Well it's here (in North America), at least orders are being taken for
it. Arrival is expected in March 2015

http://www.toolnut.com/Sawstop_JSS_M...a.htm?CartID=1

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Well it's here (in North America), at least orders are being taken for
it. Arrival is expected in March 2015

http://www.toolnut.com/Sawstop_JSS_M...a.htm?CartID=1


Only a few dollars more than the Ryobi saw used by Carlos Osorio, the
flooring contractor's employee...!! Not!

On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:49:58 -0500, John Grossbohlin wrote:

Only a few dollars more than the Ryobi saw used by Carlos Osorio, the
flooring contractor's employee...!! Not!

But I bet that contractor (and a lot of others) puts one on order :-).

"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message ...

On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:49:58 -0500, John Grossbohlin wrote:

Only a few dollars more than the Ryobi saw used by Carlos Osorio, the
flooring contractor's employee...!! Not!

But I bet that contractor (and a lot of others) puts one on order :-).

Here is another take on things: Because the Job Site Saw has the flesh
sensing technology guys like Osorio will feel that is perfectly safe to
freehand wood through the saw without a fence, miter gauge, sled, etc. The
Saw Stop technology could thus be viewed as facilitating the unsafe use of
the table saw.

On 12/7/2014 5:47 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Larry Blanchard" wrote in message ...

On Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:49:58 -0500, John Grossbohlin wrote:

Only a few dollars more than the Ryobi saw used by Carlos Osorio, the
flooring contractor's employee...!! Not!

But I bet that contractor (and a lot of others) puts one on order :-).

Here is another take on things: Because the Job Site Saw has the flesh
sensing technology guys like Osorio will feel that is perfectly safe to
freehand wood through the saw without a fence, miter gauge, sled, etc.
The Saw Stop technology could thus be viewed as facilitating the unsafe
use of the table saw.

No, actually guys like Osorio already feel that way without flesh
sensing technology. Just ask Osorio, Tommy Silva, and Norm Abrams.

On Sunday, December 7, 2014 5:47:04 PM UTC-6, John Grossbohlin wrote:

Here is another take on things: Because the Job Site Saw has the flesh
sensing technology guys like Osorio will feel that is perfectly safe to
freehand wood through the saw without a fence, miter gauge, sled, etc. The
Saw Stop technology could thus be viewed as facilitating the unsafe use of
the table saw.

Or just possibly, maybe, there is an outside chance that the flesh sensing technology will seen as an additional safety feature. I think there are a great deal of folks that welcome any advantage they can get against tool accidents.

These arguments are left over from the teeth gnashing, brittle screaming about civil right violations from a nanny state, and all the other attendant bull**** that went with the initial 1000 post thread(s) over the original SawStop table saw. The outrage, the indignation, the defiant attitudes, the chest pounding proclamations... I remember them well.

I hear the same argument of safety features making folks lose their minds on the knife forum website where I participate. This happens when folding knives with locking blades come up compared to non locking blades. The reasoning there is that others are not nearly as smart as the person posting and will certainly use the knife with a lock blade incorrectly (as a fixed blade) and will wind up with a missing finger or worse simply because having a locking knife will be roughly the equivalent of dropping acid.

Some of the most profound cynics feel that safety features encourage profound stupidity over there, too. Maybe in their world. In my world of workers that use tools to make a living, most welcome a safety feature that actually works. Our only problem is affording the technology.

Robert

On 12/8/2014 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, December 7, 2014 5:47:04 PM UTC-6, John Grossbohlin wrote:

Here is another take on things: Because the Job Site Saw has the flesh
sensing technology guys like Osorio will feel that is perfectly safe to
freehand wood through the saw without a fence, miter gauge, sled, etc. The
Saw Stop technology could thus be viewed as facilitating the unsafe use of
the table saw.

Or just possibly, maybe, there is an outside chance that the flesh sensing technology will seen as an additional safety feature. I think there are a great deal of folks that welcome any advantage they can get against tool accidents.

These arguments are left over from the teeth gnashing, brittle screaming about civil right violations from a nanny state, and all the other attendant bull**** that went with the initial 1000 post thread(s) over the original SawStop table saw. The outrage, the indignation, the defiant attitudes, the chest pounding proclamations... I remember them well.

I hear the same argument of safety features making folks lose their minds on the knife forum website where I participate. This happens when folding knives with locking blades come up compared to non locking blades. The reasoning there is that others are not nearly as smart as the person posting and will certainly use the knife with a lock blade incorrectly (as a fixed blade) and will wind up with a missing finger or worse simply because having a locking knife will be roughly the equivalent of dropping acid.

Some of the most profound cynics feel that safety features encourage profound stupidity over there, too. Maybe in their world. In my world of workers that use tools to make a living, most welcome a safety feature that actually works. Our only problem is affording the technology.

Robert


Very well said Robert. When you actually use these tools you know
better. When you sit back and look for problems you see nothing but
problems and get nothing done.

On Sun, 7 Dec 2014 23:14:33 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Sunday, December 7, 2014 5:47:04 PM UTC-6, John Grossbohlin wrote:

Here is another take on things: Because the Job Site Saw has the flesh
sensing technology guys like Osorio will feel that is perfectly safe to
freehand wood through the saw without a fence, miter gauge, sled, etc. The
Saw Stop technology could thus be viewed as facilitating the unsafe use of
the table saw.

Or just possibly, maybe, there is an outside chance that the flesh sensing technology will seen as an additional safety feature. I think there are a great deal of folks that welcome any advantage they can get against tool accidents.

These arguments are left over from the teeth gnashing, brittle screaming about civil right violations from a nanny state, and all the other attendant bull**** that went with the initial 1000 post thread(s) over the original SawStop table saw. The outrage, the indignation, the defiant attitudes, the chest pounding proclamations... I remember them well.

I hear the same argument of safety features making folks lose their minds on the knife forum website where I participate. This happens when folding knives with locking blades come up compared to non locking blades. The reasoning there is that others are not nearly as smart as the person posting and will certainly use the knife with a lock blade incorrectly (as a fixed blade) and will wind up with a missing finger or worse simply because having a locking knife will be roughly the equivalent of dropping acid.

Some of the most profound cynics feel that safety features encourage profound stupidity over there, too. Maybe in their world. In my world of workers that use tools to make a living, most welcome a safety feature that actually works. Our only problem is affording the technology.

Then again Joe tells Bob hey watch this as he runs a hot dog through
the blade and a $100 or so is down the drain. Guess it depends upon
your help, that is what went through my mind when I saw the posting.

So you set up the GoPro watching the saw, and if it is a finger okay,
if some yahoo does hey watch this, dock his check for the cartridge?

Mark

Bet this one will find a few converts.

It certainly would have improved my $56 version.

http://tinyurl.com/ln8hyp7