I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?

On 9/21/2015 12:48 PM, Leon wrote:
I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?
yea, I noticed that too.
Also having a tough time locating simple screws..
Seems like they went off the deep end.
Not a great design.

I think many sites lose track of simplicity.
to many of the young crowd (developers) they think it's intuitive.
But not to me. Too many make it easy so they can develop it, but not so
it's functionable.

--
Jeff

On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:03:20 -0400, woodchucker
wrote:

On 9/21/2015 12:48 PM, Leon wrote:
I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?
yea, I noticed that too.
Also having a tough time locating simple screws..
Seems like they went off the deep end.
Not a great design.

I think many sites lose track of simplicity.
to many of the young crowd (developers) they think it's intuitive.
But not to me. Too many make it easy so they can develop it, but not so
it's functionable.

No kidding, I find that everywhere, what happened to the expression
tell it to me as though I were an idiot. Now I'm not getting any
younger but it seems like making it flashy is more important then
making it work. Hmmm kind of like are government.

Mike M

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 5:33:42 PM UTC-4, Mike M wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:03:20 -0400, woodchucker
wrote:

On 9/21/2015 12:48 PM, Leon wrote:
I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?
yea, I noticed that too.
Also having a tough time locating simple screws..
Seems like they went off the deep end.
Not a great design.

I think many sites lose track of simplicity.
to many of the young crowd (developers) they think it's intuitive.
But not to me. Too many make it easy so they can develop it, but not so
it's functionable.

No kidding, I find that everywhere, what happened to the expression
tell it to me as though I were an idiot. Now I'm not getting any
younger but it seems like making it flashy is more important then
making it work. Hmmm kind of like are government.

Mike M

If you want to hear about the ridiculous process for developing a government website, listen to this podcast:

https://soundcloud.com/replyall/34-dmv-nation

On 9/21/2015 2:03 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 9/21/2015 12:48 PM, Leon wrote:
I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?
yea, I noticed that too.
Also having a tough time locating simple screws..
Seems like they went off the deep end.
Not a great design.


Exactly, thank goodness I had a part number. After 30 minutes I got
tired of hunting.



I think many sites lose track of simplicity.
to many of the young crowd (developers) they think it's intuitive.
But not to me. Too many make it easy so they can develop it, but not so
it's functionable.

On 09/21/2015 11:48 AM, Leon wrote:
I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?

Haven't had any recent need so no direct contact suggestion.

I did look at the McF web site; it appears to be using the same package
at the Grainger site. Not terribly surprising once the Grainger
accounting folks got McFeely fully integrated.

As for the question specifically, I'd probably use the "live chat" or
contact tech support by (gasp!) actually dialing the phone and see how
it goes when ask for the specific product. That'll probably immediately
tell you whether it's time to switch vendors or they're still capable
_despite_ corporate.

--

On 9/21/2015 2:36 PM, dpb wrote:
On 09/21/2015 11:48 AM, Leon wrote:
I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?

Haven't had any recent need so no direct contact suggestion.

I did look at the McF web site; it appears to be using the same package
at the Grainger site. Not terribly surprising once the Grainger
accounting folks got McFeely fully integrated.

As for the question specifically, I'd probably use the "live chat" or
contact tech support by (gasp!) actually dialing the phone and see how
it goes when ask for the specific product.

I tried the live chat. I waited 5 minutes for every response and each
seemed to be referring me to click on something that did not exist.
And then the responses were so illiterate that I think Hodgi was doing
the typing.

I hate calling. I would rather browse.





That'll probably immediately
tell you whether it's time to switch vendors or they're still capable
_despite_ corporate.

I do believe it is time.

On 9/21/2015 3:36 PM, dpb wrote:
On 09/21/2015 11:48 AM, Leon wrote:
I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?

Haven't had any recent need so no direct contact suggestion.

I did look at the McF web site; it appears to be using the same package
at the Grainger site. Not terribly surprising once the Grainger
accounting folks got McFeely fully integrated.

As for the question specifically, I'd probably use the "live chat" or
contact tech support by (gasp!) actually dialing the phone and see how
it goes when ask for the specific product. That'll probably immediately
tell you whether it's time to switch vendors or they're still capable
_despite_ corporate.

--


Oh really? That explains alot. Grainger is one of the worst sites. I
think all the hard goods guys. Enco, MSC... they suck too.



--
Jeff

On 9/21/2015 3:36 PM, dpb wrote:


I did look at the McF web site; it appears to be using the same package
at the Grainger site. Not terribly surprising once the Grainger
accounting folks got McFeely fully integrated.


I used to buy from Grainger a couple of times a month, the old fashioned
way over the phone. At some point both Grainger an McMaster put up web
sites. I hate using the Granger web site and order maybe once a year.
McMaster is easy to use and gets 99% of the business..

In article , lcb11211
@swbelldotnet says...

I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

??? There's a picture of a cell phone about a third of the way down on
the right side of the main page and next to it "ANYWHERE ANY DEVICE
CATALOG" that, when you click it, opens a catalog. It's a crappily
implemented catalog that seems to take forever and a day to load a page
and gives the impression that it's nothing but blank pages until you let
it sit for a while, but it _is_ a catalog.

Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?

I haven't ordered screws in quite some time, however the last time I did
I think it was from Highland Hardware. If I needed some right now I'd
probably try the Fastenal down the street. McMaster of course has just
about anything.

On 9/21/2015 4:27 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , lcb11211
@swbelldotnet says...

I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

??? There's a picture of a cell phone about a third of the way down on
the right side of the main page and next to it "ANYWHERE ANY DEVICE
CATALOG" that, when you click it, opens a catalog. It's a crappily
implemented catalog that seems to take forever and a day to load a page
and gives the impression that it's nothing but blank pages until you let
it sit for a while, but it _is_ a catalog.


I use their chat and the "who ever" indicated to look for a telephone.
I never found it.

Now I found it. I saw that and thought it was an app. thank you.


Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?

I haven't ordered screws in quite some time, however the last time I did
I think it was from Highland Hardware. If I needed some right now I'd
probably try the Fastenal down the street. McMaster of course has just
about anything.



I'll look at Highland and Fastenal. I tried McMaster and was
unsuccessful. Strangely enough.

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 5:26:07 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:

I'll look at Highland and Fastenal. I tried McMaster and was
unsuccessful. Strangely enough.

After my recent unsatisfactory experience with Spax, I decided that they do have their use, but I can't carry a hardware store of different screws with me. I need a good, strong, 3 - 3 1/4" screw, and when I saw the Spax at 3 1/4' (or something close) I bit. They are OK, and when in a place where I can get over the screws they are great.

For what I do, they are OK. But I now have about 250 or so of them, and will use them all since I found that the sell the genuine Spax driver separately for about a buck and a half.

After that, off to Fastenal, or like Lew said, Jamestown. Many years ago, I think at Lew's suggestion, I bought a bunch of all stainless screw for a large commercial repair. They were excellent quality, and in the end, I didn't care about the price since I was so pleased with the product.

Robert

On 9/21/2015 5:50 PM, wrote:
On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 5:26:07 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:

I'll look at Highland and Fastenal. I tried McMaster and was
unsuccessful. Strangely enough.

After my recent unsatisfactory experience with Spax, I decided that
they do have their use, but I can't carry a hardware store of
different screws with me. I need a good, strong, 3 - 3 1/4" screw,
and when I saw the Spax at 3 1/4' (or something close) I bit. They
are OK, and when in a place where I can get over the screws they are
great.

For what I do, they are OK. But I now have about 250 or so of them,
and will use them all since I found that the sell the genuine Spax
driver separately for about a buck and a half.

After that, off to Fastenal, or like Lew said, Jamestown. Many years
ago, I think at Lew's suggestion, I bought a bunch of all stainless
screw for a large commercial repair. They were excellent quality,
and in the end, I didn't care about the price since I was so pleased
with the product.

Robert


Wow Thanks Robert. I already forgot that a lot of the Spax screws use
the Torx Plus drive. That alone is a problem for me. The older Fein
Multimasters use that drive and I find I have to be deliberate when
inserting the wrench, not like square drive. And that is with the
wrench in my hand going relatively straight in. With a screw you seldom
start straight and the bit is 8~10" from your hand.

Kim almost pulled the trigger for me when she saw the Spax/Festool screw
assortment, 1300 screws with Festool Systainer. Really a good deal.

Anyway don't let your Spax screw experience detour you from all Spax. I
don't use many Spax screws but HD carries Spax Lag Screws. They have
the expected hex head that you put a common wrench or socket on and they
are much higher quality and stronger than the common lag screw. I used
them to hang my lumber rack on the wall. I did not want to break a 5"
lag screw.

On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 8:44:02 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:

With a screw you seldom
start straight and the bit is 8~10" from your hand.

Exactly my problem. I encountered this when trying to attach a runner under a cabinet that was wet for some time, then the "legs" of the carcass began to rot. With a new marble top going on and me unable to remove the cabinets without tearing up the wall treatments, I decided to get my butt face down on the floor and reach under the cabinets to attach new legs/runners when the kick was off. This became a project unto itself, with me resorting to starting the screw on the 2x4, then positioning it, and finally driving the screw.

Not a chance.

After a about a half hour of wrestling with them, I went out to the truck and got some square drive, galvanized screws that were on plastic tape for a screw gun. Problem solved. Spax, back in the tool box.

Anyway don't let your Spax screw experience detour you from all Spax. I
don't use many Spax screws but HD carries Spax Lag Screws. They have
the expected hex head that you put a common wrench or socket on and they
are much higher quality and stronger than the common lag screw. I used
them to hang my lumber rack on the wall. I did not want to break a 5"
lag screw.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy Spax for a specific job or purpose, but I want utility type screws for my everyday repairs. I often find myself reaching inside framing structures, inside walls, and generally in tight places where I can't be right over the work with the driver nearly perpendicular to the work. I saw those whopper Spax screws... impressive.

When I finally get to Fastenal, I will let you know if I find something for general utility use.

Robert

On 9/21/2015 5:50 PM, wrote:
On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 5:26:07 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:

I'll look at Highland and Fastenal. I tried McMaster and was
unsuccessful. Strangely enough.

After my recent unsatisfactory experience with Spax, I decided that
they do have their use, but I can't carry a hardware store of
different screws with me. I need a good, strong, 3 - 3 1/4" screw,
and when I saw the Spax at 3 1/4' (or something close) I bit. They
are OK, and when in a place where I can get over the screws they are
great.

For what I do, they are OK. But I now have about 250 or so of them,
and will use them all since I found that the sell the genuine Spax
driver separately for about a buck and a half.

After that, off to Fastenal, or like Lew said, Jamestown. Many years
ago, I think at Lew's suggestion, I bought a bunch of all stainless
screw for a large commercial repair. They were excellent quality,
and in the end, I didn't care about the price since I was so pleased
with the product.

Robert


FWIW the Festool/Spax screw assortment from Highland has all
combo/Philips heads according to a rep.

This is a great deal but I really don't use flat top screws anymore
these days. ;~(

On 9/21/2015 5:50 PM, wrote:

I didn't care about the price since I was so pleased with the product.

We can't have that attitude around here.
It causes butthut ...

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On 9/21/2015 5:50 PM, wrote:
After my recent unsatisfactory experience with Spax, I decided that they do have their use, but I can't carry a hardware store of different screws with me. I need a good, strong, 3 - 3 1/4" screw, and when I saw the Spax at 3 1/4' (or something close) I bit. They are OK, and when in a place where I can get over the screws they are great.

I use Spax mostly for when I need something to withstand sheer force and
has has a smaller head/will be plugged or out of sight. And yes, best to
use their included driver bit if you want good results.

For installing side by side cabinet runs I've had good luck with FastCap
cabinet screws; and they can fitted with a plastic cap for appearance if
necessary.

The 1 1/4 size and that big head insure they will not penetrate two
layers of 3/4" plywood casework

I carry two sizes of these in the truck:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...94446452840 2

Mostly filled with #8 square drive screws from Circle Saw here in
Houston. Also buy Rockler for those cases where I'm sure they will not
twist off (have learned to pre-drill the longer Rockler screws in
hardwoods to be safe).

Except for Spax, drywall and deck screws, I rarely buy any screw from
the Borgs.

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"Leon" wrote:

I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?

------------------------------------------------
Check out Jamestown Distributors.

Excellent marine supplier.

May be a tad expensive.

Lew

On 9/21/2015 4:30 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Leon" wrote:

I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?

------------------------------------------------
Check out Jamestown Distributors.

Excellent marine supplier.

May be a tad expensive.

Lew

I found Quick Screws. They beat the hell out of McFeeleys on price but
limited selection. I'll take a look at Jamestown.

Expensive is an inexpensive screw that breaks. ;~)

Thanks Lew.

On 9/21/2015 11:48 AM, Leon wrote:
I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?


O! M! G!

I found Festool Screws! ;~)

http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/f...ax-screws.aspx

On 9/21/2015 12:48 PM, Leon wrote:
I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?

The original McFeelys had a wealth of information too. Gone. All sorts
of information on selecting the proper screw is nowhere to been seen
these days.

In article ,
says...

On 9/21/2015 12:48 PM, Leon wrote:
I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

Where do you buy your "quality" square drive screws?

The original McFeelys had a wealth of information too. Gone. All sorts
of information on selecting the proper screw is nowhere to been seen
these days.

I just read through the online catalog and it's mostly there.
The catalog remains a pain though, however once it downloads it seems to
stay downloaded.

In article
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
I seldom get a catalog any more and their web site no longer has one.
You now must use the "Screw Selector" and it leaves screws out.

I have a 2015 catalog that came along with my last order (I forget
whether I checked something to request a catalog).



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