Anybody have any experiernce with using Advan Tech?

I am thinking about using it as the floor in my new shop.

Thanks.

Jim

On 5/21/2016 6:16 PM, swalker wrote:

Anybody have any experiernce with using Advan Tech?
I am thinking about using it as the floor in my new shop.

Yes sir ... my sub floor of choice. Happened to have used it extensively.

Here's one:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...21929106378258

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On Sat, 21 May 2016 18:16:32 -0500
swalker wrote:

Anybody have any experiernce with using Advan Tech?

expensive

heavy too

On 5/21/16 6:16 PM, swalker wrote:
Anybody have any experiernce with using Advan Tech?

I am thinking about using it as the floor in my new shop.

Thanks.

Jim


Yes, awesome stuff. I used it in my sharn and I'll use it again
whenever I need sub-flooring. Their water resistance warranty is no
joke-- water just beads up on top of it and I didn't get a single seem
that puckered.


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On Sat, 21 May 2016 18:16:32 -0500, swalker wrote:

Anybody have any experiernce with using Advan Tech?

I am thinking about using it as the floor in my new shop.

Thanks.

Jim

I plan to use this over a concrete floor by using 2X4 PT sleepers and
finishing it with a couple coats of polyurethane.

Looking at the manufactures instructions I noticed that they said a
gap should be used on the ends and a close up of a sheet actually
showed a step in the tongue (on the long side) that would make the
gap.

This appears to me to be in conflict with the instructions to both
fasten the panel with nails or screws and use adhesive on all joists.

If the panels do have a step on the sides then this product will not
work for my application since the crack will fill with dirt or
sawdust.

Jim

On 5/24/2016 7:56 AM, swalker wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2016 18:16:32 -0500, swalker wrote:

Anybody have any experiernce with using Advan Tech?

I am thinking about using it as the floor in my new shop.

Thanks.

Jim

I plan to use this over a concrete floor by using 2X4 PT sleepers and
finishing it with a couple coats of polyurethane.

Looking at the manufactures instructions I noticed that they said a
gap should be used on the ends and a close up of a sheet actually
showed a step in the tongue (on the long side) that would make the
gap.

This appears to me to be in conflict with the instructions to both
fasten the panel with nails or screws and use adhesive on all joists.

If the panels do have a step on the sides then this product will not
work for my application since the crack will fill with dirt or
sawdust.

Jim


You put a molding over the gap.

On Tue, 24 May 2016 08:25:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/24/2016 7:56 AM, swalker wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2016 18:16:32 -0500, swalker wrote:

Anybody have any experiernce with using Advan Tech?

I am thinking about using it as the floor in my new shop.

Thanks.

Jim

I plan to use this over a concrete floor by using 2X4 PT sleepers and
finishing it with a couple coats of polyurethane.

Looking at the manufactures instructions I noticed that they said a
gap should be used on the ends and a close up of a sheet actually
showed a step in the tongue (on the long side) that would make the
gap.

This appears to me to be in conflict with the instructions to both
fasten the panel with nails or screws and use adhesive on all joists.

If the panels do have a step on the sides then this product will not
work for my application since the crack will fill with dirt or
sawdust.

Jim


You put a molding over the gap.

Something like a T molding with a rounded top?

On 05/24/2016 10:01 AM, swalker wrote:
....

If the panels do have a step on the sides then this product will not
work for my application since the crack will fill with dirt or
sawdust.
....

You put a molding over the gap.

Something like a T molding with a rounded top?

http://www.huberwood.com/advantech/gallery/photo-gallery#prettyPhoto/1/

shows an installation. Looks fine for a shop floor to me...so what if
those small cracks do eventually fill with sawdust; what's the harm in that?

Personally, I'd far prefer that than a raised "bump" every 4- or 8-ft.

I just filled in some area of the old barn driveway with a combination
of some salvaged 4"T x 8"W by 6' concrete blocks that were originally
the cover off the old septic tank plus leftover "tiles" from the new
silo and those we salvaged from the demolition of the old silos. All of
which were irregular. Simply poured in a cement/sand mix to fill the
larger and then swept a dry sand mix into the remaining cracks...it
serves very well. Don't see why similar excepting for the sawdust
wouldn't serve just as well in this application.

I suppose one could go to the trouble to fill the gaps with a
nonhardening mastic but think whatever one did it would tend to push out
in damp conditions...

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On 5/24/16 10:01 AM, swalker wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2016 08:25:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/24/2016 7:56 AM, swalker wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2016 18:16:32 -0500, swalker
wrote:

Anybody have any experiernce with using Advan Tech?

I am thinking about using it as the floor in my new shop.

Thanks.

Jim

I plan to use this over a concrete floor by using 2X4 PT sleepers
and finishing it with a couple coats of polyurethane.

Looking at the manufactures instructions I noticed that they said
a gap should be used on the ends and a close up of a sheet
actually showed a step in the tongue (on the long side) that
would make the gap.

This appears to me to be in conflict with the instructions to
both fasten the panel with nails or screws and use adhesive on
all joists.

If the panels do have a step on the sides then this product will
not work for my application since the crack will fill with dirt
or sawdust.

Jim


You put a molding over the gap.

Something like a T molding with a rounded top?


If you did that you're going to have a bump in your floor every four
feet. I would consider an expansion joint caulking product similar to
what is used in concrete and tile applications. It will lie flat in the
gap and hold up to foot and caster traffic.

I have questions, however. Is the concrete floor sloped? Why are you
covering it? Just to be easier on your feet (good enough reason)? Do
you also need vapor barrier and insulation?
If the floor isn't sloped or the slope doesn't bother you, there are
engineered flooring options that will go down right on the concrete and
give you a softer step to the floor, but are durable enough to handle
shop tool casters.



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On 5/24/2016 10:01 AM, swalker wrote:

If the panels do have a step on the sides then this product will not
work for my application since the crack will fill with dirt or
sawdust.

Something like a T molding with a rounded top?

AdvanTech is a wood product.

All wood, even plywood and OSB type panels, expands and contracts with
moisture content/relative humidity, thus you need to leave a small gap
at all walls, otherwise you run the risk of your originally flat floor
becoming bowed and uneven.

These gaps, left on purpose next to the walls, are traditionally covered
by a "baseboard" and "shoe molding", individually, or in combination
depending upon the amount of gap.

The gap with AdvanTech, and depending upon width/length of the floor
itself, does not need to be as wide as with other wood flooring
materials (say 1/4", up to 3/8" on most installations) ... again
depending upon overall width and length.

In your case, my experience is a 3/4" thick "baseboard" around the walls
will do the trick. It also makes for a more finished appearance, even in
a shop.

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On 5/24/2016 10:28 AM, -MIKE- wrote:

If you did that you're going to have a bump in your floor every four
feet.

No kidding, and not remotely necessary in practical use for a shop, IMO.

I would consider an expansion joint caulking product similar to
what is used in concrete and tile applications. It will lie flat in the
gap and hold up to foot and caster traffic.

The practicality of doing so is questionable IME, and unless, and it's
an unlikely possibility, the OP is much more OCD/anal than me.

As you know, AdvanTech is self spacing and, IME the resulting gap is too
small to worry about if you're contemplating using a sub flooring
product as a shop floor.

.... so it gets bit of sawdust in it ... it's a shop, plenty of that to
go around.

Besides, and to the OP ... you will have the same issue, only moreso,
with any other wood panel you decide to use as a shop floor.

Bigger concern, in his inexperience, is not leaving a gap at the
walls/butting it tightly against a wall or sill plate.

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On 5/24/16 10:56 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 5/24/2016 10:28 AM, -MIKE- wrote:

If you did that you're going to have a bump in your floor every four
feet.

No kidding, and not remotely necessary in practical use for a shop, IMO.

I would consider an expansion joint caulking product similar to
what is used in concrete and tile applications. It will lie flat in the
gap and hold up to foot and caster traffic.

The practicality of doing so is questionable IME, and unless, and it's
an unlikely possibility, the OP is much more OCD/anal than me.

As you know, AdvanTech is self spacing and, IME the resulting gap is too
small to worry about if you're contemplating using a sub flooring
product as a shop floor.

... so it gets bit of sawdust in it ... it's a shop, plenty of that to
go around.

Besides, and to the OP ... you will have the same issue, only moreso,
with any other wood panel you decide to use as a shop floor.

Bigger concern, in his inexperience, is not leaving a gap at the
walls/butting it tightly against a wall or sill plate.


Yes, and your suggestion of a baseboard will take care of that.
The field gaps (very small, as you pointed out) in mine have already
filled up with "stuff" and the "stuff" gets packed down in there so
hard, it's almost OSB again. :-)


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On 5/24/2016 10:01 AM, swalker wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2016 08:25:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/24/2016 7:56 AM, swalker wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2016 18:16:32 -0500, swalker wrote:

Anybody have any experiernce with using Advan Tech?

I am thinking about using it as the floor in my new shop.

Thanks.

Jim

I plan to use this over a concrete floor by using 2X4 PT sleepers and
finishing it with a couple coats of polyurethane.

Looking at the manufactures instructions I noticed that they said a
gap should be used on the ends and a close up of a sheet actually
showed a step in the tongue (on the long side) that would make the
gap.

This appears to me to be in conflict with the instructions to both
fasten the panel with nails or screws and use adhesive on all joists.

If the panels do have a step on the sides then this product will not
work for my application since the crack will fill with dirt or
sawdust.

Jim


You put a molding over the gap.

Something like a T molding with a rounded top?



NO Sorry. I was thinking around the perimeter of the room, not each
board. I was thinking finish flooring.

On Sat, 21 May 2016 18:16:32 -0500, swalker wrote:

Anybody have any experiernce with using Advan Tech?

I am thinking about using it as the floor in my new shop.

Thanks.

Jim

My bride and I have been away celebrating our 50th anniversary and I
just got back to read all the replies.

FYI - I am more into wood turning than wood working and will do very
little flat work. The exception being to cut angle pieces for a
segmented bowl. I am not a fast turner so I am basically standing in
one small area at the lathe, often for a long time.

Concrete just eats me up regardless of any pad I have found. I have
had a floor like this before and it worked for me.

I think I will just let the cracks fill up with whatever hits the
floor.

I understand about the problems with wood movment and will certainly
leave a gap around the edge which will also make it easier if I should
have to remove a sheet of ply for some reason.

What does confuse me is that the Advan Tech instructions say the ply
should be both glued and screwed. How does this allow for movement?

We are in the home stretch on this project, the sheet rock is in and
been taped and smoothed twice so with one more visit they will be
probably be finished and it will be time to paint, followed by final
electrical, floor installation, garage doors and finally the AC will
be installed (Lines are in but the unit itself isn't).

Ready for this to be over.

Thanks for all the comments.

Jim

On 6/2/2016 11:27 AM, swalker wrote:

What does confuse me is that the Advan Tech instructions say the ply
should be both glued and screwed. How does this allow for movement?

You can't stop movement, but the idea is to mitigate movement for a
_subfloor_ within limits. IOW, enough to keep any overlaid flooring from
cracking, gapping, squeaking, etc.

Keep in mind that AdvanTech is used primarily as a "subfloor" (IOW,
another floor (wood or tile) is generally installed on top of it), where
the cumulative, relative stiffness of the installation as a whole is
desirable, and where lack thereof could cause problems, i.e. cracked
tiles, floor board gapping,etc.

As the product is definitely designed to be installed that way, and if
you feel you will get some benefit from the increased stiffness in the
installation as a unit, then definitely both glue and screw.

If not, and having used the product both ways (albeit in a smaller area
without glue), I would consider without glue as long as I was not
concerned about both the product warranty itself, and not having to
warrant any of the layers of overlaid flooring ... be a PITA, but you
can always go back and reinstall with glue in your situation if you have
unique problems for your situation.

YMMV ...

Be interested to hear -MIKE- chime him on how his shop installation of
the product is faring ...

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