http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:42:31 -0500, Swingman wrote:

http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/

Wonder where his is going to sell that Unisaw?

Markem wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:42:31 -0500, Swingman wrote:

http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/
Wonder where his is going to sell that Unisaw?

It doesn't say that he is "a paid endorser", but I suspect it should.
Does anyone believe that he is not getting paid? I wouldn't be the
least bit surprised if he got a free saw (not that I begrudge him that).

Bill wrote:
Markem wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:42:31 -0500, Swingman wrote:

http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/
Wonder where his is going to sell that Unisaw?

It doesn't say that he is "a paid endorser", but I suspect it should.
Does anyone believe that he is not getting paid? I wouldn't be the least
bit surprised if he got a free saw (not that I begrudge him that).

Did you not read in the article where he stated clearly that he paid full
retail price and received nothing from Sawstop?

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Swingman wrote:
Bill wrote:
Markem wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:42:31 -0500, Swingman wrote:

http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/
Wonder where his is going to sell that Unisaw?
It doesn't say that he is "a paid endorser", but I suspect it should.
Does anyone believe that he is not getting paid? I wouldn't be the least
bit surprised if he got a free saw (not that I begrudge him that).
Did you not read in the article where he stated clearly that he paid full
retail price and received nothing from Sawstop?

I received an email message today from Highland Woodworking revealing
Schwartz' new saw. It even had his picture.
Surely they must push a few cut-offs his way?

Bill

Swingman wrote:
Bill wrote:
Markem wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:42:31 -0500, Swingman wrote:

http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/
Wonder where his is going to sell that Unisaw?
It doesn't say that he is "a paid endorser", but I suspect it should.
Does anyone believe that he is not getting paid? I wouldn't be the least
bit surprised if he got a free saw (not that I begrudge him that).
Did you not read in the article where he stated clearly that he paid full
retail price and received nothing from Sawstop?



At the end of his article he wrote,
P.S. I have disabled the comments on this post. I have no desire to hear
the same histrionics that pollute the message boards.

But he had a choice about whether to make an "announcement" at all.
Evidently he felt the need.

Actually, when one of the ww tool sellers took some interest in photos
of my "shop to be", I mentioned how nice the finished pictures
would look if it had some of their machinery in it...for a discounted
price. They didn't bite, but if my name was Schwarz they might have...
And Schwarz is more business savvy than me and has track a record which
proves it.

On 4/24/2014 12:53 AM, Bill wrote:

At the end of his article he wrote,
P.S. I have disabled the comments on this post. I have no desire to hear
the same histrionics that pollute the message boards.


Don't blame him a bit ... commentards abound who are convinced they know
best and can point out the error of your ways; and worse - that someone
will actually believe what they spew.

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On 4/23/2014 10:36 PM, Bill wrote:
Markem wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:42:31 -0500, Swingman wrote:

http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/

Wonder where his is going to sell that Unisaw?

It doesn't say that he is "a paid endorser", but I suspect it should.
Does anyone believe that he is not getting paid? I wouldn't be the
least bit surprised if he got a free saw (not that I begrudge him that).

He specifically says he is not.
So I believe that. Says he paid full, tax, and shipping.



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On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 22:36:03 -0400, Bill
wrote:

Markem wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:42:31 -0500, Swingman wrote:

http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/
Wonder where his is going to sell that Unisaw?

It doesn't say that he is "a paid endorser", but I suspect it should.
Does anyone believe that he is not getting paid? I wouldn't be the
least bit surprised if he got a free saw (not that I begrudge him that).

He paid full retail on the saw is what he wrote.

Bill wrote:
Markem wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:42:31 -0500, Swingman wrote:

http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/
Wonder where his is going to sell that Unisaw?

It doesn't say that he is "a paid endorser", but I suspect it should.
Does anyone believe that he is not getting paid? I wouldn't be the
least bit surprised if he got a free saw (not that I begrudge him
that).

Yeah - I believe he's doing this on his own, so there's at least one here
who believes he's not getting paid.

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On 4/23/2014 9:36 PM, Bill wrote:
Markem wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:42:31 -0500, Swingman wrote:

http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/

Wonder where his is going to sell that Unisaw?

It doesn't say that he is "a paid endorser", but I suspect it should.
Does anyone believe that he is not getting paid? I wouldn't be the
least bit surprised if he got a free saw (not that I begrudge him that).


Actually, Sawstop saws are all sold for the same price to everyone. No
one gets a better deal than some one else. SawStop is so well known,
even to those that only know about the hot dog cutting saw, that they do
not have to give any one any breaks. There are many many more
testimonies from more credible pro's, meaning they make their living
mostly from using the product rather than writing about the product.
His single endorsement is a only one of probably thousands.
And since he is better know for his paid articles than the volume of
work produced on the saw, his endorsement probably means less to people
that believe like you.


So no, I don't believe that he is being paid either, in this case.

On 4/23/2014 10:36 PM, Bill wrote:
Markem wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:42:31 -0500, Swingman wrote:

http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/

Wonder where his is going to sell that Unisaw?

It doesn't say that he is "a paid endorser", but I suspect it should.
Does anyone believe that he is not getting paid? I wouldn't be the
least bit surprised if he got a free saw (not that I begrudge him that).

I can believe it. My voice is on a radio commercial for a local
supermarket with my "endorsement" of why I shop there. My only
compensation was a thank you by the guy making the recording outside the
store.

My endorsement of "System 2000 oil fired boilers is on their website.
No compensation for that either. I'm just happy I'm saving 39% of my
heating cost. They did verify that too.

Over many years I've written letters that have been posted in a store
about a product I used and only once was I given a token gift by one
with a value of perhaps $5. I also will write when I am not satisfied
with a product and have usually been "made whole" if there was a loss on
myh part.

On 4/24/2014 12:09 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/23/2014 10:36 PM, Bill wrote:
Markem wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:42:31 -0500, Swingman wrote:

http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/


Wonder where his is going to sell that Unisaw?

It doesn't say that he is "a paid endorser", but I suspect it should.
Does anyone believe that he is not getting paid? I wouldn't be the
least bit surprised if he got a free saw (not that I begrudge him that).

I can believe it. My voice is on a radio commercial for a local
supermarket with my "endorsement" of why I shop there. My only
compensation was a thank you by the guy making the recording outside the
store.

Aw, come on now. You are now a local celebrity, that has to be worth
something in notoriety. LOL

FWIW these free endorsements of a product do help to keep the product
cost down and being non paid for they hold a bit more weight with me.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:11:48 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
Aw, come on now. You are now a local celebrity, that has to be worth
something in notoriety. LOL

Yeah, but he's already a local celebrity here. Why would he need to be
one anywhere else?

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 13:09:19 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
I also will write when I am not satisfied with a product and have
usually been "made whole" if there was a loss on my part.

That reminds me of a news blurb I saw recently. A women was going
around to a number of local restaurants and after eating a significant
portion of her meal, would complain about it. She would not be charged
for what she just ate and frequently would be given a voucher for a
free meal the next time she visited ~ All of this of course, was her
taking advantage of customer service.

It worked fine until the restaurants started talking to each other and
then her face was splashed all over the news.

Making a valid complaint is fine, the businesses appreciate that, but
complaints are frequently made with the purpose of profiting somehow.
I've been known to make a complaint or two, but I also make sure to
pay compliments too when I experience something that I appreciate.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/23/2014 10:36 PM, Bill wrote:
Markem wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:42:31 -0500, Swingman wrote:

http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/


Wonder where his is going to sell that Unisaw?

It doesn't say that he is "a paid endorser", but I suspect it should.
Does anyone believe that he is not getting paid? I wouldn't be the
least bit surprised if he got a free saw (not that I begrudge him that).

I can believe it. My voice is on a radio commercial for a local
supermarket with my "endorsement" of why I shop there. My only
compensation was a thank you by the guy making the recording outside
the store.

My endorsement of "System 2000 oil fired boilers is on their website.
No compensation for that either. I'm just happy I'm saving 39% of my
heating cost. They did verify that too.

Over many years I've written letters that have been posted in a store
about a product I used and only once was I given a token gift by one
with a value of perhaps $5. I also will write when I am not satisfied
with a product and have usually been "made whole" if there was a loss
on myh part.

I guess my "charity" of this sort (or lack thereof) shows up in the
reviews I write at Amazon.com.

On 4/23/2014 7:42 PM, Swingman wrote:
http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/


Chris said,

After all, the company has been working quite successfully to make its
technology de rigueur on all table saws via legal and political
channels. (And to be fair, many of the other machinery manufacturers
have been working just as hard on the other side of the issue in the
political and legislative world. There are no good guys or bad guys in
this debate.)


I often suspected that there was a flip side to the story. I hope that
he did indeed find that there was at least equal opposition being
provided by his competition.

I mentioned more than once in the past that while Gass, being in the
spot light, did not use the best of practices to bring his product to
market, he was doing nothing wrong. Many feel that his caring for our
safety was not so genuine as him wanting to make a fortune. On the flip
side his competition still wants to make a fortune too and have chosen
to not make their saws safer in this way.


Having said all of that, all new cars sold in the US in 2018 will all
have back up cameras. I wonder who is to be blamed for that?

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:27:25 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
Having said all of that, all new cars sold in the US in 2018 will all
have back up cameras. I wonder who is to be blamed for that?

I'm just wondering in what form the first lawsuit will be about the
use or operation of those cameras.

On 4/24/2014 8:31 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:27:25 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
Having said all of that, all new cars sold in the US in 2018 will all
have back up cameras. I wonder who is to be blamed for that?

I'm just wondering in what form the first lawsuit will be about the
use or operation of those cameras.



I immediately thought about that to. And in at least on the case of
many, if it is or has been raining the view is often totally distorted.

I think that back up camera and the sonar warning should be used
together to back each other up.

Leon wrote:


Having said all of that, all new cars sold in the US in 2018 will all
have back up cameras. I wonder who is to be blamed for that?

The same soccer-mom thinking idiots that brought us mandatory TPMS.

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-Mike-

On 4/24/2014 8:42 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Leon wrote:


Having said all of that, all new cars sold in the US in 2018 will all
have back up cameras. I wonder who is to be blamed for that?

The same soccer-mom thinking idiots that brought us mandatory TPMS.

TPMS?

On 4/24/2014 9:01 AM, Leon wrote:
On 4/24/2014 8:42 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Leon wrote:


Having said all of that, all new cars sold in the US in 2018 will all
have back up cameras. I wonder who is to be blamed for that?

The same soccer-mom thinking idiots that brought us mandatory TPMS.

TPMS?


OH yeah never mind. googled it.

Leon wrote:
On 4/24/2014 8:42 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Leon wrote:


Having said all of that, all new cars sold in the US in 2018 will
all have back up cameras. I wonder who is to be blamed for that?

The same soccer-mom thinking idiots that brought us mandatory TPMS.

TPMS?

Tire Pressure Monitoring System. That beauty adds $200 to the cost of new
tires since valves are typically replaced with tires, and TMPS valves
average around $50 each on the aftermarket. In some cases, significantly
more - and in some cases replacement valves have to be matched to the car's
computer by the dealer.

All of this so an idiot light can light up on your dash if your tire
pressure drops.

--

-Mike-

On 4/24/2014 9:15 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 4/24/2014 8:42 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Leon wrote:


Having said all of that, all new cars sold in the US in 2018 will
all have back up cameras. I wonder who is to be blamed for that?

The same soccer-mom thinking idiots that brought us mandatory TPMS.

TPMS?

Tire Pressure Monitoring System. That beauty adds $200 to the cost of new
tires since valves are typically replaced with tires, and TMPS valves
average around $50 each on the aftermarket. In some cases, significantly
more - and in some cases replacement valves have to be matched to the car's
computer by the dealer.

All of this so an idiot light can light up on your dash if your tire
pressure drops.



Since the first vehicle for me that had this was my Tundra, I
immediately wondered about the replacement of valve stems, having been
in the tire business, managed my own store at 21.
I'm not sure about all but the stems on both of our vehicles are all
metal on the outside. Typically a stem is replaced when it is all
rubber on the outside because of deterioration of the rubber. It is a
good chance it could break off before the second set of tires has been
worn out. Steel stems OTOH don't break off. They can leak but the real
danger is with the rubber stems.

Anyway none of the stems on my Tundra were replaced when I put new tires on.

My concern however is how long that battery is going to last. I can
easily see a $30+ bill to have one replaced.

The idiot light is a PIA, the one on our Camry not so much as it does
give pressure readings on each tire so you at least know if the tire is
dangerously low or not. Now if only it could tell you which tire was 5
lbs low. ;~)

On 4/24/2014 9:27 AM, Leon wrote:


Having said all of that, all new cars sold in the US in 2018 will all
have back up cameras. I wonder who is to be blamed for that?

I'll take a portion of the blame. In a few forums, I've stated I will
not buy a new car unless it has a camera. I've had one for about 18
months and I'd give up seatbelts or airbags before I'd give up the
camera. IMO, it is one of the best safety devices ever in automobiles.

Perhaps my voice has been heard and it pushed along some congress
critter to pass a law for them.

On 4/24/2014 12:19 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/24/2014 9:27 AM, Leon wrote:


Having said all of that, all new cars sold in the US in 2018 will all
have back up cameras. I wonder who is to be blamed for that?

I'll take a portion of the blame. In a few forums, I've stated I will
not buy a new car unless it has a camera. I've had one for about 18
months and I'd give up seatbelts or airbags before I'd give up the
camera. IMO, it is one of the best safety devices ever in automobiles.

Perhaps my voice has been heard and it pushed along some congress
critter to pass a law for them.


I agree, more so from the convenience aspect. And as I previously
mentioned, keyless ignition and entry. You really don't realize how
nice that is until you walk up to your other vehicle to unlock the doors
or trunk with out keyless and dig around in your pocket for the keys in
the rain.

On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:33:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
I agree, more so from the convenience aspect. And as I previously
mentioned, keyless ignition and entry. You really don't realize how
nice that is until you walk up to your other vehicle to unlock the doors
or trunk with out keyless and dig around in your pocket for the keys in
the rain.

Since it's been awhile since I owned a car, I have to ask. What's the
safety method to keep those keyless cars from being stolen?

On 4/24/2014 1:37 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:33:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
I agree, more so from the convenience aspect. And as I previously
mentioned, keyless ignition and entry. You really don't realize how
nice that is until you walk up to your other vehicle to unlock the doors
or trunk with out keyless and dig around in your pocket for the keys in
the rain.

Since it's been awhile since I owned a car, I have to ask. What's the
safety method to keep those keyless cars from being stolen?

There is a fob, it must be within a certain distance of the car or it
will not start.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On 4/24/2014 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:33:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
I agree, more so from the convenience aspect. And as I previously
mentioned, keyless ignition and entry. You really don't realize how
nice that is until you walk up to your other vehicle to unlock the doors
or trunk with out keyless and dig around in your pocket for the keys in
the rain.

Since it's been awhile since I owned a car, I have to ask. What's the
safety method to keep those keyless cars from being stolen?



A key fob that only has to be in your pocket or purse. Typically they
work just like keyless entry, the interior lights up when you get near
the vehicle and the door unlocks when you touch the door handle, you
relock by touching another unique spot on the handle, get in and push a
button to start the engine. None of this works with out the key fob
being very close by. Additionally if you leave the key fob in the
vehicle you cannot lock the doors from out side the vehicle. Drop the
key fob inside the trunk and you can't close the deck lid.

Additionally the key fob has the usual buttons to use if you choose to
do all of this manually or want to double check that you locked the
vehicle with out walking all the way back to the parking spot. AND the
key fob has an internal emergency key that will pull out and unlock the
drivers door.

The biggest learning curve to this keyless ignition and unlock option is
to remember to not pull your keys out.

Leon wrote:

I agree, more so from the convenience aspect. And as I previously
mentioned, keyless ignition and entry. You really don't realize how
nice that is until you walk up to your other vehicle to unlock the
doors or trunk with out keyless and dig around in your pocket for
the keys in the rain.
-----------------------------------------------
Rain?

You drive in the rain?

Lew

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/24/2014 9:27 AM, Leon wrote:


Having said all of that, all new cars sold in the US in 2018 will all
have back up cameras. I wonder who is to be blamed for that?

I'll take a portion of the blame. In a few forums, I've stated I will
not buy a new car unless it has a camera. I've had one for about 18
months and I'd give up seatbelts or airbags before I'd give up the
camera. IMO, it is one of the best safety devices ever in
automobiles.
Perhaps my voice has been heard and it pushed along some congress
critter to pass a law for them.

Well - we are all entitled to our own opinions, but I don't feel that your
inability to look and to back out of a parking space, or to back into a
parking space should dictate what everyone else should pay for. Learn to
drive and you won't have to feel so compelled to dictate the actions of
others.

--

-Mike-

On 4/24/2014 1:09 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/24/2014 9:27 AM, Leon wrote:


Having said all of that, all new cars sold in the US in 2018 will all
have back up cameras. I wonder who is to be blamed for that?

I'll take a portion of the blame. In a few forums, I've stated I will
not buy a new car unless it has a camera. I've had one for about 18
months and I'd give up seatbelts or airbags before I'd give up the
camera. IMO, it is one of the best safety devices ever in
automobiles.
Perhaps my voice has been heard and it pushed along some congress
critter to pass a law for them.

Well - we are all entitled to our own opinions, but I don't feel that your
inability to look and to back out of a parking space, or to back into a
parking space should dictate what everyone else should pay for. Learn to
drive and you won't have to feel so compelled to dictate the actions of
others.


Don'cha wish new cars came with out paint too? ;~)

Leon wrote:
On 4/24/2014 1:09 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/24/2014 9:27 AM, Leon wrote:


Having said all of that, all new cars sold in the US in 2018 will
all have back up cameras. I wonder who is to be blamed for that?

I'll take a portion of the blame. In a few forums, I've stated I
will not buy a new car unless it has a camera. I've had one for
about 18 months and I'd give up seatbelts or airbags before I'd
give up the camera. IMO, it is one of the best safety devices ever
in automobiles.
Perhaps my voice has been heard and it pushed along some congress
critter to pass a law for them.

Well - we are all entitled to our own opinions, but I don't feel
that your inability to look and to back out of a parking space, or
to back into a parking space should dictate what everyone else
should pay for. Learn to drive and you won't have to feel so
compelled to dictate the actions of others.


Don'cha wish new cars came with out paint too? ;~)

Well hell yeah! Think of the money I could make satisfying people's
desires!

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:42:31 -0500, Swingman wrote:

http://blog.lostartpress.com/2013/08...top-table-saw/

I really appreciate this.

It is going to be worth a lot when the wife says, "You want to spend
how much for that saw?"

Now all I need is something similar so she will encourage me to
purchase an American Beauty lathe.

Jim