves only move one at a time. In my mind's eye picture, I see the same sort of hardware as on the Rev-A-Shelf that fixes the shelf to a pole. But with shelves made of d-shaped cut plywood for extra strength to hold the soup cans and a thin lip attached around the edge of the shelves to hold things from falling off. Anyone know where I might find hardware like this? I've looked at Lee Valley and several others. Or would anyone have a better mind's eye picture to suggest? Thanks! Steve |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:52:37 -0400, "Bill Stock" wrote:
How about rolling your own? More work, but infinitely flexible. Use an inner pipe for the pole and a larger outer pipe for the shelf spacers/supports. The biggest challenge would be securing your shelves to the pipe supports. I suppose you could even use a square post and bore a hole down the center for your shelf supports. These would be easier to mount to your shelves, but might bind/wobble with wear. I think that DIY approach makes some sense. Please excuse this attempt at "refinement": Use short lengths of threaded steel pipe -- nipples. Maybe 12" or whatever. The threaded connectors will serve as stops. Drill appropriate sized holes (OD of pipe) in each round shelf. And, to aid in the easy movement of each shelf, use UHMWPE -- I can never get the letters right. It is that rather slippery stuff sold as anti-friction tape -- but get it in maybe 1/4" - 1/2" thickness. Drill matching sized holes in maybe a 4"x4" piece and screw that piece into the bottom of each shelf -- so, you get easy spinning because the plastic's surface is sitting/riding on the threaded pipe connector. Certainly shelf thickness will have to sized for weight of what will be stored on it. Both so it won'd droop and it won't crack at the center hole. In case you think that the ongoing rubbing of the pipe against the wood (inside the hole in the wood) might be a problem (squeaks?), you could oversize the hole through the shelf and screw plastic squares both above and below the shelf with a perfect-sized hole for the pipe OD. That way, only the plastic will be in contact with the pipe. BTW, if you have never worked with this plastic: Rather than generating "saw dust", it creates something like cotton candy. Kind of flies around rather than being sucked up by the DC connected to the TS. No real problem, just strange and a little extra work. HTH. -- Igor |
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(Steve Schefter) writes:
Hi. We have a pantry in our kitches that's basically a closet. Way too deep for the small items we keep in it. I'd like to put a lazy susan in it so that we [...] Or would anyone have a better mind's eye picture to suggest? If i interpret you intentions correctly you would end up with a set of circular shelves, wich will offer no more space than the usefull front part of the rectangular shelves anyway. You would do better with putting the shelves on wheels and pull them out in a straight line. -- Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869 Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13 CH-1211 Geneve 23 |
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Drawers are the way to go, did my pantry that way. Each drawer is 19 wide
(inside) 24 deep. Two sections wide. Caned goods weight about 16 lbs/fq ft. Single layer. Not the tall cans tho. Didn't measure them. Bottom two have 5.5 inch sides, two with 4.5 in, the rest 3 inch. All the fronts are the same. |
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Philip Lewis wrote
I started down one path using a pipe in a socket as a pivet point, but then it occured to me: Build standard shelves and put a small lazy susan on each shelf. The hardware exists, you have more options for configuration, you don't waste the back of the closet arc space, and you won't need the lip for stuff that falls off. (it'll just land on the shelf, inconvenient, but not a "mess".) Consider stressed skin platforms for the shelving if the span is particularly wide or the shelves will carry a heavy load. Thanks for the suggestion. I had thought if it before, but wasn't keen on losing the space that a shelf-on-a-shelf would take up. But as you bring it up again and I think about it some more, it's getting more appealing. It certainly is easier than the idea in my original post and I can try it out with just one shelf to see how it goes. Thanks also to the others who took the time to think about it and offer other options. I need to dig a bit more through the hardware website that Todd suggested. Lots of good stuff there. There are a few reasons why the pull out drawers some suggested won't work in our case. For starters, the door is not as wide as the cupboard. Also, with how the door is situated in the kitchen, opening it up wide enough to get right out of the way of the cupboard opening isn't possible. Finally, getting items out of a drawer at top-of-head height would be a bit of a challenge. In terms of losing the space that putting a round shelf in a rectangular cupboard would cost, I had planned on having the area around the lazy susan left as a shelf (picture a D-shaped section of the existing shelf cut out and spinning while the area around it stays in place). Steve |
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Howdy!
In article , Steve Schefter wrote: [snip] Thanks also to the others who took the time to think about it and offer other options. I need to dig a bit more through the hardware website that Todd suggested. Lots of good stuff there. You might also look at http://www.rockler.com/findit.cfm?page=6006 for the swinging shelf option... There are a few reasons why the pull out drawers some suggested won't work in our case. For starters, the door is not as wide as the cupboard. Also, with how the door is situated in the kitchen, opening it up wide enough to get right out of the way of the cupboard opening isn't possible. Finally, getting items out of a drawer at top-of-head height would be a bit of a challenge. I'm in the same boat; the (so-called) pantry is a frickin closet, and stuff was always getting in the back and forgotten and hard to get out. We've yanked out the crappy wire shelves the builder put in and have pondered what to do next. I'll rip out the door-frame to put in drawers, if I have to, but I like the "Wooden Pantry Organizers" linked to above, at least in concept. My problem is that I'm about a half inch shy on the lateral space to put in the double shelves, so I'm still dithering. One cabinet I saw at Lowes that had the same sort of fittings used a piano hinge to support the swinging cabinets. The Rockler offering appears to use (effectively) knife hinges top and bottom. I'm trying to figure out if I can (and will) fabricate such myself. The trick is supporting the weight reliably... yours, Michael -- Michael and MJ Houghton | Herveus d'Ormonde and Megan O'Donnelly | White Wolf and the Phoenix Bowie, MD, USA | Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff | http://www.radix.net/~herveus/wwap/ |
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