Anyone knows a book on doing drawings?

Like tech stuff, it can be a room but also an object like
a nail puller or whatever,

I.e., a book that attempts to help the reader teach
him/herself doing it... with terminology, methods
and examples, tools perhaps and - ah, you get it

TIA

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On 2/25/2021 10:09 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
Anyone knows a book on doing drawings?

Like tech stuff, it can be a room but also an object like
a nail puller or whatever,

I.e., a book that attempts to help the reader teach
him/herself doing it... with terminology, methods
and examples, tools perhaps and - ah, you get it

TIA



Sketchup for Dummies

Leon wrote:

Anyone knows a book on doing drawings? Like tech stuff, it
can be a room but also an object like a nail puller or
whatever, I.e., a book that attempts to help the reader
teach him/herself doing it... with terminology, methods and
examples, tools perhaps and - ah, you get it TIA

Sketchup for Dummies

OK. No, by hand!

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 17:09:50 +0100, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

Anyone knows a book on doing drawings?

Like tech stuff, it can be a room but also an object like
a nail puller or whatever,

I.e., a book that attempts to help the reader teach
him/herself doing it... with terminology, methods
and examples, tools perhaps and - ah, you get it

Are you looking for paper drawings or electronic drawings, and if
electronic with what software?

J. Clarke wrote:

Are you looking for paper drawings or electronic drawings,
and if electronic with what software?

No software.

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Kinna sounds like you want a school text book as I had in college, Basic Design Technology class. Don't recall the text book title.

Maybe check with your local college/university book store for something appropriate.

Sonny wrote:

Kinna sounds like you want a school text book as I had in
college, Basic Design Technology class. Don't recall the
text book title.

Maybe check with your local college/university book store
for something appropriate.

Heh, I live in Sweden, university stuff is good (great) but
too difficult for me or too big of an undertaking with respect
to this particular activity I should say, and the college, or
corresponding, stuff is... it isn't good.

Like a technology book, it can begin like this:

Maybe you didn't realize it, but technology systems are
everywhere. From you cellphone to the subway/underground of
our nation's capital.

I can't wade thru stuff like that because it makes me wanna
punch into a wall or something... just horrible.

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 20:50:51 +0100, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

Sonny wrote:

Kinna sounds like you want a school text book as I had in
college, Basic Design Technology class. Don't recall the
text book title.

Maybe check with your local college/university book store
for something appropriate.

Heh, I live in Sweden, university stuff is good (great) but
too difficult for me or too big of an undertaking with respect
to this particular activity I should say, and the college, or
corresponding, stuff is... it isn't good.

Like a technology book, it can begin like this:

Maybe you didn't realize it, but technology systems are
everywhere. From you cellphone to the subway/underground of
our nation's capital.

I can't wade thru stuff like that because it makes me wanna
punch into a wall or something... just horrible.

Woodworking for Dummies: First download Sketchup...

On 2/25/2021 1:30 PM, Sonny wrote:
Kinna sounds like you want a school text book as I had in college, Basic Design Technology class. Don't recall the text book title.

Maybe check with your local college/university book store for something appropriate.

The place I would start looking is in the nearest Used Book store.
Possible your local Library book sale.

If you are in a hurry, look on Ebay, Abe Books, or some of he online
used books sties.

knuttle wrote:

The place I would start looking is in the nearest Used Book
store. Possible your local Library book sale.

Do you have a specific title or ISBN to look for, a book you
yourself read and thought was great in this field?

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Sonny on Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:30:42 -0800 (PST)
typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Kinna sounds like you want a school text book as I had in college, Basic Design Technology class. Don't recall the text book title.

Maybe check with your local college/university book store for something appropriate.

Check your local tech school, too.

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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:15:59 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Sonny on Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:30:42 -0800 (PST)
typed in rec.woodworking the following:

Kinna sounds like you want a school text book as I had in college, Basic Design Technology class. Don't recall the text book title.

Maybe check with your local college/university book store for something appropriate.

Check your local tech school, too.

I would doubt that drafting is taught anywhere anymore, any more than
advanced abacus accounting is.

On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:38:01 +0100, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

J. Clarke wrote:

Are you looking for paper drawings or electronic drawings,
and if electronic with what software?

No software.

Sounds like what you're looking for is something akin to the drafting
text my mother learned out of at Pratt Institute in the '20s (geez,
has it been a century since she lived in New York? Wow.). It's long
lost and I can't remember the title but it was a very thorough
education in technical drawing.

J. Clarke wrote:

It's long lost and I can't remember the title

That's gonna be a problem

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In rec.woodworking, Emanuel Berg wrote:
Anyone knows a book on doing drawings?

Like tech stuff, it can be a room but also an object like
a nail puller or whatever,

I.e., a book that attempts to help the reader teach
him/herself doing it... with terminology, methods
and examples, tools perhaps and - ah, you get it

Notes on technical sketching and free hand lettering for engineering
students

Preview:
https://archive.org/details/notesontechnical02smit

Buy:
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Boo...-srp1-_-title1

Mechanical drawing; technique and working methods, for technical
students

Preview:
https://archive.org/details/mechanicaldraw00adamrich

Buy:
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Boo...-srp1-_-title1

Essentials of drafting; a text and problem book for apprentice, trade
and evening technical schools

Preview:
https://archive.org/details/essentialsofdraf01sven/

Buy:
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Boo...-srp1-_-title1


A Manual of Engineering Drawing for Students and Draftsmen

Preview:
https://archive.org/details/amanualengineer01frengoog

Buy:
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Boo...-srp1-_-title2

Elijah
------
has an eight edition copy of that last one

Eli the Bearded wrote:

Elijah has an eight edition copy of that last one

You mean "A Manual of Engineering Drawing for Students and
Draftsmen"? You read it as well? Is it good?

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In rec.woodworking, Emanuel Berg wrote:
You mean "A Manual of Engineering Drawing for Students and
Draftsmen"? You read it as well? Is it good?

I have the eighth edition (1953 copyright) of that one. It's a "discard"
from a high school, looks never used by students. I've only read small
parts, but it looks good to me. Chances are, any technical book that
goes through eight editions (in this case each about five years apart)
is well respected by someone.

I included links to archive.org so you could actually look at the
content without a physical copy in front of you. Although their copy is
an older edition than I saw for sale.

I generally just do the minimal drawings I need to understand a project,
which are far less detailed or sophisticated at real engineering
drawings, but that has worked out for me. Learning to do better is
something I've considered, which is how I happen to have the book.

Elijah
------
likes browsing at archive.org

On 2/26/2021 5:12 PM, Eli the Bearded wrote:
In rec.woodworking, Emanuel Berg wrote:
You mean "A Manual of Engineering Drawing for Students and
Draftsmen"? You read it as well? Is it good?

I have the eighth edition (1953 copyright) of that one. It's a "discard"
from a high school, looks never used by students. I've only read small
parts, but it looks good to me. Chances are, any technical book that
goes through eight editions (in this case each about five years apart)
is well respected by someone.

I included links to archive.org so you could actually look at the
content without a physical copy in front of you. Although their copy is
an older edition than I saw for sale.

I generally just do the minimal drawings I need to understand a project,
which are far less detailed or sophisticated at real engineering
drawings, but that has worked out for me. Learning to do better is
something I've considered, which is how I happen to have the book.

Elijah
------
likes browsing at archive.org

Many people do not realize it but there are many old books on line for
the Download. I have downloaded a couple dozen old county histories
that were written in the late 18 and early 1900's

I did not download it but there is one that tells how to build a modern
sanitary out house, in case you were thinking about building an outhouse.

I usually do a search for the book and title if I have it or on the subject.

Emanuel Berg on Thu, 25 Feb 2021 17:09:50 +0100
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Anyone knows a book on doing drawings?

Yes.

Like tech stuff, it can be a room but also an object like
a nail puller or whatever,

Ah, sounds like you want something like _Fundamentals of Design_
is the book I recall. I also recall that I could get the subsection
for the class at the bookstore, or get the hardback revised version
(from which the college extracted the part they used) for less
including S&H.

I.e., a book that attempts to help the reader teach
him/herself doing it... with terminology, methods
and examples, tools perhaps and - ah, you get it

Technical Drawing is one of those areas where it is as much about
how to think about what it is you are drawing, and for what reason, as
it is about the technicalities of the drawing.
In short, if you just need to know the shape and dimensions, a
'rough' sketch can suffice. But 'blue prints' have a lot of technical
requirements, because they _are_ the legal description of the
item/part. E.G., I had a drawing for a part I was making, and while
the one row of holes had each hole in a line, and all 3" apart, there
was no dimension where on the board that line was located. Is it 1
inch from the top? right down the middle? corner to corner?
"Technically" as long as the holes were in a line and on the board "it
was right" - never mind if they don't line up with the other part.
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pyotr filipivich wrote:

Technical Drawing is one of those areas where it is as much
about how to think about what it is you are drawing, and for
what reason, as it is about the technicalities of the
drawing. In short, if you just need to know the shape and
dimensions, a 'rough' sketch can suffice. But 'blue prints'
have a lot of technical requirements, because they _are_ the
legal description of the item/part. E.G., I had a drawing
for a part I was making, and while the one row of holes had
each hole in a line, and all 3" apart, there was no
dimension where on the board that line was located. Is it 1
inch from the top? right down the middle? corner to corner?
"Technically" as long as the holes were in a line and on the
board "it was right" - never mind if they don't line up with
the other part.

OK, interesting. Well, I'd like the drawing to be correct at
all points, technically, but it can be super simple at first,
that's good even. And correct terminology all thru.
And examples (drawings). That's it

Like learning English from 0. First lesson is just one word.
"Hello". Well, OK, that _is_ correct English! Then it
progresses, and new concepts are introduced. That would
be ideal.

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Emanuel Berg wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

Technical Drawing is one of those areas where it is as much
about how to think about what it is you are drawing, and for
what reason, as it is about the technicalities of the
drawing. In short, if you just need to know the shape and
dimensions, a 'rough' sketch can suffice. But 'blue prints'
have a lot of technical requirements, because they _are_ the
legal description of the item/part. E.G., I had a drawing
for a part I was making, and while the one row of holes had
each hole in a line, and all 3" apart, there was no
dimension where on the board that line was located. Is it 1
inch from the top? right down the middle? corner to corner?
"Technically" as long as the holes were in a line and on the
board "it was right" - never mind if they don't line up with
the other part.

OK, interesting. Well, I'd like the drawing to be correct at
all points, technically, but it can be super simple at first,
that's good even. And correct terminology all thru.
And examples (drawings). That's it

Like learning English from 0. First lesson is just one word.
"Hello". Well, OK, that _is_ correct English! Then it
progresses, and new concepts are introduced. That would
be ideal.


From my perspective, technical drawing varies a great deal with
context: From a nut and bolt or motor assembly, kitchen cabinets, or
city streets (with sewers and water mains). I think they each have their
own standards (nomenclature?). If any software developers are watching,
it is interesting to compare/contrast with UML (Unified Modeling Language).

Bill wrote:

From my perspective, technical drawing varies a great deal
with context: From a nut and bolt or motor assembly, kitchen
cabinets, or city streets (with sewers and water mains).
I think they each have their own standards (nomenclature?).
If any software developers are watching, it is interesting
to compare/contrast with UML (Unified Modeling Language).

Here is the use case:

https://dataswamp.org/~incal/blog/index.html

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On 3/1/2021 10:49 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

Technical Drawing is one of those areas where it is as much
about how to think about what it is you are drawing, and for
what reason, as it is about the technicalities of the
drawing. In short, if you just need to know the shape and
dimensions, a 'rough' sketch can suffice. But 'blue prints'
have a lot of technical requirements, because they _are_ the
legal description of the item/part. E.G., I had a drawing
for a part I was making, and while the one row of holes had
each hole in a line, and all 3" apart, there was no
dimension where on the board that line was located. Is it 1
inch from the top? right down the middle? corner to corner?
"Technically" as long as the holes were in a line and on the
board "it was right" - never mind if they don't line up with
the other part.

OK, interesting. Well, I'd like the drawing to be correct at
all points, technically, but it can be super simple at first,
that's good even. And correct terminology all thru.
And examples (drawings). That's it

Like learning English from 0. First lesson is just one word.
"Hello". Well, OK, that _is_ correct English! Then it
progresses, and new concepts are introduced. That would
be ideal.



So pick an area, style of drawing you want to do.
Each is like a different language.

Mechanical drawing is similar but quite different from architectural
drawing. The lettering is substantially different as are the end points
of dimension lines. Pipe fitting drawings are different too as are
electrical schematic drawings.
Basically an architect would probably fail miserable at providing a
machinist a drawing that meant anything or for that matter provide
enough detail.

Aside from that there are rules that apply to dimensions as well as the
drawings themselves. Then there are line weights for each. Then there
are cross section views that are different.

And aside from all of that there are rules for placement of all of the
views on a drawing and then add in isometric views and their exact
placement.

It is a good thing to learn the basics to drawing with a drawing board
but you can, for your own needs, progress further and faster using a
computer and say, Sketchup.

Leon wrote:

So pick an area, style of drawing you want to do.
Each is like a different language.

OK:

https://dataswamp.org/~incal/blog/index.html

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On 3/2/2021 3:49 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
Leon wrote:

So pick an area, style of drawing you want to do.
Each is like a different language.

OK:

https://dataswamp.org/~incal/blog/index.html



Architectural Drafting.

Emanuel Berg on Thu, 25 Feb 2021 17:09:50 +0100
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Anyone knows a book on doing drawings?

Like tech stuff, it can be a room but also an object like
a nail puller or whatever,

I.e., a book that attempts to help the reader teach
him/herself doing it... with terminology, methods
and examples, tools perhaps and - ah, you get it

TIA


Aha. I found my CAD library book files

_Sketching, Drawing techniques for production designers_
Koos Eissen & Roselien Steur
ISBN 978 906 369 171 4

"An invaluable skill for product designers and an integral part of
the design process, the ability to sketch or illustrate a concept may
mean the difference between rejection and realization. Sketching is an
in-depth look the traditional elements that make up a successful
sketch. Includes numerous examples contributed by some of the worlds
most renowned product designers. This book is essential both for
aspiring students and established designers looking to brush up on
their skills. Sections covered include: side view sketches,
perspective drawing, simplifying shape, elementary geometric shapes,
special notice at ellipses, rounding, cross-sections, ideation,
explanatory drawings, surface and texture, light and ambiance and
surroundings."

_Sketching the Basics_
ISBN 978 90 6369 253 7
»This book is aimed at people who want step-by-step guidance in
learning how to sketch. But we could not resist including examples
from designers and design offices around the world. By looking at
how they work we link theory and everyday practice, and we hope
that these case studies inspire young designers.«
Roselien and Koos, April 2011«
www.sketching.nl
www.SketchingForDesigners.com


Andrew Loomis has "Fun with a Pencil" from 1939.
isbn:9780857687609
»Andrew Loomis (1892-1959) is revered amongst artists - including
comics superstar Alex Ross - for his mastery of drawing. His first
book, Fun With a Pencil, published in 1939 is a wonderfully crafted
and engaging introduction to drawing, cartooning, and capturing the
essence of a subject all while having fun. With delightful
step-by-step instruction from Professor Blook, Loomis's charming alter
ego on the page.«


_Working Drawings Handbook_
Keith Styles & Andrew Bichard
Routledge
isbn: 9781135140243,
»Covering every aspect of drawing preparation, both manual and
computer-aided, this comprehensive manual is an essential tool for
students, architects and architectural technologists. Showing what
information is required on each type of document, how drawings relate
to specifications, and how to organize and document your work, this
handbook presents a fully illustrated guide to all the key methods and
techniques. Thoroughly revised and redesigned, this fourth edition has
brand new computer-generated drawings throughout and is updated to
cover all aspects of computer use in the modern building design
process.«



The main issue is that to get good at drafting, drawing or
sketching, you're just going to have to do it. A lot. There is only
so much you can learn from books, but your hand and eye are going to
have to work together, to get on paper what you are seeing. Regardless
of whether it is something in front of you, or "in your mind's eye."
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Le 25/02/2021 Ã* 17:09, Emanuel Berg a écritÂ*:
Anyone knows a book on doing drawings?

Like tech stuff, it can be a room but also an object like
a nail puller or whatever,

I.e., a book that attempts to help the reader teach
him/herself doing it... with terminology, methods
and examples, tools perhaps and - ah, you get it

TIA


The articles in Wikipedia: €œTechnical Drawing€� (english), «Dessin
technique» (french), €œTechnisches Zeichnen€� (german), €¦ will give you a
reliable perspective on the subject and useful references.