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I am considering the purchase of a combination jointer/ planer machine.

I had a Craftsman 6" jointer years ago and it was useful for tying our
dogs leashes to. Not much else. When our last Great Dane express less
interest of being out in the shop with me I got rad of that planer.

I currently have a 15" Delta stationary planer that has no frills. And
the motor has to be removed to sharpen the knives. No fun there and
this actually detours me from wanting to use it al all. Prior to that I
had one of the first bench top planers, a Ryobi AP10. And I used that
thing all the time.

Anyway when I build for customers I have little use for a jointer. I
buy S4S lumber. Buying ready to go lumber saves me time and the
customer money paying me to mill the wood. S4S comes in consistent
sizes so materials optimization programs work really well.

I want to focus more on smaller jobs/projects that are easy to deliver. ;~)

And I want to use more exotic/expensive woods for this purpose. Enter
the need again for a jointer. We all know that rough cut lumber is less
expensive than S4S. And with smaller projects there is no need for a
jointer that can straighten an 8' board.

With all of this in mind I am looking at both 12" and 16" jointer/planer
combo machines.

With the 16" machine I get a planer that will handle 1" wider than I can
handle now and I get a really wide jointer.

I can buy a jointer by it self and continue to use my 15" planer but the
3 car garage is getting smaller. I will sell the 15" Delta planer. The
como machine should only take up twice the space of my planer. My Delta
planer is on a mobile base and has the larger chrome roller in feed and
out feed extensions so it has a bigger than normal foot print. They do
fold down but still the foot print is bigger.

Does any on here have or use a jointer/planer combo machine?

Thoughts?

I have worn YouTube out watching videos on the offerings from different
brands.

The machines that I am seriously considering are from Jet and Hammer.

I looked at Grizzly, 12", with the spiral carbide toothed cutter head.
And that looked promising until I compared it to the Hammer cutter head.
The Grizzly cutter head had 32 carbide teeth. The Hammer 12" had what
appears to be a load more. The Grizzly teeth seem to be spaced every
other one as blank with 4 quarter turn rows. The Hammer teeth appear to
almost be over lapping next to each other and appear to have a single
full complete revolution row.

Hammer claims and some video's indicate that their cutter head/carbide
teeth, runs much more quietly. I wonder if that is because you hear a
constant shearing vs, hearing 4 separate tows of teeth hitting the wood.
Anyway shocking less noisy than my 15" Delta with DC running.

Thoughts?

12" vs. 16"
16" would be lovely to have but would I ever use that capacity? It's
tables are a couple of inches shorter than a conventional 8" jointer,
70" And I'll say again, I'm not looking to straighten 8' boards. BUT
WOW a 16" jointer!!!!
12" is smaller.....and a lot wider than my current non-existent jointer.
The planer would naturally also be 12" and 3" narrower than my 15"
Delta. Tables are about 16" shorter than the 16" model, 54"

Comparing the foot print of the 12 and 16 Hammers, the 16" is 16" longer
and 4" deeper.

I see some complaints about the Hammer but mostly about the fence. It
like most in this category is extruded aluminum attached to a sheet
metal adjustment carriage. Most going to these type setups from the
conventional joiners wish for an iron fence because there is no back and
forth deflection at the far end of the fence. Does that even matter?
It is not like you are ripping to a specific width on a jointer. So I
don't think this concerns me. The fence does hold the angle setting
with no complaints about that.

Carbide tooth cutter heads certainly go farther between sharpening and I
suspect that a replacement set, after using all 4 cutting edges would be
a wash over replacing or resharpening high speed steel knives over the
same period of use. Hammer claims 20 times longer use out of carbide
teeth vs. their double edged disposable knives. IIRC their disposable
knives are between $20~$30. IIRC the carbide teeth are approximately
$325-$375 per set.

Thoughts?

I have pretty much eliminated the Grizzly from the mix. It is much less
expensive but all things considered I think I would be happier with the
Hammer. Grizzly made some where in Asia, Hammer made in Austria. The
12" Hammer and 12" Grizzly are currently priced $4250. and $3000
respectively. The 12" Hammer is currently on promotion for 17% off
regular price of $5094. The 16" Hammer is normally $6849, on promotion,
$5960.

PLUS shipping and a mobility kit and a dial indicator for planer
thickness. Apparently accurate to thousands of an inch. And Tax.

This machine IS NOT expected to pay for itself so much as help me
process more exotic unmiled wood.

Thoughts?

The 12" Jet compares, in size with the Hammer 12" All specs, that I am
concerned about are with in an inch or so. Both the Jet and the Hammer
designs have been around for at least 10 years. The Jet is currently on
sale at 15% off, $3654 vs $4299 through the end of this month. The jet
has free delivery.

I think for $600 more the Hammer, being Austrian made vs. the Asian Jet
might make me feel better. If I decide on the 16" Hammer, nothing else
that I have looked at interests me.

I looked at the MiniMax FS 30c but was totally turned off with the
effort to convert to planer mode. It has the American vs. Euro guard
and has to be disassembled and removed, the fence also has to be
removed. And then the tables, in feed and out feed lift independently
and and different angles. From what I have read keeping the tables co
planer was a problem until manufacturers tied the tables together to
lift up as a unit. Nothing has to be removed on the Hammer.

So I'm leaning towards the Hammer, 12 or 16"













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On 11/23/2020 1:29 PM, Leon wrote:
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So I'm leaning towards the Hammer, 12 or 16"


I can't see ever going smaller than what you can manage. Just because
you don't use it all the time; the times you do is worth its weight in gold.

_UNLESS_ you have easy access to other shops for the occasional use;
here in a very small locale even the commercial guys don't have anything
of any size and the c-college has closed their woodworking program...

I've not used the Hammer specifically so can't really comment on it.

I have used an older Incra...but I wouldn't recommend it owing to
changeover hassles. Altho I think they've been redesigned since, too,
maybe?

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On 11/23/2020 2:01 PM, dpb wrote:
On 11/23/2020 1:29 PM, Leon wrote:
...

So I'm leaning towards the Hammer, 12 or 16"


I can't see ever going smaller than what you can manage.¬* Just because
you don't use it all the time; the times you do is worth its weight in
gold.

_UNLESS_ you have easy access to other shops for the occasional use;
here in a very small locale even the commercial guys don't have anything
of any size and the c-college has closed their woodworking program...

I've not used the Hammer specifically so can't really comment on it.

I have used an older Incra...but I wouldn't recommend it owing to
changeover hassles.¬* Altho I think they've been redesigned since, too,
maybe?

--


Thanks!

The advantage to going 16 over 12 "now" the price difference is much
less that if going from 12 to 16 "later".

That keeps haunting me. I never dreamed that I would use my Domino as
much as I have.
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On 11/23/2020 4:34 PM, Leon wrote:
On 11/23/2020 2:01 PM, dpb wrote:
On 11/23/2020 1:29 PM, Leon wrote:
...

So I'm leaning towards the Hammer, 12 or 16"


I can't see ever going smaller than what you can manage.¬* Just because
you don't use it all the time; the times you do is worth its weight in
gold.

_UNLESS_ you have easy access to other shops for the occasional use;
here in a very small locale even the commercial guys don't have
anything of any size and the c-college has closed their woodworking
program...

I've not used the Hammer specifically so can't really comment on it.

I have used an older Incra...but I wouldn't recommend it owing to
changeover hassles.¬* Altho I think they've been redesigned since, too,
maybe?

--


Thanks!

The advantage to going 16 over 12 "now" the price difference is much
less that if going from 12 to 16 "later".

That keeps haunting me.¬* I never dreamed that I would use my Domino as
much as I have.


If you're intending to keep working commercially for any length of time
at all (I've no idea how old you are, exactly, altho know you're younger
than I by a ways), I can't see how you could possibly go wrong with more
rather than less. It may open up other avenues than those you've yet
tapped, as well.

I have always bought roughsawn stock in bulk so to me having the
facilities has always been a necessity. I brought the 18" PM 180 planer
with me; I am now limited to the 8" Rockwell-Delta jointer that is a
pain on occasion whereas in both VA and TN had easy access to either a
12" or 24" depending.

But, only you know what you actually do and what kinds of additional
commissions you might consider accepting in the future. I did a fair
amount of small business conference room tables, credenzas, etc., in VA
that basically required the heft.

I've done no commercial commissions since returning to the farm--too
small a town to have any significant demand for anything other than
cookie-cutter so not interesting work plus just not enough time if were
to try to really drum up anything.

Trying to finish our house is more than I've managed in 20 years, so
far...

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On 11/23/2020 2:29 PM, Leon wrote:
I am considering the purchase of a combination jointer/ planer machine.

I had a Craftsman 6" jointer years ago and it was useful for tying our dogs
leashes to.¬* Not much else.¬* When our last Great Dane express less interest
of being out in the shop with me I got rad of that planer.

I currently have a 15" Delta stationary planer that has no frills.¬* And the
motor has to be removed to sharpen the knives.¬* No fun there and this
actually detours me from wanting to use it al all.¬* Prior to that I had one
of the first bench top planers, a Ryobi AP10.¬* And I used that thing all
the time.

Anyway when I build for customers I have little use for a jointer.¬* I buy
S4S lumber.¬* Buying ready to go lumber saves me time and the customer money
paying me to mill the wood.¬* S4S comes in consistent sizes so materials
optimization programs work really well.

I want to focus more on smaller jobs/projects that are easy to deliver.¬* ;~)

And I want to use more exotic/expensive woods for this purpose.¬* Enter the
need again for a jointer.¬* We all know that rough cut lumber is less
expensive than S4S.¬* And with smaller projects there is no need for a
jointer that can straighten an 8' board.

With all of this in mind I am looking at both 12" and 16" jointer/planer
combo machines.

With the 16" machine I get a planer that will handle 1" wider than I can
handle now and I get a really wide jointer.

I can buy a jointer by it self and continue to use my 15" planer but the 3
car garage is getting smaller.¬* I will sell the 15" Delta planer.¬* The como
machine should only take up twice the space of my planer.¬* My Delta planer
is on a mobile base and has the larger chrome roller in feed and out feed
extensions so it has a bigger than normal foot print.¬* They do fold down
but still the foot print is bigger.

Does any on here have or use a jointer/planer combo machine?

Thoughts?

I have worn YouTube out watching videos on the offerings from different
brands.

The machines that I am seriously considering are from Jet and Hammer.

I looked at Grizzly, 12", with the spiral carbide toothed cutter head. And
that looked promising until I compared it to the Hammer cutter head. ¬*The
Grizzly cutter head had 32 carbide teeth.¬* The Hammer 12" had what appears
to be a load more.¬* The Grizzly teeth seem to be spaced every other one as
blank with 4 quarter turn rows.¬* The Hammer teeth appear to almost be over
lapping next to each other and appear to have a single full complete
revolution row.

Hammer claims and some video's indicate that their cutter head/carbide
teeth, runs much more quietly.¬* I wonder if that is because you hear a
constant shearing vs, hearing 4 separate tows of teeth hitting the wood.
Anyway shocking less noisy than my 15" Delta with DC running.

Thoughts?

12" vs. 16"
16" would be lovely to have but would I ever use that capacity?¬* It's
tables are a couple of inches shorter than a conventional 8" jointer, 70"
And I'll say again, I'm not looking to straighten 8' boards. BUT WOW a 16"
jointer!!!!
12" is smaller.....and a lot wider than my current non-existent jointer.
¬*The planer would naturally also be 12" and 3" narrower than my 15"
Delta.¬* Tables are about 16" shorter than the 16" model, 54"

Comparing the foot print of the 12 and 16 Hammers, the 16" is 16" longer
and 4" deeper.

I see some complaints about the Hammer but mostly about the fence.¬* It like
most in this category is extruded aluminum attached to a sheet metal
adjustment carriage.¬* Most going to these type setups from the conventional
joiners wish for an iron fence because there is no back and forth
deflection at the far end of the fence.¬* Does that even matter? It is not
like you are ripping to a specific width on a jointer. So I don't think
this concerns me.¬* The fence does hold the angle setting with no complaints
about that.

Carbide tooth cutter heads certainly go farther between sharpening and I
suspect that a replacement set, after using all 4 cutting edges would be a
wash over replacing or resharpening high speed steel knives over the same
period of use.¬* Hammer claims 20 times longer use out of carbide teeth vs.
their double edged disposable knives.¬* IIRC their disposable knives are
between $20~$30.¬* IIRC the carbide teeth are approximately $325-$375 per set.

Thoughts?

I have pretty much eliminated the Grizzly from the mix.¬* It is much less
expensive but all things considered I think I would be happier with the
Hammer.¬* Grizzly made some where in Asia, Hammer made in Austria.¬* The 12"
Hammer and 12" Grizzly are currently priced $4250. and $3000 respectively.
The 12" Hammer is currently on promotion for 17% off regular price of
$5094.¬* The 16" Hammer is normally $6849, on promotion, $5960.

PLUS shipping and a mobility kit and a dial indicator for planer
thickness.¬* Apparently accurate to¬* thousands of an inch.¬* And Tax.

This machine IS NOT expected to pay for itself so much as help me process
more exotic unmiled wood.

Thoughts?

The 12" Jet compares, in size with the Hammer 12"¬* All specs, that I am
concerned about are with in an inch or so.¬* Both the Jet and the Hammer
designs have been around for at least 10 years.¬* The Jet is currently on
sale at 15% off, $3654 vs $4299 through the end of this month.¬* The jet has
free delivery.

I think for $600 more the Hammer, being Austrian made vs. the Asian Jet
might make me feel better.¬* If I decide on the 16" Hammer, nothing else
that I have looked at interests me.

I looked at the MiniMax FS 30c but was totally turned off with the effort
to convert to planer mode.¬* It has the American vs. Euro guard and has to
be disassembled and removed,¬* the fence also has to be removed.¬* And then
the tables, in feed and out feed lift independently and and different
angles.¬* From what I have read keeping the tables co planer was a problem
until manufacturers tied the tables together to lift up as a unit.¬* Nothing
has to be removed on the Hammer.

So I'm leaning towards the Hammer, 12 or 16"


Well, Hammer equipment is definitely top-shelf stuff and I've never heard a
complaint other than the pain induced by writing the check for it. I use a
Robland X-31 combination machine which has a 12" planer/jointer, table saw,
spindle shaper, and even a mortising machine. It is definitely bottom tier
equipment compared to Hammer but I've had no problems beyond replacing the
original knives with flip-over insert blades and replacing some belts in 20
years. As in all things, you will invariably find stock that you need that
just won't fit into your equipment. I fell into that with my dining room
table but was lucky enough to get somebody in the WW guild to run my big
slabs through his heavy iron.

--
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can never overcome natural stupidity.


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On 11/23/2020 4:51 PM, dpb wrote:
On 11/23/2020 4:34 PM, Leon wrote:
On 11/23/2020 2:01 PM, dpb wrote:
On 11/23/2020 1:29 PM, Leon wrote:
...

So I'm leaning towards the Hammer, 12 or 16"

I can't see ever going smaller than what you can manage.¬* Just
because you don't use it all the time; the times you do is worth its
weight in gold.

_UNLESS_ you have easy access to other shops for the occasional use;
here in a very small locale even the commercial guys don't have
anything of any size and the c-college has closed their woodworking
program...

I've not used the Hammer specifically so can't really comment on it.

I have used an older Incra...but I wouldn't recommend it owing to
changeover hassles.¬* Altho I think they've been redesigned since,
too, maybe?

--


Thanks!

The advantage to going 16 over 12 "now" the price difference is much
less that if going from 12 to 16 "later".

That keeps haunting me.¬* I never dreamed that I would use my Domino as
much as I have.


If you're intending to keep working commercially for any length of time
at all (I've no idea how old you are, exactly, altho know you're younger
than I by a ways), I can't see how you could possibly go wrong with more
rather than less.¬* It may open up other avenues than those you've yet
tapped, as well.


I have never pushed this to be a living, although I think if I
advertised I might be overwhelmed. Considering that this started out as
a hobby when I was 10 and 14 years later a more serious hobby and
another 5 years as therapy, ;~) and finally 10~12 years after that
something that could not be hidden from the tax man, here is where I am
at. I'm 66.

I do not intend to build big any more unless the project looks fun. And
again, if I am selling a large piece of furniture I buy wood ready to go.




I have always bought roughsawn stock in bulk so to me having the
facilities has always been a necessity.¬* I brought the 18" PM 180 planer
with me; I am now limited to the 8" Rockwell-Delta jointer that is a
pain on occasion whereas in both VA and TN had easy access to either a
12" or 24" depending.


FWIW I saw a YouTube video a few days ago that showed how to mill stock
wider than the capacity of the jointer. Maybe have have seen or heard
of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyVrabLVuBc



But, only you know what you actually do and what kinds of additional
commissions you might consider accepting in the future.¬* I did a fair
amount of small business conference room tables, credenzas, etc., in VA
that basically required the heft.


Absolutely! And why I buy the wood already processed. In the Houston
area my labor is more expensive than the difference in price of milled
and unmilled wood. Another reason that I never expect for this machine
to pay for itself. Now I can go to a mill and buy rough cut directly,
and save more money buying wood. But that involves a 2 hour drive both
ways and a couple of hours at the mill. That technically becomes more
expensive when I add 6 hours of my labor time.



I've done no commercial commissions since returning to the farm--too
small a town to have any significant demand for anything other than
cookie-cutter so not interesting work plus just not enough time if were
to try to really drum up anything.


I would really like to produce these, a dozen or so at a time.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...in/dateposted/

Especially when compared to this tool box company. When I built the
above chests about 15 years ago the going price was about $2200.00 each.
A couple of years ago, over $3,000 each. I sold the second one in
that picture to a neighbor for $800. Apparently they have quit offering
this style. I'm guessing the asking price was too high. The time to
build is mostly on the set up, hence several at a time to bring down
production cost.

https://gerstnerusa.com/products/



Trying to finish our house is more than I've managed in 20 years, so
far...


Home ownership, a never ending chore. Keep us posted! ;~)




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On 11/23/2020 5:14 PM, John McGaw wrote:
On 11/23/2020 2:29 PM, Leon wrote:


Snip


So I'm leaning towards the Hammer, 12 or 16"


Well, Hammer equipment is definitely top-shelf stuff and I've never
heard a complaint other than the pain induced by writing the check for
it.


HA! I have a lot of money invested in my equipment and this would
likely be my most expensive. But compared to my wife's Shangrala
upstairs quilting studio.... We bought her a new Husqvarna
sewing/embroidery machine, because 2 were not enough, a couple of years
ago. Gasp.....$12,000.


I use a Robland X-31 combination machine which has a 12"
planer/jointer, table saw, spindle shaper, and even a mortising machine.
It is definitely bottom tier equipment compared to Hammer but I've had
no problems beyond replacing the original knives with flip-over insert
blades and replacing some belts in 20 years. As in all things, you will
invariably find stock that you need that just won't fit into your
equipment. I fell into that with my dining room table but was lucky
enough to get somebody in the WW guild to run my big slabs through his
heavy iron.


Thanks for the input.
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I pulled the trigger, and or I have told the sales rep that I want to
mover forward with the A3 31 unit with Spiral cutter head and dial
indicator for the elevation crank on the planer bed.

Now the wait.... May or June.
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On 11/23/2020 1:29 PM, Leon wrote:
I am considering the purchase of a combination jointer/ planer machine.

I had a Craftsman 6" jointer years ago and it was useful for tying our
dogs leashes to.¬* Not much else.¬* When our last Great Dane express less
interest of being out in the shop with me I got rad of that planer.

I currently have a 15" Delta stationary planer that has no frills.¬* And
the motor has to be removed to sharpen the knives.¬* No fun there and
this actually detours me from wanting to use it al all.¬* Prior to that I
had one of the first bench top planers, a Ryobi AP10.¬* And I used that
thing all the time.

Anyway when I build for customers I have little use for a jointer.¬* I
buy S4S lumber.¬* Buying ready to go lumber saves me time and the
customer money paying me to mill the wood.¬* S4S comes in consistent
sizes so materials optimization programs work really well.

I want to focus more on smaller jobs/projects that are easy to deliver.
;~)

And I want to use more exotic/expensive woods for this purpose.¬* Enter
the need again for a jointer.¬* We all know that rough cut lumber is less
expensive than S4S.¬* And with smaller projects there is no need for a
jointer that can straighten an 8' board.

With all of this in mind I am looking at both 12" and 16" jointer/planer
combo machines.

With the 16" machine I get a planer that will handle 1" wider than I can
handle now and I get a really wide jointer.

I can buy a jointer by it self and continue to use my 15" planer but the
3 car garage is getting smaller.¬* I will sell the 15" Delta planer.¬* The
como machine should only take up twice the space of my planer.¬* My Delta
planer is on a mobile base and has the larger chrome roller in feed and
out feed extensions so it has a bigger than normal foot print.¬* They do
fold down but still the foot print is bigger.

Does any on here have or use a jointer/planer combo machine?

Thoughts?

I have worn YouTube out watching videos on the offerings from different
brands.

The machines that I am seriously considering are from Jet and Hammer.

I looked at Grizzly, 12", with the spiral carbide toothed cutter head.
And that looked promising until I compared it to the Hammer cutter head.
¬*The Grizzly cutter head had 32 carbide teeth.¬* The Hammer 12" had what
appears to be a load more.¬* The Grizzly teeth seem to be spaced every
other one as blank with 4 quarter turn rows.¬* The Hammer teeth appear to
almost be over lapping next to each other and appear to have a single
full complete revolution row.

Hammer claims and some video's indicate that their cutter head/carbide
teeth, runs much more quietly.¬* I wonder if that is because you hear a
constant shearing vs, hearing 4 separate tows of teeth hitting the wood.
Anyway shocking less noisy than my 15" Delta with DC running.

Thoughts?

12" vs. 16"
16" would be lovely to have but would I ever use that capacity?¬* It's
tables are a couple of inches shorter than a conventional 8" jointer,
70"¬* And I'll say again, I'm not looking to straighten 8' boards. BUT
WOW a 16" jointer!!!!
12" is smaller.....and a lot wider than my current non-existent jointer.
¬*The planer would naturally also be 12" and 3" narrower than my 15"
Delta.¬* Tables are about 16" shorter than the 16" model, 54"

Comparing the foot print of the 12 and 16 Hammers, the 16" is 16" longer
and 4" deeper.

I see some complaints about the Hammer but mostly about the fence.¬* It
like most in this category is extruded aluminum attached to a sheet
metal adjustment carriage.¬* Most going to these type setups from the
conventional joiners wish for an iron fence because there is no back and
forth deflection at the far end of the fence.¬* Does that even matter? It
is not like you are ripping to a specific width on a jointer. So I don't
think this concerns me.¬* The fence does hold the angle setting with no
complaints about that.

Carbide tooth cutter heads certainly go farther between sharpening and I
suspect that a replacement set, after using all 4 cutting edges would be
a wash over replacing or resharpening high speed steel knives over the
same period of use.¬* Hammer claims 20 times longer use out of carbide
teeth vs. their double edged disposable knives.¬* IIRC their disposable
knives are between $20~$30.¬* IIRC the carbide teeth are approximately
$325-$375 per set.

Thoughts?

I have pretty much eliminated the Grizzly from the mix.¬* It is much less
expensive but all things considered I think I would be happier with the
Hammer.¬* Grizzly made some where in Asia, Hammer made in Austria.¬* The
12" Hammer and 12" Grizzly are currently priced $4250. and $3000
respectively.¬* The 12" Hammer is currently on promotion for 17% off
regular price of $5094.¬* The 16" Hammer is normally $6849, on promotion,
$5960.

PLUS shipping and a mobility kit and a dial indicator for planer
thickness.¬* Apparently accurate to¬* thousands of an inch.¬* And Tax.

This machine IS NOT expected to pay for itself so much as help me
process more exotic unmiled wood.

Thoughts?

The 12" Jet compares, in size with the Hammer 12"¬* All specs, that I am
concerned about are with in an inch or so.¬* Both the Jet and the Hammer
designs have been around for at least 10 years.¬* The Jet is currently on
sale at 15% off, $3654 vs $4299 through the end of this month.¬* The jet
has free delivery.

I think for $600 more the Hammer, being Austrian made vs. the Asian Jet
might make me feel better.¬* If I decide on the 16" Hammer, nothing else
that I have looked at interests me.

I looked at the MiniMax FS 30c but was totally turned off with the
effort to convert to planer mode.¬* It has the American vs. Euro guard
and has to be disassembled and removed,¬* the fence also has to be
removed.¬* And then the tables, in feed and out feed lift independently
and and different angles.¬* From what I have read keeping the tables co
planer was a problem until manufacturers tied the tables together to
lift up as a unit.¬* Nothing has to be removed on the Hammer.

So I'm leaning towards the Hammer, 12 or 16"


Weeeeeeelllll,

The Hammer A3 31 priced out at $5152.00 including delivery charges. And
at the last minute I almost went with the A3 41, 16" version but that
was going to be $6727.00 including delivery.

I was twice ready to pull the trigger but then came the sales contract
that I had to initial.
The delivery line item has wording that I absolutely objected to. My
sales person tried to get the wording to include lift gate delivery
instead of NO GUARANTEE of lift gate delivery. And I was going to pay a
premium for shipping, $450.00. That was at least double all other
charges by different tool companies. While the salesman tried to
explain that I would get lift gate delivery and that the contract was
legal-ese, I passed.
Oh and the waiting period was until sometime in June of next year. And
the quoted price could go up..... A hard PASS


So Now I am waiting for delivery of the Jet JJP12HH. Specs on the Jet
are almost identical to the Hammer A3 31, 12" combo.

Pricing was better too. I got in on the last day of the 15% off sale
that Jet was running with free delivery direct to my home. Still no
guarantee of lift gate.
Alternatively I went to my local Woodcraft and talked to the store
manager. He checked availability and offered the machine at the sale
price too. He would order the machine and receive it at his store.
Then he will deliver the machine with lift gate truck...
My total delivery charges are $25.

Sold! Drive out price with lift gate delivery and a Bora PM 3550 mobile
base, just over $4100.













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