Since my recent discovery of planes I have been looking at wood a little
differently. I've been planing down the mangiest specimens in my scrap
pile for practice and have noticed that the wood underneath the dirt,
raised grain and oxidation looks pretty good.

Armed with that knowledge, and running out of really damaged scrap to
practice on, I've started to raid another source: the 50 (or more)
year-old remnants of a kitchen installer/plumber whose building my Dad
bought in the late '60s. There's not a lot of great stuff there; the guy
wasn't a cabinet maker, after all. Most of it is narrower material,
including some oak 2x2 (ish) of random lengths.

But there is also a fair amount of what must have been real
utility-grade stock; stuff the plumber would make shelving out of for
his various fittings. There are 1x6 pine boards of various lengths. It's
pretty dirty, but what I've looked at appears to be less warped than
what you might find at HD.

I've seen furniture that is allegedly made from salvaged or antique
pine, some of which looks pretty nice. I took a piece home and planed
down one face (for practice, of course). Even dry it had a richer color,
tending toward orange, than wood you might buy now. I wiped on a coat of
Waterlox, which intensified the color.

I think this has possibilities. I'm sure I could cobble together enough
of this material for a coffee table, for instance. I'm curious, is the
difference I'm seeing due to age (even though I've planed off the outer
layer), or is it more likely that the wood was different to begin with
back in the '60s, or even '50s, when it was sold?

In ,
Greg Guarino typed:
Since my recent discovery of planes I have been looking
at wood a little differently. I've been planing down the
mangiest specimens in my scrap pile for practice and have
noticed that the wood underneath the dirt, raised grain
and oxidation looks pretty good.
Armed with that knowledge, and running out of really
damaged scrap to practice on, I've started to raid
another source: the 50 (or more) year-old remnants of a
kitchen installer/plumber whose building my Dad bought in
the late '60s. There's not a lot of great stuff there;
the guy wasn't a cabinet maker, after all. Most of it is
narrower material, including some oak 2x2 (ish) of random
lengths.
But there is also a fair amount of what must have been
real utility-grade stock; stuff the plumber would make
shelving out of for his various fittings. There are 1x6
pine boards of various lengths. It's pretty dirty, but
what I've looked at appears to be less warped than what
you might find at HD.
I've seen furniture that is allegedly made from salvaged
or antique pine, some of which looks pretty nice. I took
a piece home and planed down one face (for practice, of
course). Even dry it had a richer color, tending toward
orange, than wood you might buy now. I wiped on a coat of
Waterlox, which intensified the color.
I think this has possibilities. I'm sure I could cobble
together enough of this material for a coffee table, for
instance. I'm curious, is the difference I'm seeing due
to age (even though I've planed off the outer layer), or
is it more likely that the wood was different to begin
with back in the '60s, or even '50s, when it was sold?

All are possiblties. Aged pine simply takes on that color actually.
Personally I wouldn't lke it, but what I'd like is not relevant; if you like
it, go for it. This is one of those cases where I'd say beauty is in the eye
of the beholder. BTW, the color changes arean't really "layer" related;
they're more like a gradent and get different as you go deeper into the
surface of the wood.

Good luck,
Twayne`

On 11/14/2011 8:24 AM, Twayne wrote:
In ,
Greg typed:
Since my recent discovery of planes I have been looking
at wood a little differently. I've been planing down the
mangiest specimens in my scrap pile for practice and have
noticed that the wood underneath the dirt, raised grain
and oxidation looks pretty good.
Armed with that knowledge, and running out of really
damaged scrap to practice on, I've started to raid
another source: the 50 (or more) year-old remnants of a
kitchen installer/plumber whose building my Dad bought in
the late '60s. There's not a lot of great stuff there;
the guy wasn't a cabinet maker, after all. Most of it is
narrower material, including some oak 2x2 (ish) of random
lengths.
But there is also a fair amount of what must have been
real utility-grade stock; stuff the plumber would make
shelving out of for his various fittings. There are 1x6
pine boards of various lengths. It's pretty dirty, but
what I've looked at appears to be less warped than what
you might find at HD.
I've seen furniture that is allegedly made from salvaged
or antique pine, some of which looks pretty nice. I took
a piece home and planed down one face (for practice, of
course). Even dry it had a richer color, tending toward
orange, than wood you might buy now. I wiped on a coat of
Waterlox, which intensified the color.
I think this has possibilities. I'm sure I could cobble
together enough of this material for a coffee table, for
instance. I'm curious, is the difference I'm seeing due
to age (even though I've planed off the outer layer), or
is it more likely that the wood was different to begin
with back in the '60s, or even '50s, when it was sold?

All are possiblties. Aged pine simply takes on that color actually.
Personally I wouldn't lke it, but what I'd like is not relevant; if you like
it, go for it. This is one of those cases where I'd say beauty is in the eye
of the beholder. BTW, the color changes arean't really "layer" related;
they're more like a gradent and get different as you go deeper into the
surface of the wood.

Good luck,
Twayne`


Thanks for the advice, especially the "gradient" part.

Greg Guarino

On 11/13/2011 10:52 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
....

... I've started to raid another source: the 50 (or more)
year-old remnants of ...
....
... 1x6 pine boards of various lengths. It's
pretty dirty, but what I've looked at appears to be less warped than
what you might find at HD.

I've seen furniture that is allegedly made from salvaged or antique
pine, some of which looks pretty nice. I took a piece home and planed
down one face (for practice, of course). Even dry it had a richer color,
tending toward orange, than wood you might buy now. I wiped on a coat of
Waterlox, which intensified the color.

....
... is the
difference I'm seeing due to age (even though I've planed off the outer
layer), or is it more likely that the wood was different to begin with
back in the '60s, or even '50s, when it was sold?

I routinely salvage almost everything; no matter how ugly even old
fencing has become on the outer surfaces assuming it hasn't actually
rotted through and through the interior will still be essentially pristine.

It is as another said a combination of slow oxidation and what was
originally. A lot of the color also will relate as to what varieties of
pine it is--SYP is much more golden than the white pines.

As for the "alleged", above, why use that? They salvage logs from where
they've been lost in transport or fell naturally that are far older than
the above and the interiors are still essentially as new.

It's really quite pleasant to take an old chunk that looks like he** and
run it through the planer and come out w/ a nice piece. I do more
architectural stuff any more and create mouldings etc., from old tubaX
framing material, fencing, etc., to match old profiles. It's far less
expensive than to try to find clear stock of any species.

--

"Greg Guarino" wrote in message
...
Since my recent discovery of planes I have been looking at wood a little
differently. I've been planing down the mangiest specimens in my scrap
pile for practice and have noticed that the wood underneath the dirt,
raised grain and oxidation looks pretty good.

Armed with that knowledge, and running out of really damaged scrap to
practice on, I've started to raid another source: the 50 (or more)
year-old remnants of a kitchen installer/plumber whose building my Dad
bought in the late '60s. There's not a lot of great stuff there; the guy
wasn't a cabinet maker, after all. Most of it is narrower material,
including some oak 2x2 (ish) of random lengths.

But there is also a fair amount of what must have been real utility-grade
stock; stuff the plumber would make shelving out of for his various
fittings. There are 1x6 pine boards of various lengths. It's pretty dirty,
but what I've looked at appears to be less warped than what you might find
at HD.

I've seen furniture that is allegedly made from salvaged or antique pine,
some of which looks pretty nice. I took a piece home and planed down one
face (for practice, of course). Even dry it had a richer color, tending
toward orange, than wood you might buy now. I wiped on a coat of Waterlox,
which intensified the color.

I think this has possibilities. I'm sure I could cobble together enough of
this material for a coffee table, for instance. I'm curious, is the
difference I'm seeing due to age (even though I've planed off the outer
layer), or is it more likely that the wood was different to begin with
back in the '60s, or even '50s, when it was sold?

Yes, wood was much better in the 50s and 60s, even more so in the 40s. I was
checking out some of the lumber in my father-in-law's cottage basement. Much
of it was local cedar wood, however, compared to any cedar one would find
today, the growth rings were very tight. I would estimate that they were
about 75 to 100 rings to the inch, so tight they were hard to see, where
today's wood would be about 4 rings per inch.

Wood like this is beautiful, and came from virgin forests.