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Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast
iron, available? A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints (aside from my lack of experience). But in looking around before the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will fit on it. That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get a solid wing to replace the other side. Preferably something well under the $400ish for the ProMax. (Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. When I upgrade the bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station or a table saw type.) -- Drew Lawson I only came in search of answers, never planned to sell my soul I only came in search of something left that I could call my own |
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On 4/10/2012 12:45 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast iron, available? A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints (aside from my lack of experience). But in looking around before the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will fit on it. That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get a solid wing to replace the other side. Preferably something well under the $400ish for the ProMax. (Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. When I upgrade the bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station or a table saw type.) Food for thought, TS extension router tables work best in a larger shop. HUH? Do you ever use you TS extension for any thing other than cutting wood? I find it to be a nice work surface that for 25 years eliminated the need for me to have a work bench of the same size. Add a router to your TS extension and you double the chance that you will need to keep that area cleared off and have a separate work bench. YMMV |
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"Mike Marlow" writes: Drew Lawson wrote: Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast iron, available? Google? Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more reliable than asking people with experience. -- Drew Lawson | I'd like to find your inner child | and kick its little ass |
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On Apr 10, 12:45*pm, (Drew Lawson) wrote:
Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast iron, available? A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints (aside from my lack of experience). *But in looking around before the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will fit on it. *That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get a solid wing to replace the other side. *Preferably something well under the $400ish for the ProMax. (Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. *When I upgrade the bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station or a table saw type.) -- *Drew Lawson *I only came in search of answers, never planned to sell my soul *I only came in search of something left that I could call my own I don't intend to be a smart-a** but it sounds like your are re- thinking your original purchase. As I recall your saw is in the $500 range and, in the stores, it looks like a pretty nice machine. But if you start adding a $400 router table wing and cast iron on the other side you are getting into the range of some 3hp cabinet saws or 2hp hybrids. Here is a cheaper cast router table wing if it will fit. Also a Hybrid and another saw that if fitted with the wing would be a pretty good upgrade for a little more money. I have a Grizzly 1023S that is fitted with a shop made router table extension and fence that was largely made from scrap. it is as good and as versatile as some of the expensive ones. The extension table is within the length of the saws rails. http://www.grizzly.com/products/Rout...able-Saw/H7507 http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-3...le-Saw/G1023RL http://www.grizzly.com/search/search...83680365 8641 |
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I have a small basement shop and classify myself as a hobbyist. I
wanted a wider left-wing on my contractor saw so I added a Woodhaven router table as the left wing. Great support for sawing larger materials and I don't need to have a seperate router table taking up space. Ya, the router table takes up the space, but I wanted the wider left-wing anyway so I got 2-in-1. I'm just fine with laminate (Formica) covered wood as my wings. It's stable and strong. My 40" Biesemeyer table is laminate-covered and I never had a desire for cast iron. I do also use the saw wings as work spaces. But I also have a work table just behind the saw for sanding, assembly, and supporting large material as it comes off the saw. I don't have a real woodworkers workbench. Btw, I'm a bit of a neat freak and like to keep my tables cleaned off when I'm not doing real work on them. :) -- John S. On 04/10/2012 01:15 PM, Leon wrote: On 4/10/2012 12:45 PM, Drew Lawson wrote: Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast iron, available? A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints (aside from my lack of experience). But in looking around before the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will fit on it. That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get a solid wing to replace the other side. Preferably something well under the $400ish for the ProMax. (Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. When I upgrade the bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station or a table saw type.) Food for thought, TS extension router tables work best in a larger shop. HUH? Do you ever use you TS extension for any thing other than cutting wood? I find it to be a nice work surface that for 25 years eliminated the need for me to have a work bench of the same size. Add a router to your TS extension and you double the chance that you will need to keep that area cleared off and have a separate work bench. YMMV |
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RonB writes: On Apr 10, 12:45*pm, (Drew Lawson) wrote: Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast iron, available? A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints I don't intend to be a smart-a** but it sounds like your are re- thinking your original purchase. No, but I am a life-long daydreaming window shopper. If I can swap out the side tables in a year or two, I'd like to know it is possible. If it is possible, but $400 per side, I have better ways to spend the money, but I'd still like to know. I've been browsing all sorts of accessories (shop made and commercial) that I have no current need for, but I like knowing what the possible range of use is. This is the first saw I've had that is anywhere near standard size and detail, so some things have been pointless to look at before. As I recall your saw is in the $500 range and, in the stores, it looks like a pretty nice machine. But if you start adding a $400 router table wing and cast iron on the other side you are getting into the range of some 3hp cabinet saws or 2hp hybrids. A few weeks has shown that I hardly have room for this saw. Any more saw would be a problem. Any saw requiring 220 would be a dust collector for at least a few years to come (until a major garage reworking). Here is a cheaper cast router table wing if it will fit. Also a Hybrid and another saw that if fitted with the wing would be a pretty good upgrade for a little more money. I have a Grizzly 1023S that is fitted with a shop made router table extension and fence that was largely made from scrap. it is as good and as versatile as some of the expensive ones. The extension table is within the length of the saws rails. No shop-made table from my shop will satisfy the cast iron fetish. http://www.grizzly.com/products/Rout...able-Saw/H7507 http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-3...le-Saw/G1023RL http://www.grizzly.com/search/search...83680365 8641 -- Drew Lawson | Though it's just a memory, | some memories last forever |
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"Mike Marlow" writes: Drew Lawson wrote: In article "Mike Marlow" writes: Drew Lawson wrote: Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast iron, available? Google? Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more reliable than asking people with experience. And your original question was... what? Quoted above. Googling on: aftermarket table saw wings brings an estimated 293,000 results. The first page has a couple discussion pages where someone got wings from somewhere. Vendors aren't referenced and the threads are over a year old. The rest of the first page are vendor pages for people who sell "aftermarket foo" mention "table saw" somewhere under another product. At this point I know that aftermarket router tables that replace one wing exist. That gives me hope that cast iron wings the same size are available, but I don't know. I'm a new player in this market space. Many posters here are esperienced players there. So I asked. There, I've clarified my question. Exactly what did your response contain? -- Drew Lawson | What you own is your own kingdom | What you do is your own glory | What you love is your own power | What you live is your own story |
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Drew Lawson wrote:
In article "Mike Marlow" writes: Drew Lawson wrote: In article "Mike Marlow" writes: Drew Lawson wrote: Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast iron, available? Google? Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more reliable than asking people with experience. And your original question was... what? Quoted above. Googling on: aftermarket table saw wings brings an estimated 293,000 results. Did you read any of those 293,000 results? The first page of results contained an Amazon link to a cast iron router mount table saw wing. Not sure if it's exactly what you're looking for, but it's there. The first page has a couple discussion pages where someone got wings from somewhere. Vendors aren't referenced and the threads are over a year old. The rest of the first page are vendor pages for people who sell "aftermarket foo" mention "table saw" somewhere under another product. Don't have any idea what you are saying with aftermarket foo. Most wings are aftermarket - especially if they contain a router mount. At this point I know that aftermarket router tables that replace one wing exist. That gives me hope that cast iron wings the same size are available, but I don't know. I'm a new player in this market space. Many posters here are esperienced players there. So I asked. Don't know if the sizes I quickly found would satisfy your desire - I only did a quick google search and only spend a few seconds looking at the results. A more specific search would probably yield results closer to what you may be looking for. -- -Mike- |
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"Mike Marlow" writes: Drew Lawson wrote: In article "Mike Marlow" writes: Drew Lawson wrote: In article "Mike Marlow" writes: Drew Lawson wrote: Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast iron, available? Google? Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more reliable than asking people with experience. And your original question was... what? Quoted above. Googling on: aftermarket table saw wings brings an estimated 293,000 results. Did you read any of those 293,000 results? The first page of results contained an Amazon link to a cast iron router mount table saw wing. Not sure if it's exactly what you're looking for, but it's there. I scanned the page and loaded a half dozen of the hits. I missed that one. Thank you for pointing it out. That would have been useful. Without it, you post was easily read as "don't bother us with any questions." BTW, you do know that Google results aren't the same for everyone, right? They are cleaver in customizing results based on search history. The results can also differ by region. The first page has a couple discussion pages where someone got wings from somewhere. Vendors aren't referenced and the threads are over a year old. The rest of the first page are vendor pages for people who sell "aftermarket foo" mention "table saw" somewhere under another product. Don't have any idea what you are saying with aftermarket foo. Most wings are aftermarket - especially if they contain a router mount. I thought the question was clearly asked by someone unfamiliar with the tablesaw market. How would I already know what is common practice? As for the above, searching on: aftermarket table saw wings will find pages with those words, but they may not be in the same part of the page. One of the pages sold aftermarket fences and table saw jigs, for example. At this point I know that aftermarket router tables that replace one wing exist. That gives me hope that cast iron wings the same size are available, but I don't know. I'm a new player in this market space. Many posters here are esperienced players there. So I asked. Don't know if the sizes I quickly found would satisfy your desire - I only did a quick google search and only spend a few seconds looking at the results. A more specific search would probably yield results closer to what you may be looking for. I'll take that one as a starting point. As I've said a few times (as in the original question), I had no idea whether there were suppliers of such things. You can waste a lot of time searching for someone who sells something that doesn't exist. -- |Drew Lawson | Mrs. Tweedy! | | | The chickens are revolting! | |
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On 4/10/2012 1:06 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
In "Mike writes: Drew Lawson wrote: Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast iron, available? Google? Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more reliable than asking people with experience. 1. When I wanted to extend my table saw, I got a sheet of 3/4" MDF and, with appropriate bracing, made one myself the exact size I wanted. If you're any kind of woodworker at all, you might consider a similar solution. 2. How many people do you think you will find here who have experience in cast iron aftermarket/upgrade tablesaw wings who are going to take the time to answer you? 2? 5? 10? Is that a large enough sample size for you to make an intellingent decision? My solution worked great for me, and may work for you too, but it's nothing like what you asked about. If I confined my self to your specific question, I wouldn't have a clue from my personal experience.. 3. Most people, when they use a search engine, don't care that it will display thousands of hits. They know that if they use the right search query, and the information they seek is available, it will show up in the first 20 to 100 sites displayed. If the first 4 to 5 pages don't give you a solution, you are unlikely to find one at all. |
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Just Wondering writes: On 4/10/2012 1:06 PM, Drew Lawson wrote: In "Mike writes: Drew Lawson wrote: Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast iron, available? Google? Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more reliable than asking people with experience. 1. When I wanted to extend my table saw, I got a sheet of 3/4" MDF and, with appropriate bracing, made one myself the exact size I wanted. If you're any kind of woodworker at all, you might consider a similar solution. I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an improvement. As for whether I, today, am any kind of woodworker -- I have not asserted that much. I'm a tool buyer who is trying to learn. 2. How many people do you think you will find here who have experience in cast iron aftermarket/upgrade tablesaw wings who are going to take the time to answer you? 2? 5? 10? Is that a large enough sample size for you to make an intellingent decision? It depends on the posters. I've been reading here for years. I have a pretty good idea who is full of wind, who is helpful and who is an asshole but reliable when he finally answers. And any single "Yes, CompanyName sells those" would be all it takes on the "yes" side. My solution worked great for me, and may work for you too, but it's nothing like what you asked about. If I confined my self to your specific question, I wouldn't have a clue from my personal experience.. I appreciate that intent. But for a specific, "Does anyone sell this sort if stuff?" I see "No, there is no market" or "Some do, but I can't say who" to be helpful. 3. Most people, when they use a search engine, don't care that it will display thousands of hits. They know that if they use the right search query, and the information they seek is available, it will show up in the first 20 to 100 sites displayed. If the first 4 to 5 pages don't give you a solution, you are unlikely to find one at all. I figured this was a question more focussed on woodworking and woodworking tools than MBAs or socialism so I thought I'd give it a shot. If no one answered, I'd figure I was looking for something no one had interest in. -- Drew Lawson | If dreams were thunder, | and lightning was desire, | This old house would have burnt down | a long time ago |
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Drew Lawson wrote:
I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an improvement. It's not much of an improvement from a materials standpoint, but it's what I went with also. Someday, I'll probably replace it with a melamine surface just because I like that more. The MDF surface has worked for me, so I can't express any real problems with it. I have a router mounted under it, and it carries the weight just fine. I wanted extensions that went the full length of my fence rails, so I was pretty well stuck with building my own. As for whether I, today, am any kind of woodworker -- I have not asserted that much. I'm a tool buyer who is trying to learn. A tool buyer - now that's a noble pursuit in life! How many tools does a man need? Just one more... -- -Mike- |
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:15:54 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote: Drew Lawson wrote: Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast iron, available? Google? www.grizzly.com has 'em for Griz saurs. With a little ingenuity, they might be made to fit other saur brands, too. -- Resolve to be thyself: and know, that he who finds himself, loses his misery. -- Matthew Arnold |
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On 4/10/2012 2:33 PM, John Shear wrote:
I have a small basement shop and classify myself as a hobbyist. I wanted a wider left-wing on my contractor saw so I added a Woodhaven router table as the left wing. Great support for sawing larger materials and I don't need to have a seperate router table taking up space. Ya, the router table takes up the space, but I wanted the wider left-wing anyway so I got 2-in-1. I'm just fine with laminate (Formica) covered wood as my wings. It's stable and strong. My 40" Biesemeyer table is laminate-covered and I never had a desire for cast iron. Nothing wrong with formica wings, I used that for many many years. And the router on the left side makes much more sense to me than the right side but I find I use both the saw and router table and not wanting to disturb settings on either. ;~) |
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I agree about the do not disturb. Once you have a setup, you don't want
to change it until you are certain you are done. That's what kept me from having one machine handle both needs. Every machine I have not is independent for that reason. And also the reason I have 3 routers. Need one more though. On 4/10/2012 8:27 PM, Leon wrote: Nothing wrong with formica wings, I used that for many many years. And the router on the left side makes much more sense to me than the right side but I find I use both the saw and router table and not wanting to disturb settings on either. ;~) |
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"Drew Lawson" wrote in message ... Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast iron, available? A few weeks back, I picked up a R4512, and I have no real complaints (aside from my lack of experience). But in looking around before the purchase, I found one site that says the Bench Dog ProMax will fit on it. That got me thinking, it would be cool if I could get a solid wing to replace the other side. Preferably something well under the $400ish for the ProMax. (Undecided on whether I *want* the ProMax. When I upgrade the bench-top router table, I'm on the fence between a Norm style station or a table saw type.) -- Drew Lawson I only came in search of answers, never planned to sell my soul I only came in search of something left that I could call my own Probably available from a repair parts store. |
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On 4/10/2012 7:32 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
I agree about the do not disturb. Once you have a setup, you don't want to change it until you are certain you are done. That's what kept me from having one machine handle both needs. Every machine I have not is independent for that reason. And also the reason I have 3 routers. Need one more though. I currently have 4, a dedicated router for the router table, a 1617evs for general routing and a 37 year old B&D dedicated to flush trim laminate and veneer. Then there is the big Bosch plunge that I cannot remember the last time I turned it on. |
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On 4/10/2012 5:26 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
In Just writes: On 4/10/2012 1:06 PM, Drew Lawson wrote: In "Mike writes: Drew Lawson wrote: Are there any after-market/upgrade tablesaw wings, preferably cast iron, available? Google? Thanks. Reviewing 293,000 pages will probably be faster and more reliable than asking people with experience. 1. When I wanted to extend my table saw, I got a sheet of 3/4" MDF and, with appropriate bracing, made one myself the exact size I wanted. If you're any kind of woodworker at all, you might consider a similar solution. I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an improvement. As for whether I, today, am any kind of woodworker -- I have not asserted that much. I'm a tool buyer who is trying to learn. MDF with Formica is a huge improvement over stamped steel. Much heavier and flatter. Been there, done that. |
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On 4/10/2012 5:50 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Drew Lawson wrote: I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an improvement. It's not much of an improvement from a materials standpoint, but it's what I went with also. Someday, I'll probably replace it with a melamine surface just because I like that more. The MDF surface has worked for me, so I can't express any real problems with it. I have a router mounted under it, and it carries the weight just fine. I wanted extensions that went the full length of my fence rails, so I was pretty well stuck with building my own. I have had Formica and melamine, absolutely prefer Formica. |
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:05:14 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
I currently have 4, a dedicated router for the router table, a 1617evs for general routing and a 37 year old B&D dedicated to flush trim laminate and veneer. Then there is the big Bosch plunge that I cannot remember the last time I turned it on. What? No Festool routers in there? Shame on you Leon. You can't be a real Festool owner if you don't own at least one of their routers. |
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On 4/11/2012 6:30 AM, Dave wrote:
I currently have 4, a dedicated router for the router table, a 1617evs for general routing and a 37 year old B&D dedicated to flush trim laminate and veneer. Then there is the big Bosch plunge that I cannot remember the last time I turned it on. What? No Festool routers in there? Shame on you Leon. You can't be a real Festool owner if you don't own at least one of their routers. I have five at last count, and not one a Festool. Contrary to popular belief, we elegantly sip from a small demitasse of Festool koolaid ...to supersize, or gulp, would be declasse'. ;) -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 06:45:53 -0500, Swingman wrote:
I have five at last count, and not one a Festool. Contrary to popular belief, we elegantly sip from a small demitasse of Festool koolaid ...to supersize, or gulp, would be declasse'. ;) Truly, I'm shocked. Considering you two meeting for your middle of the road morning tool tradeoff, I'd have figured there'd be at least one Festool router in there. |
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On 4/10/2012 10:08 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Leon wrote: I have had Formica and melamine, absolutely prefer Formica. Why's that Leon? I have no problem going with Formica, but I didn't realize there would be an advantage to using it over melamine. Tougher material. Contrary to what has been said about melamine I have had glue stick to it well enough that the piece of wood that I was gluing on top of the TS melamine extension table stuck to it. Removal of that piece of wood resulted in the Melamine coming off with where the glue squeezed out. And Formica and or a like material does not chip around the edges as easily as melamine. Not saying the glue would not stick to Formica but it is approximately 4~5 times thicker than melamine and that would probably be less likely to break of chip off. My previous TS had Formica extension wings that I built and I never had an issue with it. Can't say the same with the melamine extension that came with my Jet TS. Basically, it is kinda like deciding which you would prefer when buying plywood. One with a thick outer veneer on with a very thin outer veneer? |
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2 x 1617evs one in the table, one that I switch bases on for everything.
And an old Craftsman professional from 1960's 1/4 that I keep a dedicated 1/8 round over bit in. See I need one more so that I can have 2 hand helds. I am thinking maybe 2 more now... one full size and one trim router.....hmmmmmm Just need a job. Now if Only I were a foreigner so someone would consider me. On 4/10/2012 10:05 PM, Leon wrote: On 4/10/2012 7:32 PM, tiredofspam wrote: I agree about the do not disturb. Once you have a setup, you don't want to change it until you are certain you are done. That's what kept me from having one machine handle both needs. Every machine I have not is independent for that reason. And also the reason I have 3 routers. Need one more though. I currently have 4, a dedicated router for the router table, a 1617evs for general routing and a 37 year old B&D dedicated to flush trim laminate and veneer. Then there is the big Bosch plunge that I cannot remember the last time I turned it on. |
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That's why I like the MDF surface. Hit it with WAXED shellac, and a coat
of wax after sanding down and it won't stick. But in general I would have gone for a formica extension. My outfeed table is mdf. I like the wood or steel , I can drill through if I need to mount a unique jig. Like a cove jig or something. On 4/11/2012 7:57 AM, Leon wrote: On 4/10/2012 10:08 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: Leon wrote: I have had Formica and melamine, absolutely prefer Formica. Why's that Leon? I have no problem going with Formica, but I didn't realize there would be an advantage to using it over melamine. Tougher material. Contrary to what has been said about melamine I have had glue stick to it well enough that the piece of wood that I was gluing on top of the TS melamine extension table stuck to it. Removal of that piece of wood resulted in the Melamine coming off with where the glue squeezed out. And Formica and or a like material does not chip around the edges as easily as melamine. Not saying the glue would not stick to Formica but it is approximately 4~5 times thicker than melamine and that would probably be less likely to break of chip off. My previous TS had Formica extension wings that I built and I never had an issue with it. Can't say the same with the melamine extension that came with my Jet TS. Basically, it is kinda like deciding which you would prefer when buying plywood. One with a thick outer veneer on with a very thin outer veneer? |
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Ya, I plan my work so I get all the sawing done, clean the table off,
get the routing done, clean the table off. Sometimes I don't plan as well and have to re-setup something but that's not a problem. It's not like I do that every day (or even every week) - I'm a hobbyist and the space saving is more important. If I was doing this every day and needed to make really nice stuff for others, I would definitely opt for the efficiency of seperate units. John S. On 04/10/2012 07:27 PM, Leon wrote: Nothing wrong with formica wings, I used that for many many years. And the router on the left side makes much more sense to me than the right side but I find I use both the saw and router table and not wanting to disturb settings on either. ;~) |
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Leon wrote:
Tougher material. Contrary to what has been said about melamine I have had glue stick to it well enough that the piece of wood that I was gluing on top of the TS melamine extension table stuck to it. Removal of that piece of wood resulted in the Melamine coming off with where the glue squeezed out. And Formica and or a like material does not chip around the edges as easily as melamine. Not saying the glue would not stick to Formica but it is approximately 4~5 times thicker than melamine and that would probably be less likely to break of chip off. My previous TS had Formica extension wings that I built and I never had an issue with it. Can't say the same with the melamine extension that came with my Jet TS. Basically, it is kinda like deciding which you would prefer when buying plywood. One with a thick outer veneer on with a very thin outer veneer? Excellent! Thank you. Like I said - I never realized those differences, and you've reshaped my thinking on this project whenever I decide to undertake it. |
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John Shear wrote:
Ya, I plan my work so I get all the sawing done, clean the table off, get the routing done, clean the table off. Sometimes I don't plan as well and have to re-setup something but that's not a problem. It's not like I do that every day (or even every week) - I'm a hobbyist and the space saving is more important. If I was doing this every day and needed to make really nice stuff for others, I would definitely opt for the efficiency of seperate units. That's how I do things as well. Before I built my extension wing with the router mounted under it, I had a cheap router table that I just screwed to a pair of sawhorses. That did allow for a production line better than my current set up, but it was also another thing to deal with in my shop. I have not really ever felt impacted by doing things this way now, and it's so much more compact. But like you - I am not a production shop. I do like that I can just slide my fence over and use it as the router fence. Very convenient. Lower my router below the deck and I have the entire width of my extension for use. -- -Mike- |
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When I got my contractor saw (many moons ago) Delta sent me replacement
stamped steel wings twice and I realized I was never going to get one that's not twisted or otherwise malformed. I considered plain MDF and melamine but I wanted durable - like a counter-top to that's why I went with the laminate wing - it's slick to slide material on and it's tough, stable stuff. I also had little routing experience (but enough to know the value of a table) and didn't feel confident I could make a table as nice as what I could buy so I got an affordable solution from Woodhaven that's worked extremely well for me. If you go to woodhaven.com search for TM500. Mine came with the wood supports and frame and all mounting materials but it's not clear they include all that now. I don't like the angled legs though, so I'm going to change those to vertical legs that go straght to the floor with adjustable feet like what my Biesemeyer table has. Obviously I never move my saw. I always thought cast iron would be the cool manly thing to have, but I honestly can't think of any reason why spending more on cast iron would be an upgrade over what I have (for the hobbyist) so I'm sticking with what I have and expect it to last my lifetime. John S. On 04/10/2012 05:26 PM, Drew Lawson wrote: I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an improvement.... |
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John Shear writes: I always thought cast iron would be the cool manly thing to have, but I honestly can't think of any reason why spending more on cast iron would be an upgrade over what I have (for the hobbyist) so I'm sticking with what I have and expect it to last my lifetime. I like cast iron, and I'd like to have the full surface cast iron. That said, the upgrade isn't near the top of the spending list. I'm hoping this is the year I can afford a band saw, and that is far higher on the wish list. The wings currently on the table are flat, though I need to spend more time on getting them aligned right. But it is nice to know that there are suppliers, so I could do this if I decide to. On 04/10/2012 05:26 PM, Drew Lawson wrote: I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an improvement.... -- Drew Lawson I only came in search of answers, never planned to sell my soul I only came in search of something left that I could call my own |
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On 4/11/2012 9:26 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Leon wrote: Tougher material. Contrary to what has been said about melamine I have had glue stick to it well enough that the piece of wood that I was gluing on top of the TS melamine extension table stuck to it. Removal of that piece of wood resulted in the Melamine coming off with where the glue squeezed out. And Formica and or a like material does not chip around the edges as easily as melamine. Not saying the glue would not stick to Formica but it is approximately 4~5 times thicker than melamine and that would probably be less likely to break of chip off. My previous TS had Formica extension wings that I built and I never had an issue with it. Can't say the same with the melamine extension that came with my Jet TS. Basically, it is kinda like deciding which you would prefer when buying plywood. One with a thick outer veneer on with a very thin outer veneer? Excellent! Thank you. Like I said - I never realized those differences, and you've reshaped my thinking on this project whenever I decide to undertake it. Consider doing this if you decide to to with a material like Formica. My hard wood supplier is a Wilson Art dealer. He will sell me damaged sheets for pennies on the dollar. ALSO most plastic laminates come in different thicknesses. Back splash thickness is typically thinner. Ask for the counter top thickness. |
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:26:15 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote: Leon wrote: Tougher material. Contrary to what has been said about melamine I have had glue stick to it well enough that the piece of wood that I was gluing on top of the TS melamine extension table stuck to it. Removal of that piece of wood resulted in the Melamine coming off with where the glue squeezed out. And Formica and or a like material does not chip around the edges as easily as melamine. Not saying the glue would not stick to Formica but it is approximately 4~5 times thicker than melamine and that would probably be less likely to break of chip off. My previous TS had Formica extension wings that I built and I never had an issue with it. Can't say the same with the melamine extension that came with my Jet TS. Melamine is extremely chippy, comparatively. One of my first tests of the Makita will be to rip some dual melamine MDF for shelving. The replacement track shipped today (not last Friday as I'd been led to believe. Grrr!) Basically, it is kinda like deciding which you would prefer when buying plywood. One with a thick outer veneer on with a very thin outer veneer? Excellent! Thank you. Like I said - I never realized those differences, and you've reshaped my thinking on this project whenever I decide to undertake it. Thin veneer is fine for paint gd&r but is unrealistic for clearcoating, especially if the project is to be REfinished some day. Thick (+ clearcoat) always gets my nod here. -- Let no man imagine that he has no influence. Whoever he may be, and wherever he may be placed, the man who thinks becomes a light and a power. -- Henry George |
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Leon wrote:
On 4/11/2012 9:26 AM, Mike Marlow wrote: Leon wrote: Tougher material. Contrary to what has been said about melamine I have had glue stick to it well enough that the piece of wood that I was gluing on top of the TS melamine extension table stuck to it. Removal of that piece of wood resulted in the Melamine coming off with where the glue squeezed out. And Formica and or a like material does not chip around the edges as easily as melamine. Not saying the glue would not stick to Formica but it is approximately 4~5 times thicker than melamine and that would probably be less likely to break of chip off. My previous TS had Formica extension wings that I built and I never had an issue with it. Can't say the same with the melamine extension that came with my Jet TS. Basically, it is kinda like deciding which you would prefer when buying plywood. One with a thick outer veneer on with a very thin outer veneer? Excellent! Thank you. Like I said - I never realized those differences, and you've reshaped my thinking on this project whenever I decide to undertake it. Consider doing this if you decide to to with a material like Formica. My hard wood supplier is a Wilson Art dealer. He will sell me damaged sheets for pennies on the dollar. ALSO most plastic laminates come in different thicknesses. Back splash thickness is typically thinner. Ask for the counter top thickness. Also - very good info. Thanks! -- -Mike- |
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Ah, always dreaming ahead like me. :^)
Back when I bought my bandsaw, I got what is currently the Powermatic PWBS-14CS. Not sure what the exact model number was back then, but it was priced close to an equivalent Jet, except the Powermatic had many "extras" that easily made it a better value. Now I see there's a little more difference in price but it's still a great value for everything you get. The Powermatic is an awesome machine and maybe even a little more than I need. I still have to try re-sawing one of these days... John S. On 04/11/2012 09:53 AM, Drew Lawson wrote: I like cast iron, and I'd like to have the full surface cast iron. That said, the upgrade isn't near the top of the spending list. I'm hoping this is the year I can afford a band saw, and that is far higher on the wish list. The wings currently on the table are flat, though I need to spend more time on getting them aligned right. But it is nice to know that there are suppliers, so I could do this if I decide to. On 04/10/2012 05:26 PM, Drew Lawson wrote: I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an improvement.... |
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John Shear writes: Ah, always dreaming ahead like me. :^) Back when I bought my bandsaw, I got what is currently the Powermatic PWBS-14CS. Not sure what the exact model number was back then, but it was priced close to an equivalent Jet, except the Powermatic had many "extras" that easily made it a better value. Now I see there's a little more difference in price but it's still a great value for everything you get. The Powermatic is an awesome machine and maybe even a little more than I need. I still have to try re-sawing one of these days... That is one that has my attention. I've been focused on the Rikon 10-325 for a while. That was a combination of price and cutting height. But over time, the price difference between that and the Powermatic with riser block has shrunk. Roughing turning bowl blanks is the justification for a band saw. But once I have it, I'm sure I'll try some resawing. John S. On 04/11/2012 09:53 AM, Drew Lawson wrote: I like cast iron, and I'd like to have the full surface cast iron. That said, the upgrade isn't near the top of the spending list. I'm hoping this is the year I can afford a band saw, and that is far higher on the wish list. The wings currently on the table are flat, though I need to spend more time on getting them aligned right. But it is nice to know that there are suppliers, so I could do this if I decide to. On 04/10/2012 05:26 PM, Drew Lawson wrote: I already have stamped steal extensions. I don't see MDF as an improvement.... -- Drew Lawson | Radioactive cats have | 18 half-lives | |
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