Anyone else notice that the price of MDF trim is now higher than pine.
Heck, here in Nashville, it's higher than oak.
I guess termites are on strike or the EPA has priced it out of contention.


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On 2/10/2013 5:41 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
Anyone else notice that the price of MDF trim is now higher than pine.
Heck, here in Nashville, it's higher than oak.
I guess termites are on strike or the EPA has priced it out of contention.


Doesn't make sense does it.


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Jeff

On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:41:04 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote:

Anyone else notice that the price of MDF trim is now higher than pine.
Heck, here in Nashville, it's higher than oak.
I guess termites are on strike or the EPA has priced it out of contention.

Well, if either of your assumptions are correct you can thank our
idiot in chief for that.

I just paid $4 a gallon for premium today. It's amazing how quickly
the price of gas is rising after the election.

On 2/10/2013 4:41 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
Anyone else notice that the price of MDF trim is now higher than pine.
Heck, here in Nashville, it's higher than oak.
I guess termites are on strike or the EPA has priced it out of contention.



Yeah,

It's also higher quality material than the pine...

On 2/10/13 6:29 PM, Richard wrote:
On 2/10/2013 4:41 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
Anyone else notice that the price of MDF trim is now higher than pine.
Heck, here in Nashville, it's higher than oak.
I guess termites are on strike or the EPA has priced it out of
contention.



Yeah,

It's also higher quality material than the pine...


In most cases, you are correct. Easier to work with and much more stable.
It's hard to find a 10' piece of pine trim that hasn't taken more turns
than a UPS truck.


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On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:41:04 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote:

Anyone else notice that the price of MDF trim is now higher than pine.
Heck, here in Nashville, it's higher than oak.
I guess termites are on strike or the EPA has priced it out of contention.

Well, if either of your assumptions are correct you can thank our
idiot in chief for that.

I just paid $4 a gallon for premium today. It's amazing how quickly
the price of gas is rising after the election.


Don't buy premium.

Dave in Texas

"Dave In Texas" wrote:
"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message ...

On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:41:04 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote:

Anyone else notice that the price of MDF trim is now higher than pine.
Heck, here in Nashville, it's higher than oak.
I guess termites are on strike or the EPA has priced it out of contention.

Well, if either of your assumptions are correct you can thank our
idiot in chief for that.

I just paid $4 a gallon for premium today. It's amazing how quickly
the price of gas is rising after the election.


Don't buy premium.

Dave in Texas

In Houston gasoline is still lower than it was before the election.
Locations intone Rockies are well under $3.00.

"Leon" wrote in message
...
"Dave In Texas" wrote:
"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:41:04 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote:

Anyone else notice that the price of MDF trim is now higher than pine.
Heck, here in Nashville, it's higher than oak.
I guess termites are on strike or the EPA has priced it out of
contention.

Well, if either of your assumptions are correct you can thank our
idiot in chief for that.

I just paid $4 a gallon for premium today. It's amazing how quickly
the price of gas is rising after the election.


Don't buy premium.

Dave in Texas

In Houston gasoline is still lower than it was before the election.
Locations intone Rockies are well under $3.00.

Don't gripe about prices of gas, here in Canada where we have so much oil we
export most of it to the US, in the Toronto area of Ontario, it is costing
us $1.37 per litre, there are 3.95 litres per US gallon, so that results in
$5.41 per gallon for regular.

Don't you feel better now?

On 2/11/2013 11:51 AM, EXT wrote:

"Leon" wrote in message
...
"Dave In Texas" wrote:
"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:41:04 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote:

Anyone else notice that the price of MDF trim is now higher than pine.
Heck, here in Nashville, it's higher than oak.
I guess termites are on strike or the EPA has priced it out of
contention.

Well, if either of your assumptions are correct you can thank our
idiot in chief for that.

I just paid $4 a gallon for premium today. It's amazing how quickly
the price of gas is rising after the election.


Don't buy premium.

Dave in Texas

In Houston gasoline is still lower than it was before the election.
Locations intone Rockies are well under $3.00.

Don't gripe about prices of gas, here in Canada where we have so much
oil we export most of it to the US, in the Toronto area of Ontario, it
is costing us $1.37 per litre, there are 3.95 litres per US gallon, so
that results in $5.41 per gallon for regular.

Don't you feel better now?

I am in Toronto too, I assume that is premium gas at that price, I am
seeing $1.20/litre for regular, also note it is 3.78 litres/US gallon,
but yeah seeing people in the US complain.....

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

On Feb 10, 7:04*pm, -MIKE- wrote:

It's also higher quality material than the pine...

In most cases, you are correct. *Easier to work with and much more stable.
It's hard to find a 10' piece of pine trim that hasn't taken more turns
than a UPS truck.

If it doesn't have to be stain grade pine, we can get all that hard,
white primed, finger jointed wood stuff they sell at HD easily and
pretty cheap. It is from Chile and is a conglomeration of pieces of
wood from different species of trees. That is currently much more
popular around here than the MDF products.

Personally, for paint grade I like the MDF stuff. I remember putting
it up in a house about 15 - 18 years ago and I complained like hell.
Then I used it, and then painted it out. Loved it. I put in 8" tall
base with a 2" strip of pine in front of it to serve as shoe mold.
First long pieces I put in I liked it a lot. Then seeing how it
responded to my nailers I liked it even more. Somewhere along the
line they solved most of the MDF nail head pucker that I would
normally have to sand out. Works for me!

Robert

On 2/11/13 12:31 PM, wrote:
On Feb 10, 7:04 pm, -MIKE- wrote:

It's also higher quality material than the pine...

In most cases, you are correct. Easier to work with and much more stable.
It's hard to find a 10' piece of pine trim that hasn't taken more turns
than a UPS truck.

If it doesn't have to be stain grade pine, we can get all that hard,
white primed, finger jointed wood stuff they sell at HD easily and
pretty cheap. It is from Chile and is a conglomeration of pieces of
wood from different species of trees. That is currently much more
popular around here than the MDF products.

Personally, for paint grade I like the MDF stuff. I remember putting
it up in a house about 15 - 18 years ago and I complained like hell.
Then I used it, and then painted it out. Loved it. I put in 8" tall
base with a 2" strip of pine in front of it to serve as shoe mold.
First long pieces I put in I liked it a lot. Then seeing how it
responded to my nailers I liked it even more. Somewhere along the
line they solved most of the MDF nail head pucker that I would
normally have to sand out. Works for me!

Robert


I've always loved it, too. I just don't like how expensive it's getting.

That finger jointed stuff is supposed to be stable but it's not. I know
they are *supposed* to alternate grain when gluing up, but they
obviously don't. Either that or it really wet when they make it.
Whatever the reason, once that stuff is un-banded and sits in the bins
for a week, it twists up like hot-wheels track.


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On Feb 11, 12:37*pm, -MIKE- wrote:

I've always loved it, too. *I just don't like how expensive it's getting.

Yeah, me too. I can't wait until the powers that be decide the
economy has recovered and they can go on the rape and plunder spree
they have been holding back on for the last few years when pricing
their materials.

That finger jointed stuff is supposed to be stable but it's not. I know
they are *supposed* to alternate grain when gluing up, but they
obviously don't. Either that or it really wet when they make it.
Whatever the reason, once that stuff is un-banded and sits in the bins
for a week, it twists up like hot-wheels track.

Oddly, the finger jointed base of all sizes is pretty good, here. And
if I buy from HD, I over buy, then cut out what I want. As long as I
cut it into whole foot increments and put their SKU sticker on the
material they will take back the odd feet I don't use. That's better
than any lumber yard I have ever had access to.

My trouble is with the door trims. A "Hot Wheels Track" is a great
description. Most finger jointed they sell here is really twisty and
curved, the profiles don't match, and it is brittle so it will split
with something as small as a 16 ga nail in it. I use my 16 to shoot
at the hinges and at the strike, but use my 18 ga and a lot more brads
on the rest of the nailing near trim ends or on top pieces (little
structural value to the door) when attaching that stuff.

Robert

On 2/11/13 2:19 PM, wrote:
Oddly, the finger jointed base of all sizes is pretty good, here. And
if I buy from HD, I over buy, then cut out what I want. As long as I
cut it into whole foot increments and put their SKU sticker on the
material they will take back the odd feet I don't use. That's better
than any lumber yard I have ever had access to.


Interesting. I haven't tried that. I did return cut trim, once, but that
was without the SKU. Next time, I'll save the sticker and save them the
trouble of looking it up. Maybe I'll get into the habit of over-buying.
I like to pre-paint trim, though. :-)


Most finger jointed they sell here is really twisty and
curved, the profiles don't match,

That drives me nuts. I spent probably 4hrs driving to different stores
just to find a profile match for the crown I have to match going around
the top of these bookcases.


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"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
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On 2/11/2013 10:51 AM, EXT wrote:

"Leon" wrote in message
...
"Dave In Texas" wrote:
"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:41:04 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote:

Anyone else notice that the price of MDF trim is now higher than pine.
Heck, here in Nashville, it's higher than oak.
I guess termites are on strike or the EPA has priced it out of
contention.

Well, if either of your assumptions are correct you can thank our
idiot in chief for that.

I just paid $4 a gallon for premium today. It's amazing how quickly
the price of gas is rising after the election.


Don't buy premium.

Dave in Texas

In Houston gasoline is still lower than it was before the election.
Locations intone Rockies are well under $3.00.

Don't gripe about prices of gas, here in Canada where we have so much
oil we export most of it to the US, in the Toronto area of Ontario, it
is costing us $1.37 per litre, there are 3.95 litres per US gallon, so
that results in $5.41 per gallon for regular.

Don't you feel better now?


No, I am not the one complaining.

On 2/11/2013 11:10 AM, FrozenNorth wrote:
On 2/11/2013 11:51 AM, EXT wrote:

"Leon" wrote in message
...
"Dave In Texas" wrote:
"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:41:04 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote:

Anyone else notice that the price of MDF trim is now higher than pine.
Heck, here in Nashville, it's higher than oak.
I guess termites are on strike or the EPA has priced it out of
contention.

Well, if either of your assumptions are correct you can thank our
idiot in chief for that.

I just paid $4 a gallon for premium today. It's amazing how quickly
the price of gas is rising after the election.


Don't buy premium.

Dave in Texas

In Houston gasoline is still lower than it was before the election.
Locations intone Rockies are well under $3.00.

Don't gripe about prices of gas, here in Canada where we have so much
oil we export most of it to the US, in the Toronto area of Ontario, it
is costing us $1.37 per litre, there are 3.95 litres per US gallon, so
that results in $5.41 per gallon for regular.

Don't you feel better now?

I am in Toronto too, I assume that is premium gas at that price, I am
seeing $1.20/litre for regular, also note it is 3.78 litres/US gallon,
but yeah seeing people in the US complain.....


I but you guys would get it much cheaper if you bought it by the gallon
vs by the litre. ;~) Buy 2 quarts of anything and it is usually about
the same as a gallon. LOL

BTY if you don't complain they will assume you are happy with the
pricing. Squeaky wheel!

in 1548454 20130211 171041 FrozenNorth wrote:
On 2/11/2013 11:51 AM, EXT wrote:

"Leon" wrote in message
...
"Dave In Texas" wrote:
"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 16:41:04 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote:

Anyone else notice that the price of MDF trim is now higher than pine.
Heck, here in Nashville, it's higher than oak.
I guess termites are on strike or the EPA has priced it out of
contention.

Well, if either of your assumptions are correct you can thank our
idiot in chief for that.

I just paid $4 a gallon for premium today. It's amazing how quickly
the price of gas is rising after the election.


Don't buy premium.

Dave in Texas

In Houston gasoline is still lower than it was before the election.
Locations intone Rockies are well under $3.00.

Don't gripe about prices of gas, here in Canada where we have so much
oil we export most of it to the US, in the Toronto area of Ontario, it
is costing us $1.37 per litre, there are 3.95 litres per US gallon, so
that results in $5.41 per gallon for regular.

Don't you feel better now?

I am in Toronto too, I assume that is premium gas at that price, I am
seeing $1.20/litre for regular, also note it is 3.78 litres/US gallon,
but yeah seeing people in the US complain.....

£1.39 / litre in UK - that's $8.30 per US gallon.

On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:28:23 -0700, MIKE- wrote
(in article ):

On 2/11/13 2:19 PM, wrote:
Oddly, the finger jointed base of all sizes is pretty good, here. And
if I buy from HD, I over buy, then cut out what I want. As long as I
cut it into whole foot increments and put their SKU sticker on the
material they will take back the odd feet I don't use. That's better
than any lumber yard I have ever had access to.


Interesting. I haven't tried that. I did return cut trim, once, but that
was without the SKU. Next time, I'll save the sticker and save them the
trouble of looking it up. Maybe I'll get into the habit of over-buying.
I like to pre-paint trim, though. :-)


Most finger jointed they sell here is really twisty and
curved, the profiles don't match,

That drives me nuts. I spent probably 4hrs driving to different stores
just to find a profile match for the crown I have to match going around
the top of these bookcases.




You want something to complain about, how about the cost of 7/16"
OSB..(grrrrr)

-Bruce

On 2/16/13 9:24 AM, Bruce wrote:

You want something to complain about, how about the cost of 7/16"
OSB..(grrrrr)

-Bruce


Has it gone up?
Last time I got some it was pretty cheap, but that was a couple years ago.


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On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:42:51 -0700, MIKE- wrote
(in article ):

On 2/16/13 9:24 AM, Bruce wrote:

You want something to complain about, how about the cost of 7/16"
OSB..(grrrrr)

-Bruce


Has it gone up?
Last time I got some it was pretty cheap, but that was a couple years ago.




When I started the wife's studio two years ago, the first load ran about
$6/sheet. Towards the end of the project (last fall), it was up to
$10/sheet. i just saw it now at $16.

I was warned by my local lumberyard guy that the prices would be going up,
similar story to why gas prices go up except instead of refineries shutting
down for retooling, it is the mills.

-Bruce

On 2/17/13 8:37 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:42:51 -0700, MIKE- wrote
(in article ):

On 2/16/13 9:24 AM, Bruce wrote:

You want something to complain about, how about the cost of 7/16"
OSB..(grrrrr)

-Bruce


Has it gone up?
Last time I got some it was pretty cheap, but that was a couple years ago.




When I started the wife's studio two years ago, the first load ran about
$6/sheet. Towards the end of the project (last fall), it was up to
$10/sheet. i just saw it now at $16.

I was warned by my local lumberyard guy that the prices would be going up,
similar story to why gas prices go up except instead of refineries shutting
down for retooling, it is the mills.

-Bruce


Wow. Yeah, IIRC... I paid around 7 bucks. 16? Starting to price
themselves out.
Of course, simply raising the price of everything else will cure that.


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"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
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http://mikedrums.com

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On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 11:15:15 -0700, MIKE- wrote
(in article ):

On 2/17/13 8:37 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 10:42:51 -0700, MIKE- wrote
(in article ):

On 2/16/13 9:24 AM, Bruce wrote:

You want something to complain about, how about the cost of 7/16"
OSB..(grrrrr)

-Bruce


Has it gone up?
Last time I got some it was pretty cheap, but that was a couple years ago.




When I started the wife's studio two years ago, the first load ran about
$6/sheet. Towards the end of the project (last fall), it was up to
$10/sheet. i just saw it now at $16.

I was warned by my local lumberyard guy that the prices would be going up,
similar story to why gas prices go up except instead of refineries shutting
down for retooling, it is the mills.

-Bruce


Wow. Yeah, IIRC... I paid around 7 bucks. 16? Starting to price
themselves out.
Of course, simply raising the price of everything else will cure that.





Just looked at Lowes.com, $16.55. Way to much even with the standard 10%
discount.
For a small window of time, 1/2" CDX plywood was nearly the same price, 'cept
it all had a large radius curve preset into its shape.
-Bruce