I just got off the phone with an idiot at my old ISP. I still keep an
email account there, and my newsgroup.

I noticed I have not been getting emails lately since the 17th.
tbird says downloading 1 of 255 followed by no emails to download.

I asked tech support if anything changed. They tell me NO, that its
tbird delete my account and add it back. I refuse.

I said are you sure nothing has changed. Yes nothing has changed.
Well there's an email from the 11th from you guys saying you are moving
email from one server to another and that there will be sporadic outages
to individual accounts. Response yes but that should not affect you,
you should be fine once that is done.

Well I am not fine... Well then it's TBIRD.

I go into their web mail interface and delete the first email..
Now I can download emails.

HOW ****ING STUPID these idiots are.

This is the second issue in a month. My current ISP also made changes 3
months ago. I never was notified. They changed the ports and mail server.

They said the old ones should still work... but guess what... it didn't.
But the first thing they tell you is that there are no changes.
Well there was... and obviously the change they made to remove the old
servers that day caused an outage. Because until that day I was still
coming in under the old servers and was fine.


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On 4/28/2014 10:37 AM, woodchucker wrote:

HOW ****ING STUPID these idiots are.

What do you expect in the "Information Age", when twenty something
numbnuts are unarguably in charge of serving up "information"?

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 10:48:39 -0500, Swingman wrote:

HOW ****ING STUPID these idiots are.

What do you expect in the "Information Age", when twenty something
numbnuts are unarguably in charge of serving up "information"?

And it's not just online. I read books, magazines, and the daily paper.
I'm constantly irritated by missing words, mis-spelled words, duplicated
words (or whole lines or paragraphs), wrong words, atrocious grammar, and
on and on.

And any article with math or arithmetic in it is as often wrong as right.

I'm sure I make the occasional such mistake, as all of us do. But the
frequency of such mistakes in printed matter just keeps growing.

Sigh.

On 4/28/2014 10:37 AM, woodchucker wrote:
I just got off the phone with an idiot at my old ISP. I still keep an
email account there, and my newsgroup.

I noticed I have not been getting emails lately since the 17th.
tbird says downloading 1 of 255 followed by no emails to download.

I asked tech support if anything changed. They tell me NO, that its
tbird delete my account and add it back. I refuse.

I said are you sure nothing has changed. Yes nothing has changed.
Well there's an email from the 11th from you guys saying you are moving
email from one server to another and that there will be sporadic outages
to individual accounts. Response yes but that should not affect you,
you should be fine once that is done.

Well I am not fine... Well then it's TBIRD.

I go into their web mail interface and delete the first email..
Now I can download emails.

HOW ****ING STUPID these idiots are.

This is the second issue in a month. My current ISP also made changes 3
months ago. I never was notified. They changed the ports and mail server.

They said the old ones should still work... but guess what... it didn't.
But the first thing they tell you is that there are no changes.
Well there was... and obviously the change they made to remove the old
servers that day caused an outage. Because until that day I was still
coming in under the old servers and was fine.




Any any chance are you using IE?

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/new-secur...085229159.html

On 4/28/2014 12:27 PM, Leon wrote:
On 4/28/2014 10:37 AM, woodchucker wrote:
I just got off the phone with an idiot at my old ISP. I still keep an
email account there, and my newsgroup.

I noticed I have not been getting emails lately since the 17th.
tbird says downloading 1 of 255 followed by no emails to download.

I asked tech support if anything changed. They tell me NO, that its
tbird delete my account and add it back. I refuse.

I said are you sure nothing has changed. Yes nothing has changed.
Well there's an email from the 11th from you guys saying you are moving
email from one server to another and that there will be sporadic outages
to individual accounts. Response yes but that should not affect you,
you should be fine once that is done.

Well I am not fine... Well then it's TBIRD.

I go into their web mail interface and delete the first email..
Now I can download emails.

HOW ****ING STUPID these idiots are.

This is the second issue in a month. My current ISP also made changes 3
months ago. I never was notified. They changed the ports and mail server.

They said the old ones should still work... but guess what... it didn't.
But the first thing they tell you is that there are no changes.
Well there was... and obviously the change they made to remove the old
servers that day caused an outage. Because until that day I was still
coming in under the old servers and was fine.




Any any chance are you using IE?

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/new-secur...085229159.html


Never use it... IE is one of the worst piece of crap.
Firefox started emulating them... which has ****ed me off. They had nice
features and dropped them.

When at work, sometimes I am forced to use it.. can't stand it.

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 10:48:39 -0500, Swingman wrote:

On 4/28/2014 10:37 AM, woodchucker wrote:

HOW ****ING STUPID these idiots are.

What do you expect in the "Information Age", when twenty something
numbnuts are unarguably in charge of serving up "information"?
Particularly when half of them are in India, half the rest in aother
third world company where english is not their primary language, and
the rest are american computer-game wizards who THINK they are IT
specialists.

I bought an HP G3110 scanner and it would not install on my Win7 64
computer - kept saying it could not install on my incompatible XP64
machine. Took HP support over 3 hours to force the driver to install -
- - - - .

On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:11:26 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 10:48:39 -0500, Swingman wrote:

HOW ****ING STUPID these idiots are.

What do you expect in the "Information Age", when twenty something
numbnuts are unarguably in charge of serving up "information"?

And it's not just online. I read books, magazines, and the daily paper.
I'm constantly irritated by missing words, mis-spelled words, duplicated
words (or whole lines or paragraphs), wrong words, atrocious grammar, and
on and on.

And any article with math or arithmetic in it is as often wrong as right.

I'm sure I make the occasional such mistake, as all of us do. But the
frequency of such mistakes in printed matter just keeps growing.

Sigh.
Our local daily newspaper is electronically typeset in INDIA and I'm
sure the editing and proofreading that does get done is done there
too. The grammar is getting atrocious, and it is nothing to see an
article end in mid-sentance.

wrote in :

I bought an HP G3110 scanner and it would not install on my Win7 64
computer - kept saying it could not install on my incompatible XP64
machine. Took HP support over 3 hours to force the driver to install -
- - - - .

HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're apathetic, they're
incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.

I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that "Hewlett Packard" sounds
like "Useless *******" for a *reason*.

"Doug Miller" wrote:

HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're
apathetic, they're
incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.

I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that
"Hewlett Packard" sounds
like "Useless *******" for a *reason*.
----------------------------------------------------
I refused to even consider HP for anything except printers
based on prior experience.

Bought a printer/scanner/copy device and had problems that HP
promptly addressed or at least they tried.

After sending out 5-6 rebuilds as an in warranty replacement,
none of which worked, they finally sent out a new unit.

Problem solved.

Would buy another printer/scanner/copy device, but never a puter.


Lew

On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:33:34 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote:

wrote in :

I bought an HP G3110 scanner and it would not install on my Win7 64
computer - kept saying it could not install on my incompatible XP64
machine. Took HP support over 3 hours to force the driver to install -
- - - - .

HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're apathetic, they're
incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.

I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that "Hewlett Packard" sounds
like "Useless *******" for a *reason*.
A few of their printers are pretty decent - most of them built over 6
years ago -but I have not had good experience with ANY of their other
products. The support on the printers is something approaching average
- certainly not exemplary, but at least reasonable The scanner
support was incompetent.

"woodchucker" wrote in message
...

Dont get me started... I could go on for days but I need to sleep!

On 4/28/2014 8:57 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Doug Miller" wrote:

HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're
apathetic, they're
incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.

I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that
"Hewlett Packard" sounds
like "Useless *******" for a *reason*.
----------------------------------------------------
I refused to even consider HP for anything except printers
based on prior experience.

Bought a printer/scanner/copy device and had problems that HP
promptly addressed or at least they tried.

After sending out 5-6 rebuilds as an in warranty replacement,
none of which worked, they finally sent out a new unit.

Problem solved.

Would buy another printer/scanner/copy device, but never a puter.


Lew


I had pretty good luck with a laptop from HP. But I don't like their
printers. Office printers yes, but home printers... no.
Their drivers suck.

I like the cannon series they have been good, separate color ink wells
(first to do it).

I had bought my son an HP years ago. Nothing but problems with the
drivers. They prevented shutdown. Paper was an issue. They had a
template for their own printer for something. Using it prevented
printing to the printer.


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On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:33:34 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote:

wrote in :

I bought an HP G3110 scanner and it would not install on my Win7 64
computer - kept saying it could not install on my incompatible XP64
machine. Took HP support over 3 hours to force the driver to install -
- - - - .

HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're apathetic, they're
incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.

I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that "Hewlett Packard" sounds
like "Useless *******" for a *reason*.

I bought my last HP product (printer) six years ago. It's a great
printer but the software is bloated crap. My next one is most likely
going to be a Brother.

On 4/28/2014 7:33 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
wrote in :

I bought an HP G3110 scanner and it would not install on my Win7 64
computer - kept saying it could not install on my incompatible XP64
machine. Took HP support over 3 hours to force the driver to install -
- - - - .

HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're apathetic, they're
incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.

I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that "Hewlett Packard" sounds
like "Useless *******" for a *reason*.


I bought my last HP printer about 6 years ago, and it is long gone.

On 4/28/2014 7:57 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Doug Miller" wrote:

HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're
apathetic, they're
incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.

I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that
"Hewlett Packard" sounds
like "Useless *******" for a *reason*.
----------------------------------------------------
I refused to even consider HP for anything except printers
based on prior experience.

Bought a printer/scanner/copy device and had problems that HP
promptly addressed or at least they tried.

After sending out 5-6 rebuilds as an in warranty replacement,
none of which worked, they finally sent out a new unit.

Problem solved.

Would buy another printer/scanner/copy device, but never a puter.


Lew



I guess living in California you have learned to be patient. I would
pitch the POS and go with another brand. My absolute last HP printer,
that I paid in excess of $400, was trouble from the word go and the
moment that it went out of warranty there was no repairs from HP to be
had. They did not even want to give an estimate for repairs.

So figure that once out of warranty you buy another if it breaks.

woodchucker wrote in
:

I had pretty good luck with a laptop from HP. But I don't like their
printers. Office printers yes, but home printers... no.
Their drivers suck.

I like the cannon series they have been good, separate color ink wells
(first to do it).

I had bought my son an HP years ago. Nothing but problems with the
drivers. They prevented shutdown. Paper was an issue. They had a
template for their own printer for something. Using it prevented
printing to the printer.



I've got an old HP that I use the drivers from Windows Update for. It's
a much better experience, as it just works. If you have the choice,
install the drivers from Microsoft rather than the HP garbage.

Without the HP drivers, the printer actually used up the ink in the
cartridge. The print got so light I had to change it. It was nice to
use up all the available ink rather than having some piece of garbage
software program tell me it thinks I'm out of ink.

Puckdropper
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"Leon" wrote:

So figure that once out of warranty you buy another if it breaks.
---------------------------------------------
Two things.

Cold day in hell when I would pay $400 for a consumer
grade printer and it goes without question you buy a NEW device
to replace an out of warranty puter type device.

Over 20 years ago bought a Panasonic 4450I for about
$1,200 as an alternate to an HP printer and worth every penny.

Printed 11-12 pages/minute for hours on end.

No longer necessary in today's market.

Lew

Leon wrote:
On 4/28/2014 7:33 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
wrote in
:

I bought an HP G3110 scanner and it would not install on my Win7 64
computer - kept saying it could not install on my incompatible XP64
machine. Took HP support over 3 hours to force the driver to install -
- - - - .

HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're
apathetic, they're
incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.

I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that
"Hewlett Packard" sounds
like "Useless *******" for a *reason*.


I bought my last HP printer about 6 years ago, and it is long gone.

My LaserJet HP-1022 has been Far More *economical* than its HP-ink jet
predecessor.
A $30-40 generic toner cartridge lasts me more than 2 years. No, it
doesn't do color--and I can live with that.

On 4/28/2014 11:35 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Leon" wrote:

So figure that once out of warranty you buy another if it breaks.
---------------------------------------------
Two things.

Cold day in hell when I would pay $400 for a consumer
grade printer and it goes without question you buy a NEW device
to replace an out of warranty puter type device.

That was inexpensive for what I was getting, so to speak. Legal sized
all in one with 5 different color large inks. It's biggest issues was
software, of course. HP had to help set it up the first time and it was
boxed up ready to go back to the store at one time during the first 24
hours. Just out of warranty the scanner quit moving the light/reader
across the platen and its days of scanning were over.


Over 20 years ago bought a Panasonic 4450I for about
$1,200 as an alternate to an HP printer and worth every penny.

1986. Panasonic 9 pin dot matrix, followed by 21 pin same brand.
Neither had a problem other than being noisy. Followed by a Canon
BJ-300, black only bubble jet. Fast and was capable of printing very
thin lines. Replaced because color was becoming common.

Then the HP crap, if you will recall the type that did not use tractor
feed paper. As a result, all paper including HP brand paper did not
feed straight and bordered prints always looked crooked. I put up with
that for years until the last HP, which was the last.
Using Lexmark now and was happy until the last year or so. Print heads
dry out prematurely. Prints good otherwise. Looking to go laser next time.

On 4/28/2014 11:50 PM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 4/28/2014 7:33 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
wrote in
:

I bought an HP G3110 scanner and it would not install on my Win7 64
computer - kept saying it could not install on my incompatible XP64
machine. Took HP support over 3 hours to force the driver to install -
- - - - .

HP tech support is among the worst I've ever encountered. They're
apathetic, they're
incompetent, and worst of all, they're rude.

I tell anyone who's contemplating buying any of their products that
"Hewlett Packard" sounds
like "Useless *******" for a *reason*.


I bought my last HP printer about 6 years ago, and it is long gone.

My LaserJet HP-1022 has been Far More *economical* than its HP-ink jet
predecessor.
A $30-40 generic toner cartridge lasts me more than 2 years. No, it
doesn't do color--and I can live with that.


I am thinking Laser next time but anything but HP, I'm done with their
attitude. I do need color though.

On 4/28/2014 10:14 PM, wrote:

I bought my last HP product (printer) six years ago. It's a great
printer but the software is bloated crap. My next one is most likely
going to be a Brother.

I've owned a bunch of HP's and never had a problem with them. Owned a
Brother and was quite pleased with it. Have a Canon at the lake house
that is eight years old and still going strong. Have two Lexmark's and
will never own another, even if it were the last printer on earth ...
the only printer I've ever owned that I may well take to the range and
put a couple of rounds through it just to make damn sure it doesn't come
back to life.

Funny how experiences differ.


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On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:37:39 -0400, wrote:
The support on the printers is something approaching average
- certainly not exemplary, but at least reasonable The scanner
support was incompetent.

You're right about the scanner support in more ways than one. I had a
really decent HP scanner and it was working great. I upgraded to
Windows 7 and found that HP refused to put out a Win 7 driver for it.
No work around for it anywhere. Sold the scanner for $25 and bought
myself a good Canon scanner. I refuse to have anything more to do with
HP.

You guys got me scared. I need to buy a printer in the next week or two.
And I am having some problems trying to nail down a printer that reviews
well or is sturdy at all.

I have used the HP laserjets for many years and they have held up well and
were very economical. But now I need color. And the color laser printers
do not have the quality of the inkjets and are really expensive to feed.

I have gone out and looked at some inkjets and almost anything out there,
even pricy office models, have some cheap flimsy parts on them. I saw a
couple HP's that were "highly recommended" that had paper trays that were
made from such flimsy materials that they would fall apart by the time you
loaded paper in it a few times.

I don't do that much printing any more. I won't need that much paper or
ink. So I am not concerned bout the price of consumables. I won't buy
bottom of the line. But I won't pay for a big business model that is too
big and expensive.

And we also have the "all in one" multi purpose printer. Do people really
need to copy, fax and scan too?

I am not sure what I am going to do. Looking on Amazon and other sites,
every printer I was considering got a 30% fail rating. That is scary. And
the other strategy I kept reading about is to get an "extended warranty".
Some of those things would actually double the price of the printer. If I
paid twice as much for a printer, would it last longer?

If I had the room, I would keep my old, trusty laserjet. But I need to move
on and get something that will serve my needs now. And it seems that most
of the choices out there are a real crap shoot. I am figuring about $150 to
$200 range.

I will be happy to read any suggestions that you guys have. I need to this
soon. I am pretty sure that I want it to be networkable and wireless.
Reasonable print quality, etc. A color inkjet that will not fall apart from
occasional use. Maybe I should consult a psychic. :-(

On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:30:43 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
Using Lexmark now and was happy until the last year or so. Print heads
dry out prematurely. Prints good otherwise. Looking to go laser next time.

You might want to have a look at Xerox when you go laser. I've got an
old Xerox laser printer that uses solid ink instead of powdered toner.
I was very impressed when I bought it a number of years ago and I'm
still impressed with it.

One thing really nice about solid ink is that you can add it as needed
to the printer even when it's running. Can't do that with toner
cartridges.

http://www.office.xerox.com/product-...0/DN/enus.html

There's cheaper laser printers, but none I've found that are as
convenient.

On 4/29/2014 8:55 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:

You guys got me scared. I need to buy a printer in the next week or
two. And I am having some problems trying to nail down a printer that
reviews well or is sturdy at all.

I have used the HP laserjets for many years and they have held up well
and were very economical. But now I need color. And the color laser
printers do not have the quality of the inkjets and are really expensive
to feed.

I have gone out and looked at some inkjets and almost anything out
there, even pricy office models, have some cheap flimsy parts on them.
I saw a couple HP's that were "highly recommended" that had paper trays
that were made from such flimsy materials that they would fall apart by
the time you loaded paper in it a few times.

Don't let plastic scare you, My last HP was loaded with steel inside and
the scanner locked up.

One of the trends that I see and looking at the refill sections at the
store is the vast number of different cartridges that HP uses. They
tend to go obsolete and or HP changes stiles continuously. Why are they
constantly changing ink cartridges, you might ask yourself. I fear the
reason is to make you upgrade as different cartridges are phased out.




I don't do that much printing any more. I won't need that much paper or
ink. So I am not concerned bout the price of consumables. I won't buy
bottom of the line. But I won't pay for a big business model that is
too big and expensive.

And we also have the "all in one" multi purpose printer. Do people
really need to copy, fax and scan too?

Any more it is hard to get just a printer/scanner W/O FAX. The copier
is a wonderful function along side the scanner.


I am not sure what I am going to do. Looking on Amazon and other sites,
every printer I was considering got a 30% fail rating. That is scary.
And the other strategy I kept reading about is to get an "extended
warranty". Some of those things would actually double the price of the
printer. If I paid twice as much for a printer, would it last longer?

If I had the room, I would keep my old, trusty laserjet. But I need to
move on and get something that will serve my needs now. And it seems
that most of the choices out there are a real crap shoot. I am figuring
about $150 to $200 range.

I will be happy to read any suggestions that you guys have. I need to
this soon. I am pretty sure that I want it to be networkable and
wireless. Reasonable print quality, etc. A color inkjet that will not
fall apart from occasional use. Maybe I should consult a psychic. :-(


I have never ever had an issue with Panasonic, if you can find one or
Canon. I hear nothing but good about Brother and that may be my next
brand or Canon again.

On 4/29/2014 9:13 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:30:43 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
Using Lexmark now and was happy until the last year or so. Print heads
dry out prematurely. Prints good otherwise. Looking to go laser next time.

You might want to have a look at Xerox when you go laser. I've got an
old Xerox laser printer that uses solid ink instead of powdered toner.
I was very impressed when I bought it a number of years ago and I'm
still impressed with it.

Is Xerox still in business? ;~) I looked hard at a Xerox before
getting the Lexmark.





One thing really nice about solid ink is that you can add it as needed
to the printer even when it's running. Can't do that with toner
cartridges.

http://www.office.xerox.com/product-...0/DN/enus.html

There's cheaper laser printers, but none I've found that are as
convenient.


I am not so much into buying a cheap printer as being able to afford
refills. There is something wrong with the picture of ink refills being
80% of the price of simply buying another new printer. Laser might be
another matter.

On 4/29/2014 9:55 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:

You guys got me scared. I need to buy a printer in the next week or
two. And I am having some problems trying to nail down a printer that
reviews well or is sturdy at all.

I have used the HP laserjets for many years and they have held up well
and were very economical. But now I need color. And the color laser
printers do not have the quality of the inkjets and are really expensive
to feed.

I have gone out and looked at some inkjets and almost anything out
there, even pricy office models, have some cheap flimsy parts on them.
I saw a couple HP's that were "highly recommended" that had paper trays
that were made from such flimsy materials that they would fall apart by
the time you loaded paper in it a few times.

I don't do that much printing any more. I won't need that much paper or
ink. So I am not concerned bout the price of consumables. I won't buy
bottom of the line. But I won't pay for a big business model that is
too big and expensive.

And we also have the "all in one" multi purpose printer. Do people
really need to copy, fax and scan too?

I am not sure what I am going to do. Looking on Amazon and other sites,
every printer I was considering got a 30% fail rating. That is scary.
And the other strategy I kept reading about is to get an "extended
warranty". Some of those things would actually double the price of the
printer. If I paid twice as much for a printer, would it last longer?

If I had the room, I would keep my old, trusty laserjet. But I need to
move on and get something that will serve my needs now. And it seems
that most of the choices out there are a real crap shoot. I am figuring
about $150 to $200 range.

I will be happy to read any suggestions that you guys have. I need to
this soon. I am pretty sure that I want it to be networkable and
wireless. Reasonable print quality, etc. A color inkjet that will not
fall apart from occasional use. Maybe I should consult a psychic. :-(





I have an HP 3520. Have had it for over three years and have had no
problems. It will scan, copy and print. Does photos that look
professional. I couldn't be happier.
Also it is network and wireless though I haven't used it that way. Got
it at Office Depot.

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"Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote in news:535faf70$0
:


You guys got me scared. I need to buy a printer in the next week or two.
And I am having some problems trying to nail down a printer that reviews
well or is sturdy at all.

[...]

I've had two Brother printers, ne in my office, one at home, for some years now (one is 4+
years old, and the other must be nearly 10) -- and have had only one problem of any
significance, a software glitch that was fairly easily reset. Both are multi-function units (print,
scan, copy, fax).

Over the years, I've also had several Epson printers, retiring them only when they became
obsolete. When my son's Canon printer died two weeks after he went off to college (four
years ago), we bought him an Epson to replace it. Total problem count for all the Epsons
we've ever owned over all the years we've owned them: zero.

Obviously, I'd recommend either of those brands without hesitation.

The hardware from Useless ******* is well-made, but their software is s**t: install an HP
printer, and then spend the next hour UNinstalling all the useless crapware that comes
along with the printer driver. On top of that, their drivers are poorly written: it's not unusual to
see an HP printer driver using 50% of the CPU time when you're not even printing anything.
And the support is about the worst I've ever experienced: apathetic, incompetent, and rude.

I have no comments on the quality of Epson's tech support -- I've never needed to use it.

The few times when I've had questions for Brother's tech support, they've been very
pleasant and helpful.

Swingman wrote in
:

On 4/28/2014 10:14 PM, wrote:

I bought my last HP product (printer) six years ago. It's a great
printer but the software is bloated crap. My next one is most likely
going to be a Brother.

I've owned a bunch of HP's and never had a problem with them. Owned a
Brother and was quite pleased with it. Have a Canon at the lake house
that is eight years old and still going strong. Have two Lexmark's and
will never own another, even if it were the last printer on earth ...
the only printer I've ever owned that I may well take to the range and
put a couple of rounds through it just to make damn sure it doesn't come
back to life.

Funny how experiences differ.

That's actually not too different from my experience: the HP hardware is fairly well made,
and problems are not frequent. But if you do have a problem... then God help you, trying to
get competent technical support from those clowns.

That's why I call them Useless *******: because of their horrible tech support.

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On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:37:39 -0400, wrote:
The support on the printers is something approaching average
- certainly not exemplary, but at least reasonable The scanner
support was incompetent.

You're right about the scanner support in more ways than one. I had a
really decent HP scanner and it was working great. I upgraded to
Windows 7 and found that HP refused to put out a Win 7 driver for it.
No work around for it anywhere. Sold the scanner for $25 and bought
myself a good Canon scanner. I refuse to have anything more to do with
HP.

Like I said... there's a reason that "Hewlett Packard" sounds like "Useless *******".

On 4/29/2014 9:29 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
"Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote in news:535faf70$0
:


You guys got me scared. I need to buy a printer in the next week or two.
And I am having some problems trying to nail down a printer that reviews
well or is sturdy at all.

[...]

I've had two Brother printers, ne in my office, one at home, for some years now (one is 4+
years old, and the other must be nearly 10) -- and have had only one problem of any
significance, a software glitch that was fairly easily reset. Both are multi-function units (print,
scan, copy, fax).

Over the years, I've also had several Epson printers, retiring them only when they became
obsolete. When my son's Canon printer died two weeks after he went off to college (four
years ago), we bought him an Epson to replace it. Total problem count for all the Epsons
we've ever owned over all the years we've owned them: zero.

Obviously, I'd recommend either of those brands without hesitation.

The hardware from Useless ******* is well-made, but their software is s**t: install an HP
printer, and then spend the next hour UNinstalling all the useless crapware that comes
along with the printer driver. On top of that, their drivers are poorly written: it's not unusual to
see an HP printer driver using 50% of the CPU time when you're not even printing anything.
And the support is about the worst I've ever experienced: apathetic, incompetent, and rude.


I do recall the last HP all in one that I bought increased boot tome to
nearly 12 minutes, 6 years ago. That was up from about 4 minutes. HP
suggested uninstalling their software and using Windows vs. boxing the
unit back up and returning it to OfficeMax.

On 4/29/2014 9:55 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:

...snipped

If I had the room, I would keep my old, trusty laserjet. But I need to
move on and get something that will serve my needs now. And it seems
that most of the choices out there are a real crap shoot. I am figuring
about $150 to $200 range.

I will be happy to read any suggestions that you guys have. I need to
this soon. I am pretty sure that I want it to be networkable and
wireless. Reasonable print quality, etc. A color inkjet that will not
fall apart from occasional use. Maybe I should consult a psychic. :-(




We have a HP Officejet 5610 All-in-One that we have used hard for over 5
years with no problems. Started using it with Win XP now connected to
Win 8.1 still no problems.

We bought a Canon MX459 wireless printer. Less than year old now, it
works with my iPhone, and my wife's laptop, and tablet so far no
problems with the MX459.

On 4/28/2014 11:14 PM, wrote:

I bought my last HP product (printer) six years ago. It's a great
printer but the software is bloated crap. My next one is most likely
going to be a Brother.


Exactly. Our HP AIO is a decent piece of hardware. The software is
crap. The drivers seem to "disappear". Especially bad with a wireless
network connection. It's visible and accessible on the network - just
will not print or scan. A wired connection works somewhat better.
Sometimes works fine for a month. Sometimes requires re-installation for
every use. Sometimes scanning multiple pages is fine, other times the
scanner gets "busy" and we cannot recover without rebooting both PC and
printer. HP's support forum shows the same problems going back seven
years with no resolutions.

Canon's Pixma series is looking pretty good.

On 4/29/2014 10:09 AM, Neil Ward wrote:
Canon MX459 wireless printer

I'm also in the market for a new printer and was looking for that
supports Apple AirPrint. We use iPhones and iPads in the house, although
the computers are Windows machines (7 and 8.1)

Have had good luck with Canon's thus far, and you can't beat the price
of that one for an all-in-one. (detest FAX, but required for me as many
of my sub's are still in the stone age).

Thanks for the heads up ... that one is now on my short list.

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:33:26 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:

Like I said... there's a reason that "Hewlett Packard" sounds like
"Useless *******".

I had a problem with an HP monitor. Called tech support and got a guy
(in the US) with such a heavy Indian accent I only understood every tenth
word. I asked him, politely, if we could continue via email. He
essentially said I could shove it, and not very politely. So much for HP.

Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:33:26 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:

Like I said... there's a reason that "Hewlett Packard" sounds like
"Useless *******".

I had a problem with an HP monitor. Called tech support and got a guy
(in the US) with such a heavy Indian accent I only understood every
tenth word. I asked him, politely, if we could continue via email.
He essentially said I could shove it, and not very politely. So much
for HP.

Welcome to HP

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"Swingman" wrote in message
...
On 4/29/2014 10:09 AM, Neil Ward wrote:
Canon MX459 wireless printer

I'm also in the market for a new printer and was looking for that supports
Apple AirPrint. We use iPhones and iPads in the house, although the
computers are Windows machines (7 and 8.1)

Have had good luck with Canon's thus far, and you can't beat the price of
that one for an all-in-one. (detest FAX, but required for me as many of my
sub's are still in the stone age).

Thanks for the heads up ... that one is now on my short list.

I will take a look at this one too.

Thanks everybody for your input. I installed a HP printer for my wife and
had a lot of problems getting it up and going. I spent hours with an Indian
techie who had a heavy accent and kept reading the manual to me. I finally
figured out the problem myself. Support was useless. The printer has worked
just fine since then though. And she hardly uses it.

But I refuse to have anything to do with driver issues or bloatware. So, no
HP.

I have had good luck with both brother and canon before. I will look around
some more. Thanks again guys. Hearing some stories from others does add to
a little clarity to the issue.

On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:55:54 -0400, Lee Michaels wrote:

I have used the HP laserjets for many years and they have held up well
and were very economical. But now I need color. And the color laser
printers do not have the quality of the inkjets and are really expensive
to feed.

I have 2 Brother lasers, a B&W and a color, and I have nothing but good
things to say about them. They support Windows, Apple, and Linux. I've
printed 4500 pages on the B&W and I'm still using the toner that came
with it. I've printed about 400 pages on the color one and it says it
has 99% left of all the colors.

I know you're looking for a lower cost inkjet, but if you don't print on
a regular basis you'll wind up replacing a lot of clogged cartridges - I
know I did.

"Chuck" wrote:


I have an HP 3520. Have had it for over three years and have had no
problems. It will scan, copy and print. Does photos that look
professional. I couldn't be happier.
Also it is network and wireless though I haven't used it that way.
Got it at Office Depot.
-------------------------------------------------------
Have the same unit that I described in previous post.

Uncovered something useful when bringing unit on line.

HP provides software that resides in puter.

It also provides software that is resident to the printer.

After changing cartiridges, it is necessary to align and test print
to place in service.

If you use the puter resident software, you have a 50-50 chance
it will work.

If you use the printer resident software, works every time.

Found this out from an HP tech service supervisor who really
knew her stuff.

Yes, female.

BTW, this was a 32 bit puter running XP and the printer was
hard wired to the puter.

Lew

On 4/29/2014 10:21 AM, Leon wrote:
On 4/29/2014 9:13 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:30:43 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
Using Lexmark now and was happy until the last year or so. Print heads
dry out prematurely. Prints good otherwise. Looking to go laser
next time.

You might want to have a look at Xerox when you go laser. I've got an
old Xerox laser printer that uses solid ink instead of powdered toner.
I was very impressed when I bought it a number of years ago and I'm
still impressed with it.

Is Xerox still in business? ;~) I looked hard at a Xerox before
getting the Lexmark.





One thing really nice about solid ink is that you can add it as needed
to the printer even when it's running. Can't do that with toner
cartridges.

http://www.office.xerox.com/product-...0/DN/enus.html

There's cheaper laser printers, but none I've found that are as
convenient.


I am not so much into buying a cheap printer as being able to afford
refills. There is something wrong with the picture of ink refills being
80% of the price of simply buying another new printer. Laser might be
another matter.

I used to refill my cartridges back in the day.

Buying a quart made sense. But now there are so many different brands,
and getting accurate colors might be a little more difficult.

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Jeff