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How to make raised panel doors
specifically how to make the panels themselves.
I'm a student at a community taking a once a week evening cabinet making course. It's for fun only, not for career. I've decided to make my own raised panel doors out of poplar but I have a question on shaping the panels themselves. The school teaches the method of using a specific router bit but the bits they have are really abused and other students told me the bit cuts each profile on the panel different and deeper. I'm reluctant to buy and provide my own bit for cost reasons, so what if I take the panel to a table saw, take the majority of the depth off I want on all four side, then make a single pass on the router bit to get the shape. I want to make 16 doors in total with many panels being about 16 to 20 inches in length. All poplar. Anyone ever try this method before and what sort of results did you get. Also what sort of safety info can you provide with table saw. It's one woodworking tool that un-nerves me to some degree. Fence, mitre gauge, etc. Thanks for the advice. |
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The school teaches the method of using a specific router bit but the bits they have are really abused and other students told me the bit cuts each profile on the panel different and deeper. When i say this I mean that the bit has to be inspected after every pass to see that it's position has not changed because students were finding that each panel had four different depth shapes on a single panel. |
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Duesenberg wrote:
The school teaches the method of using a specific router bit but the bits they have are really abused and other students told me the bit cuts each profile on the panel different and deeper. When i say this I mean that the bit has to be inspected after every pass to see that it's position has not changed because students were finding that each panel had four different depth shapes on a single panel. Cheap router. Get a good router. No simple soultions to this problem. Buy junk - get junk. -- -Mike- |
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"Duesenberg" wrote in message ... The school teaches the method of using a specific router bit but the bits they have are really abused and other students told me the bit cuts each profile on the panel different and deeper. When i say this I mean that the bit has to be inspected after every pass to see that it's position has not changed because students were finding that each panel had four different depth shapes on a single panel. Sounds like the router bit is "riding up" in the collet. That could be a dangerous situation if the bit were to come out. The collet needs to be checked and the shank on the bit as well. If both are determined to be OK, then proper tightening of the collet might be the problem. But if either shows damage it needs to be replaced. Max |
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:45:08 -0600, "Max"
Sounds like the router bit is "riding up" in the collet. That could be a dangerous situation if the bit were to come out. The collet needs to be checked and the shank on the bit as well. If both are determined to be OK, then proper tightening of the collet might be the problem. If the router bit has a bearing, that could be wearing out too. Or else, it needs to be tightened in place. |
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On 3/31/2012 10:52 PM, Dave wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:45:08 -0600, Sounds like the router bit is "riding up" in the collet. That could be a dangerous situation if the bit were to come out. The collet needs to be checked and the shank on the bit as well. If both are determined to be OK, then proper tightening of the collet might be the problem. If the router bit has a bearing, that could be wearing out too. Or else, it needs to be tightened in place. I am talking about the bit that profiles the panel itself, not the bits that cut the rails and stiles. The rails and stiles bits are fine as I did some testing last week on them. This is the type of bit I was told is difficult to use in comparision to the table saw... They are called vertical bits. http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?p...2&site=ROCKLER |
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"Duesenberg" wrote in message ... On 3/31/2012 10:52 PM, Dave wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:45:08 -0600, Sounds like the router bit is "riding up" in the collet. That could be a dangerous situation if the bit were to come out. The collet needs to be checked and the shank on the bit as well. If both are determined to be OK, then proper tightening of the collet might be the problem. If the router bit has a bearing, that could be wearing out too. Or else, it needs to be tightened in place. I am talking about the bit that profiles the panel itself, not the bits that cut the rails and stiles. The rails and stiles bits are fine as I did some testing last week on them. This is the type of bit I was told is difficult to use in comparision to the table saw... They are called vertical bits. http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?p...2&site=ROCKLER The advice still applies. If the bit isn't firm in the collet you'll get different (deeper) profiles on the panel. And since it's a "vertical" bit it could be that users are not controlling the panel properly. I'm guessing that the router is in a table. If it isn't then you have more problems than I would care to deal with. LOL Max |
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"Duesenberg" wrote: I am talking about the bit that profiles the panel itself, not the bits that cut the rails and stiles. The rails and stiles bits are fine as I did some testing last week on them. This is the type of bit I was told is difficult to use in comparision to the table saw... They are called vertical bits. http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?p...2&site=ROCKLER ---------------------------------- Make multiple cuts. Slow router down to around 12,000 RPM. Make sure you use a tenoning jig. Lew |
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 23:00:53 -0400, Duesenberg wrote:
I am talking about the bit that profiles the panel itself, not the bits that cut the rails and stiles. The rails and stiles bits are fine as I did some testing last week on them. Then you should be able to cut the profile quite easily on a table saw. Many cabinet makers cut their panels on a table saw. As far as the profile bit for a router goes, if it's giving different cuts, then as others have mentioned, there's probably some kind of problem with the collet. Make sure there's no dust or dirt in it. Don't bottom it out, make sure it's at least 1/16" above the bottom of the collet. And yes, you can cut most of the profile off with the table saw and then use the router bit to cut the profile. That also, is a common method. |
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Duesenberg wrote:
The school teaches the method of using a specific router bit but the bits they have are really abused and other students told me the bit cuts each profile on the panel different and deeper. When i say this I mean that the bit has to be inspected after every pass to see that it's position has not changed because students were finding that each panel had four different depth shapes on a single panel. As others have said, movement of the bit on the collet could cause it but I doubt it. More likely that the wood being cut moved relative to the bit and fence; i.e., whoever was shoving it along the fence wobbled it a bit. Easy to do with a tall/wide panel and a relatively shorter fence. If they had been using a normal bit - work flat on the table - a minor lack of flatness of the wood would do it too (that holds true for vertical bits as well). That's one disadvantage of a router table compared to a hand held router...if the wood isn't totally flat, the depth of cut will vary. You can raise simple panels on a saw but your plan of then making a light pass with a router won't help in either of the two situations I mentioned. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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You don't have to use the router at all for raised panels.
You can cut the panels completely on the tablesaw, giving a raised panel. First you set your fence so the size of your field. And score the panel on four sides. Do that for all panels. Then you set your panel on edge and set the blade to come out just short of the reveal on the field you just cut. I have a high fence that I use for this. It extends my fence in height to support the boards when cutting like this. I also add a handscrew to the top of the panel so it rides the top of the fence for extra support. You can also make a sled to keep the panel tight to the fence. I don't need that. I use a feather board down below to keep the board tight to the fence. Then I cut the panel ... and you rotate and do the other side. Start each panel with endgrain first. Then cut with the grain, the tearout will be cleaned up by doing this . Your method may or may not work depending on the style of bit. It could be contemporary, or OGEE... Ogee would not work. Conemporary might work. Google search and you tube search for cutting raised panels on the table saw. Good luck. On 3/31/2012 9:26 PM, Duesenberg wrote: specifically how to make the panels themselves. I'm a student at a community taking a once a week evening cabinet making course. It's for fun only, not for career. I've decided to make my own raised panel doors out of poplar but I have a question on shaping the panels themselves. The school teaches the method of using a specific router bit but the bits they have are really abused and other students told me the bit cuts each profile on the panel different and deeper. I'm reluctant to buy and provide my own bit for cost reasons, so what if I take the panel to a table saw, take the majority of the depth off I want on all four side, then make a single pass on the router bit to get the shape. I want to make 16 doors in total with many panels being about 16 to 20 inches in length. All poplar. Anyone ever try this method before and what sort of results did you get. Also what sort of safety info can you provide with table saw. It's one woodworking tool that un-nerves me to some degree. Fence, mitre gauge, etc. Thanks for the advice. |
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"Duesenberg" wrote in message ... specifically how to make the panels themselves. I'm a student at a community taking a once a week evening cabinet making course. It's for fun only, not for career. I've decided to make my own raised panel doors out of poplar but I have a question on shaping the panels themselves. The school teaches the method of using a specific router bit but the bits they have are really abused and other students told me the bit cuts each profile on the panel different and deeper. I'm reluctant to buy and provide my own bit for cost reasons, so what if I take the panel to a table saw, take the majority of the depth off I want on all four side, then make a single pass on the router bit to get the shape. I want to make 16 doors in total with many panels being about 16 to 20 inches in length. All poplar. Anyone ever try this method before and what sort of results did you get. Also what sort of safety info can you provide with table saw. It's one woodworking tool that un-nerves me to some degree. Fence, mitre gauge, etc. Thanks for the advice. You can do raised panels on a tablesaw. Google "cutting raised panels on a table saw". Art |
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Duesenberg wrote:
specifically how to make the panels themselves. I'm a student at a community taking a once a week evening cabinet making course. It's for fun only, not for career. I've decided to make my own raised panel doors out of poplar but I have a question on shaping the panels themselves. The school teaches the method of using a specific router bit but the bits they have are really abused and other students told me the bit cuts each profile on the panel different and deeper. What do you mean by "abused"? If the router is properly set up, the cut should be the same for each panel. I'd bet the "students" are making excuses for their own mistakes by blaming the equipment. Even dull equipment will make repeatitive cuts - even if they are not so perfect. I'm reluctant to buy and provide my own bit for cost reasons, so what if I take the panel to a table saw, take the majority of the depth off I want on all four side, then make a single pass on the router bit to get the shape. That could work but you would have to make sure you do not undercut the profile of the router bit. More likely, those crummy router bits are going to make unpredictable cuts - right? I want to make 16 doors in total with many panels being about 16 to 20 inches in length. All poplar. Size and quantity are irrelevant. Anyone ever try this method before and what sort of results did you get. Also what sort of safety info can you provide with table saw. Oye. Two different questions. Yes - you can bulk off some of the wood with the saw but as I said - be careful. I would not waste the time doing it. No benefit at all. As for safety... Come on - you're taking a course right? Have you not been taught that basic thing? Table saw safety is not a simple one sentence answer. So many things to be aware of. You should not expect that kind of answer in a question like you pose. It's one woodworking tool that un-nerves me to some degree. Fence, mitre gauge, etc. Really? And just why would that be? Thanks for the advice. Advice? Hell - we haven't even gotten into advice yet. Just wait until the fun starts. -- -Mike- |
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:11:37 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
What do you mean by "abused"? If the router is properly set up, the cut should be the same for each panel. I'd bet the "students" are making excuses for their own mistakes by blaming the equipment. Even dull equipment will make repeatitive cuts - even if they are not so perfect. Possibly, the bearing on the router is wearing out or needs to be tightened. If the students are getting slightly different profiles when using the same bit then the course teacher should be informed of that fact and have him determine the problem. |
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In article ,
Dave wrote: If the students are getting slightly different profiles when using the same bit then the course teacher should be informed of that fact and have him determine the problem. That is indeed the correct answer to the problem. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org |
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On 4/1/2012 5:02 PM, Stuart wrote:
In , wrote: If the students are getting slightly different profiles when using the same bit then the course teacher should be informed of that fact and have him determine the problem. That is indeed the correct answer to the problem. This is a long response but it at least gives a complete background of the issue: The standard raised panel bit is somewhat damaged at the shank. The instructor showed me. There are two sets of students. Evening students like myself and daytime students. Evening students take the course for fun and usually after a year begin building their own projects and purchasing their own wood. We don't care about a certificate or piece of paper, most are building projects for family, or gifts or personal reasons. Day students are there to get a diploma and get a job (hopefully). They are not allowed to do their own projects unless they are asked to, and under strict grading at that. They are NOT allowed to bring in their own tools or wood. They must complete the college's projects with college provided supplies only. As an evening student I would be allowed to purchase a router bit and use it at the college, however the cost of the bit is not something I like and if I provide my own wood, lets say walnut it could get costly. The day students make their doors out of popular and MDF for the early projects and Oak for the later more advanced projects and if they make a mistake they don't get anymore wood for their project. One other note. Evening students are under no time contraints whilst day students have to complete their project within a set amount of time, therefore the day students are much harder on equipment. So that Panel router bit cold be used 20 times a day during some weeks, and the courses are run 52 weeks a year so that bit is under intense abuse if you think about it. |
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Duesenberg wrote: The standard raised panel bit is somewhat damaged at the shank. The instructor showed me. Aha! In that case they really ought to replace it. There are two sets of students. Evening students like myself and daytime students. Evening students take the course for fun and usually after a year begin building their own projects and purchasing their own wood. We don't care about a certificate or piece of paper, most are building projects for family, or gifts or personal reasons. Day students are there to get a diploma and get a job (hopefully). They are not allowed to do their own projects unless they are asked to, and under strict grading at that. They are NOT allowed to bring in their own tools or wood. They must complete the college's projects with college provided supplies only. Sounds like when I did woodwork at school, though in the last year you did design and make something to your own ideas. The design aspect was part of the course. As I mentioned elsewhere though, there were no power tools (1958-63) it was all done using hand tools. As an evening student I would be allowed to purchase a router bit and use it at the college, however the cost of the bit is not something I like Tell me about it. I bought one last year and it gets treated very respectfully. Carefully cleaned and put back into the manufacturer supplied storage case after every use. and if I provide my own wood, lets say walnut it could get costly. Ooooo yes. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org |
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"Duesenberg" wrote
I've decided to make my own raised panel doors out of poplar but I have a question on shaping the panels themselves. Consider using a different wood. Using pooplar, in making 16 doors the odds are that 2 or 3 will be so twisted that they will not close tightly all around the door. -- Jim in NC |
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Yep:
http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/etip011116ws.html On 3/31/2012 6:26 PM, Duesenberg wrote: specifically how to make the panels themselves. I'm a student at a community taking a once a week evening cabinet making course. It's for fun only, not for career. I've decided to make my own raised panel doors out of poplar but I have a question on shaping the panels themselves. I want to make 16 doors in total with many panels being about 16 to 20 inches in length. All poplar. |
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I neglected to mention the world's handy man
spot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63aBHazzpDw This guy is doing it using a Makita job site saw with decent success. A search on making raised panels on a table saw got a LOT of hits. On 3/31/2012 6:26 PM, Duesenberg wrote: specifically how to make the panels themselves. |
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