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what happened to Grizzly in PA?
I just ordered some magnetic switches last night from Grizzly.
I went to their site and noticed the tent sales, ... hmmm no tent sales in Muncy PA... Hey wait, no store in Muncy PA.. When did that happen? are they in trouble? -- Jeff |
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On 4/5/2016 1:44 PM, woodchucker wrote:
I just ordered some magnetic switches last night from Grizzly. I went to their site and noticed the tent sales, ... hmmm no tent sales in Muncy PA... Hey wait, no store in Muncy PA.. When did that happen? are they in trouble? in answer to my own question Oct 31st 2015 was their last shipment from there. Oh well, I would take a trip there once a year and stock up on stuff. It was a wierd place for a machine company, not near a harbor, or roadways. I don't know if it had rail lines to it, I doubt it. -- Jeff |
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On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 13:44:10 -0400
woodchucker wrote: When did that happen? are they in trouble? got a catalog and it says there are two stores with tent sales did not know they had stores but my guess is that expense of a store front cuts deep into the bottom line and the numbers are probably easy to see did not know they carried so many products either do the stores double as fulfillment centers for grizzly if so they might be consolidating centers to save money there also amazon had so many trucks coming going to one center that the mayor was going to shut them down |
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On 4/14/2016 11:27 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
amazon had so many trucks coming going to one center that the mayor was going to shut them down I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind. |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/14/2016 11:27 AM, Electric Comet wrote: amazon had so many trucks coming going to one center that the mayor was going to shut them down I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind. Probably didn't donate enough to his reelection campaign. |
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On 4/14/2016 1:33 PM, krw wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/14/2016 11:27 AM, Electric Comet wrote: amazon had so many trucks coming going to one center that the mayor was going to shut them down I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind. Probably didn't donate enough to his reelection campaign. +1 -- Jeff |
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400
Ed Pawlowski wrote: I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind. amazon and taxes are a touchy subject for amazon would bet that they get or got a good deal to set up a fulfilment center there and probably did not pay what a mom and pop would pay it is possible they got big tax breaks and also possible that they routed more products through there and the mayor could no longer allow them to roll over him and his streets without paying for it that is the more likely scenario |
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On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 12:35:09 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400 Ed Pawlowski wrote: I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind. amazon and taxes are a touchy subject for amazon would bet that they get or got a good deal to set up a fulfilment center there and probably did not pay what a mom and pop would pay it is possible they got big tax breaks and also possible that they routed more products through there and the mayor could no longer allow them to roll over him and his streets without paying for it that is the more likely scenario My understanding is that truck traffic around the Christmas holiday season was interfering with residents daily routines. This was what I read regarding the issue in Robbinsville, NJ. If somewhere else, then I am uninformed. http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2..._nj_tow .html |
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On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 1:45:44 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 12:35:09 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400 Ed Pawlowski wrote: I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind. amazon and taxes are a touchy subject for amazon would bet that they get or got a good deal to set up a fulfilment center there and probably did not pay what a mom and pop would pay it is possible they got big tax breaks and also possible that they routed more products through there and the mayor could no longer allow them to roll over him and his streets without paying for it that is the more likely scenario My understanding is that truck traffic around the Christmas holiday season was interfering with residents daily routines. This was what I read regarding the issue in Robbinsville, NJ. If somewhere else, then I am uninformed.. http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2..._nj_tow .html apparently caused by Amazon employees as well, not just truck traffic... |
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On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 1:45:44 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 12:35:09 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400 Ed Pawlowski wrote: I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind. amazon and taxes are a touchy subject for amazon would bet that they get or got a good deal to set up a fulfilment center there and probably did not pay what a mom and pop would pay it is possible they got big tax breaks and also possible that they routed more products through there and the mayor could no longer allow them to roll over him and his streets without paying for it that is the more likely scenario My understanding is that truck traffic around the Christmas holiday season was interfering with residents daily routines. This was what I read regarding the issue in Robbinsville, NJ. If somewhere else, then I am uninformed. http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2..._nj_tow .html apparently caused by Amazon employees as well, not just truck traffic... But - we want all of those jobs and the revenue that they will generate... -- -Mike- |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 10:45:41 -0700 (PDT)
wrote: read regarding the issue in Robbinsville, NJ. If somewhere else, then I am uninformed. i do not know what town the report came from it was a short news blurb i read somewhere there is a move by amazon to not allow shipments from sellers that use FBA it was speculation that reducing shipments from sellers would alleviate traffic at the fulfilment centers |
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On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 4:40:51 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 10:45:41 -0700 (PDT) wrote: read regarding the issue in Robbinsville, NJ. If somewhere else, then I am uninformed. i do not know what town the report came from it was a short news blurb i read somewhere there is a move by amazon to not allow shipments from sellers that use FBA it was speculation that reducing shipments from sellers would alleviate traffic at the fulfilment centers Holy Cow! I tawt I taw a capital letter! I did, I did! |
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On 4/15/2016 12:33 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400 Ed Pawlowski wrote: I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind. amazon and taxes are a touchy subject for amazon would bet that they get or got a good deal to set up a fulfilment center there and probably did not pay what a mom and pop would pay it is possible they got big tax breaks and also possible that they routed more products through there and the mayor could no longer allow them to roll over him and his streets without paying for it that is the more likely scenario Timing is everything. I made a joke about taxes but. . . On the CT new last night they showed the opening of the new Amazon fulfillment center in Windsor, CT.. They mentioned that the town gave them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800. |
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On Friday, April 15, 2016 at 4:51:25 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/15/2016 12:33 PM, Electric Comet wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:02:01 -0400 Ed Pawlowski wrote: I wonder if he looked at the taxes they paid and changed his mind. amazon and taxes are a touchy subject for amazon would bet that they get or got a good deal to set up a fulfilment center there and probably did not pay what a mom and pop would pay it is possible they got big tax breaks and also possible that they routed more products through there and the mayor could no longer allow them to roll over him and his streets without paying for it that is the more likely scenario Timing is everything. I made a joke about taxes but. . . On the CT new last night they showed the opening of the new Amazon fulfillment center in Windsor, CT.. They mentioned that the town gave them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800. I believe they received some tax breaks in NJ as well...Flat rate fee rather than percentage of sales/profit...Employing thousands of locals gives them some negotiation power... |
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On 2016-04-15, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
They mentioned that the town gave them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Pretty much what WW does. When the 5 yrs is up, they shut the old store, build a new one, and once again enjoy newly established tax perks. Allegedly will employ 800. .....and pay them so little, employees cannot affort medical, which the county now hasta carry. Old news. nb |
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On 15 Apr 2016 21:02:18 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2016-04-15, Ed Pawlowski wrote: They mentioned that the town gave them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Pretty much what WW does. When the 5 yrs is up, they shut the old store, build a new one, and once again enjoy newly established tax perks. Gee, the WW stores around us haven't closed. I suspect it's because they're making money. Allegedly will employ 800. ....and pay them so little, employees cannot affort medical, which the county now hasta carry. Old news. No one is being *forced* to work there. |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:51:24 -0400
Ed Pawlowski wrote: them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800. from what i have heard we might say they will enslave 800 the bit i read mentioned the centers were hot and the environment is very high time pressure where mistakes are not allowed because they cut deep into the bottom line |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 14:17:02 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:51:24 -0400 Ed Pawlowski wrote: them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800. from what i have heard we might say they will enslave 800 the bit i read mentioned the centers were hot and the environment is very high time pressure where mistakes are not allowed because they cut deep into the bottom line I'm sure they'd get ****ed if you forgot the shift key. |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:09:41 -0400, krw wrote:
On 15 Apr 2016 21:02:18 GMT, notbob wrote: On 2016-04-15, Ed Pawlowski wrote: They mentioned that the town gave them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Pretty much what WW does. When the 5 yrs is up, they shut the old store, build a new one, and once again enjoy newly established tax perks. Gee, the WW stores around us haven't closed. I suspect it's because they're making money. Allegedly will employ 800. ....and pay them so little, employees cannot affort medical, which the county now hasta carry. Old news. No one is being *forced* to work there. Three of Sam's joint have closed in the area, all replaced with new stores, all had tax incentives on property taxes. Which will hopefully be offset by sales taxes. Having bills to be paid ain't coercion, it is not voluteering either. |
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On 4/15/2016 5:02 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2016-04-15, Ed Pawlowski wrote: They mentioned that the town gave them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Pretty much what WW does. When the 5 yrs is up, they shut the old store, build a new one, and once again enjoy newly established tax perks. Allegedly will employ 800. ....and pay them so little, employees cannot affort medical, which the county now hasta carry. Old news. nb Good reason to learn a skill and have an education. Part time $12.25/hr Full time up to $13.25 https://amazon.force.com/JobDetails?...0000011ywSrMAI Other positions pay more but I did not see particulars. Amazon offers competitive packages including comprehensive health care, 401(k), restricted stock units, growth potential and a challenging and exciting work environment. At the job fair, Amazon officials will provide candidates with information about the company and the application process. It will explain what a day in the life of a fulfillment associate is like and explain benefits, including the Career Choice program, where Amazon will prepay or reimburse up to 95 percent of tuition for courses related to in-demand fields, regardless of whether the skills are relevant to the company. |
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On 4/15/2016 5:17 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:51:24 -0400 Ed Pawlowski wrote: them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800. from what i have heard we might say they will enslave 800 the bit i read mentioned the centers were hot and the environment is very high time pressure where mistakes are not allowed because they cut deep into the bottom line Most factory and warehouse jobs are hot in the summer. Very few have AC. Nor have I ever seen a place say "we don't care if you make mistakes, no big deal" |
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On 4/15/2016 6:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/15/2016 5:17 PM, Electric Comet wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:51:24 -0400 Ed Pawlowski wrote: them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800. from what i have heard we might say they will enslave 800 the bit i read mentioned the centers were hot and the environment is very high time pressure where mistakes are not allowed because they cut deep into the bottom line Most factory and warehouse jobs are hot in the summer. Very few have AC. Nor have I ever seen a place say "we don't care if you make mistakes, no big deal" Mistakes are a fact of life. Any company that expects no mistakes is not long for the business world. I worked for a company like that and it wasted way too much productive time to insure minimal mistakes instead of concentrating on what is ultimately the most important thing, the customer. They went out of business. A mistakes by workers do not affect the bottom line on a continuous basis. Mistakes by management that is not recognized and corrected affects the bottom line. |
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On 4/15/2016 7:30 PM, Leon wrote:
On 4/15/2016 6:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/15/2016 5:17 PM, Electric Comet wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:51:24 -0400 Ed Pawlowski wrote: them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800. from what i have heard we might say they will enslave 800 the bit i read mentioned the centers were hot and the environment is very high time pressure where mistakes are not allowed because they cut deep into the bottom line Most factory and warehouse jobs are hot in the summer. Very few have AC. Nor have I ever seen a place say "we don't care if you make mistakes, no big deal" Mistakes are a fact of life. Any company that expects no mistakes is not long for the business world. I worked for a company like that and it wasted way too much productive time to insure minimal mistakes instead of concentrating on what is ultimately the most important thing, the customer. They went out of business. A mistakes by workers do not affect the bottom line on a continuous basis. Mistakes by management that is not recognized and corrected affects the bottom line. Mistakes happen, but you should be striving for 100%. We can't pass judgement on this because we don't have facts, just a comment made by E Comet. Are workers fired on their first mistake? Or are they fired after a few and the worker does not care and is not trying. I've has plenty of them over the years. Some don't make the day. |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:44:45 -0500, Markem
wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 17:09:41 -0400, krw wrote: On 15 Apr 2016 21:02:18 GMT, notbob wrote: On 2016-04-15, Ed Pawlowski wrote: They mentioned that the town gave them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Pretty much what WW does. When the 5 yrs is up, they shut the old store, build a new one, and once again enjoy newly established tax perks. Gee, the WW stores around us haven't closed. I suspect it's because they're making money. Allegedly will employ 800. ....and pay them so little, employees cannot affort medical, which the county now hasta carry. Old news. No one is being *forced* to work there. Three of Sam's joint have closed in the area, all replaced with new stores, all had tax incentives on property taxes. Which will hopefully be offset by sales taxes. Having bills to be paid ain't coercion, it is not voluteering either. There *are* other jobs. I have no pity for people who whine about their jobs but refuse to do anything about it. Less for people who whine about others' jobs. |
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On 4/15/2016 8:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/15/2016 7:30 PM, Leon wrote: On 4/15/2016 6:13 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/15/2016 5:17 PM, Electric Comet wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:51:24 -0400 Ed Pawlowski wrote: them $3.5 million in breaks over 5 years. Allegedly will employ 800. from what i have heard we might say they will enslave 800 the bit i read mentioned the centers were hot and the environment is very high time pressure where mistakes are not allowed because they cut deep into the bottom line Most factory and warehouse jobs are hot in the summer. Very few have AC. Nor have I ever seen a place say "we don't care if you make mistakes, no big deal" Mistakes are a fact of life. Any company that expects no mistakes is not long for the business world. I worked for a company like that and it wasted way too much productive time to insure minimal mistakes instead of concentrating on what is ultimately the most important thing, the customer. They went out of business. A mistakes by workers do not affect the bottom line on a continuous basis. Mistakes by management that is not recognized and corrected affects the bottom line. Mistakes happen, but you should be striving for 100%. We can't pass judgement on this because we don't have facts, just a comment made by E Comet. Certainly, but out of 200~300 orders over the coarse of a week, and those orders having an average of 50 pieces, is a lot of picking and shipping. We double checked each pulled order with two different people, other than the puller, and if a mistake got shipped all three were penalized monetarily. Inventory counts tended to be extremely accurate and if a customer said they did not get a part we would check the bin count against what the computer indicated. If the count was right the puller and checkers were still penalized. Totally ridiculous. Because we seldom made a mistake the customers were seldom upset as our competition screwed up on every order. Are workers fired on their first mistake? Or are they fired after a few and the worker does not care and is not trying. I've has plenty of them over the years. Some don't make the day. If the worker is good but makes mistakes it is up to management to find a solution, whether that would be putting the employee in another position that better suits him or dismissing. |
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On 4/16/2016 9:12 AM, Leon wrote:
Mistakes happen, but you should be striving for 100%. We can't pass judgement on this because we don't have facts, just a comment made by E Comet. Certainly, but out of 200~300 orders over the coarse of a week, and those orders having an average of 50 pieces, is a lot of picking and shipping. We double checked each pulled order with two different people, other than the puller, and if a mistake got shipped all three were penalized monetarily. Inventory counts tended to be extremely accurate and if a customer said they did not get a part we would check the bin count against what the computer indicated. If the count was right the puller and checkers were still penalized. Totally ridiculous. Because we seldom made a mistake the customers were seldom upset as our competition screwed up on every order. Can't speak for Amazon. but most picking in large warehouses is automated and checking is a matter of scanning bar codes. A friend's daughter works in a place where pickers wear a headset and it directs them to the bins. If the worker is good but makes mistakes it is up to management to find a solution, whether that would be putting the employee in another position that better suits him or dismissing. Right, but the comment was made that Amazon does not tolerate mistakes. Simple statement with nothing to put it into proper context. |
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 19:13:04 -0400
Ed Pawlowski wrote: Most factory and warehouse jobs are hot in the summer. Very few have AC. Nor have I ever seen a place say "we don't care if you make mistakes, no big deal" that is watering it down a bit or maybe i did the amazon centers are a not a typical warehouse operation amazon daisy chains shipments often you buy 5 prodcuts but they cannot be fulfilled from a single place so your shipment might start at ct then go to mo then to pa then finally to you increase in complexity means they have to run a much tighter ship or the bottom line gets hurt and at their volume that would hurt a lot technology helps but there is always a human factor |
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On 4/16/2016 10:53 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
There are 17 glassdoor reviews for fulfillment associate at Amazon. They complain about long hours, hard work, short breaks, lazy co- workers, and no medical, but didn't see anything about any kind of unusual handling of mistakes. Those are typical complaints from 90% of workers at 99% of companies. Amazon does state there is mandatory overtime. Staples warehouse and probably many others do that when the company advertises a specific delivery time. |
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On 4/16/2016 9:19 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/16/2016 9:12 AM, Leon wrote: Mistakes happen, but you should be striving for 100%. We can't pass judgement on this because we don't have facts, just a comment made by E Comet. Certainly, but out of 200~300 orders over the coarse of a week, and those orders having an average of 50 pieces, is a lot of picking and shipping. We double checked each pulled order with two different people, other than the puller, and if a mistake got shipped all three were penalized monetarily. Inventory counts tended to be extremely accurate and if a customer said they did not get a part we would check the bin count against what the computer indicated. If the count was right the puller and checkers were still penalized. Totally ridiculous. Because we seldom made a mistake the customers were seldom upset as our competition screwed up on every order. Can't speak for Amazon. but most picking in large warehouses is automated and checking is a matter of scanning bar codes. A friend's daughter works in a place where pickers wear a headset and it directs them to the bins. If the worker is good but makes mistakes it is up to management to find a solution, whether that would be putting the employee in another position that better suits him or dismissing. Right, but the comment was made that Amazon does not tolerate mistakes. Simple statement with nothing to put it into proper context. FWIW I was totally agreeing with you. ;~) |
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Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
: If the worker is good but makes mistakes it is up to management to find a solution, whether that would be putting the employee in another position that better suits him or dismissing. Well, the third possibility there is that the job is set up to make mistakes likely. In that case changing the process is the solution - changing the worker just means you have a new guy making mistakes. There is a whole field of engineering, Industrial Engineering, focused on how to set up processes to maximize efficiency and minimize the opportunities for error. John |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 08:30:00 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 19:13:04 -0400 Ed Pawlowski wrote: Most factory and warehouse jobs are hot in the summer. Very few have AC. Nor have I ever seen a place say "we don't care if you make mistakes, no big deal" that is watering it down a bit or maybe i did the amazon centers are a not a typical warehouse operation amazon daisy chains shipments often you buy 5 prodcuts but they cannot be fulfilled from a single place so your shipment might start at ct then go to mo then to pa then finally to you increase in complexity means they have to run a much tighter ship or the bottom line gets hurt and at their volume that would hurt a lot technology helps but there is always a human factor Other than eliminating necessary punctuation and upper-case letters, How does any of the above change the issue? It's **** work. No one said anything other. Suck it up, kid. |
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