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Woodworking Magazine is it worth looking at?
Anyone pick-up a copy of this one yet?
http://www.woodworking-magazine.com/...edate=9/1/2004 Would be interested in hearing what you think of it. Scott |
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No, but just ordered it. Thanks for the headsup. The staff looks capable.
Interesting concept, no subscriptions, no advertising. I guess they just email you when the next issue is available. -- ******** Bill Pounds http://www.billpounds.com "vmtw" wrote in message ... Anyone pick-up a copy of this one yet? http://www.woodworking-magazine.com/...edate=9/1/2004 Would be interested in hearing what you think of it. Scott |
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"Pounds on Wood" wrote in
: No, but just ordered it. Thanks for the headsup. The staff looks capable. Interesting concept, no subscriptions, no advertising. I guess they just email you when the next issue is available. In Issue 2, there is an invitation to become a charter subscriber. Based on what I've seen so far, it's likely worth the money. What to prune from the subscription list is more problematic.... Patriarch |
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On 26 Aug 2004 07:01:00 -0700, (vmtw) wrote:
|Anyone pick-up a copy of this one yet? |http://www.woodworking-magazine.com/...edate=9/1/2004 |Would be interested in hearing what you think of it. What *really* interested me was that they say they have letters and comments from readers in the *first* issue. How they do that? |
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"Wes Stewart" wrote in message ... On 26 Aug 2004 07:01:00 -0700, (vmtw) wrote: |Anyone pick-up a copy of this one yet? |http://www.woodworking-magazine.com/...edate=9/1/2004 |Would be interested in hearing what you think of it. What *really* interested me was that they say they have letters and comments from readers in the *first* issue. How they do that? prerelease issues? alpha and beta testers? |
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I figured the borrowed from Popular Woodworking.
-- ******** Bill Pounds http://www.billpounds.com "Wes Stewart" wrote in message ... On 26 Aug 2004 07:01:00 -0700, (vmtw) wrote: What *really* interested me was that they say they have letters and comments from readers in the *first* issue. How they do that? |
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http://www.woodworking-magazine.com/...edate=9/1/2004
Would be interested in hearing what you think of it. Well, I've picked up several times now, it's ok. It's not a full magazine like Pop Woodworking (who by the way puts it out) or Fine Woodworking. It usually covers one project in depth and teaches around that. There are no ads, hence the "thinness" of the magazine, but I think the projects are recycled from Pop. Woodworking, but wouldn't swear by it. What they cover is good stuff, hence I keep buying it. I'd say you could stop by your local vendor (bookstore, newstand_ and peruse the whole thing in a less then a minute and make up your mind. MJ Wallace |
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"Wes Stewart" wrote in message ... What *really* interested me was that they say they have letters and comments from readers in the *first* issue. Had same question about premier issue of American Router... |
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:14:08 GMT, "patrick conroy"
wrote: | |"Wes Stewart" wrote in message .. . | | What *really* interested me was that they say they have letters and | comments from readers in the *first* issue. | | |Had same question about premier issue of American Router... Similar to the first annual........ |
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What *really* interested me was that they say they have letters and
comments from readers in the *first* issue. How they do that? It's the same publisher and staff as Popular Woodworking so I don't suppose it's too hard to lean over the mail bag and pluck out one or three. UA100 |
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What to prune from the subscription list is more problematic....
And it may get even more so. Woodcraft Magazine is due to debut around Christmastime. Lee -- To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon" |
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What *really* interested me was that they say they have letters and
comments from readers in the *first* issue. How they do that? The editors will usually visit places like this or Wood Central and solicit them. Lee -- To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon" |
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patriarch wrote in
6: "Lee Gordon" wrote in news:g_OdnTWnfpYFI7PcRVn- : What to prune from the subscription list is more problematic.... And it may get even more so. Woodcraft Magazine is due to debut around Christmastime. Lee So what do they think will be their strategic differentiation? BTW, I got a subscription offer from Woodworker's Journal in today's mail. They included those free return mailing labels in the offer, as a sort of an inducement to order. The first line of the address, in place of my name, was 000427098. At least it wasn't 'THX 1138'. Patriarch, feeling like a number.... |
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In article ,
patrick conroy wrote: "Wes Stewart" wrote in message .. . What *really* interested me was that they say they have letters and comments from readers in the *first* issue. Had same question about premier issue of American Router... It's not _really_ all that hard to understand. The Premier issue comes out only after they've gotten high Marx on the Chairman and General Secretary issues. Preliminary trial-balloons are floated under the Minister and Politburo names. And that's the Pravda! Nothing but the Pravda. And you wondered why the introduction of new magazines seems to be so sickle-ic. |
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Lee Gordon wrote:
And it may get even more so. Woodcraft Magazine is due to debut around Christmastime. I just caught a wiff (or is it whiff?) of that today. Shill comes to mind immediately though that's based on half a century (OK, almost) of seeing this sort of thing and having it always come true. UA100, who does think it can't be as bad as Woodworking For Women, now that is a waste of good pulp... |
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Ahah, Orwells' 1984 has arrived!
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:10:06 GMT, patriarch wrote: The first line of the address, in place of my name, was 000427098. |
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Well, I like it alot. I get so sick of glossy ads and slick refrences to
products you know they're getting a kickback on. I don't like tool reviews from people who are getting paid to review them. There's just something yucky about it. Like paying a whore to say I love you. I looked at the first issue and bought the second. I will subscribe. Yes, it feels thin. But they have efficiently and effectively used every sqaure centimeter towards woodworking information. I hope this is a new trend. Woodworking mags of late have certainly taken it as far the other way as they can(I hope, anyway). "vmtw" wrote in message ... Anyone pick-up a copy of this one yet? http://www.woodworking-magazine.com/...edate=9/1/2004 Would be interested in hearing what you think of it. Scott |
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lucky1 babbles:
Well, I like it alot. I get so sick of glossy ads and slick refrences to products you know they're getting a kickback on. I don't like tool reviews from people who are getting paid to review them. There's just something yucky about it. Like paying a whore to say I love you. **** on you too, creep and goodbye. Charlie Self "A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers." H. L. Mencken |
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nospambob responds:
Ahah, Orwells' 1984 has arrived! On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:10:06 GMT, patriarch wrote: The first line of the address, in place of my name, was 000427098. Been here for a couple of decades now, but it's only been allowed to be obvious for a couple of years. Big Brother is watching. Charlie Self "A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers." H. L. Mencken |
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Charlie Self wrote: lucky1 babbles: Well, I like it alot. I get so sick of glossy ads and slick refrences to products you know they're getting a kickback on. I don't like tool reviews from people who are getting paid to review them. There's just something yucky about it. Like paying a whore to say I love you. **** on you too, creep and goodbye. Charlie Self "A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers." H. L. Mencken Gee Charlie Just because he gored your ox he still can have an opinion. |
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Lou Newell babbles:
Well, I like it alot. I get so sick of glossy ads and slick refrences to products you know they're getting a kickback on. I don't like tool reviews from people who are getting paid to review them. There's just something yucky about it. Like paying a whore to say I love you. **** on you too, creep and goodbye. Charlie Self "A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers." H. L. Mencken Gee Charlie Just because he gored your ox he still can have an opinion. Really? To make a statement like that when he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground irritates me. He calls me, and those who do similar work, whores, yucky and thieves. I'd like to know how he "knows" anyone's getting a kickback, for instance. I've been doing this work for along time, but his is the first reference to kickbacks I've heard. That doesn't exactly gore my ox, since I am none of those things, but being called that still ****es me off. Creeps and twits may have opinions. My opinon of them is as valid as theirs is of me, probably more so because it is based on fact. If that bothers you, so be it. Charlie Self "A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers." H. L. Mencken |
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Prune? Blasphemy. Go longer between haircuts.
bob g. patriarch wrote: "Pounds on Wood" wrote in : No, but just ordered it. Thanks for the headsup. The staff looks capable. Interesting concept, no subscriptions, no advertising. I guess they just email you when the next issue is available. In Issue 2, there is an invitation to become a charter subscriber. Based on what I've seen so far, it's likely worth the money. What to prune from the subscription list is more problematic.... Patriarch |
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It was not my intention to offend anyone. But I have the right to say how I
feel towards items sold to the public. I think there are many others who have similar feelings towards these reviews and glossy ad filled mags. Do you want to **** on them, as well? if you would still like to **** on me I'd be glad to send you my address and be available for you to try.I did not mention your name or imply that I was talking about you or anyone else. I didn't call "you" anything. I think you've made an ass of yourself here Charlie and actually gave validity to my opinion. Yet, I'm sure your glossy mag editors who peruse this newsgroup would like to hear more from you. So, please continue, by all means. "Charlie Self" wrote in message ... Lou Newell babbles: Well, I like it alot. I get so sick of glossy ads and slick refrences to products you know they're getting a kickback on. I don't like tool reviews from people who are getting paid to review them. There's just something yucky about it. Like paying a whore to say I love you. **** on you too, creep and goodbye. Charlie Self "A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers." H. L. Mencken Gee Charlie Just because he gored your ox he still can have an opinion. Really? To make a statement like that when he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground irritates me. He calls me, and those who do similar work, whores, yucky and thieves. I'd like to know how he "knows" anyone's getting a kickback, for instance. I've been doing this work for along time, but his is the first reference to kickbacks I've heard. That doesn't exactly gore my ox, since I am none of those things, but being called that still ****es me off. Creeps and twits may have opinions. My opinon of them is as valid as theirs is of me, probably more so because it is based on fact. If that bothers you, so be it. Charlie Self "A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers." H. L. Mencken |
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"lucky1" wrote in message news:5GSXc.194389$8_6.178469@attbi_s04... It was not my intention to offend anyone. But I have the right to say how I ??? You pretty much maligned the integrity of any woodwork author. Or am I missing something around your use of the word "whore"? If you meant to imply that you doubt that the editorial and advertising departments of a magazine are separate but equal... |
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Patrick Controy responds:
"lucky1" wrote in message news:5GSXc.194389$8_6.178469@attbi_s04... It was not my intention to offend anyone. But I have the right to say how I ??? You pretty much maligned the integrity of any woodwork author. Or am I missing something around your use of the word "whore"? If you meant to imply that you doubt that the editorial and advertising departments of a magazine are separate but equal... If the guy didn't intend to offend anyone, why did he make unsupported statements calling them names? He's killfiled. Even if he's not as bad as he sounds, he's too stupid to bother with. Charlie Self "A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers." H. L. Mencken |
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Say there lucky1, what is it you do for a living?
UA100, draftsman... |
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I manage the operations group for a major airline at an international
airport. coordinating fuel, cargo, connections, weight/balance, etc. I answer to my customers, FAA, TSA, DOT, etc. how 'bout yourself? and why do you ask? "Unisaw A100" wrote in message ... Say there lucky1, what is it you do for a living? UA100, draftsman... |
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"lucky1" wrote in
news:cK2Yc.325541$a24.286739@attbi_s03: I manage the operations group for a major airline at an international airport. coordinating fuel, cargo, connections, weight/balance, etc. I answer to my customers, FAA, TSA, DOT, etc. how 'bout yourself? and why do you ask? "Unisaw A100" wrote in message ... Say there lucky1, what is it you do for a living? UA100, draftsman... So are these the same folks that get caught on tape stealing valuables from luggage, he asks, to put a point on the discussion? The ones who cancel flights due to 'equipment problems', when in fact there are simply too few butts in the seats to pay for the flight? Do you begin to sense why some folks get a little miffed when generalisations are applied to entire groups, when only certain 'rotten apples' may in fact, have been accused of malfeasance? Patriarch, defender of truth and light, in my spare time. ;-) |
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lucky1 wrote:
no it doesn't bother me at all. Damn! That one bent the needle on the Horse **** Detector. UA100 |
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calling someone an asshole across the iternet is being a real man?! you want
to be a real man, tough guy? .....that's what I thought. I very much understand they pay for the mags and that's why I am sick of their biased articles/reviews, duh! "Mark Ingram" billybadass@nospam. wrote in message ... wrote= It was not my intention to offend anyone. If you are going to be an asshole, at least be a man about it. FYI, all those 'slick ads' pay for those magazines that you enjoy so much or are you stupid enough to believe they subsist from your piddling subscription? Would you accuse your employees or family of wrong doing based on some half-baked idea in your head or would you bother to find out if it were true first? |
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think what you want. I've been in the industry a while and have heard these
comments over the years and it does not bother me. Maybe they did at one time. do you really have any dog in this argument or are you just going to pick at stupid ****? "Unisaw A100" wrote in message ... lucky1 wrote: no it doesn't bother me at all. Damn! That one bent the needle on the Horse **** Detector. UA100 |
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Out of curiosity, I bought one yesterday: a Woodwooking magazine, that
is. I think it's competive with Fine Woodworking. I have mixed feelings about advertisements. I actually like some advertisements but I don't like too many. I often read the Fine Woodworking classifieds. I liked the article on sharpening chisels. It says the same things you get elsewhere but was written very consisely.... I thought the article reviewing chisels was incomplete. Why weren't some of the high end chisels reviewed (Barr, Japanese varieties, or the new Lie-Nielson's)? I wasn't sure what was meant by "setup time". The back cover was refreshing -- a chisel 101 class. Since I recently bought about 50 board feet of lyptus, I was especially interested in the article on lyptus. The article turned out to be a single page. I was hoping for some advice on lyptus finishes: e.g. shellac versus tung oil, etc. The pictures were good. Looks like they were saving money by making all pictures throughout the magazine in black-and-white. That's not a probem with me but maybe some folks really want color....Had they shouwn some pictures of finishes on lyptus, color pictures would have been a must - perhpas that's why they didn't discuss it???? I'll wait on a few more issues before to evalaute before I subscribe. Fine Woodworking has set the bar pretty high - in my humble opinion.... FYI: It's $5.99. (vmtw) wrote in message m... Anyone pick-up a copy of this one yet? http://www.woodworking-magazine.com/...edate=9/1/2004 Would be interested in hearing what you think of it. Scott |
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think what you want. I've been in the industry a while and have heard these
comments over the years and it does not bother me. Maybe they did at one time. Damn! That one peg it to the other side. UA100 |
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SNIP
Since I recently bought about 50 board feet of lyptus, I was especially interested in the article on lyptus. The article turned out to be a single page. I was hoping for some advice on lyptus finishes: e.g. shellac versus tung oil, etc. The pictures were good. Looks like they were saving money by making all pictures throughout the magazine in black-and-white. That's not a probem with me but maybe some folks really want color....Had they shouwn some pictures of finishes on lyptus, color pictures would have been a must - perhpas that's why they didn't discuss it???? There IS a color picture of lyptus finished three ways on the inside of the front cover. It is shown with a mahogany stain, plain oil (I think) and shellac. It is a small picture, but pretty well shows the impact of each finish on the grain. Dave Hall |
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Reading the preceding thread has shown a stunning level of naiveté, and a
crassness which is usually found only in electrical threads. Now really, does anyone think that Laguna tools is going to come in last in a battle of bandsaws if Laguna has been buying cover 4 for the last 3 years? If so, well, there's little more to be said. Tool reviews in commercial magazines are of limited value. But this fact certainly does not justify broad implications about the nature authors of tool reviews. Jay Knepper "Mark Ingram" billybadass@nospam. wrote in message ... wrote= It was not my intention to offend anyone. If you are going to be an asshole, at least be a man about it. FYI, all those 'slick ads' pay for those magazines that you enjoy so much or are you stupid enough to believe they subsist from your piddling subscription? Would you accuse your employees or family of wrong doing based on some half-baked idea in your head or would you bother to find out if it were true first? |
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Jay Knepper writes:
Reading the preceding thread has shown a stunning level of naiveté, and a crassness which is usually found only in electrical threads. Now really, does anyone think that Laguna tools is going to come in last in a battle of bandsaws if Laguna has been buying cover 4 for the last 3 years? If so, well, there's little more to be said. Tool reviews in commercial magazines are of limited value. Do you really think the Laguna is apt to come in last in a test of bandsaws? Of course tool reviews are of limited use, and for a variety of reasons that have zip to do with advertising. First, possibly foremost, my shop is not your shop. My electrical set-up may be totally different, shop arrangements HAVE to be different (when was the last time you had nine table saws in your shop?), time spent in set-up has to be different (when you test six saws to a deadline, you cannot spend a week of evenings on each saw setting it up and getting all the quirks out of it). Second, when I'm testing, again, I'm working to a deadline. I'm also arranging and shooting photos of the tools. I cannot run 1000 board feet of wood through each function of each tool. I often don't have time to run 10 board feet through. Tools such as planers and table saws are actually pretty easy in this arena, since I generally use a fair amount of oak and cherry from a local sawmill. And I cannot take the time, and won't have the budget, to run 10-15 board feet of teak or lyptus through the tools to see how that kind of treatment works on the particular tool. The tool is going to get assembled and set up as quickly as is possible for safe use. If it is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of adjustment from the factory, then it will get a bit of tune-up time, but otherwise, it is tested OOTB--out of the box. No tweaks. That gives a certain equality to the results, anyway, because the need for a lot of adjustment just to reach parity is going to be mentioned in the article, while the other tools start from an equal footing. I was talking this over with an editor yesterday, and we decided that for all the whines and whimpers, this is probably the best era for hobbyist woodworkers vis a vis tools that has ever existed. You can get it all, from Lie-Nielsen reproductions (and LN improvements along with Veritas improvements) on classical hand tools, but you can also get a wider than ever variety of brands of power tools to add to that, with a greater than ever variety of power tools. And most of those tools are of good or better quality, with much the lower end stuff halfway decent starter tools at almost no investment (though I've got to admit that a $40 CMS would find me standing WELL to one side on start-up, not just the first time, but every time). As time has passed, lower level tools have been improved. There are still "engineering" glitches that are surprising in some, alignment problems that may be easy, or impossible, to fix and a host of other possible problems. But the operative word, I think, is "possible". Most of what you'll find out there is workable, some of it is quite good, and some of it is excellent (Laguna bandsaws tend to fall in the latter category, and most often get tested with other tools in the same category). I've hammered, and seen hammered, too many large advertisers' products over the years to believe that many of the writers in the field are going easy because a company buys five or six or eight pages of ads per month in a particular magazine. And in the years I've been doing this work, I have never had an editor to tell me to favor an advertised tool over a non-advertised tool, or to favor a tool that doesn't deserve. The actual deal is usually, "Tell my readers what features the tools have and how well those features work." Tool tests serve their purpose if they give the reader an overview of many (sometimes not even most) of the brands out there, their prices and where those prices fit in the general range of the category, their ease of assembly (or lack of ease) and adjustment, their suitability for doing the jobs considered normal for the category, and the likelihood they'll keep doing those jobs for a reasonable length of time. If you expect detailed 10,000 bf use tests of each tool, or even in each category, then you're wasting your time. Personally, I consider them a little like vehicle tests, which are done differently at Road & Track than they are at Consumer Reports. I'm maybe not in the market for a vehicle from either end of that spectrum, but the tests themselves may prove of value in finding out which vehicles fit into those particular areas. Use the tests as another way of gathering information on the tools you want or need. And realize that they're not, and can't be, complete, and you'll come away a lot happer. Read multiple tool tests and decide. I've differed with some magazines as to features that are valuable...Pop. Woodworking, for example, likes higher speed (ca. 3400 rpm) benchtop mortisers; I prefer ca. 1700 rpm machines. The difference is fundamental, and based on a desire, or lack of desire, for speed in producing mortises in a hobbyist's setting (a pro is not going to be using a benchtop mortiser after about the second item he builds with it). I like slow and no burn of material or tool (tool does not turn blue, in other words0. PW likes fast and accepts occasional burn. With patience, the slow machine does not stall out. With patience and a penchant for sharpening bits greater than mine, the fast machine won't burn materials, and will seldom blue a chisel or bit to the point of non-utility. To get called, among other things, a liar and a whore by some horse's butt (speaking of the OP here) who has no familiarity with magazine production, magazine writing, tool production, tool testing and a host of other needed bits of information, is irritating. When I call a politician names, I usually have some information other than the fact that he's in elected office. It would be nice to get the same courtesy, though I do realize people "who don't intend to hurt anyone" and who make such comments are not bright enough to understand that. Charlie Self "A judge is a law student who marks his own examination papers." H. L. Mencken |
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Yes Dave, you are correct - there is a color picture. Unfortunately
it's tiny and difficult to see anything but the general color as seen from afar. (David Hall) wrote in message ... SNIP Since I recently bought about 50 board feet of lyptus, I was especially interested in the article on lyptus. The article turned out to be a single page. I was hoping for some advice on lyptus finishes: e.g. shellac versus tung oil, etc. The pictures were good. Looks like they were saving money by making all pictures throughout the magazine in black-and-white. That's not a probem with me but maybe some folks really want color....Had they shouwn some pictures of finishes on lyptus, color pictures would have been a must - perhpas that's why they didn't discuss it???? There IS a color picture of lyptus finished three ways on the inside of the front cover. It is shown with a mahogany stain, plain oil (I think) and shellac. It is a small picture, but pretty well shows the impact of each finish on the grain. Dave Hall |
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