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As I have been tending to details in finishing the drywall I installed in my shop, I feel as though I've been tip-toeing around an "Elephant in the room". It is the board which looks likes it's part of the door molding, but perhaps also supports the threshold (between the house and the shop). It is so ugly, I took 3 pics of it (shop side view): http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ To be generous, it is obviously an OEM part. : ) Almost anything else would be an improvement. Somehow after learning how to shim my other door, I'm less tolerant of this "problem"--even though I don't know precisely how to best fix it yet. If I couldn't ask anyone, I might take a 2by4 and work it down to size, 1" wide, and maybe put a bevel on the outside edge of bottom and the ends for the sake of its protection and style, and screw it in place. I'm not sure whether I'd want to hide the screw heads under joint compound or not. Then I'd prime and paint. I don't know whether the sides you don't see are supposed to be finished or not (to prevent warping?) Okay, now what's the right way to do it? : ) Thank you! Bill |
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Bill wrote:
As I have been tending to details in finishing the drywall I installed in my shop, I feel as though I've been tip-toeing around an "Elephant in the room". It is the board which looks likes it's part of the door molding, but perhaps also supports the threshold (between the house and the shop). It is so ugly, I took 3 pics of it (shop side view): http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ To be generous, it is obviously an OEM part. : ) Almost anything else would be an improvement. Somehow after learning how to shim my other door, I'm less tolerant of this "problem"--even though I don't know precisely how to best fix it yet. If I couldn't ask anyone, I might take a 2by4 and work it down to size, 1" wide, and maybe put a bevel on the outside edge of bottom and the ends for the sake of its protection and style, and screw it in place. I'm not sure whether I'd want to hide the screw heads under joint compound or not. Then I'd prime and paint. I don't know whether the sides you don't see are supposed to be finished or not (to prevent warping?) Okay, now what's the right way to do it? : ) Thank you! Well - the first thing you should do is yank that skanky thing off. I agree - the original builder should be shot for that. Consdier - or at least, take a look at a simply piece of 1x4 or 1x6 - cut to the right doggoned length, as an alternative. Cut one up and put it up there to take a look. Maybe something else, but you won't know until you put a piece up there to see. -- -Mike- |
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Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote: As I have been tending to details in finishing the drywall I installed in my shop, I feel as though I've been tip-toeing around an "Elephant in the room". It is the board which looks likes it's part of the door molding, but perhaps also supports the threshold (between the house and the shop). It is so ugly, I took 3 pics of it (shop side view): http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ To be generous, it is obviously an OEM part. : ) Almost anything else would be an improvement. Somehow after learning how to shim my other door, I'm less tolerant of this "problem"--even though I don't know precisely how to best fix it yet. If I couldn't ask anyone, I might take a 2by4 and work it down to size, 1" wide, and maybe put a bevel on the outside edge of bottom and the ends for the sake of its protection and style, and screw it in place. I'm not sure whether I'd want to hide the screw heads under joint compound or not. Then I'd prime and paint. I don't know whether the sides you don't see are supposed to be finished or not (to prevent warping?) Okay, now what's the right way to do it? : ) Thank you! Well - the first thing you should do is yank that skanky thing off. I agree - the original builder should be shot for that. Consdier - or at least, take a look at a simply piece of 1x4 or 1x6 - cut to the right doggoned length, as an alternative. It seems like I need a 4/4 x 4 or 4/4 x3, a board which is actually 1" thick. I will see if I can find one without troubling a lumberyard for one piece. Cut one up and put it up there to take a look. Maybe something else, but you won't know until you put a piece up there to see. |
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Once you take that trim off, look under the threshold to see if there
is proper support, under the inner body of threshold, itself, and sufficiently all along its length. If need be, shim the threshold, snuggly. You don't want to rely on the new trim for the threshold's support, though it will be on that front edge. Sonny |
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Sonny wrote:
Once you take that trim off, look under the threshold to see if there is proper support, under the inner body of threshold, itself, and sufficiently all along its length. If need be, shim the threshold, snuggly. You don't want to rely on the new trim for the threshold's support, though it will be on that front edge. Sonny Thank you for your post! I observed the "don't want" part, but didn't know what to do about it. Your post may help explain why it was replaced. Bill |
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Bill wrote:
As I have been tending to details in finishing the drywall I installed in my shop, I feel as though I've been tip-toeing around an "Elephant in the room". It is the board which looks likes it's part of the door molding, but perhaps also supports the threshold (between the house and the shop). It is so ugly, I took 3 pics of it (shop side view): http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ To be generous, it is obviously an OEM part. : ) Almost anything else would be an improvement. Somehow after learning how to shim my other door, I'm less tolerant of this "problem"--even though I don't know precisely how to best fix it yet. If I couldn't ask anyone, I might take a 2by4 and work it down to size, 1" wide, and maybe put a bevel on the outside edge of bottom and the ends for the sake of its protection and style, and screw it in place. I'm not sure whether I'd want to hide the screw heads under joint compound or not. Then I'd prime and paint. I don't know whether the sides you don't see are supposed to be finished or not (to prevent warping?) Okay, now what's the right way to do it? : ) Thank you! Bill While you're beautifying the door, a kick panel between the threshold and top step might be nice, finished with a hard finish. -- G.W. Ross A gentleman is a man who can play the accordian, but doesn't. |
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G. Ross wrote:
While you're beautifying the door, a kick panel between the threshold and top step might be nice, finished with a hard finish. Yes, thank you for mentioning it! There is no end, is there? : ) Bill |
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On 8/13/2012 10:39 PM, Bill wrote:
As I have been tending to details in finishing the drywall I installed in my shop, I feel as though I've been tip-toeing around an "Elephant in the room". It is the board which looks likes it's part of the door molding, but perhaps also supports the threshold (between the house and the shop). It is so ugly, I took 3 pics of it (shop side view): http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ To be generous, it is obviously an OEM part. : ) Almost anything else would be an improvement. Somehow after learning how to shim my other door, I'm less tolerant of this "problem"--even though I don't know precisely how to best fix it yet. If I couldn't ask anyone, I might take a 2by4 and work it down to size, 1" wide, and maybe put a bevel on the outside edge of bottom and the ends for the sake of its protection and style, and screw it in place. I'm not sure whether I'd want to hide the screw heads under joint compound or not. Then I'd prime and paint. I don't know whether the sides you don't see are supposed to be finished or not (to prevent warping?) Okay, now what's the right way to do it? : ) Thank you! Bill I would simply finish nail a 1x4 in its place and perhaps angle the ends so that the bottom edge is shorter than the top edge, but not much. Putty nail holes and paint. Treat it like regular trim. |
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Leon wrote:
I would simply finish nail a 1x4 in its place and perhaps angle the ends so that the bottom edge is shorter than the top edge, but not much. But that would leave the threshold plate extending 1/4" over the edge of the new trim (unless you mean a real 1" 1x4). Putty nail holes and paint. Treat it like regular trim. |
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Bill wrote:
Leon wrote: I would simply finish nail a 1x4 in its place and perhaps angle the ends so that the bottom edge is shorter than the top edge, but not much. But that would leave the threshold plate extending 1/4" over the edge of the new trim (unless you mean a real 1" 1x4). ....and, your concern is?... Actually, that would be a good thing. -- -Mike- |
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Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote: Leon wrote: I would simply finish nail a 1x4 in its place and perhaps angle the ends so that the bottom edge is shorter than the top edge, but not much. But that would leave the threshold plate extending 1/4" over the edge of the new trim (unless you mean a real 1" 1x4). ...and, your concern is?... Actually, that would be a good thing. I'll look around and observe whether I see any configured that way. A threshold plate (my word) sticking out just doen't seem right to me yet. |
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Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote: Bill wrote: Leon wrote: I would simply finish nail a 1x4 in its place and perhaps angle the ends so that the bottom edge is shorter than the top edge, but not much. But that would leave the threshold plate extending 1/4" over the edge of the new trim (unless you mean a real 1" 1x4). ...and, your concern is?... Actually, that would be a good thing. I'll look around and observe whether I see any configured that way. A threshold plate (my word) sticking out just doen't seem right to me yet. If it helps Bill, it is common to leave a little reveal on pieces like this. Sort of an achitectural statement. From a structural standpoint, that 1/4" will not matter a whit. A little hold back like that will also help water drip off the edge of the threshold and not run down the face of the board underneath - a big step to preventing rot. Think of it as a drip edge. You're liable to find everything imaginable as you look around, so don't feel reluctant to go with your own eye. -- -Mike- |
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On 8/14/2012 4:35 PM, Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote: Bill wrote: Leon wrote: I would simply finish nail a 1x4 in its place and perhaps angle the ends so that the bottom edge is shorter than the top edge, but not much. But that would leave the threshold plate extending 1/4" over the edge of the new trim (unless you mean a real 1" 1x4). ...and, your concern is?... Actually, that would be a good thing. I'll look around and observe whether I see any configured that way. A threshold plate (my word) sticking out just doen't seem right to me yet. That's normal... you want it to drip off and not run back under to the wood. |
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On 8/14/2012 2:02 PM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote: I would simply finish nail a 1x4 in its place and perhaps angle the ends so that the bottom edge is shorter than the top edge, but not much. But that would leave the threshold plate extending 1/4" over the edge of the new trim (unless you mean a real 1" 1x4). Putty nail holes and paint. Treat it like regular trim. Is your molding thicker than 3/4"? Have you actually measured it? |
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Leon wrote:
On 8/14/2012 2:02 PM, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: I would simply finish nail a 1x4 in its place and perhaps angle the ends so that the bottom edge is shorter than the top edge, but not much. But that would leave the threshold plate extending 1/4" over the edge of the new trim (unless you mean a real 1" 1x4). Putty nail holes and paint. Treat it like regular trim. Is your molding thicker than 3/4"? Have you actually measured it? Yes, It's 1" on the inside (where it alighs with the threshold plate), and 5/4" on the outside. Because of that, I plan to go with a 1" board. The 2nd picture shows that it really is "super wide": http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ |
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Bill wrote:
Leon wrote: On 8/14/2012 2:02 PM, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: I would simply finish nail a 1x4 in its place and perhaps angle the ends so that the bottom edge is shorter than the top edge, but not much. But that would leave the threshold plate extending 1/4" over the edge of the new trim (unless you mean a real 1" 1x4). Putty nail holes and paint. Treat it like regular trim. Is your molding thicker than 3/4"? Have you actually measured it? Yes, It's 1" on the inside (where it alighs with the threshold plate), and 5/4" on the outside. Because of that, I plan to go with a 1" board. The 2nd picture shows that it really is "super wide": Yes, I meant "super THICK". http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ |
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On 8/15/2012 11:30 AM, Bill wrote:
.... Yes, It's 1" on the inside (where it alighs with the threshold plate), and 5/4" on the outside. Because of that, I plan to go with a 1" board. The moulding around the door is brick mould whereas somebody just stuck a piece of interior sash trim along the bottom. You can buy short section of brick mould to match the rest and use that if want although I'd look at what's below the threshold itself. What you really should have is a regular full threshold underneath and that would be the actual support, not a trim piece serving dual function. If there's an opening under there, the ideal would be to insert it under there and then the trim would be under it to simply dress it up... -- |
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On 8/15/12 11:30 AM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote: On 8/14/2012 2:02 PM, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: I would simply finish nail a 1x4 in its place and perhaps angle the ends so that the bottom edge is shorter than the top edge, but not much. But that would leave the threshold plate extending 1/4" over the edge of the new trim (unless you mean a real 1" 1x4). Putty nail holes and paint. Treat it like regular trim. Is your molding thicker than 3/4"? Have you actually measured it? Yes, It's 1" on the inside (where it alighs with the threshold plate), and 5/4" on the outside. Because of that, I plan to go with a 1" board. The 2nd picture shows that it really is "super wide": http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ I'm late to this party, but when I looked at your pictures the first thing that jumped into my mind was PVC garage door jamb. It is thick and wide, lasts forever, and doesn't need painting. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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Bill wrote:
Leon wrote: On 8/14/2012 2:02 PM, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: I would simply finish nail a 1x4 in its place and perhaps angle the ends so that the bottom edge is shorter than the top edge, but not much. But that would leave the threshold plate extending 1/4" over the edge of the new trim (unless you mean a real 1" 1x4). Putty nail holes and paint. Treat it like regular trim. Is your molding thicker than 3/4"? Have you actually measured it? Yes, It's 1" on the inside (where it alighs with the threshold plate), and 5/4" on the outside. Because of that, I plan to go with a 1" board. The 2nd picture shows that it really is "super wide": Bill - that is ranch moulding. It's not even freakin' brick moulding. Measure the damned thing and you will find it to be just under 3/4". You've got a gap behind it that adds to the measurement. You need to learn how to read your tape measure Bill. -- -Mike- |
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On 8/13/2012 11:39 PM, Bill wrote:
As I have been tending to details in finishing the drywall I installed in my shop, I feel as though I've been tip-toeing around an "Elephant in the room". It is the board which looks likes it's part of the door molding, but perhaps also supports the threshold (between the house and the shop). It is so ugly, I took 3 pics of it (shop side view): http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ To be generous, it is obviously an OEM part. : ) Almost anything else would be an improvement. Somehow after learning how to shim my other door, I'm less tolerant of this "problem"--even though I don't know precisely how to best fix it yet. If I couldn't ask anyone, I might take a 2by4 and work it down to size, 1" wide, and maybe put a bevel on the outside edge of bottom and the ends for the sake of its protection and style, and screw it in place. I'm not sure whether I'd want to hide the screw heads under joint compound or not. Then I'd prime and paint. I don't know whether the sides you don't see are supposed to be finished or not (to prevent warping?) Okay, now what's the right way to do it? : ) Thank you! Bill Take it off, put up a piece of solid pine, it will act as a kick panel. Paint it or leave it raw. 3/4 inch pine will leave only 1/4" overhanging. |
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Bill wrote:
As I have been tending to details in finishing the drywall I installed in my shop, I feel as though I've been tip-toeing around an "Elephant in the room". It is the board which looks likes it's part of the door molding, but perhaps also supports the threshold (between the house and the shop). It is so ugly, I took 3 pics of it (shop side view): http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ To be generous, it is obviously an OEM part. : ) Almost anything else would be an improvement. Somehow after learning how to shim my other door, I'm less tolerant of this "problem"--even though I don't know precisely how to best fix it yet. If I couldn't ask anyone, I might take a 2by4 and work it down to size, 1" wide, and maybe put a bevel on the outside edge of bottom and the ends for the sake of its protection and style, and screw it in place. I'm not sure whether I'd want to hide the screw heads under joint compound or not. Then I'd prime and paint. I don't know whether the sides you don't see are supposed to be finished or not (to prevent warping?) Okay, now what's the right way to do it? : ) Thank you! Bill It's always a pleasure to share how things come out with the folks here who help and are supportive. I documented the short story if you care to view it (I tried to make it interesting). http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ Thank you, Bill |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:09:27 -0400, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote: As I have been tending to details in finishing the drywall I installed in my shop, I feel as though I've been tip-toeing around an "Elephant in the room". It is the board which looks likes it's part of the door molding, but perhaps also supports the threshold (between the house and the shop). It is so ugly, I took 3 pics of it (shop side view): http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ To be generous, it is obviously an OEM part. : ) Almost anything else would be an improvement. Somehow after learning how to shim my other door, I'm less tolerant of this "problem"--even though I don't know precisely how to best fix it yet. If I couldn't ask anyone, I might take a 2by4 and work it down to size, 1" wide, and maybe put a bevel on the outside edge of bottom and the ends for the sake of its protection and style, and screw it in place. I'm not sure whether I'd want to hide the screw heads under joint compound or not. Then I'd prime and paint. I don't know whether the sides you don't see are supposed to be finished or not (to prevent warping?) Okay, now what's the right way to do it? : ) Thank you! Bill It's always a pleasure to share how things come out with the folks here who help and are supportive. I documented the short story if you care to view it (I tried to make it interesting). http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ Then there's curmudgeonly me. g I see lots, good and bad. What I see is a thicker moulding which will try to catch your toes on the way into the house every time you step over it. I would have replaced the moulding with one as thin or thinner than the existing one so that wouldn't be a problem. When you're in a hurry, you don't always watch your foot positioning, so you'll trip. Hey, and clean the mud off your paint under the door and on the porch, eh? (Right after you caulk.) titter -- All of us want to do well. But if we do not do good, too, then doing well will never be enough. -- Anna Quindlen |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:09:27 -0400, Bill wrote: Bill wrote: As I have been tending to details in finishing the drywall I installed in my shop, I feel as though I've been tip-toeing around an "Elephant in the room". It is the board which looks likes it's part of the door molding, but perhaps also supports the threshold (between the house and the shop). It is so ugly, I took 3 pics of it (shop side view): http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ To be generous, it is obviously an OEM part. : ) Almost anything else would be an improvement. Somehow after learning how to shim my other door, I'm less tolerant of this "problem"--even though I don't know precisely how to best fix it yet. If I couldn't ask anyone, I might take a 2by4 and work it down to size, 1" wide, and maybe put a bevel on the outside edge of bottom and the ends for the sake of its protection and style, and screw it in place. I'm not sure whether I'd want to hide the screw heads under joint compound or not. Then I'd prime and paint. I don't know whether the sides you don't see are supposed to be finished or not (to prevent warping?) Okay, now what's the right way to do it? : ) Thank you! Bill It's always a pleasure to share how things come out with the folks here who help and are supportive. I documented the short story if you care to view it (I tried to make it interesting). http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ Then there's curmudgeonly me. g I see lots, good and bad. What I see is a thicker moulding which will try to catch your toes on the way into the house every time you step over it. I would have replaced the moulding with one as thin or thinner than the existing one so that wouldn't be a problem. I would have just made it wider...all the way to the floor. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 00:09:27 -0400, Bill wrote: It's always a pleasure to share how things come out with the folks here who help and are supportive. I documented the short story if you care to view it (I tried to make it interesting). http://web.newsguy.com/MySite/ Then there's curmudgeonly me. g I see lots, good and bad. Well, that's how we (all) learn! What I see is a thicker moulding which will try to catch your toes on the way into the house every time you step over it. I would have replaced the moulding with one as thin or thinner than the existing one so that wouldn't be a problem. When you're in a hurry, you don't always watch your foot positioning, so you'll trip. I don't think that is a problem because there is a preceding step. One's inclination is to step at least to the middle of the threshold--not to the front edge. Hey, and clean the mud off your paint under the door and on the porch, eh? (Right after you caulk.) titter Yes, I'm preparing for a total repaint (soon as I finish the drywall). -- All of us want to do well. But if we do not do good, too, then doing well will never be enough. -- Anna Quindlen |
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Bill wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote: Hey, and clean the mud off your paint under the door and on the porch, eh? (Right after you caulk.) titter I missed your joke the first time around! Ha ha ha!!! : ) I assume a wire brush will help tidy up, down the road--maybe a small one on my rotary tool. I gotta get my nose to the drywall, to get that job done! |
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Bill wrote:
Bill wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: Hey, and clean the mud off your paint under the door and on the porch, eh? (Right after you caulk.) titter What is a good filler to use if I might decide I wish to change my design (because I used deck Screws--not nails)? I did not think of that at the time (that's the sort of thing that happens when I don't "plan"). I suspect wood putty would be difficult to remove. What would you think? Drywall compound? Start over? : ) Bill |
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