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I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking
around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? |
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On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 20:55:25 -0400, Meanie wrote:
I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? Nope. |
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On 3/23/2018 7:55 PM, Meanie wrote:
I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? "Get by?" Sure; you've gotten by w/o either so for, right? As for how satisfactorily, that's another question and mostly dependent upon what you intend to actually try to do. Starting w/ roughsawn from the mill without milling will be the death of the sander in short order unless you invest in serious industrial unit and then you'd be having to switch belt grits to do rough "planing" to finish sanding. If you only use surfaced material and don't need to change actual stock dimensions significantly, "maybe"... -- |
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Meanie wrote:
I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? A vertical sander? A horizontal drum sander performs a similar function as a planer. Before any one can advise you on which to get you must first tell us why you want either one. |
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On 3/24/2018 12:09 AM, Leon wrote:
Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? A vertical sander? A horizontal drum sander performs a similar function as a planer. Before any one can advise you on which to get you must first tell us why you want either one. I meant horizontal. Main reason is to even out the "plane" after gluing boards together for a larger piece. |
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On 3/23/2018 11:54 PM, dpb wrote:
On 3/23/2018 7:55 PM, Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? "Get by?"Â* Sure; you've gotten by w/o either so for, right? As for how satisfactorily, that's another question and mostly dependent upon what you intend to actually try to do.Â* Starting w/ roughsawn from the mill without milling will be the death of the sander in short order unless you invest in serious industrial unit and then you'd be having to switch belt grits to do rough "planing" to finish sanding. If you only use surfaced material and don't need to change actual stock dimensions significantly, "maybe"... -- I've gotten by because I haven't done major projects. I'm still, IMO, amateur status. I want to expand to bigger projects and I think it'll be advantageous to have, though, you bring up good points about the workload and lifespan of the sander. |
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"Meanie" wrote in message news I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I've "gotten by" like that for the last quarter century. I buy only rough lumber and I have no desire for a planer. Yes, skinnying down a board on a horizontal drum sander takes longer but not all that much and you wind up with a perfectly smooth, undinged board. It is great for getting rid of lippage on glued up panels not to mention the considerable utility in being able to gang sand numerous narrow boards on edge to a uniform width. My Performax sander has gotten MUCH use over the last 25 years and the only thing ever replaced were transport belts. No repairs ever necessary either. IOW, whoever told you it wouldn't last knows not of what they speak |
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"dadiOH" wrote in message news "Meanie" wrote in message news I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I've "gotten by" like that for the last quarter century. I buy only rough lumber and I have no desire for a planer. Yes, skinnying down a board on a horizontal drum sander takes longer but not all that much and you wind up with a perfectly smooth, undinged board. It is great for getting rid of lippage on glued up panels not to mention the considerable utility in being able to gang sand numerous narrow boards on edge to a uniform width. My Performax sander has gotten MUCH use over the last 25 years and the only thing ever replaced were transport belts. No repairs ever necessary either. IOW, whoever told you it wouldn't last knows not of what they speak If you get one, you will HAVE to have a dust collector. A shop vac will work but not very well and will be a PITA. |
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On 3/24/2018 7:56 AM, dadiOH wrote:
.... IOW, whoever told you it wouldn't last knows not of what they speak 'Twas I, and 'pends largely on how one treats it...and the Performax's are pretty well built. I've done both as well and still far prefer having the planer for roughing work; of course I've a PM Model 180 and Model 13 Rockwell/Delta, not just a benchtop so I'm used to seriously planing as opposed to just nibbling... -- |
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On 3/24/2018 7:59 AM, dadiOH wrote:
If you get one, you will HAVE to have a dust collector. A shop vac will work but not very well and will be a PITA. So true, dat...meant to add that earlier; glad you did think to... -- |
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On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 8:37:54 PM UTC-5,
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 20:55:25 -0400, I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? Nope. As others have said, "It all depends on how you are going to use it." If you get your stock directly from the mill, or local sawyer, its a whole lot quicker to get it to the desired thickness with a planer than a sander. IF all you have left is a piece of 6/4 stock and you need a piece of 4/4, getting rid of that half inch will take a long time one fleck at a time. In my shop, as much as I "think" I would like to have a sander, I neither have room for it, nor can see a compelling need. |
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On 3/24/18 7:56 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"Meanie" wrote in message news I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I've "gotten by" like that for the last quarter century. I buy only rough lumber and I have no desire for a planer. Yes, skinnying down a board on a horizontal drum sander takes longer but not all that much and you wind up with a perfectly smooth, undinged board. It is great for getting rid of lippage on glued up panels not to mention the considerable utility in being able to gang sand numerous narrow boards on edge to a uniform width. My Performax sander has gotten MUCH use over the last 25 years and the only thing ever replaced were transport belts. No repairs ever necessary either. IOW, whoever told you it wouldn't last knows not of what they speak I have a planer and no panel sander. If I had to choose only one to have, it would be the sander. They are a lot more expensive, though. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- www.mikedrums.com |
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On 3/24/2018 7:50 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 3/24/2018 12:09 AM, Leon wrote: Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? A vertical sander? A horizontal drum sander performs a similar function as a planer. Before any one can advise you on which to get you must first tell us why you want either one. I meant horizontal. Main reason is to even out the "plane" after gluing boards together for a larger piece. The planer should come first, to flatten roughsawn boards efficiently and to be sure your boards are the exact same thickness before you glue them up. At one time I thought I wanted a horizontal drum sander, but I did not have the necessary budget, dust collection or shop space. By necessity, I learned how to improve my gluing technique to keep the boards even in the first place, and how to use my hand planes and scrapers to level the inevitable differences. I now have the budget and space for a sander, but no desire to own one. I enjoy using my skills, and prefer a planed/scraped surface to one that has been abraded. The last big panel I made was about 3' x 5', made up of five boards. It took less than an hour to bring both sides flat and parallel, ready for finish. If you are not doing production work, and don't want to learn the manual skills, find a local shop that will run your panels through their sander. My brother-in-law had a 24" x 50" coffee table top sanded for about $15. |
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On 3/24/2018 8:56 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"Meanie" wrote in message news I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I've "gotten by" like that for the last quarter century. I buy only rough lumber and I have no desire for a planer. Yes, skinnying down a board on a horizontal drum sander takes longer but not all that much and you wind up with a perfectly smooth, undinged board. It is great for getting rid of lippage on glued up panels not to mention the considerable utility in being able to gang sand numerous narrow boards on edge to a uniform width. My Performax sander has gotten MUCH use over the last 25 years and the only thing ever replaced were transport belts. No repairs ever necessary either. IOW, whoever told you it wouldn't last knows not of what they speak Thank you. Interesting you mention Performax because a place near my home sells woodworking tools and a Performax 16/32 is in their stock. https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/t...506509704.html That's what prompt me to ask the question in here. |
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On 3/24/2018 8:59 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message news "Meanie" wrote in message news I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I've "gotten by" like that for the last quarter century. I buy only rough lumber and I have no desire for a planer. Yes, skinnying down a board on a horizontal drum sander takes longer but not all that much and you wind up with a perfectly smooth, undinged board. It is great for getting rid of lippage on glued up panels not to mention the considerable utility in being able to gang sand numerous narrow boards on edge to a uniform width. My Performax sander has gotten MUCH use over the last 25 years and the only thing ever replaced were transport belts. No repairs ever necessary either. IOW, whoever told you it wouldn't last knows not of what they speak If you get one, you will HAVE to have a dust collector. A shop vac will work but not very well and will be a PITA. I do have a Jet dust collection system. Thanks |
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On 3/24/2018 6:50 AM, Meanie wrote:
On 3/24/2018 12:09 AM, Leon wrote: Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? A vertical sander? A horizontal drum sander performs a similar function as a planer. Before any one can advise you on which to get you must first tell us why you want either one. I meant horizontal. Main reason is to even out the "plane" after gluing boards together for a larger piece. Most bench top planers are 13" or less so they will not get you there. BUT a bench top planer will work much more quickly than a drum sander, and will be much less expensive comparing like brand/quality. A drum sander will pretty much do what a planer will do with more capacity but will do so MUCH MUCH SLOWER. If it were me I would go for the planer and add the sander later if you want to get the most bang for your buck. |
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On 3/24/2018 7:56 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"Meanie" wrote in message news I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I've "gotten by" like that for the last quarter century. I buy only rough lumber and I have no desire for a planer. Yes, skinnying down a board on a horizontal drum sander takes longer but not all that much and you wind up with a perfectly smooth, undinged board. It is great for getting rid of lippage on glued up panels not to mention the considerable utility in being able to gang sand numerous narrow boards on edge to a uniform width. My Performax sander has gotten MUCH use over the last 25 years and the only thing ever replaced were transport belts. No repairs ever necessary either. IOW, whoever told you it wouldn't last knows not of what they speak Aww, I bet you replaced the sanding belts too. ;~) |
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On 3/24/2018 3:19 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/24/2018 6:50 AM, Meanie wrote: On 3/24/2018 12:09 AM, Leon wrote: Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? A vertical sander? A horizontal drum sander performs a similar function as a planer. Before any one can advise you on which to get you must first tell us why you want either one. I meant horizontal. Main reason is to even out the "plane" after gluing boards together for a larger piece. Most bench top planers are 13" or less so they will not get you there. BUT a bench top planer will work much more quickly than a drum sander, and will be much less expensive comparing like brand/quality. A drum sander will pretty much do what a planer will do with more capacity but will do so MUCH MUCH SLOWER. If it were me I would go for the planer and add the sander later if you want to get the most bang for your buck. FWIW I have both, a 15" stationary Delta planer and a 22/44 Performax drum sander. |
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 15:19:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 3/24/2018 6:50 AM, Meanie wrote: On 3/24/2018 12:09 AM, Leon wrote: Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? A vertical sander? A horizontal drum sander performs a similar function as a planer. Before any one can advise you on which to get you must first tell us why you want either one. I meant horizontal. Main reason is to even out the "plane" after gluing boards together for a larger piece. Most bench top planers are 13" or less so they will not get you there. BUT a bench top planer will work much more quickly than a drum sander, and will be much less expensive comparing like brand/quality. A drum sander will pretty much do what a planer will do with more capacity but will do so MUCH MUCH SLOWER. If it were me I would go for the planer and add the sander later if you want to get the most bang for your buck. With a bench top planer make your rough cut length about 6" more. |
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On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 3:24:09 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/24/2018 3:19 PM, Leon wrote: On 3/24/2018 6:50 AM, Meanie wrote: On 3/24/2018 12:09 AM, Leon wrote: Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? A vertical sander? A horizontal drum sander performs a similar function as a planer. Before any one can advise you on which to get you must first tell us why you want either one. I meant horizontal. Main reason is to even out the "plane" after gluing boards together for a larger piece. Most bench top planers are 13" or less so they will not get you there. BUT a bench top planer will work much more quickly than a drum sander, and will be much less expensive comparing like brand/quality. A drum sander will pretty much do what a planer will do with more capacity but will do so MUCH MUCH SLOWER. If it were me I would go for the planer and add the sander later if you want to get the most bang for your buck. FWIW I have both, a 15" stationary Delta planer and a 22/44 Performax drum sander. I can't afford a sander, but I am curious. Sometimes with a thickness planer, you have to shim to board to get rid of a twist. Is that a problem with a dual drum sander, or is that problem eliminated. |
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On 3/24/2018 4:52 PM, Michael wrote:
On Saturday, March 24, 2018 at 3:24:09 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote: On 3/24/2018 3:19 PM, Leon wrote: On 3/24/2018 6:50 AM, Meanie wrote: On 3/24/2018 12:09 AM, Leon wrote: Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? A vertical sander? A horizontal drum sander performs a similar function as a planer. Before any one can advise you on which to get you must first tell us why you want either one. I meant horizontal. Main reason is to even out the "plane" after gluing boards together for a larger piece. Most bench top planers are 13" or less so they will not get you there. BUT a bench top planer will work much more quickly than a drum sander, and will be much less expensive comparing like brand/quality. A drum sander will pretty much do what a planer will do with more capacity but will do so MUCH MUCH SLOWER. If it were me I would go for the planer and add the sander later if you want to get the most bang for your buck. FWIW I have both, a 15" stationary Delta planer and a 22/44 Performax drum sander. I can't afford a sander, but I am curious. Sometimes with a thickness planer, you have to shim to board to get rid of a twist. Is that a problem with a dual drum sander, or is that problem eliminated. Essentially the drum sander will work exactly as a planer in that respect. |
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On 3/24/2018 4:52 PM, Michael wrote:
.... I can't afford a sander, but I am curious. Sometimes with a thickness planer, you have to shim to board to get rid of a twist. Is that a problem with a dual drum sander, or is that problem eliminated. Ideally, one has a jointer the size of the planer... then you get the first surface flat, _then_ plane to thickness. (Even I don't have that large a jointer to match the 18" PM, though, but normally one can knock the high points off enough w/ hand scrub plane pretty quickly as compared to making shims and the backing board. Altho generally on something that twisted unless it's a really unique piece of material or very pricey I'll just cut it down to use for something else that it fits rather than try to correct. Leon's right though, the two parallel portions of the machine are (and must be to work properly) immobile with respect to each other as the material goes through; hence the material is what has to give, mostly. There's just a tiny bit more "give" in the sander backing rollers and drive belts, but "tiny" is the operative word. -- |
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Markem wrote in
: With a bench top planer make your rough cut length about 6" more. Are you thinking about snipe on the ends? I haven't had much of a problem with my DW735, as long as I support the end of the board as it comes out. Puckdropper -- http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst! |
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On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 20:55:25 -0400
Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? you must mean a horiz drum sander but maybe there is a vertical model out there have never seen one as to a horiz drum sander vs a thickness planer i would rather have a horiz drum sander pros are quieter no blades to chip or sharpen usually a nicer finish more options on the level of finish by changing grits can work wider material on open sided machines did i say quieter cons are slower material removal and do not take off too much at once although some will detect if you try too hard and slow down more dust initial cost might be higher |
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On 3/25/2018 12:43 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
.... i would rather have a horiz drum sander .... Suit yourself; they're two different tools designed for two different purposes albeit one can drive nails with things other than a hammer, yes... -- |
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On 3/23/2018 8:55 PM, Meanie wrote:
I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I'd go for the planer. Moreover, I would go for one with a spiral head segmented cutter. Grizzly sells them rather cheap, and they work well, much better than a 2 or 3 knife cutter. A bit louder than a sander but still very quiet. Like a sander, they cut smooth regardless of grain pattern/direction or knots. You can finish sand with a hand sander in a minute, even large surfaces. About no need for a drum sander if you have one of these as they come out ready for a quick finish sand. Rough cut lumber is one use, and planing glue ups smooth another, but they also make sizing dimensional lumber a breeze. For example, drawer sides are 1/2" or 5/8" thick. 5/4 stock is good for brick moldings, storm windows, and all sorts of stuff. In fact, most everything you make just looks better in other than dimensional sizes. Sanders are not made for this, period, and IF you can find other than dimensional lumber at a store, it will be expensive, real expensive. The advantages of a segmented, spiral cutter head are numerous: Grain pattern/direction and knots negligible Dust collection simple (small segmented chunks instead of long clogging chunks. Carbide knives have 4 sides that stay sharp 4 times longer than carbide blades because you can rotate them also good if you nick a blade, just rotate the blade. No adjustments needed when replacing one or all knives. Noise level is very low compared to long 3 knife cutters. For example, my 6" jointer makes 5x more noise than my 15" planer when face jointing, and the finish is not as good. -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. http://jbstein.com |
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On 3/29/2018 12:38 PM, Jack wrote:
On 3/23/2018 8:55 PM, Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I'd go for the planer.Â* Moreover, I would go for one with a spiral head segmented cutter.Â* Grizzly sells them rather cheap, and they work well, much better than a 2 or 3 knife cutter.Â* A bit louder than a sander but still very quiet. Like a sander, they cut smooth regardless of grain pattern/direction or knots. You can finish sand with a hand sander in a minute, even large surfaces.Â* About no need for a drum sander if you have one of these as they come out ready for a quick finish sand. But to be clear, a drum sander is hard to beat when sanding thin veneers to a uniform thickness. Or for flattening the top and bottoms of the sides of small/short drawers and boxes so that one side does not stand higher or lower than it's mating piece. I use my drum sander extensively for the above purposes. |
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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 3/29/2018 12:38 PM, Jack wrote: On 3/23/2018 8:55 PM, Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I'd go for the planer.Â* Moreover, I would go for one with a spiral head segmented cutter.Â* Grizzly sells them rather cheap, and they work well, much better than a 2 or 3 knife cutter.Â* A bit louder than a sander but still very quiet. Like a sander, they cut smooth regardless of grain pattern/direction or knots. You can finish sand with a hand sander in a minute, even large surfaces.Â* About no need for a drum sander if you have one of these as they come out ready for a quick finish sand. But to be clear, a drum sander is hard to beat when sanding thin veneers to a uniform thickness. Or for flattening the top and bottoms of the sides of small/short drawers and boxes so that one side does not stand higher or lower than it's mating piece. A drum sander can also be useful for surfacing wider surfaces than the 15" a typical planer will handle. The 16-32 will handle 32" wide surface and the 22-44 a 44" wide (in two passes). |
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On 3/29/2018 1:23 PM, Leon wrote:
.... But to be clear, a drum sander is hard to beat when sanding thin veneers to a uniform thickness.Â* Or for flattening the top and bottoms of the sides of small/short drawers and boxes so that one side does not stand higher or lower than it's mating piece. I use my drum sander extensively for the above purposes. Indeed falls in the "two different tools for different purposes" category I outlined above... -- |
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On 3/29/2018 2:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 3/29/2018 12:38 PM, Jack wrote: On 3/23/2018 8:55 PM, Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I'd go for the planer.ÂÂ* Moreover, I would go for one with a spiral head segmented cutter.ÂÂ* Grizzly sells them rather cheap, and they work well, much better than a 2 or 3 knife cutter.ÂÂ* A bit louder than a sander but still very quiet. Like a sander, they cut smooth regardless of grain pattern/direction or knots. You can finish sand with a hand sander in a minute, even large surfaces.ÂÂ* About no need for a drum sander if you have one of these as they come out ready for a quick finish sand. But to be clear, a drum sander is hard to beat when sanding thin veneers to a uniform thickness. Or for flattening the top and bottoms of the sides of small/short drawers and boxes so that one side does not stand higher or lower than it's mating piece. A drum sander can also be useful for surfacing wider surfaces than the 15" a typical planer will handle. The 16-32 will handle 32" wide surface and the 22-44 a 44" wide (in two passes). I know I was forgetting something obvious. |
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On 3/29/18 4:46 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/29/2018 2:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 3/29/2018 12:38 PM, Jack wrote: On 3/23/2018 8:55 PM, Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I'd go for the planer. Moreover, I would go for one with a spiral head segmented cutter. Grizzly sells them rather cheap, and they work well, much better than a 2 or 3 knife cutter. A bit louder than a sander but still very quiet. Like a sander, they cut smooth regardless of grain pattern/direction or knots. You can finish sand with a hand sander in a minute, even large surfaces. About no need for a drum sander if you have one of these as they come out ready for a quick finish sand. But to be clear, a drum sander is hard to beat when sanding thin veneers to a uniform thickness. Or for flattening the top and bottoms of the sides of small/short drawers and boxes so that one side does not stand higher or lower than it's mating piece. A drum sander can also be useful for surfacing wider surfaces than the 15" a typical planer will handle. The 16-32 will handle 32" wide surface and the 22-44 a 44" wide (in two passes). I know I was forgetting something obvious. For my primary uses, a sander can do everything a planer can do, maybe just not as quickly. This consists of frames, boxes, short items, and boards up to about 36". Surly there counter examples? I can't think of any off the top of my head however. I use my DS to surface rough lumber (short lengths) by starting with 36 grit. It takes about 1/32" per pass, but has no limitations for grain direction and figured woods. I'll still pull out my lunchbox planer when I need the speed (or the extra 3" of thickness capacity over my DS), but I find I am using it less and less nowadays. -BR |
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On 3/29/2018 3:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 3/29/2018 12:38 PM, Jack wrote: On 3/23/2018 8:55 PM, Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I'd go for the planer. Moreover, I would go for one with a spiral head segmented cutter. Grizzly sells them rather cheap, and they work well, much better than a 2 or 3 knife cutter. A bit louder than a sander but still very quiet. Like a sander, they cut smooth regardless of grain pattern/direction or knots. You can finish sand with a hand sander in a minute, even large surfaces. About no need for a drum sander if you have one of these as they come out ready for a quick finish sand. But to be clear, a drum sander is hard to beat when sanding thin veneers to a uniform thickness. Or for flattening the top and bottoms of the sides of small/short drawers and boxes so that one side does not stand higher or lower than it's mating piece. A drum sander can also be useful for surfacing wider surfaces than the 15" a typical planer will handle. The 16-32 will handle 32" wide surface and the 22-44 a 44" wide (in two passes). A 15" planer can plane 2 perfectly flat, exact thickness 15" pieces that can be edge glued easily to 30" wide with very minimal sanding needed, which can be done quickly with any hand sander. -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. http://jbstein.com |
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On 3/30/18 10:18 AM, Jack wrote:
On 3/29/2018 3:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 3/29/2018 12:38 PM, Jack wrote: On 3/23/2018 8:55 PM, Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I'd go for the planer.Â* Moreover, I would go for one with a spiral head segmented cutter.Â* Grizzly sells them rather cheap, and they work well, much better than a 2 or 3 knife cutter.Â* A bit louder than a sander but still very quiet. Like a sander, they cut smooth regardless of grain pattern/direction or knots. You can finish sand with a hand sander in a minute, even large surfaces.Â* About no need for a drum sander if you have one of these as they come out ready for a quick finish sand. But to be clear, a drum sander is hard to beat when sanding thin veneers to a uniform thickness.* Or for flattening the top and bottoms of the sides of small/short drawers and boxes so that one side does not stand higher or lower than it's mating piece. A drum sander can also be useful for surfacing wider surfaces than the 15" a typical planer will handle.*** The 16-32 will handle 32" wide surface and the 22-44 a 44" wide (in two passes). A 15" planer can plane 2 perfectly flat, exact thickness 15" pieces that can be edge glued easily to 30" wide with very minimal sanding needed, which can be done quickly with any hand sander. That's what I end up doing for wider panel glue-ups. One glued seem is pretty easy to knock down by sanding or a card scraper, which works better to avoid dips at the seem. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- www.mikedrums.com |
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-MIKE- writes:
On 3/30/18 10:18 AM, Jack wrote: On 3/29/2018 3:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 3/29/2018 12:38 PM, Jack wrote: On 3/23/2018 8:55 PM, Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I'd go for the planer.Â* Moreover, I would go for one with a spiral head segmented cutter.Â* Grizzly sells them rather cheap, and they work well, much better than a 2 or 3 knife cutter.Â* A bit louder than a sander but still very quiet. Like a sander, they cut smooth regardless of grain pattern/direction or knots. You can finish sand with a hand sander in a minute, even large surfaces.Â* About no need for a drum sander if you have one of these as they come out ready for a quick finish sand. But to be clear, a drum sander is hard to beat when sanding thin veneers to a uniform thickness.* Or for flattening the top and bottoms of the sides of small/short drawers and boxes so that one side does not stand higher or lower than it's mating piece. A drum sander can also be useful for surfacing wider surfaces than the 15" a typical planer will handle.*** The 16-32 will handle 32" wide surface and the 22-44 a 44" wide (in two passes). A 15" planer can plane 2 perfectly flat, exact thickness 15" pieces that can be edge glued easily to 30" wide with very minimal sanding needed, which can be done quickly with any hand sander. That's what I end up doing for wider panel glue-ups. One glued seem is pretty easy to knock down by sanding or a card scraper, which works better to avoid dips at the seem. On the other hand, I see no good reason to rip a 30" wide board down to 15", plane, then glue it back up when I can just use the drum sander. |
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On 3/30/18 10:50 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
-MIKE- writes: On 3/30/18 10:18 AM, Jack wrote: On 3/29/2018 3:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 3/29/2018 12:38 PM, Jack wrote: On 3/23/2018 8:55 PM, Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I'd go for the planer.ÂÂ* Moreover, I would go for one with a spiral head segmented cutter.ÂÂ* Grizzly sells them rather cheap, and they work well, much better than a 2 or 3 knife cutter.ÂÂ* A bit louder than a sander but still very quiet. Like a sander, they cut smooth regardless of grain pattern/direction or knots. You can finish sand with a hand sander in a minute, even large surfaces.ÂÂ* About no need for a drum sander if you have one of these as they come out ready for a quick finish sand. But to be clear, a drum sander is hard to beat when sanding thin veneers to a uniform thickness.Â* Or for flattening the top and bottoms of the sides of small/short drawers and boxes so that one side does not stand higher or lower than it's mating piece. A drum sander can also be useful for surfacing wider surfaces than the 15" a typical planer will handle.Â*Â*Â* The 16-32 will handle 32" wide surface and the 22-44 a 44" wide (in two passes). A 15" planer can plane 2 perfectly flat, exact thickness 15" pieces that can be edge glued easily to 30" wide with very minimal sanding needed, which can be done quickly with any hand sander. That's what I end up doing for wider panel glue-ups. One glued seem is pretty easy to knock down by sanding or a card scraper, which works better to avoid dips at the seem. On the other hand, I see no good reason to rip a 30" wide board down to 15", plane, then glue it back up when I can just use the drum sander. Was someone suggesting to do that? Probably not wise, unless you have no other choice. I thought we were just discussing ways to glue up wide panels. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- www.mikedrums.com |
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On 3/30/2018 10:50 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
-MIKE- writes: On 3/30/18 10:18 AM, Jack wrote: On 3/29/2018 3:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 3/29/2018 12:38 PM, Jack wrote: On 3/23/2018 8:55 PM, Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I'd go for the planer.ÂÂ* Moreover, I would go for one with a spiral head segmented cutter.ÂÂ* Grizzly sells them rather cheap, and they work well, much better than a 2 or 3 knife cutter.ÂÂ* A bit louder than a sander but still very quiet. Like a sander, they cut smooth regardless of grain pattern/direction or knots. You can finish sand with a hand sander in a minute, even large surfaces.ÂÂ* About no need for a drum sander if you have one of these as they come out ready for a quick finish sand. But to be clear, a drum sander is hard to beat when sanding thin veneers to a uniform thickness.Â* Or for flattening the top and bottoms of the sides of small/short drawers and boxes so that one side does not stand higher or lower than it's mating piece. A drum sander can also be useful for surfacing wider surfaces than the 15" a typical planer will handle.Â*Â*Â* The 16-32 will handle 32" wide surface and the 22-44 a 44" wide (in two passes). A 15" planer can plane 2 perfectly flat, exact thickness 15" pieces that can be edge glued easily to 30" wide with very minimal sanding needed, which can be done quickly with any hand sander. That's what I end up doing for wider panel glue-ups. One glued seem is pretty easy to knock down by sanding or a card scraper, which works better to avoid dips at the seem. On the other hand, I see no good reason to rip a 30" wide board down to 15", plane, then glue it back up when I can just use the drum sander. Do you often see 30" wide boards? ;~) My local supplier has 36" wide pieces of mahogany. Ripping those, to thickness plane, would be shame. |
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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 3/30/2018 10:50 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: -MIKE- writes: On 3/30/18 10:18 AM, Jack wrote: On 3/29/2018 3:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 3/29/2018 12:38 PM, Jack wrote: On 3/23/2018 8:55 PM, Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I'd go for the planer.ÂÂ* Moreover, I would go for one with a spiral head segmented cutter.ÂÂ* Grizzly sells them rather cheap, and they work well, much better than a 2 or 3 knife cutter.ÂÂ* A bit louder than a sander but still very quiet. Like a sander, they cut smooth regardless of grain pattern/direction or knots. You can finish sand with a hand sander in a minute, even large surfaces.ÂÂ* About no need for a drum sander if you have one of these as they come out ready for a quick finish sand. But to be clear, a drum sander is hard to beat when sanding thin veneers to a uniform thickness.Â* Or for flattening the top and bottoms of the sides of small/short drawers and boxes so that one side does not stand higher or lower than it's mating piece. A drum sander can also be useful for surfacing wider surfaces than the 15" a typical planer will handle.Â*Â*Â* The 16-32 will handle 32" wide surface and the 22-44 a 44" wide (in two passes). A 15" planer can plane 2 perfectly flat, exact thickness 15" pieces that can be edge glued easily to 30" wide with very minimal sanding needed, which can be done quickly with any hand sander. That's what I end up doing for wider panel glue-ups. One glued seem is pretty easy to knock down by sanding or a card scraper, which works better to avoid dips at the seem. On the other hand, I see no good reason to rip a 30" wide board down to 15", plane, then glue it back up when I can just use the drum sander. Do you often see 30" wide boards? ;~) I have a few. A nice 26" 24/4 slab of Claro Walnut. A 30" wide slice through a redwood burl (rough edge). A few wide 4/4 boards. My local supplier has 36" wide pieces of mahogany. Ripping those, to thickness plane, would be shame. Indeed. |
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-MIKE- writes:
On 3/30/18 10:50 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: -MIKE- writes: On 3/30/18 10:18 AM, Jack wrote: On 3/29/2018 3:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 3/29/2018 12:38 PM, Jack wrote: On 3/23/2018 8:55 PM, Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I'd go for the planer.ÂÂ* Moreover, I would go for one with a spiral head segmented cutter.ÂÂ* Grizzly sells them rather cheap, and they work well, much better than a 2 or 3 knife cutter.ÂÂ* A bit louder than a sander but still very quiet. Like a sander, they cut smooth regardless of grain pattern/direction or knots. You can finish sand with a hand sander in a minute, even large surfaces.ÂÂ* About no need for a drum sander if you have one of these as they come out ready for a quick finish sand. But to be clear, a drum sander is hard to beat when sanding thin veneers to a uniform thickness.Â* Or for flattening the top and bottoms of the sides of small/short drawers and boxes so that one side does not stand higher or lower than it's mating piece. A drum sander can also be useful for surfacing wider surfaces than the 15" a typical planer will handle.Â*Â*Â* The 16-32 will handle 32" wide surface and the 22-44 a 44" wide (in two passes). A 15" planer can plane 2 perfectly flat, exact thickness 15" pieces that can be edge glued easily to 30" wide with very minimal sanding needed, which can be done quickly with any hand sander. That's what I end up doing for wider panel glue-ups. One glued seem is pretty easy to knock down by sanding or a card scraper, which works better to avoid dips at the seem. On the other hand, I see no good reason to rip a 30" wide board down to 15", plane, then glue it back up when I can just use the drum sander. Was someone suggesting to do that? Probably not wise, unless you have no other choice. I thought we were just discussing ways to glue up wide panels. The discussion was on the relative pros and cons of having only one planer or one drum sander. As they do, it morphed along the way. |
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 11:18:54 -0400, Jack wrote:
A 15" planer can plane 2 perfectly flat, exact thickness 15" pieces that can be edge glued easily to 30" wide with very minimal sanding needed, which can be done quickly with any hand sander. And with a 30" planer you can get 60" wide...... |
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On 3/30/2018 11:50 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
-MIKE- writes: On 3/30/18 10:18 AM, Jack wrote: On 3/29/2018 3:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes: On 3/29/2018 12:38 PM, Jack wrote: On 3/23/2018 8:55 PM, Meanie wrote: I'm contemplating the purchase of a bench top planer. After looking around for a used machine, I often thought about a vertical drum sander instead. Obviously, I know the difference between the two but they basically do the same thing. Therefore, seeking the sage advice, could I get by with a sander instead of a planer? I'd go for the planer. Moreover, I would go for one with a spiral head segmented cutter. Grizzly sells them rather cheap, and they work well, much better than a 2 or 3 knife cutter. A bit louder than a sander but still very quiet. Like a sander, they cut smooth regardless of grain pattern/direction or knots. You can finish sand with a hand sander in a minute, even large surfaces. About no need for a drum sander if you have one of these as they come out ready for a quick finish sand. But to be clear, a drum sander is hard to beat when sanding thin veneers to a uniform thickness. Or for flattening the top and bottoms of the sides of small/short drawers and boxes so that one side does not stand higher or lower than it's mating piece. A drum sander can also be useful for surfacing wider surfaces than the 15" a typical planer will handle. The 16-32 will handle 32" wide surface and the 22-44 a 44" wide (in two passes). A 15" planer can plane 2 perfectly flat, exact thickness 15" pieces that can be edge glued easily to 30" wide with very minimal sanding needed, which can be done quickly with any hand sander. That's what I end up doing for wider panel glue-ups. One glued seem is pretty easy to knock down by sanding or a card scraper, which works better to avoid dips at the seem. On the other hand, I see no good reason to rip a 30" wide board down to 15", plane, then glue it back up when I can just use the drum sander. On the other hand there are very good reasons to rip a 30" piece of lumber into less than 6" widths, then glue them up into a large piece. In fact, it is the common method of making wide boards. -- Jack Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions. http://jbstein.com |
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