Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?

A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints
(aside from my lack of experience). But in looking around before
the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will
fit on it. That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get
a solid wing to replace the other side. Preferably something well
under the $400ish for the ProMax.

(Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. When I upgrade the
bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station
or a table saw type.)

--
Drew Lawson

I only came in search of answers, never planned to sell my soul
I only came in search of something left that I could call my own

On 4/10/2012 12:45 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?

A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints
(aside from my lack of experience). But in looking around before
the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will
fit on it. That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get
a solid wing to replace the other side. Preferably something well
under the $400ish for the ProMax.

(Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. When I upgrade the
bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station
or a table saw type.)


Food for thought, TS extension router tables work best in a larger
shop. HUH? Do you ever use you TS extension for any thing other than
cutting wood? I find it to be a nice work surface that for 25 years
eliminated the need for me to have a work bench of the same size.
Add a router to your TS extension and you double the chance that you
will need to keep that area cleared off and have a separate work bench.

YMMV

I have a small basement shop and classify myself as a hobbyist. I
wanted a wider left-wing on my contractor saw so I added a Woodhaven
router table as the left wing. Great support for sawing larger
materials and I don't need to have a seperate router table taking up
space. Ya, the router table takes up the space, but I wanted the wider
left-wing anyway so I got 2-in-1.
I'm just fine with laminate (Formica) covered wood as my wings. It's
stable and strong. My 40" Biesemeyer table is laminate-covered and I
never had a desire for cast iron.

I do also use the saw wings as work spaces. But I also have a work
table just behind the saw for sanding, assembly, and supporting large
material as it comes off the saw. I don't have a real woodworkers
workbench.
Btw, I'm a bit of a neat freak and like to keep my tables cleaned off
when I'm not doing real work on them.

--
John S.

On 04/10/2012 01:15 PM, Leon wrote:
On 4/10/2012 12:45 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?

A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints
(aside from my lack of experience). But in looking around before
the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will
fit on it. That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get
a solid wing to replace the other side. Preferably something well
under the $400ish for the ProMax.

(Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. When I upgrade the
bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station
or a table saw type.)


Food for thought, TS extension router tables work best in a larger shop.
HUH? Do you ever use you TS extension for any thing other than cutting
wood? I find it to be a nice work surface that for 25 years eliminated
the need for me to have a work bench of the same size.
Add a router to your TS extension and you double the chance that you
will need to keep that area cleared off and have a separate work bench.

YMMV

On 4/10/2012 2:33 PM, John Shear wrote:
I have a small basement shop and classify myself as a hobbyist. I wanted
a wider left-wing on my contractor saw so I added a Woodhaven router
table as the left wing. Great support for sawing larger materials and I
don't need to have a seperate router table taking up space. Ya, the
router table takes up the space, but I wanted the wider left-wing anyway
so I got 2-in-1.
I'm just fine with laminate (Formica) covered wood as my wings. It's
stable and strong. My 40" Biesemeyer table is laminate-covered and I
never had a desire for cast iron.

Nothing wrong with formica wings, I used that for many many years. And
the router on the left side makes much more sense to me than the right
side but I find I use both the saw and router table and not wanting to
disturb settings on either. ;~)

I agree about the do not disturb. Once you have a setup, you don't want
to change it until you are certain you are done. That's what kept me
from having one machine handle both needs. Every machine I have not is
independent for that reason. And also the reason I have 3 routers. Need
one more though.

On 4/10/2012 8:27 PM, Leon wrote:

Nothing wrong with formica wings, I used that for many many years. And
the router on the left side makes much more sense to me than the right
side but I find I use both the saw and router table and not wanting to
disturb settings on either. ;~)

On 4/10/2012 7:32 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
I agree about the do not disturb. Once you have a setup, you don't want
to change it until you are certain you are done. That's what kept me
from having one machine handle both needs. Every machine I have not is
independent for that reason. And also the reason I have 3 routers. Need
one more though.

I currently have 4, a dedicated router for the router table, a 1617evs
for general routing and a 37 year old B&D dedicated to flush trim
laminate and veneer. Then there is the big Bosch plunge that I cannot
remember the last time I turned it on.

Ya, I plan my work so I get all the sawing done, clean the table off,
get the routing done, clean the table off. Sometimes I don't plan as
well and have to re-setup something but that's not a problem. It's not
like I do that every day (or even every week) - I'm a hobbyist and the
space saving is more important. If I was doing this every day and
needed to make really nice stuff for others, I would definitely opt for
the efficiency of seperate units.

John S.

On 04/10/2012 07:27 PM, Leon wrote:
Nothing wrong with formica wings, I used that for many many years. And
the router on the left side makes much more sense to me than the right
side but I find I use both the saw and router table and not wanting to
disturb settings on either. ;~)

John Shear wrote:
Ya, I plan my work so I get all the sawing done, clean the table off,
get the routing done, clean the table off. Sometimes I don't plan as
well and have to re-setup something but that's not a problem. It's
not like I do that every day (or even every week) - I'm a hobbyist
and the space saving is more important. If I was doing this every
day and needed to make really nice stuff for others, I would
definitely opt for the efficiency of seperate units.


That's how I do things as well. Before I built my extension wing with the
router mounted under it, I had a cheap router table that I just screwed to a
pair of sawhorses. That did allow for a production line better than my
current set up, but it was also another thing to deal with in my shop. I
have not really ever felt impacted by doing things this way now, and it's so
much more compact. But like you - I am not a production shop. I do like
that I can just slide my fence over and use it as the router fence. Very
convenient. Lower my router below the deck and I have the entire width of
my extension for use.

--

-Mike-

Drew Lawson wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?


Google?

--

-Mike-

In article
"Mike Marlow" writes:
Drew Lawson wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?


Google?

Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
reliable than asking people with experience.


--
Drew Lawson | I'd like to find your inner child
| and kick its little ass

Drew Lawson wrote:
In article
"Mike Marlow" writes:
Drew Lawson wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?


Google?

Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
reliable than asking people with experience.

And your original question was... what?

--

-Mike-

In article
"Mike Marlow" writes:
Drew Lawson wrote:
In article
"Mike Marlow" writes:
Drew Lawson wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?


Google?

Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
reliable than asking people with experience.

And your original question was... what?

Quoted above.

Googling on: aftermarket table saw wings
brings an estimated 293,000 results.

The first page has a couple discussion pages where someone got wings
from somewhere. Vendors aren't referenced and the threads are over
a year old. The rest of the first page are vendor pages for people
who sell "aftermarket foo" mention "table saw" somewhere under
another product.

At this point I know that aftermarket router tables that replace
one wing exist. That gives me hope that cast iron wings the same
size are available, but I don't know. I'm a new player in this
market space. Many posters here are esperienced players there.
So I asked.

There, I've clarified my question.
Exactly what did your response contain?

--
Drew Lawson | What you own is your own kingdom
| What you do is your own glory
| What you love is your own power
| What you live is your own story

Drew Lawson wrote:
In article
"Mike Marlow" writes:
Drew Lawson wrote:
In article
"Mike Marlow" writes:
Drew Lawson wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?


Google?

Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
reliable than asking people with experience.

And your original question was... what?

Quoted above.

Googling on: aftermarket table saw wings
brings an estimated 293,000 results.

Did you read any of those 293,000 results? The first page of results
contained an Amazon link to a cast iron router mount table saw wing. Not
sure if it's exactly what you're looking for, but it's there.


The first page has a couple discussion pages where someone got wings
from somewhere. Vendors aren't referenced and the threads are over
a year old. The rest of the first page are vendor pages for people
who sell "aftermarket foo" mention "table saw" somewhere under
another product.

Don't have any idea what you are saying with aftermarket foo. Most wings
are aftermarket - especially if they contain a router mount.


At this point I know that aftermarket router tables that replace
one wing exist. That gives me hope that cast iron wings the same
size are available, but I don't know. I'm a new player in this
market space. Many posters here are esperienced players there.
So I asked.

Don't know if the sizes I quickly found would satisfy your desire - I only
did a quick google search and only spend a few seconds looking at the
results. A more specific search would probably yield results closer to what
you may be looking for.

--

-Mike-

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:06:14 +0000 (UTC), lid
Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
reliable than asking people with experience.

Hey. If you've got the time to read answers here, then you've got the
time to read several thousand of this Google search results.

Maybe you need to narrow your search pattern a little more. Try
combining words separated by plus signs and surrounded by exclamation
marks. You *can* get very specific with Google searches.

On 4/10/2012 1:06 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
In
"Mike writes:
Drew Lawson wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?

Google?
Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
reliable than asking people with experience.


1. When I wanted to extend my table saw, I got a sheet of 3/4" MDF and,
with appropriate bracing, made one myself the exact size I wanted. If
you're any kind of woodworker at all, you might consider a similar solution.

2. How many people do you think you will find here who have experience
in cast iron aftermarket/upgrade tablesaw wings who are going to take
the time to answer you? 2? 5? 10? Is that a large enough sample
size for you to make an intellingent decision? My solution worked great
for me, and may work for you too, but it's nothing like what you asked
about. If I confined my self to your specific question, I wouldn't have
a clue from my personal experience..

3. Most people, when they use a search engine, don't care that it will
display thousands of hits. They know that if they use the right search
query, and the information they seek is available, it will show up in
the first 20 to 100 sites displayed. If the first 4 to 5 pages don't
give you a solution, you are unlikely to find one at all.

In article
Just Wondering writes:
On 4/10/2012 1:06 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
In
"Mike writes:
Drew Lawson wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?

Google?
Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
reliable than asking people with experience.


1. When I wanted to extend my table saw, I got a sheet of 3/4" MDF and,
with appropriate bracing, made one myself the exact size I wanted. If
you're any kind of woodworker at all, you might consider a similar solution.

I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an
improvement. As for whether I, today, am any kind of woodworker
-- I have not asserted that much. I'm a tool buyer who is trying
to learn.

2. How many people do you think you will find here who have experience
in cast iron aftermarket/upgrade tablesaw wings who are going to take
the time to answer you? 2? 5? 10? Is that a large enough sample
size for you to make an intellingent decision?

It depends on the posters. I've been reading here for years. I
have a pretty good idea who is full of wind, who is helpful and who
is an asshole but reliable when he finally answers.

And any single "Yes, CompanyName sells those" would be all it takes
on the "yes" side.

My solution worked great
for me, and may work for you too, but it's nothing like what you asked
about. If I confined my self to your specific question, I wouldn't have
a clue from my personal experience..

I appreciate that intent.

But for a specific, "Does anyone sell this sort if stuff?" I see
"No, there is no market" or "Some do, but I can't say who" to be
helpful.

3. Most people, when they use a search engine, don't care that it will
display thousands of hits. They know that if they use the right search
query, and the information they seek is available, it will show up in
the first 20 to 100 sites displayed. If the first 4 to 5 pages don't
give you a solution, you are unlikely to find one at all.

I figured this was a question more focussed on woodworking and
woodworking tools than MBAs or socialism so I thought I'd give it
a shot. If no one answered, I'd figure I was looking for something
no one had interest in.


--
Drew Lawson | If dreams were thunder,
| and lightning was desire,
| This old house would have burnt down
| a long time ago

Drew Lawson wrote:


I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an
improvement.

It's not much of an improvement from a materials standpoint, but it's what I
went with also. Someday, I'll probably replace it with a melamine surface
just because I like that more. The MDF surface has worked for me, so I
can't express any real problems with it. I have a router mounted under it,
and it carries the weight just fine. I wanted extensions that went the full
length of my fence rails, so I was pretty well stuck with building my own.

As for whether I, today, am any kind of woodworker
-- I have not asserted that much. I'm a tool buyer who is trying
to learn.


A tool buyer - now that's a noble pursuit in life! How many tools does a
man need? Just one more...

--

-Mike-

On 4/10/2012 5:26 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
In
Just writes:
On 4/10/2012 1:06 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
In
"Mike writes:
Drew Lawson wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?

Google?
Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more
reliable than asking people with experience.


1. When I wanted to extend my table saw, I got a sheet of 3/4" MDF and,
with appropriate bracing, made one myself the exact size I wanted. If
you're any kind of woodworker at all, you might consider a similar solution.

I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an
improvement. As for whether I, today, am any kind of woodworker
-- I have not asserted that much. I'm a tool buyer who is trying
to learn.

MDF with Formica is a huge improvement over stamped steel. Much heavier
and flatter. Been there, done that.

When I got my contractor saw (many moons ago) Delta sent me replacement
stamped steel wings twice and I realized I was never going to get one
that's not twisted or otherwise malformed. I considered plain MDF and
melamine but I wanted durable - like a counter-top to that's why I went
with the laminate wing - it's slick to slide material on and it's tough,
stable stuff.

I also had little routing experience (but enough to know the value of a
table) and didn't feel confident I could make a table as nice as what I
could buy so I got an affordable solution from Woodhaven that's worked
extremely well for me. If you go to woodhaven.com search for TM500.
Mine came with the wood supports and frame and all mounting materials
but it's not clear they include all that now. I don't like the angled
legs though, so I'm going to change those to vertical legs that go
straght to the floor with adjustable feet like what my Biesemeyer table
has. Obviously I never move my saw.

I always thought cast iron would be the cool manly thing to have, but I
honestly can't think of any reason why spending more on cast iron would
be an upgrade over what I have (for the hobbyist) so I'm sticking with
what I have and expect it to last my lifetime.

John S.

On 04/10/2012 05:26 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an
improvement....

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:15:54 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

Drew Lawson wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?


Google?

www.grizzly.com has 'em for Griz saurs. With a little ingenuity, they
might be made to fit other saur brands, too.

--
Resolve to be thyself: and know, that he who finds himself, loses his misery.
-- Matthew Arnold

On Apr 10, 12:45*pm, (Drew Lawson) wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?

A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints
(aside from my lack of experience). *But in looking around before
the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will
fit on it. *That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get
a solid wing to replace the other side. *Preferably something well
under the $400ish for the ProMax.

(Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. *When I upgrade the
bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station
or a table saw type.)

--
*Drew Lawson

*I only came in search of answers, never planned to sell my soul
*I only came in search of something left that I could call my own

I don't intend to be a smart-a** but it sounds like your are re-
thinking your original purchase. As I recall your saw is in the $500
range and, in the stores, it looks like a pretty nice machine. But if
you start adding a $400 router table wing and cast iron on the other
side you are getting into the range of some 3hp cabinet saws or 2hp
hybrids. Here is a cheaper cast router table wing if it will fit.
Also a Hybrid and another saw that if fitted with the wing would be a
pretty good upgrade for a little more money. I have a Grizzly 1023S
that is fitted with a shop made router table extension and fence that
was largely made from scrap. it is as good and as versatile as some
of the expensive ones. The extension table is within the length of
the saws rails.


http://www.grizzly.com/products/Rout...able-Saw/H7507
http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-3...le-Saw/G1023RL
http://www.grizzly.com/search/search...83680365 8641

In article
RonB writes:
On Apr 10, 12:45*pm, (Drew Lawson) wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?

A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints

I don't intend to be a smart-a** but it sounds like your are re-
thinking your original purchase.

No, but I am a life-long daydreaming window shopper.

If I can swap out the side tables in a year or two, I'd like to
know it is possible. If it is possible, but $400 per side, I have
better ways to spend the money, but I'd still like to know.

I've been browsing all sorts of accessories (shop made and commercial)
that I have no current need for, but I like knowing what the possible
range of use is. This is the first saw I've had that is anywhere
near standard size and detail, so some things have been pointless
to look at before.

As I recall your saw is in the $500
range and, in the stores, it looks like a pretty nice machine. But if
you start adding a $400 router table wing and cast iron on the other
side you are getting into the range of some 3hp cabinet saws or 2hp
hybrids.

A few weeks has shown that I hardly have room for this saw. Any
more saw would be a problem. Any saw requiring 220 would be a dust
collector for at least a few years to come (until a major garage
reworking).

Here is a cheaper cast router table wing if it will fit.
Also a Hybrid and another saw that if fitted with the wing would be a
pretty good upgrade for a little more money. I have a Grizzly 1023S
that is fitted with a shop made router table extension and fence that
was largely made from scrap. it is as good and as versatile as some
of the expensive ones. The extension table is within the length of
the saws rails.

No shop-made table from my shop will satisfy the cast iron fetish.


http://www.grizzly.com/products/Rout...able-Saw/H7507
http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-3...le-Saw/G1023RL
http://www.grizzly.com/search/search...83680365 8641


--
Drew Lawson | Though it's just a memory,
| some memories last forever

"Drew Lawson" wrote in message
...
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?

A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints
(aside from my lack of experience). But in looking around before
the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will
fit on it. That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get
a solid wing to replace the other side. Preferably something well
under the $400ish for the ProMax.

(Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. When I upgrade the
bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station
or a table saw type.)

--
Drew Lawson

I only came in search of answers, never planned to sell my soul
I only came in search of something left that I could call my own


Probably available from a repair parts store.

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:45:39 +0000 (UTC), lid (Drew
Lawson) wrote:

Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?
[...snip...]

I doubt there are aftermarket cast iron wings sold; saws vary as to
the dimension of the top.

What might work is to get some as replacement parts from a
manufacturer. If you can find a model of saw with the right wing
dimensions to work with your saw, perhaps you could order those. My
guess is the main dimension to worry about is front to back depth.

The way the ones on my saw work, there are two or three bolts that goe
through holes in the wing into mating threaded holes on my central
top. If your table has such an arrangement, and you had a suitable
sized wing but the mounting holes don't line up, you could drill new
ones. I'd guess you want slightly oversized holes to allow
adjustments.

Just stumbled across this, which has a 50 lb. cast iron wing

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shops...n_exten_anchor

John S.

On 04/10/2012 12:45 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available?