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Posted a suggestion for you at A.B.P.W. Look for "OT- Portable computer idea
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Don't think too long about the PDA. Resolution isn't there. Wife keeps her
photo gallery of grandkids and such on hers, but it's nothing like throwing the camera memory into the PCMCIA slot, then having 1024x768 and Photoshop to play with. Those "return from lease" computers are pretty common, and some are up-to-date enough. Got a ThinkPad Celeron for $360 from a local college kid which takes care of photo business, internet browsing, and lesson planning. Check with a local laptop university for December graduations, they offer to the holders (who have already paid for them) at an attractive price, but not all take advantage of it. Daughter bought an $899 new Dell, which works not one bit faster at common tasks than mine. "Charlie Self" wrote in message ... I've got time yet. Helluva lot more of that than money. I don't need the machine this year, even, but need to have it ready to go about February or March. I don't need a 15" screen, either, which is why I'm looking at used laptops, but there's no way I'm paying 65% of new prices for a machine that has to be 3 years old. And that seems to be what a great many of the used sellers are asking. As I said, I haven't had time to check locally, but I'm positive that within a dozen miles, there's only one such store (there's one in Bedford and it's a dozen miles from my house to there). |
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You can buy small form factor PC's these days. They're about the size of
a loaf of bread. Load them up with whatever components you want, and you have an ultra quiet high-powered portable system. Customers have put them into their boats, RV's, etc. Yeah, well...I really, really don't want to get into building computers again. I built something like 5. That's enough. I don't know if these meet your needs, but they're half built. Pop in a hard drive, ram, (and on some a CPU) and you're good to go. |
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Charlie ...
eBay generally has hundreds (at least) of used laptops, some over-priced but many pretty reasonable. Last year I needed a cheap laptop for off-site audio recording. I found a used NEC laptop with a 6.4 GIG HD, 10+ inch display, CD drive and USB port. It's only a 233MHz Pentium II but it cost me only $233 and it serves my purposes just fine. I have also used it to transfer and view pictures from my digital camera, although that is not why I originally bought it. Here's the search parameter I used: http://search.ebay.com/laptop_W0QQfr...sortpropertyZ1 Just doing a cursory scan I see that as I was typing this, there was an IBM Thinkpad with a 12.1 inch TFT display and a DVD drive that just went for $299 and a working Toshiba Tecra with 12" screen that just sold for $41. I'm sure you can find something sufficiently cheap. Lee -- To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon" |
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mp writes:
Posted a suggestion for you at A.B.P.W. Look for "OT- Portable computer idea for CS" Sorry. I dropped ABPW long ago because AOL tends to drop 85% of the pix. Charlie Self "Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened." Sir Winston Churchill |
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Lee Gordon writes:
eBay generally has hundreds (at least) of used laptops, some over-priced but many pretty reasonable. Last year I needed a cheap laptop for off-site audio recording. I found a used NEC laptop with a 6.4 GIG HD, 10+ inch display, CD drive and USB port. It's only a 233MHz Pentium II but it cost me only $233 and it serves my purposes just fine. I have also used it to transfer and view pictures from my digital camera, although that is not why I originally bought it. Here's the search parameter I used: http://search.ebay.com/laptop_W0QQfr...sortpropertyZ1 Just doing a cursory scan I see that as I was typing this, there was an IBM Thinkpad with a 12.1 inch TFT display and a DVD drive that just went for $299 and a working Toshiba Tecra with 12" screen that just sold for $41. I'm sure you can find something sufficiently cheap. Or close to sufficiently cheap. I'll check it out, and thanks. Charlie Self "Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened." Sir Winston Churchill |
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Lee Gordon writes:
I originally bought it. Here's the search parameter I used: http://search.ebay.com/laptop_W0QQfr...sortpropertyZ1 Just doing a cursory scan I see that as I was typing this, there was an IBM Thinkpad with a 12.1 inch TFT display and a DVD drive that just went for $299 and a working Toshiba Tecra with 12" screen that just sold for $41. I'm sure you can find something sufficiently cheap. Yeah. Lots of stuff using Win98, too, but I'm not sure that can be made to support USB. I think I tossed my ME CD a week or two ago. Worst OS I ever tried, including Mac OS 8. Wish I had time this afternoon to pop into town and see what they've got there. I've got some stuff that might actually make a decent one-to-one swap for a $600 or $800 laptop. Charlie Self "Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened." Sir Winston Churchill |
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Charlie, just my 2 cents but Dell currently has an entry level laptop for
$719. Add the support and it will last you some time. You want to use this thing for video capture from your camera and an older PII may do that now but it will be painfull and won't support you for very long. It's like buying any other tool. If you want to save a few bucks at minimum go with a PIII 800+ mhz system. Memory is pretty cheap to add to these guys these days. You will at least get a few years out of that and should be able to find it for around $400. "Charlie Self" wrote in message ... Lee Gordon writes: I originally bought it. Here's the search parameter I used: http://search.ebay.com/laptop_W0QQfr...sortpropertyZ1 Just doing a cursory scan I see that as I was typing this, there was an IBM Thinkpad with a 12.1 inch TFT display and a DVD drive that just went for $299 and a working Toshiba Tecra with 12" screen that just sold for $41. I'm sure you can find something sufficiently cheap. Yeah. Lots of stuff using Win98, too, but I'm not sure that can be made to support USB. I think I tossed my ME CD a week or two ago. Worst OS I ever tried, including Mac OS 8. Wish I had time this afternoon to pop into town and see what they've got there. I've got some stuff that might actually make a decent one-to-one swap for a $600 or $800 laptop. Charlie Self "Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened." Sir Winston Churchill |
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Charlie Self wrote:
For shooting photos out of my own shop, I'm slowly running up on a need for a method of viewing the shots more fully at the scene. So I started checking used laptop prices, and keep running into a sort of price settling at $700 ($699 plus shipping) to $800 ($799 plus shipping). Checking these out, I find 6, 8, 10 or 12 gig hard drives, Pentium IIIs, max of 128 megs of RAM, few details on USB, lots of CD readers and DVD readers, screens in the 12" range. Just for kicks, I thought I'd check the Dell site, since I've gotten good value from my desktop Dell. Here we go: several of their 1150 models, with Pentium IV, quarter to a half gig of RAM, 20 or 30 or 40 gig hard drive, 14+" screen, CDRW, bunch of other handy stuff, plus XP loaded. Prices start at about $825. Do these smaller outfits have rocks in their heads or are they out there hoping to catch the ever unwary? Add 25 bucks to their prices and get a hard drive that is 4-5 times as large, double or triple the RAM, a faster CPU and a burner, plus other features and they expect to sell stuff. Amazing. Charlie Self "I have always felt that a politician is to be judged by the animosities he excites among his opponents." Sir Winston Churchill Everyone wants a laptop. I have computers that I can't even give away but everyone wants to know when I'm getting a new laptop, there is a wait list to last longer than my lifetime of people wanting me old ones. Be very careful of the Dell 1150 (and maybe others) it has a desktop cpu. My wife bought one and it runs _HOT_. Just sitting on a desk with the screen blank the cpu fan will turn on off every few minutes. Pick up the machine and both cpu fans crank up to full speed shopvac sound level. Its a 2.4GHz machine and with the software load from Dell it ran slower than my 1GHz latitude. I reloaded XP clean on it and its better but still not as fast as it should be. Some of these new cheap laptops are really a rip off, they throw in a fast cpu and huge screen so you have to have a big battery and loose the benefit of portability, but they give it a slow hard disk, slow system bus, slow memory, etc so you loose the benefit of the fast cpu and bug screen. If you want a decent one look for a Latitude, sign in the small business store and if they ask what the business is your an "independent contractor". You will pay the same price buy won't get all the "free" software included so instead you get a better quality system. The computer makers work the same as tool makers, I paid the same for my crapsman router as my PC router, but I got a bunch of accessories with the crapsman and have to buy all the accessories for my PC. But the PC will do a much better job and outlast the crapsman which I wore out in a short time. |
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I've got time yet. Helluva lot more of that than money. I don't need the
machine this year, even, but need to have it ready to go about February or March. Then perhaps you may want to wait a bit. The same money six months down the road will buy you a lot more computer than you'll get today plus there will be a lot more used equipment on the market right after Christmas. |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On 07 Sep 2004 17:15:18 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self) calmly ranted: Larry Blanchard asks: Charlie, do you remember the "lunchbox" computers? Nobody sells them anymore, but at least a couple of years ago you could buy a case with the (small) CRT and build your own. I don't know about battery-powered, but with a converter you could plug it in to your car/truck lighter. Sounds familiar. My first computer was a 'portable' Kaypro 1, but that little thing weighed something like 22 pounds. I did cart it along a couple times, which may be why I wear a 36" sleeve these days. g My dad wrote his (one, not 45 like you) book on a Kaypro II. They were definitely not "laptop" models. The were called "luggables" if memory serves. j4 |
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Shazzamm!
I went away for a couple of weeks and all kinds of cool stuff started happening. You're threatened with a suit from an anonymous asshole - who really isn't all that anonymous. Peoples is telling you to buy a PDA to view photos with - as though a three inch screen is demonstrably better than a two inch screen. Some peoples is encouraging you to buy a used laptop for the same money as a new laptop - because it was better in it's day. Golly - I do love the Wreck. I'd go for that low end Dell and add in a few treats. Pay for the DVD burner, which is cheap as **** if'n you buy it up front and allows you to burn 4.5 gb worth of stuff. Get that extra memory when Dell is running the special on it. Otherwise, buy the aftermarket. It's all about dollars per byte. Akshully, if'n it were me, I'd position myself to eliminate the desktop and spend about two grand on the laptop. Keep the screen you have, if'n it can be color corrected. Get yaself a nice port replicator and you can keep using the keyboard that you like and the mouse that you like - and you will have two screens to work on - which can be a great help. The existing desktop will make a nice storage device - IDE drives are cheap as dirt right now. I work with two screens and would never go back. There is one word of counsel that I would give to you - "Bidness" Do not buy on the Home/Home Office side of the Dell website. If you do, you will be relegated to non-english-speaking-peoples as your resource for customer service/tech support. The "Bidness" side of the Dell website will kick you right into the section where you will deal with Americans who don't speak English - you will be better off - because you will be used to that. I know, it's a slippery slope - you have a target figure for dollars to be spent - get over it. It is way past time that everyone switched to laptops as their main computer - if you don't bite the bullet now - you will bite it bigtime in the future. I think that you could make a good argument for giving your current desktop to a deserving family member - thus giving them somewhat current technology whilst propelling yaself into both currency and beyond. A couple of caveats - if you buy 512mb ram, make sure it is all on one chip - it will cost you more but your upgrade path will be better (same goes for 1gb - I wouldn't buy a box with less than a two gb potential). Second - get a video card that is twice as nice as the best that you could forsee needing (DAMHIKT). Thirdly (I lied) get a bigass hard drive and make it spin at 7200 - you won't regret it. I bought most of the above from Dell for $1750.00 American and I like it a lot. YMMV. yippeee! Regards, Tom. Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.) tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email) http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 |
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On 07 Sep 2004 10:53:06 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self)
wrote: For shooting photos out of my own shop, I'm slowly running up on a need for a method of viewing the shots more fully at the scene. So I started checking used laptop prices, and keep running into a sort of price settling at $700 ($699 plus shipping) to $800 ($799 plus shipping). Checking these out, I find 6, 8, 10 or 12 gig hard drives, Pentium IIIs, max of 128 megs of RAM, few details on USB, lots of CD readers and DVD readers, screens in the 12" range. Charlie, I would also suggest EBay. A few months ago I purchased a Thinkpad PIII, 450 Mhz, 20GB HD and 512 MB RAM, with OS, carrying bag, Ethernet card, etc. for under $400. Looking in Ebay history, the same computer has sold for as low as $350 on occasion. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/wgoffe...oodworking.htm |
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Charlie Self wrote:
For shooting photos out of my own shop, I'm slowly running up on a need for a method of viewing the shots more fully at the scene. WalMart has recently started selling laptops. I haven't looked at them but the price sounds good. See: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=3163026 -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA (Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply) |
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Nah, it's Micro$oft's new OS just for carpenters & woodworkers ... MS Doors
:-p -- Marc Hudson "Swingman" wrote in message ... "Larry Blanchard" wrote in message In article , patriarch says... So, what's the proper OS for a Neander computer user? ;-) DOS 3.1 of course. Unless OS/MFT or Multics will fit on a desktop :-). ... or just load up whatever Babbage was using. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 7/10/04 |
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BruceR wrote:
patriarch wrote: "Swingman" wrote in : snip I've probably owned 6 laptops in the past 12 years, and that is the first one I've not bought used. Personally, I've gone back to using a desktop in a, likely out-of-step, effort to return to more Luddite ways. This commment shows, I guess, how far we've come, when a desktop user feels he's a Luddite. ;-) So, what's the proper OS for a Neander computer user? ;-) The OS is the power tool of computers. The Neander computer provides memory for instruction/data storage and a processor that understands basic machine codes to manipulate the data according to the provided instructions. What more would a Neander need? Of course some would argue that having a processor follow your instructions and manipulate your data is akin to a power tool so the true Neander who makes his own woodworking tools should also by definition make his own processor by hand coding an FPGA or actually building a bit slice. The hard part's finding a working or repairable with reasonable effort machine with lights and switches on the front panel for a reasonable price. -BR Patriarch, who really appreciates the bigger screen on the desktop. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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I know, it's a slippery slope - you have a target figure for dollars
to be spent - get over it. It is way past time that everyone switched to laptops as their main computer Why? Desktop computers are faster, cheaper, upgradeable, and more versatile in configuration and expansion options. |
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"mp" wrote in message
... I know, it's a slippery slope - you have a target figure for dollars to be spent - get over it. It is way past time that everyone switched to laptops as their main computer Why? Desktop computers are faster, cheaper, upgradeable, and more versatile in configuration and expansion options. I agree. Laptops are optimized for one thing: portability. If that's not an interest to you, laptops are a big loser. todd |
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mp responds:
I've got time yet. Helluva lot more of that than money. I don't need the machine this year, even, but need to have it ready to go about February or March. Then perhaps you may want to wait a bit. The same money six months down the road will buy you a lot more computer than you'll get today plus there will be a lot more used equipment on the market right after Christmas. Now, I hadn't thought of the the after-Christmas increase. That's a good idea. Thanks. Charlie Self "Men stumble over the truth from time to time, but most pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened." Sir Winston Churchill |
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
In article , otforme says... Han asks: Why do you want a laptop anyway? If you get a small desktop, ... You're kidding, right? I go to a spot to shoot photos and set up a desktop computer to review them there? Charlie, do you remember the "lunchbox" computers? Nobody sells them anymore, Whaddaya _mean_ "nobody sells them anymore"? http://store.jinco4me.com/luboxco.html If you DAGS "lunchbox computer case" you'll find a lot more. Trouble is they're specialized equipment and thus quite pricey. You can get a damned good laptop for the price of the case alone. but at least a couple of years ago you could buy a case with the (small) CRT and build your own. I don't know about battery-powered, but with a converter you could plug it in to your car/truck lighter. -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Philip Lewis wrote:
otforme (Charlie Self) writes: Lee Gordon writes: eBay generally has hundreds (at least) of used laptops, some over-priced but many pretty reasonable. Last year I needed a cheap laptop for off-site Or close to sufficiently cheap. I'll check it out, and thanks. I'll second ebay... I managed to pick up a PIII-400 4.3 gig dell latitude for $300. I already had an identical system (except hd = 20gig) and wanted a backup. I decided to install netbsd on it and it's become my primary machine. I just wish i could get my card reader to read my CF cards. I'll third it. The Thinkpad 770 that I got off ebay many years ago is now starting college. Just read all the fine print very carefully, check the seller's feedback before you bid, and plan on 200 bucks or so for a new battery--you may not need it in which case you're 200 bucks to the good, but that's not the way to bet. Good luck charlie! -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Charlie Self wrote:
JohnT writes: I'm using a compaq I bought new at Xmas time on a "special" sale that was $700 after rebates at my local CompUSA. 15" screen, 30gig HD, DVD/CD-R, etc, etc. Maybe you need to look around some more, wait for sales, etc. I've got time yet. Helluva lot more of that than money. I don't need the machine this year, even, but need to have it ready to go about February or March. I don't need a 15" screen, either, which is why I'm looking at used laptops, but there's no way I'm paying 65% of new prices for a machine that has to be 3 years old. And that seems to be what a great many of the used sellers are asking. As I said, I haven't had time to check locally, but I'm positive that within a dozen miles, there's only one such store (there's one in Bedford and it's a dozen miles from my house to there). Charlie, if that Bedford is Bedford, MA and you're driving something that doesn't burn up a hundred bucks worth of gas on the trip to Hartford you might want to go by Kaplan Computers http://www.kaplancomputers.com/. He always has used notebooks in stock ranging from dirt cheap and pretty old on up, and usually has several Thinkpads. Not as cheap as the best ebay prices but not bad. Nice thing about Kaplan is that you can see what you're getting before you buy. One thing to watch for with used laptops though, is the battery--if you can't test before you buy then just assume that you're going to have to replace it--that adds 200 bucks or so to the price. Another is the drivers--if it comes with a wiped disk and no recovery disk (usually the case) then you're going to need the device drivers to get it up and fully functional--IBM has drivers for some rather ancient machines up on their site--you can generally count on being able to get drivers for every operating system that was ever supported on that machine. Charlie Self "I have always felt that a politician is to be judged by the animosities he excites among his opponents." Sir Winston Churchill -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:07:36 -0400, Nova
calmly ranted: Charlie Self wrote: For shooting photos out of my own shop, I'm slowly running up on a need for a method of viewing the shots more fully at the scene. WalMart has recently started selling laptops. I haven't looked at them but the price sounds good. See: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=3163026 And the mfgr (for whom Walmart OEMs) is in good company: http://www.notebookcomputers.com/madebywho.asp Interesting. (Note to Tawm: How is Dell's Business service? Home/Office Indian customer support sucks the big, green, rancid one. I spent an entire day helping my neighbor with his Dell and I spent several hours with their people trying to get off the dodgamned mailing list. That taught me to -never- buy a Dell.) ..-. Better Living Through Denial --- http://www.diversify.com Wondrous Website Design |
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In article ,
Charlie Self wrote: Larry Blanchard asks: Charlie, do you remember the "lunchbox" computers? Nobody sells them anymore, but at least a couple of years ago you could buy a case with the (small) CRT and build your own. I don't know about battery-powered, but with a converter you could plug it in to your car/truck lighter. Sounds familiar. My first computer was a 'portable' Kaypro 1, but that little thing weighed something like 22 pounds. I did cart it along a couple times, which may be why I wear a 36" sleeve these days. One 36" sleeve, and one 33" one, right? (like lugging a Speed Graphic As for what's going on with lap-top pricing, The _biggest_ expense factor is the low-power-consumption component selection. And it's pretty much a fixed _amount_ increment over the 'regular power' components. So, the price hit on the higher capacity stuff is _relatively_ smaller. Add in the 'quantity buying' power of the big boys, and it's not surprising that they can market much more impressive specs for 'very little' more money than the little guys. Many people _still_ prefer the little guys, because they have a better idea of what they're getting (component suppliers don't change from week-to-week, depending on who has the better price _today_), and can, many times, specify the precise make/model, etc. of the components they want. |
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In article , mp wrote:
Charlie, do you remember the "lunchbox" computers? Nobody sells them anymore, but at least a couple of years ago you could buy a case with the (small) CRT and build your own. I don't know about battery-powered, but with a converter you could plug it in to your car/truck lighter. You can buy small form factor PC's these days. They're about the size of a loaf of bread. Load them up with whatever components you want, and you have an ultra quiet high-powered portable system. Customers have put them into their boats, RV's, etc. Bah. those are the *BIG* ones. grin I can get a complete 'system on a board' that bolts to the side of a 3-1/2" hard-drive. Same form-factor. needs only a power-supply to drive the motherboard and the disk. If you don't need the big hard-disk, something the size of a pack of playing cards is 'no problem'. Of course, you do have to have keyboard, monitor, and probably mouse. |
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In article ,
Larry Blanchard wrote: In article , patriarch says... So, what's the proper OS for a Neander computer user? ;-) DOS 3.1 of course. Unless OS/MFT or Multics will fit on a desktop :-). Actually, even OS/MVS (non-XA), including SPF, _will_ fit on a desktop. If you've got a "P-370" card, it runs _native_ on the co-processor board. Othewise there is the 'Hercules' emulator, which will run anything from about TOS/360 (that's Tape Operating System -- for sites that couldn't afford rotating mass storage, aka 'disk drives') forward. I think it does XA, and even Z-system. *scary* piece of software. |
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In article ,
Swingman wrote: "Larry Blanchard" wrote in message In article , patriarch says... So, what's the proper OS for a Neander computer user? ;-) DOS 3.1 of course. Unless OS/MFT or Multics will fit on a desktop :-). ... or just load up whatever Babbage was using. Factoid: Lady Lovelace had the software ready, but Babbage never completed the hardware required to run it. |
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In article ,
patriarch patriarch wrote: "Swingman" wrote in : snip I've probably owned 6 laptops in the past 12 years, and that is the first one I've not bought used. Personally, I've gone back to using a desktop in a, likely out-of-step, effort to return to more Luddite ways. This commment shows, I guess, how far we've come, when a desktop user feels he's a Luddite. ;-) So, what's the proper OS for a Neander computer user? ;-) I'm going to have to dig up my copy of the product announcement for "OS/VU" 'virtual universe'. It was noted that start-up was _slow_. the IPL of 'sys1.god' took seven days to complete. System calls to 'non resident galaxies' had a large latency problem. As for the Neanders -- *what* operating system?? In the good ole days, all programs ran 'stand alone'. There *wasn't* any such thing as an operating system -- either the functionality was embedded in your application code, or it didn't exist. Many shops came to have a 'standard library' of routines for basic device functions, that you could merge to your code, as needed. The true Neander is going to 'program on the bare metal' producing direct machine-executable code, handling all required functionality internally, without benefit of an operating system, or even an 'assembler' to do instruction translation. Don't laugh. I've _written_ code under those conditions, myself. |
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Charlie Self wrote: Lee Gordon writes: I originally bought it. Here's the search parameter I used: http://search.ebay.com/laptop_W0QQfr...sortpropertyZ1 Just doing a cursory scan I see that as I was typing this, there was an IBM Thinkpad with a 12.1 inch TFT display and a DVD drive that just went for $299 and a working Toshiba Tecra with 12" screen that just sold for $41. I'm sure you can find something sufficiently cheap. Yeah. Lots of stuff using Win98, too, but I'm not sure that can be made to support USB. I think I tossed my ME CD a week or two ago. Worst OS I ever tried, including Mac OS 8. Win95/SE (second editon) *does* support USB, fwiw. == |
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Charlie ...
Yeah. Lots of stuff using Win98, too, but I'm not sure that can be made to support USB. I think I tossed my ME CD a week or two ago. Worst OS I ever tried, including Mac OS 8. All versions of Win98 support USB. There is even a version of Win95 (version B) that supports USB but it is very basic and somewhat limited. The $300 laptop I bought on eBay came with Win98 installed (not always the case that there is any OS on an eBay machine; it's always wise to check before bidding) and I upgraded it to Win98SE. The upgrade disk was another eBay purchase (about $30). I notice that you are looking for a machine with a 20 GIG hard drive. Most of the eBay machines equipped that way seem to be running in the $450-600 range. Lee -- To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon" |
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"Robert Bonomi" wrote in message
ervers.com... In article , Charlie Self wrote: Lee Gordon writes: I originally bought it. Here's the search parameter I used: http://search.ebay.com/laptop_W0QQfr...sortpropertyZ1 Just doing a cursory scan I see that as I was typing this, there was an IBM Thinkpad with a 12.1 inch TFT display and a DVD drive that just went for $299 and a working Toshiba Tecra with 12" screen that just sold for $41. I'm sure you can find something sufficiently cheap. Yeah. Lots of stuff using Win98, too, but I'm not sure that can be made to support USB. I think I tossed my ME CD a week or two ago. Worst OS I ever tried, including Mac OS 8. Win95/SE (second editon) *does* support USB, fwiw. Slight nit-picking correction. There was no SE version of Win95. You're thinking of Win95 OSR2 (OEM Service Release 2). SE was the second version of Win98. todd |
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Robert Bonomi wrote:
In article , Larry Blanchard wrote: In article , patriarch says... So, what's the proper OS for a Neander computer user? ;-) DOS 3.1 of course. Unless OS/MFT or Multics will fit on a desktop :-). Actually, even OS/MVS (non-XA), including SPF, _will_ fit on a desktop. If you've got a "P-370" card, it runs _native_ on the co-processor board. Othewise there is the 'Hercules' emulator, which will run anything from about TOS/360 (that's Tape Operating System -- for sites that couldn't afford rotating mass storage, aka 'disk drives') forward. I think it does XA, and even Z-system. *scary* piece of software. Especially when you consider that it outperforms the early hardware. -- --John Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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You're quite right. And now I'm not sure _which_ one it was that
introduced USB support -- Win95/OSR2 or Win98/SE. Whichever it was, the splash screen announced 'with USB support'. The OSR2 release for Win95 provided limited USB functionality for a few devices (HID primarily I believe... mice and a few keyboards). Full USB support was in Win98. (Or "fool support" if you're a Linux person talking about Windows...) |
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