I just did a quick look in this group to see if anyone has discussed
this magazine before and I couldn't find any posts. (that may be a
statement of my newsgroup skills not a definitive "it isn't here"
position)

Anyway, stumbling through a Barnes & Noble this week, I came across
a "new" magazine. "Woodworking Magazine." The printed bar-code
block carries the "Popular Woodworking" name, along with a $4.99
U.S. price.

It bills itself as the Spring 2004 issue, and states you can
preorder the next issue, the Fall 2004 issue for $7.00. The Fall
issue will be the second publication of 2004 and is promised out in
July. Those are the only two issues planned for 2004. No
subscriptions are being offered at this time.

Their web site is www.woodworking-magazine.com and forecasts "Coming
Soon."

Steve Shanesy is the Editor & Publisher. Shanesy and the masthead
staff have e-mail addresses at @fwpubs.com. Google has no listing
for fwpubs.com. The magazine says they are F&W Publications Inc.,
in Cincinnati, Ohio. They state they are a sister publication to
Popular Woodworking.

No advertisements! The only commercial tidbit is a small block of
text recommending the book "Reverence for Wood" by Eric Sloane.
This small blurb was signed by Christopher Schartz, Executive Editor
of the magazine.

The magazine articles are basic stuff. Fundamental. Articles like
"Cut Accurate and Clean Rabbets," Making Stub-tenon Doors," Shaker
Hanging Cabinet," and similar. The articles seem well written and
contain both photos and drawings in black and white, - no color.
Only the covers, front and back, both sides use color. (The
format/layout kind of reminds me of the "Cooks Illustrated" magazine
a few years ago.)

Not a bad first attempt. Pretty good, I think. They have some work
to do. They say they will have a free e-mail newsletter but that
must be a future project since the web site is unavailable to
sign-up.

Jack
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John Flatley notes:

I just did a quick look in this group to see if anyone has discussed
this magazine before and I couldn't find any posts. (that may be a
statement of my newsgroup skills not a definitive "it isn't here"
position)

Anyway, stumbling through a Barnes & Noble this week, I came across
a "new" magazine. "Woodworking Magazine." The printed bar-code
block carries the "Popular Woodworking" name, along with a $4.99
U.S. price.

It bills itself as the Spring 2004 issue, and states you can
preorder the next issue, the Fall 2004 issue for $7.00. The Fall
issue will be the second publication of 2004 and is promised out in
July. Those are the only two issues planned for 2004. No
subscriptions are being offered at this time.


small snip

Steve Shanesy is the Editor & Publisher. Shanesy and the masthead
staff have e-mail addresses at @fwpubs.com. Google has no listing
for fwpubs.com. The magazine says they are F&W Publications Inc.,
in Cincinnati, Ohio. They state they are a sister publication to
Popular Woodworking.


Steve is editor & publisher of PW, while Chris (Schwarz) is EE there, too. Not
exactly neophytes. I forget how long they've been there, Steve a bit longer,
IIRC.

Not a bad first attempt. Pretty good, I think. They have some work
to do.

Good to know there's a new mag coming out. I'll see if I can locate a copy
around here.

Another note: look for fwpublications.com, not fwpubs.

Charlie Self
"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is
sure."
Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html

Charlie,

Thanks for the pointer to www.fwpublications.com. F+W lists
"Popular Woodworking" as their only woodworking magazine. That may
just mean the mother ship has not been updated. Maybe "Woodworking
Magazine" is just a pilot project, that could explain why
www.fwpubs.com is not active yet.

Actually pilot project can be used to explain many faults in the
first issue. I haven't finished this issue yet and I'm already
waiting for the July issue. Just a fish on the hook.

Good potential, good promise. The lack of ads really shines the
light on the articles. No distractions. But that's okay, I
subscribe to Fine Woodworking for the ads anyway. :-)

Jack

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"Charlie Self" wrote in message
...
John Flatley notes:

I just did a quick look in this group to see if anyone has
discussed
this magazine before and I couldn't find any posts. (that may be
a
statement of my newsgroup skills not a definitive "it isn't here"
position)

Anyway, stumbling through a Barnes & Noble this week, I came
across
a "new" magazine. "Woodworking Magazine." The printed bar-code
block carries the "Popular Woodworking" name, along with a $4.99
U.S. price.

It bills itself as the Spring 2004 issue, and states you can
preorder the next issue, the Fall 2004 issue for $7.00. The Fall
issue will be the second publication of 2004 and is promised out
in
July. Those are the only two issues planned for 2004. No
subscriptions are being offered at this time.


small snip

Steve Shanesy is the Editor & Publisher. Shanesy and the
masthead
staff have e-mail addresses at @fwpubs.com. Google has no
listing
for fwpubs.com. The magazine says they are F&W Publications
Inc.,
in Cincinnati, Ohio. They state they are a sister publication to
Popular Woodworking.


Steve is editor & publisher of PW, while Chris (Schwarz) is EE
there, too. Not
exactly neophytes. I forget how long they've been there, Steve a
bit longer,
IIRC.

Not a bad first attempt. Pretty good, I think. They have some
work
to do.

Good to know there's a new mag coming out. I'll see if I can
locate a copy
around here.

Another note: look for fwpublications.com, not fwpubs.

Charlie Self
"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then
success is
sure."
Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html

In article , "John E. Flatley, Jr." wrote:

I subscribe to Fine Woodworking for the ads anyway. :-)

You don't read it, you only look at the pictures, huh?

I pick up a copy at Raleys grocery store today. I like it and the fact that
it has no advertising.


"John E. Flatley, Jr." wrote in message
...
I just did a quick look in this group to see if anyone has discussed
this magazine before and I couldn't find any posts. (that may be a
statement of my newsgroup skills not a definitive "it isn't here"
position)

Anyway, stumbling through a Barnes & Noble this week, I came across
a "new" magazine. "Woodworking Magazine." The printed bar-code
block carries the "Popular Woodworking" name, along with a $4.99
U.S. price.

It bills itself as the Spring 2004 issue, and states you can
preorder the next issue, the Fall 2004 issue for $7.00. The Fall
issue will be the second publication of 2004 and is promised out in
July. Those are the only two issues planned for 2004. No
subscriptions are being offered at this time.


No advertisements!

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
m...
In article , "John E. Flatley,
Jr." wrote:

I subscribe to Fine Woodworking for the ads anyway. :-)

You don't read it, you only look at the pictures, huh?

Only the color pictures. And only the ones that haven't been
airbrushed. :-)

Jack

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I pick up a copy at Raleys grocery store today. I like it and the fact
that
it has no advertising.

I'd imagine that would start changing after a few issues.
That is where magazines make all their profits, unless they have a huge
subscriber number.


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It still would be odd if they had ZERO ads if they plan on soliciting
them in the future. Shopsmith/Notes survive without ads, and
Shopsmith just expanded their mag by 40%. :-) :-)

Joe
Another woodrag junkie (where can I get help?)







I pick up a copy at Raleys grocery store today. I like it and the fact
that
it has no advertising.

I'd imagine that would start changing after a few issues.
That is where magazines make all their profits, unless they have a huge
subscriber number.


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Well, I called to see if I could subscribe and they are not taking
subscriptions yet. However, they will mail you a copy of the first
issue for $8.00, all in.

Call 513.531.2690 and ask for Betty.

Joe




I pick up a copy at Raleys grocery store today. I like it and the fact
that
it has no advertising.

I'd imagine that would start changing after a few issues.
That is where magazines make all their profits, unless they have a huge
subscriber number.


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- Delta Universal Tenoning Jig
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May be getting into this thread late and most of what follows
may have been covered but here goes

Thoughts after going through some more of the premiere issue of
Woodworking Magazine

I pick up just about every woodworking magazine I find on the shelves
during my twice a month visit to the local Barnes and Noble bookstore.
There are almost a dozen different woodworking magazine titles on my
shop library book shelves. In each issue of each magazine I usually
find at least one gem that made the purchase worth it, though I note a
great deal of duplication and I’d swear that the editors are either
lurkers in, or participating members of, rec.woodworking.. A recent
thread on lock miter router bits and their uses - the next issue of
several woodworking magazines have multi-page articles on setting up and
using lock miter bits. A question about distinguishing the various
types of varnish - an article on the subject, with photos of how a small
puddle of how they look when dry being used to identify which is which.

Most of the magazines take a shotgun approach to their articles
selection - a three pager on plunge routers, an article on a finishing
method, an article about joinery and maybe something using a bandsaw or
lathe. And scattered throughout - ads, lots of ads. Many even have an
index of advertisers - convenient for the advertiser to find
his/her/their ad as well as for the reader trying to find a supplier for
hardware or some tool.

Most of the magazines have lots of photos and a diagram or two, some
quite good and some just adequate. Some magazines have great
illustrators and some have pretty good photographers. Most have pretty
good writers as well. But when I really go through an article I come
away wishing the photos or the diagrams or the text filled in most, if
not all the gaps each one had. And it would be nice to not have to wade
through pages of ads to get to the next page of an article

Surprisingly, despite the word “wood” in their titles, most wood working
magazines don’t devote much space to wood. If they do anything on the
subject it’s usually technical - how it works, how much it moves, how it
takes a finish. What it looks like and what I’ll call its personality
are seldom if ever mentioned. But it’s wood we all use and the right
wood for a project can make all the difference in the
esthetics/look/feel of the finished piece, be it a pedestal, CD cabinet,
table or chair. The right wood, used the right way can make a fair
piece much better and a good piece a really nice piece.

So when I picked up what turns out to be the premiere issue of
Woodworking Magazine the first thing I noticed was the photograph of a
beautiful, simple wall hung cabinet with shaker boxes on a table top
below it. To the left, on a white background, was clean legible text of
what’s inside. No need to search the cover to get a feel for what’s
inside.

But the magazine was “so thin” -just 32 pages plus the front and back
covers - another ShopNotes?

Inside the cover - THE INDEX - Now that’s refreshing. No searching
amongst the first 8 or 10 pages of ads to find it. No multiple indexes
to try and find. Just one easy to find, easy to read and look at index
with enough info to let you know what’s covered.

Page 1 - Listen to Your Lumber - the editor & publisher puts wood right
up front on the very first page. And his wood talks to him too. I
thought I was the only nut that had conversations with wood (here’s how
some of those conversations went - all one line so watch the line wrap )

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/...sWithWood.html

In the middle of that editorial a quote
“Each plank . . . can have only one ideal use. The woodworker must
find this ideal use and create an object of utility to man, and, if
nature smiles, an object of lasting beauty.” - George Nakashima

Now I’m one of those people who wants to know not only how to do
something, but also why. Not just the mechanics and physics of why this
method is better than that method in this application, but how does this
fit with the other parts - to make a coherent, functional and beautiful
piece of whatever “it” is. What’s going on not only in the hands using
the tools, but in the mind guiding things.

It seems that article writers are given a rule book when they become
professional writers for woodworking books or magazines. One of those
rules is Never Use The Word “I” and NEVER let on that the writer has
discovered anything for themselves that seems to fly in the face of
“common knowledge’ or more likely, was a tried and true method a hundred
years or more prior to the first power tool. There also seems to be a
taboo about stating that what follows is the writer’s opinion.

The first article “Cut Accurate and Clean Rabbets” breaks most of the
rules.
“I consider this a technique that’s best for ...”

“The router table was my first choice for a couple of reasons ...” and
he goes on to list his reasons.

Four pages with tip packed text and explanations of why this method
works better than several alternative methods, clear black and white
photos to illustrate key points in the article - with accompanying text
right below each photo so you don't have to search for the photos text
amongst evert=ything else on the page. Nice.

As I jumped around reading articles - the way I normally go through a
woodworking magazine - I noticed the articles were directly related to
the two projects in the magazine. - hanging cabinets - one being the
Shaker cabinet on the cover and a similar sized small tool cabinet.
What you learned in the “how to - and why” articles - you used in the
projects.
What a concept - a magazine with a coherent theme full of useful
information that gets applied in not one but two projects that anyone
with a basic woodshop could make over a weekend - excluding finishing
time of course.

The last article “Bad Treehouse & Good Medicine” capped off the old
adage - “Always leave them laughing” and was in the Walt Akers tradition
of humor but without Helga. “The last thing I remember before the plank
planted itself into my face was the smell of fresh wood.” This tale ends
with a nice twist - one I’ll not divulge.

The inside of the back cover has Questions about Woodworking Magazine
which the folks who did this magazine explain their goals and
objectives, explaining why there are not ads and how to subscribe. Next
to that is the “what’s coming next” info.

The icing on the cake was the back cover where the big full page ad is
normally found.Instead there’s a nice “suitable for framing - or
laminating” useful Screws Chart with clear images, dimensions, pilot
hole sizes, driver sizes, clearance hole diameters etc.

Relative to the shelf price of most wood working magazines, the $4.99
cover price of this premiere issue of Woodworking Magazine is a real
deal. When you remove all the ads from others “90 plus pages” on the
market you end up with maybe 40 pages of actual articles scattered in
all the ads. The fact that all the articles were directly related to
the two projects in the issue is more valuable to me than 40 or 50 pages
of stuff of which only 5 pages of interest to me. The fact that the
editor and publisher obviously loves wood and woodworking gives me hope
for the magazine’s future.

Next issue due in July will be $7 US - may be my first subscription to a
wood working magazine. It looks like it will be another set of articles
around the project them - a classic cherry side table. I think Fine
Wood Working started out something like this. Though still a pretty
good magazine, the changes in direction over the last few years haven’t
IMHO been that good. Will have to see about this new and promising
magazine.

charlie b

"charlie b" wrote in message
...
It seems that article writers are given a rule book when they become
professional writers for woodworking books or magazines. One of those
rules is Never Use The Word "I" and NEVER let on that the writer has
discovered anything for themselves that seems to fly in the face of
"common knowledge' or more likely, was a tried and true method a hundred
years or more prior to the first power tool. There also seems to be a
taboo about stating that what follows is the writer's opinion.

I'm a technical writer Charlie and the "I" thing, specifically not using it,
was one of the first things drummed into me when I was taking courses.
You're not supposed to insert any personal opinion into the text that you
write and you're not supposed to allude to any personal involvement at all.
It's the industry standard and maybe it needs changing, but that's not going
to be easy. To tell the truth it's a pain in the butt, because I'm
opinionated and outspoken when I can get away with it. Possibly, I've chosen
the wrong profession, but it means that if I'm going to be successful as a
technical writer, I'm doomed to roaming the newsgroups as a means of
releasing pressure.

Like charlie b and others I also bought the premiere issue
of Woodworking Magazine and here is what I found.

It has some great articles.
It has some good articles.
It has some bad articles.

To make a long review short, I will be buying Issue II.

UA100

Upscale mentions:

It seems that article writers are given a rule book when they become
professional writers for woodworking books or magazines. One of those
rules is Never Use The Word "I" and NEVER let on that the writer has
discovered anything for themselves that seems to fly in the face of
"common knowledge' or more likely, was a tried and true method a hundred
years or more prior to the first power tool. There also seems to be a
taboo about stating that what follows is the writer's opinion.

I'm a technical writer Charlie and the "I" thing, specifically not using it,
was one of the first things drummed into me when I was taking courses.
You're not supposed to insert any personal opinion into the text that you
write and you're not supposed to allude to any personal involvement at all.
It's the industry standard and maybe it needs changing, but that's not going
to be easy.

I do technical writing--tool manuals--as well as magazine articles and books:
it's a whole different field. Hell, a lot of companies even have their own
language structure (never use "the" for instance: i.e., Blade spring goes
in...., instead of The blade bolt goes in...). Pictures may be cropped to a
single size throughout the text, no matter the detail needed over a wide area.

I don't believe I've ever had an editor tell me not to use "I", nor have I
found one who wanted me to not express my personal opinion. At least not in the
last decade or so.

To tell the truth it's a pain in the butt, because I'm
opinionated and outspoken when I can get away with it. Possibly, I've chosen
the wrong profession, but it means that if I'm going to be successful as a
technical writer, I'm doomed to roaming the newsgroups as a means of
releasing pressure.

Try writing articles. But they don't release any pressure that I've noticed.

And, regardless of whether or not one person likes a style and method of
magazine layout, there is a method to that madness, which is to attract as wide
a variety of customers as possible. Now, Charlie B likes the one project theme,
a method Woodsmith has used successfully for a long time, also without
advertising. I like it, too, but that becomes a PITA when at any particular
time, I don't have ANY interest in building a cherry, or walnut or ipe, end
table in a particular pattern. And as far as wood "talking" to the writer,
sure. it does. Each board tends to have a particular spot in a project where it
will look best. But in many cases the project is not ruined, but only set down
a bit, if the board is used elsewhere. As far as having discussions of wood in
every issue, well, I think some more information on wood in general in each
issue of at least one major magazine is an excellent idea. But we won't see
much conversation with wood in those articles. What I'd love to see, and take
part in, is a series of articles using 2-3-4 woods to build a small project (or
not so small). Describing not the project, but the wood and its reaction to
being cut, chiseled, planed, glued up, scraped, sanded, filled (or not),
finished and similar needs. Do that with maybe 2-3 woods per issue for a couple
years and you'd have a great, great compendium of practical results that could
be clipped out and punched and kept in the shop in a binder.

There would be a lot of similarities, but doing a hands on check of each wood
also tells exactly what of the wood's reputation is deserved or not. Probably
not possible, but it would be nice to take each article right from the rough
boards out. How does it power plane? How does it hand plane? Can you cut
dovetails in it with ease, or is it as compressible as pine, giving rough cuts
without super-sharp chisels? Does ir rip cleanly? Does it burn at slow feed
speeds in power cutting? Does it burn at fast feed speeds in power cutting?
Does it fuzz on sanding? There are at least 3 dozen questions that could be
answer empirically that we think we already know the answers to. We may. We may
not. Check and see. It's probably impossible to test each and every filler/wood
combination going for finishes, or the use of particular finishes, but...

Oh. A quick note on Charlie's feeling the editors of magazines watch and react
to the rec. I'm sure they do, but seeing something on here and seeing an
article on the subject two or three or four or five weeks alter in the magazine
does not mean that's one of the reactions. Magazine lead time--between idea to
finish--is more on the order of 3 months, not 3 weeks.


Charlie Self
"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other
way." Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html

"Unisaw A100" wrote in message
...
Like charlie b and others I also bought the premiere issue
of Woodworking Magazine and here is what I found.

It has some great articles.
It has some good articles.
It has some bad articles.

To make a long review short, I will be buying Issue II.

UA100

I spent 15 years in print media, so I look at Woodworking from a different
angle. I'm afraid that it isn't going to find a niche in a crowded field. $7
per issue of a "thin" magazine (ads or no ads, it's a perception) may price
it out of sight for the beginner, the guy who is in the target audience. The
book is very well designed, good paper stock, nice photos well-reproduced,
and easy to use. But nowhere does it say "for the beginner" and its very
look and feel may lead a potential buyer to think it's beyond them. It just
didn't seem to have much meat. Of course these are just my opinions--I'll be
buying #2 also.

Bob

On 06 Feb 2004 10:16:23 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self)
brought forth from the murky depths:

Oh. A quick note on Charlie's feeling the editors of magazines watch and react
to the rec. I'm sure they do, but seeing something on here and seeing an
article on the subject two or three or four or five weeks alter in the magazine
does not mean that's one of the reactions. Magazine lead time--between idea to
finish--is more on the order of 3 months, not 3 weeks.

True, and letters to the editors seldom, if ever, show up in
less than 2 months. So what was the URL to that new mag?


"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other
way." Mark Twain

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Larry Jaques asks:
So what was the URL to that new mag?

Just bought a copy, so: woodworking-magazine.com.

Charlie Self
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way." Mark Twain
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Bob Schmall responds:

I spent 15 years in print media, so I look at Woodworking from a different
angle. I'm afraid that it isn't going to find a niche in a crowded field. $7
per issue of a "thin" magazine (ads or no ads, it's a perception) may price
it out of sight for the beginner, the guy who is in the target audience. The
book is very well designed, good paper stock, nice photos well-reproduced,
and easy to use. But nowhere does it say "for the beginner" and its very
look and feel may lead a potential buyer to think it's beyond them. It just
didn't seem to have much meat. Of course these are just my opinions--I'll be
buying #2 also.

And find another store. Buying Canadian is painful. My issue, just bought,
lists at $4.99, which means about $4.49 at WalMart. Canadian bucks run it up to
$7.99.

The articles seem to me to be basic, but thorough. I like the shelf support
basics, though they left out a couple you can make that are a lot nicer than
the boughten kind. The piece on stub tenon doors is about as complete as such
a piece can get, very nicely photographed. I like the chisel/plane hanging box.
I'm not really fond of the piece on short rules, probably because I almost
never use a 6" rule. Or possibly because it's a bit over-complete for what it's
about. Haven't had time to do much with the rest, but i'll be buying issue #2
as well...but, then again, if it's going to $7, maybe not. Or is that just for
the pre-order? Is it going to stay $4.99 on the newsstands?

Charlie Self
"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other
way." Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html

On 06 Feb 2004 17:40:34 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self)
brought forth from the murky depths:

Larry Jaques asks:
So what was the URL to that new mag?

Just bought a copy, so: woodworking-magazine.com.

"coming soon" is the entire content of that URL.


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Where did you guys find it in Milwaukee? I had to order mine.

Also, I notice you both use your wi.rr.com accounts without screwing
them up. I've been afraid to use mine for fear of spam. Does Time
Warner do a good job of filtering, or what are you doing special?

Joe




"Bob Schmall" wrote in message ...
"Unisaw A100" wrote in message
...
Like charlie b and others I also bought the premiere issue
of Woodworking Magazine and here is what I found.

It has some great articles.
It has some good articles.
It has some bad articles.

To make a long review short, I will be buying Issue II.

UA100

I spent 15 years in print media, so I look at Woodworking from a different
angle. I'm afraid that it isn't going to find a niche in a crowded field. $7
per issue of a "thin" magazine (ads or no ads, it's a perception) may price
it out of sight for the beginner, the guy who is in the target audience. The
book is very well designed, good paper stock, nice photos well-reproduced,
and easy to use. But nowhere does it say "for the beginner" and its very
look and feel may lead a potential buyer to think it's beyond them. It just
didn't seem to have much meat. Of course these are just my opinions--I'll be
buying #2 also.

Bob

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:58:35 GMT, "Bob Schmall"
brought forth from the murky depths:

"Unisaw A100" wrote in message
Like charlie b and others I also bought the premiere issue
of Woodworking Magazine and here is what I found.
-snip-
To make a long review short, I will be buying Issue II.

didn't seem to have much meat. Of course these are just my opinions--I'll be
buying #2 also.

I'll be driving down to Medford to purchase issue #1 tomorrow.
(Gotskta make a Costco run anyway.) It sounds like a winner!


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Larry Jaques responds:


Larry Jaques asks:
So what was the URL to that new mag?

Just bought a copy, so: woodworking-magazine.com.

"coming soon" is the entire content of that URL.

Ees not my yob!

Charlie Self
"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other
way." Mark Twain
http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html

BIG JOE wrote:
Where did you guys find it in Milwaukee? I had to order mine.

Pic 'N Save on Capitol and A Hunnert and Twenty Forth
Street.

Also, I notice you both use your wi.rr.com accounts without screwing
them up. I've been afraid to use mine for fear of spam. Does Time
Warner do a good job of filtering, or what are you doing special?

I use my delete key.

UA100

"BIG JOE" wrote in message
om...
Where did you guys find it in Milwaukee? I had to order mine.

Pick 'n Save in Mukwonago.

Also, I notice you both use your wi.rr.com accounts without screwing
them up. I've been afraid to use mine for fear of spam. Does Time
Warner do a good job of filtering, or what are you doing special?

We get all kinds of free updates from Mikrosoft. Easy to recognize, and they
come with a virus alert. Otherwise, they do a pretty good job.

Bob

http://www.woodworking-magazine.com/

working as of Friday evening 7:11 pm pst

On 06 Feb 2004 22:54:33 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self)
brought forth from the murky depths:

Larry Jaques responds:


Larry Jaques asks:
So what was the URL to that new mag?

Just bought a copy, so: woodworking-magazine.com.

"coming soon" is the entire content of that URL.

Ees not my yob!

It was up by 4pm this afternoon, surprisingly enough.
There's not much info on there but you can order a
copy.


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Larry Jaques responds:
It was up by 4pm this afternoon, surprisingly enough.
There's not much info on there but you can order a
copy.

Got it now. No advertising is a policy to allow them to speak freely. Sounds
good. I have to wonder a wee bit, though, if non-advertisers in Woodworking who
get nailed aren't going to do a job on Pop. Woodworking by pulling their ads
there. That one is going to be a tightrope.

Some caution with upcoming issues. One more this year, due out in July. I
signedup for the newsletter to keep track of things.

Charlie Self
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you
nothing. It was here first." Mark Twain

http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html

otforme (Charlie Self) wrote
I have to wonder a wee bit, though, if non-advertisers in Woodworking who
get nailed aren't going to do a job on Pop. Woodworking by pulling their ads
there. That one is going to be a tightrope.
I don't know, F+W Pubs. is pretty darn big; Woodworking probably has a
5-yr. budget already allocated. Besides most advertisers aren't going
to cut off
their nose to spite their face -- if the ads produce in Pop. Wood.,
they'll
likely stay regardless.
my $.015.

Cheers,
Gary