.... and this purely hypothetical idiot asks you for advice with the
following problem:

He (hypothetically, of course) puts some pencil marks on the wrong
edge of a face frame, the outside edge. He realizes his mistake and
redoes the marks in the proper place, intending to sand off the ones
he made in error. For the sake of argument, let's suppose he forgets
to do so, partly because he thought that edge would butt up against
another unit and partly due to general absent-mindedness.

Our fictional novice woodworker then proceeds to finish over the
marks, only discovering that they will indeed be on an exposed side as
he applying the tenth clamp to glue the face frame to the box. He does
not take the whole works apart at this point.

So, were such an improbably boneheaded error to actually happen, how
would you advise him to fix it? I imagine he would first think to sand
it with some pretty coarse sandpaper to get through the poly and
pencil, then smooth and refinish. But that sounds pretty laborious. I
wonder if he could shave off the tiniest amount with a router (our
hypothetical face frame is maybe 3/32" proud of the cabinet edge) and
straight-edge.

"Greg Guarino" wrote in message
...

... and this purely hypothetical idiot asks you for advice with the
following problem:

I'd use a card scraper if I ever made a mistake like that... The poly and
pencil marks would come off quickly without altering the dimensions...

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:26:13 PM UTC-5, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Greg Guarino" wrote ... and this purely hypothetical idiot asks you for advice with the following problem: I'd use a card scraper if I ever made a mistake like that...

I've made that mistake, before, in a tight spot, hard to conveniently get to. Rather than a card/cabinet scraper, I used the sharp slightly curved edge of my Buckknife, but any sharp slightly curved stout bladed knife will do. I've done somewhat delicate paint scrapings with this technique and have scraped sprayed lacquer runs/bad drips in tight/small places, also. It's a modified card/cabinet scraping technique.... modified for small, tight places.

The curved edge allows for site/spot specific scraping.

Sonny

"John Grossbohlin" wrote in news:
:

"Greg Guarino" wrote in message
...

... and this purely hypothetical idiot asks you for advice with the
following problem:

I'd use a card scraper if I ever made a mistake like that... The poly and
pencil marks would come off quickly without altering the dimensions...

Concur. That would be my first choice as well.

AW come on Greg. I know you would never do that. WW

"Greg Guarino" wrote in message
...

.... and this purely hypothetical idiot asks you for advice with the
following problem:

He (hypothetically, of course) puts some pencil marks on the wrong
edge of a face frame, the outside edge. He realizes his mistake and
redoes the marks in the proper place, intending to sand off the ones
he made in error. For the sake of argument, let's suppose he forgets
to do so, partly because he thought that edge would butt up against
another unit and partly due to general absent-mindedness.

Our fictional novice woodworker then proceeds to finish over the
marks, only discovering that they will indeed be on an exposed side as
he applying the tenth clamp to glue the face frame to the box. He does
not take the whole works apart at this point.

So, were such an improbably boneheaded error to actually happen, how
would you advise him to fix it? I imagine he would first think to sand
it with some pretty coarse sandpaper to get through the poly and
pencil, then smooth and refinish. But that sounds pretty laborious. I
wonder if he could shave off the tiniest amount with a router (our
hypothetical face frame is maybe 3/32" proud of the cabinet edge) and
straight-edge.

"Greg Guarino" wrote in message
...
... and this purely hypothetical idiot asks you for advice with the
following problem:

He (hypothetically, of course) puts some pencil marks on the wrong
edge of a face frame, the outside edge. He realizes his mistake and
redoes the marks in the proper place, intending to sand off the ones
he made in error. For the sake of argument, let's suppose he forgets
to do so, partly because he thought that edge would butt up against
another unit and partly due to general absent-mindedness.

Our fictional novice woodworker then proceeds to finish over the
marks, only discovering that they will indeed be on an exposed side as
he applying the tenth clamp to glue the face frame to the box. He does
not take the whole works apart at this point.

So, were such an improbably boneheaded error to actually happen, how
would you advise him to fix it? I imagine he would first think to sand
it with some pretty coarse sandpaper to get through the poly and
pencil, then smooth and refinish. But that sounds pretty laborious. I
wonder if he could shave off the tiniest amount with a router (our
hypothetical face frame is maybe 3/32" proud of the cabinet edge) and
straight-edge.

This is entirely right pondian thinking.
A well-fettled smoothing plane would do the job in seconds, if you can get
one in there.
JG refers to a card scraper. I imagine this is what I would call a cabinet
scraper. Bit of hardened steel with a burr formed along the edge(s). Great
tools but (1) never to be used on softwood and (2) pita to reshape the burr
unless you use them frequently.
I think the use of a router would be overkill.
That makes me wonder about something, but I'll put my wanderings in another
post.
Good luck,
Nick.

"Nick" wrote in message ...


"Greg Guarino" wrote in message
...
... and this purely hypothetical idiot asks you for advice with the
following problem:

He (hypothetically, of course) puts some pencil marks on the wrong
edge of a face frame, the outside edge. He realizes his mistake and
redoes the marks in the proper place, intending to sand off the ones
he made in error. For the sake of argument, let's suppose he forgets
to do so, partly because he thought that edge would butt up against
another unit and partly due to general absent-mindedness.

Our fictional novice woodworker then proceeds to finish over the
marks, only discovering that they will indeed be on an exposed side as
he applying the tenth clamp to glue the face frame to the box. He does
not take the whole works apart at this point.

So, were such an improbably boneheaded error to actually happen, how
would you advise him to fix it? I imagine he would first think to sand
it with some pretty coarse sandpaper to get through the poly and
pencil, then smooth and refinish. But that sounds pretty laborious. I
wonder if he could shave off the tiniest amount with a router (our
hypothetical face frame is maybe 3/32" proud of the cabinet edge) and
straight-edge.

This is entirely right pondian thinking.
A well-fettled smoothing plane would do the job in seconds, if you can get
one in there.
JG refers to a card scraper. I imagine this is what I would call a cabinet
scraper. Bit of hardened steel with a burr formed along the edge(s). Great
tools but (1) never to be used on softwood and (2) pita to reshape the burr
unless you use them frequently.

Yup... aka cabinet scraper. RE softwoods, I use them on woods like pine all
the time. If well prepared they do a wonderful job on pine and fir. I often
use one as an eraser as I do layouts and such as they work far better than a
real eraser. I think the "conventional" wisdom is due to dull scrapers not
working...

John

On Apr 28, 6:49*pm, "Nick" wrote:
"Greg Guarino" wrote in message

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... and this purely hypothetical idiot asks you for advice with the
following problem:

He (hypothetically, of course) puts some pencil marks on the wrong
edge of a face frame, the outside edge. He realizes his mistake and
redoes the marks in the proper place, intending to sand off the ones
he made in error. For the sake of argument, let's suppose he forgets
to do so, partly because he thought that edge would butt up against
another unit and partly due to general absent-mindedness.

Our fictional novice woodworker then proceeds to finish over the
marks, only discovering that they will indeed be on an exposed side as
he applying the tenth clamp to glue the face frame to the box. He does
not take the whole works apart at this point.

So, were such an improbably boneheaded error to actually happen, how
would you advise him to fix it? I imagine he would first think to sand
it with some pretty coarse sandpaper to get through the poly and
pencil, then smooth and refinish. But that sounds pretty laborious. I
wonder if he could shave off the tiniest amount with a router (our
hypothetical face frame is maybe 3/32" proud of the cabinet edge) and
straight-edge.

This is entirely right pondian thinking.
A well-fettled smoothing plane would do the job in seconds, if you can get
one in there.
JG refers to a card scraper. I imagine this is what I would call a cabinet
scraper. Bit of hardened steel with a burr formed along the edge(s). Great
tools but (1) never to be used on softwood and (2) pita to reshape the burr
unless you use them frequently.
I think the use of a router would be overkill.
That makes me wonder about something, but I'll put my wanderings in another
post.
Good luck,
Nick.

I (uh, he) considered this idea but worries that his skills with a
plane are still in their infancy. The edge in question is almost five
feet long. I assume he would need to take down the whole length the
same amount even though the pencil marks are confined to three small
areas, correct?

Greg Guarino wrote:

I (uh, he) considered this idea but worries that his skills with a
plane are still in their infancy. The edge in question is almost five
feet long. I assume he would need to take down the whole length the
same amount even though the pencil marks are confined to three small
areas, correct?

Incorrect. Use a scraper.

Once through the varnish, alcohol should remove the pencir; or an eraser; or
sandpaper; or even the scraper.

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On 4/28/2013 3:21 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
... and this purely hypothetical idiot asks you for advice with the
following problem:

He (hypothetically, of course) puts some pencil marks on the wrong
edge of a face frame, the outside edge. He realizes his mistake and
redoes the marks in the proper place, intending to sand off the ones
he made in error. For the sake of argument, let's suppose he forgets
to do so, partly because he thought that edge would butt up against
another unit and partly due to general absent-mindedness.

Our fictional novice woodworker then proceeds to finish over the
marks, only discovering that they will indeed be on an exposed side as
he applying the tenth clamp to glue the face frame to the box. He does
not take the whole works apart at this point.

So, were such an improbably boneheaded error to actually happen, how
would you advise him to fix it? I imagine he would first think to sand
it with some pretty coarse sandpaper to get through the poly and
pencil, then smooth and refinish. But that sounds pretty laborious. I
wonder if he could shave off the tiniest amount with a router (our
hypothetical face frame is maybe 3/32" proud of the cabinet edge) and
straight-edge.

Pretend that the marks are an avant garde design feature.
:-)