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OK.. been toiling with this for years.
The other day, in Lowes, I spot 12" x 14" L-bracket shelf supports rated at 100 lbs. So I figure 4 of those mounted to a 2x4, mounted to my shop wall studs and spaced 12" vertically apart or so and that should be adequate. I ran some calcs based on wood density and a stack of 12" oak that is 10" wide would average out to less than 100# per support. oak 50#/cuft 50 x 8' x 12" x 10" / 4 supports = 83 # / support What am I missing? Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla -- instanct lumber rack for $2 a support ($8 per row) |
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On 9/8/2011 6:14 PM, kansascats wrote:
OK.. been toiling with this for years. The other day, in Lowes, I spot 12" x 14" L-bracket shelf supports rated at 100 lbs. So I figure 4 of those mounted to a 2x4, mounted to my shop wall studs and spaced 12" vertically apart or so and that should be adequate. I ran some calcs based on wood density and a stack of 12" oak that is 10" wide would average out to less than 100# per support. oak 50#/cuft 50 x 8' x 12" x 10" / 4 supports = 83 # / support What am I missing? Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla -- instanct lumber rack for $2 a support ($8 per row) What are you missing? Some one leaning on the rack and it all coming down. IMHO you want to be rated for at least double the load. Also, 4 rows? Loading 320# on eack stud??? I would suggest free standing on the floor 2x6 and anchored to the wall at the top to prevent it falling. http://www.grizzly.com/outlet/12-Woo...et-Pair-/H2535 http://cdn0.grizzly.com/manuals/h2535_m.pdf The above 12" brackets support 300# each. That is what I use. |
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That is a beefy solution. But I'm just looking to hold a stack of
maybe 10" high x 8" wide hardwoods -or- 10" high x 10" wide 2x materials. Even their photo shows the rack 80% unused. For that, the cheap brackets are plenty strong. That's my point -- I only ever want to put at-most 10" of material on them -- because I don't want to sort through 20 boards. With that in mind, each bracket only needs to support 50# or so. This is for dried lumber. Green would be a different story.. though I could sticker this rack system and probabley keep similar densities as dried. http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/wo...sity-d_40.html On Sep 8, 6:58*pm, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/8/2011 6:14 PM, kansascats wrote: OK.. been toiling with this for years. The other day, in Lowes, I spot 12" x 14" L-bracket shelf supports rated at 100 lbs. *So I figure 4 of those mounted to a 2x4, mounted to my shop wall studs and spaced 12" vertically apart or so and that should be adequate. * I ran some calcs based on wood density and a stack of 12" oak that is 10" wide would average out to less than 100# per support. oak 50#/cuft 50 x 8' x 12" x 10" / 4 supports = 83 # / support What am I missing? Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla -- instanct lumber rack for $2 a support ($8 per row) What are you missing? *Some one leaning on the rack and it all coming down. *IMHO you want to be rated for at least double the load. Also, 4 rows? *Loading 320# on eack stud??? *I would suggest free standing on the floor 2x6 and anchored to the wall at the top to prevent it falling. http://www.grizzly.com/outlet/12-Woo...et-Pair-/H2535 http://cdn0.grizzly.com/manuals/h2535_m.pdf The above 12" brackets support 300# each. *That is what I use.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On 9/9/2011 10:47 AM, kansascats wrote:
That is a beefy solution. But I'm just looking to hold a stack of maybe 10" high x 8" wide hardwoods -or- 10" high x 10" wide 2x materials. Even their photo shows the rack 80% unused. For that, the cheap brackets are plenty strong. That's my point -- I only ever want to put at-most 10" of material on them -- because I don't want to sort through 20 boards. With that in mind, each bracket only needs to support 50# or so. To load a 100# bracket with 8e# is an accident waiting to happen. 83 # is the number you provided. oak 50#/cuft 50 x 8' x 12" x 10" / 4 supports = 83 # / support 50# would be safer. This is for dried lumber. Green would be a different story.. though I could sticker this rack system and probabley keep similar densities as dried. http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/wo...sity-d_40.html On Sep 8, 6:58 pm, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/8/2011 6:14 PM, kansascats wrote: OK.. been toiling with this for years. The other day, in Lowes, I spot 12" x 14" L-bracket shelf supports rated at 100 lbs. So I figure 4 of those mounted to a 2x4, mounted to my shop wall studs and spaced 12" vertically apart or so and that should be adequate. I ran some calcs based on wood density and a stack of 12" oak that is 10" wide would average out to less than 100# per support. oak 50#/cuft 50 x 8' x 12" x 10" / 4 supports = 83 # / support What am I missing? Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla -- instanct lumber rack for $2 a support ($8 per row) What are you missing? Some one leaning on the rack and it all coming down. IMHO you want to be rated for at least double the load. Also, 4 rows? Loading 320# on eack stud??? I would suggest free standing on the floor 2x6 and anchored to the wall at the top to prevent it falling. http://www.grizzly.com/outlet/12-Woo...et-Pair-/H2535 http://cdn0.grizzly.com/manuals/h2535_m.pdf The above 12" brackets support 300# each. That is what I use.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On 9/9/2011 12:14 PM, Leon wrote:
On 9/9/2011 10:47 AM, kansascats wrote: That is a beefy solution. But I'm just looking to hold a stack of maybe 10" high x 8" wide hardwoods -or- 10" high x 10" wide 2x materials. Even their photo shows the rack 80% unused. For that, the cheap brackets are plenty strong. That's my point -- I only ever want to put at-most 10" of material on them -- because I don't want to sort through 20 boards. With that in mind, each bracket only needs to support 50# or so. To load a 100# bracket with 8e# is an accident waiting to happen. 83 # is the number you provided. oak 50#/cuft 50 x 8' x 12" x 10" / 4 supports = 83 # / support 50# would be safer. .... So would 20 be even safer... The 80lb is assuming a very high density for domestic hardwoods and also a 100% loading w/ a 100% packing factor. It just ain't agonna' happen in reality. Folks getting awfully carried away here--the worst that happens anyway is he spills a few boards on the floor he gets to pick up and put away again. Overhead storage or a structural issue, sure, but to stick a few boards on the wall he'll be fine as long as ensures their mounted securely. -- |
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On 9/9/2011 12:36 PM, dpb wrote:
On 9/9/2011 12:14 PM, Leon wrote: On 9/9/2011 10:47 AM, kansascats wrote: That is a beefy solution. But I'm just looking to hold a stack of maybe 10" high x 8" wide hardwoods -or- 10" high x 10" wide 2x materials. Even their photo shows the rack 80% unused. For that, the cheap brackets are plenty strong. That's my point -- I only ever want to put at-most 10" of material on them -- because I don't want to sort through 20 boards. With that in mind, each bracket only needs to support 50# or so. To load a 100# bracket with 8e# is an accident waiting to happen. 83 # is the number you provided. oak 50#/cuft 50 x 8' x 12" x 10" / 4 supports = 83 # / support 50# would be safer. ... So would 20 be even safer... The 80lb is assuming a very high density for domestic hardwoods and also a 100% loading w/ a 100% packing factor. It just ain't agonna' happen in reality. Folks getting awfully carried away here--the worst that happens anyway is he spills a few boards on the floor he gets to pick up and put away again. Or a 30# child pulls up on the boards and they come falling down on him or her. |
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Exactly. And my guess is the 100# rated bracket probably can hold
120# or better. The point is to get a few doz boards off the floor. I wish I had the problem of storing a few hundred board feet of hardwood :-( On Sep 9, 12:36*pm, dpb wrote: On 9/9/2011 12:14 PM, Leon wrote: On 9/9/2011 10:47 AM, kansascats wrote: That is a beefy solution. But I'm just looking to hold a stack of maybe 10" high x 8" wide hardwoods -or- 10" high x 10" wide 2x materials. Even their photo shows the rack 80% unused. For that, the cheap brackets are plenty strong. That's my point -- I only ever want to put at-most 10" of material on them -- because I don't want to sort through 20 boards. With that in mind, each bracket only needs to support 50# or so. To load a 100# bracket with 8e# is an accident waiting to happen. 83 # is the number you provided. oak 50#/cuft 50 x 8' x 12" x 10" / 4 supports = 83 # / support 50# would be safer. ... So would 20 be even safer... The 80lb is assuming a very high density for domestic hardwoods and also a 100% loading w/ a 100% packing factor. *It just ain't agonna' happen in reality. Folks getting awfully carried away here--the worst that happens anyway is he spills a few boards on the floor he gets to pick up and put away again. Overhead storage or a structural issue, sure, but to stick a few boards on the wall he'll be fine as long as ensures their mounted securely. --- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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http://www.homeownershub.com/woodwor...ck-523473-.htm compareman1 wrote: Here is the solution for you if you are looking for the cheapest tools on line, here you will get best of the tools at reasonable price that you can easily compare with others http://www.comparethebuildingmaterials.com/ |
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Theodore Edward Stosterone wrote:
Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voila Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I want to barf everytime I see "walla". -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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On 9/9/2011 6:13 AM, dadiOH wrote:
Theodore Edward Stosterone wrote: Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voila Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I want to barf everytime I see "walla". Viola! -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 08:14:32 -0500, Swingman wrote:
On 9/9/2011 6:13 AM, dadiOH wrote: Theodore Edward Stosterone wrote: Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voila Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I want to barf everytime I see "walla". Viola! Closer, Mr. Musician! It's "Voilą!", with Alt+0224 (grave accent) -- The problem with borrowing money from China is that thirty minutes later, you feel broke again. --Steve Bridges as Obama |
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On 9/9/2011 9:07 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 08:14:32 -0500, wrote: On 9/9/2011 6:13 AM, dadiOH wrote: Theodore Edward Stosterone wrote: Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voila Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I want to barf everytime I see "walla". Viola! Closer, Mr. Musician! It's "Voilą!", with Alt+0224 (grave accent) Tsk tsk ... where's your sense of cacography this morning, C-Less? -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 08:14:32 -0500, wrote: On 9/9/2011 6:13 AM, dadiOH wrote: Theodore Edward Stosterone wrote: Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voila Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I want to barf everytime I see "walla". Viola! Closer, Mr. Musician! It's "Voilą!", with Alt+0224 (grave accent) But I like Viola better. And she happens to be American. But she is probably to old for you. -- Gerald Ross It's easy to be brave from a safe distance. |
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 07:13:15 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote: Theodore Edward Stosterone wrote: Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voila Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I want to barf everytime I see "walla". +1. Add "try and", "there's many", "a myriad of" (vs "myriad"), "where you AT", and dozens more. Since I gave up TV, I don't hear all of these nearly as often as I used to. 'Twas a double blessing. I can't bear to listen to broadcast radio or watch broadcast tv any more because of the assinine commercials and bozo speech. No wonder the rest of the world looks down on us, if we allow that crap to fester to such a wide extent. -- The problem with borrowing money from China is that thirty minutes later, you feel broke again. --Steve Bridges as Obama |
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Add "try and", "there's many", "a myriad of" (vs "myriad"), "where you
AT", and dozens more. "Number 1 doctor recommended....." -Zz |
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snip 'Twas a double blessing. I can't bear to listen to broadcast radio or watch broadcast tv any more because of the assinine commercials and bozo speech. No wonder the rest of the world looks down on us, if we allow that crap to fester to such a wide extent. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...0&t=1315583217 |
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:49:33 +0100, "Nick" wrote:
snip 'Twas a double blessing. I can't bear to listen to broadcast radio or watch broadcast tv any more because of the assinine commercials and bozo speech. No wonder the rest of the world looks down on us, if we allow that crap to fester to such a wide extent. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...0&t=1315583217 Bbbut, two esses feeeeeeeeeeeel better. Mizpelung noted, will assimilate. -- The problem with borrowing money from China is that thirty minutes later, you feel broke again. --Steve Bridges as Obama |
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In article , Larry Jaques
wrote: On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 07:13:15 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote: Theodore Edward Stosterone wrote: Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voila Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I want to barf everytime I see "walla". +1. Add "try and", "there's many", "a myriad of" (vs "myriad"), "where you AT", and dozens more. Since I gave up TV, I don't hear all of these nearly as often as I used to. 'Twas a double blessing. I can't bear to listen to broadcast radio or watch broadcast tv any more because of the assinine commercials and bozo speech. No wonder the rest of the world looks down on us, if we allow that crap to fester to such a wide extent. I'm hearing more and more interviewees starting their sentences with "So..." when answering a question. Drives me to distraction, it does! |
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On 9/9/2011 2:21 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
I'm hearing more and more interviewees starting their sentences with "So..." when answering a question. Drives me to distraction, it does! Or the word utilize, you can use the word "use" in every instance that you would use utilize. And functionality.... I don't recall ever hearing that word until recently. |
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On 9/9/2011 6:13 AM, dadiOH wrote:
Theodore Edward Stosterone wrote: Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voila Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I want to barf everytime I see "walla". I think he was referring to a happiness term when complete. When completed he would be as happy as pigs walla'n in mud. |
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dadiOH -- grap a bucket
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kansascats wrote:
dadiOH -- grap a bucket walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla walla You're from Washington? Or, if you prefer, your from Washington? And does grapping a bucket have anything to do with grappling hooks? -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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http://www.lowes.com/pd_10200-46882-...ack&facetInfo=
I'm looking to get a few dozen boards off the ground -- easily sort- able. These brackets are only 10" (12 if you flip them -- or 14" if you buy the 12x14 version) wide. So this is single stack of material. Most of my hardwood is 8" wide. I also need a place to stack 2x material. Again, the individual stacks are only going to be 10-12" high. So figure 8' x 10" wide x 10" high and you get 5.56 cu ft. I'm using 50 lbs per cubic feet which is very much on the high end, oak is more like 40. But at 50, that's 275 total. Now divide by 4 and you get 69# per support. NOW -- that's FULLY loaded, which is VERY UNLIKELY. So worse case I have 69# on a 100# rated shelf, but in more realistic terms, it's going to be 50# or even less. True -- if someone comes in and leans on the shelf, that could spell trouble, but again, that's very unlikely. The point is -- I'm spacing the brackets close together because I don't want to rummage through 20 boards. I only want 10 or so boards on each shelf max. The brackets are painted (powder coated?) material so wood staining should be minimal. I would screw the shelf brackets to a 2x4, and then bolt the 2x4 to the wall studs, but also resting on the floor. Most of the weight will be transferred to the floor. The advantage is that very little space is consumed. 1.5" for 2x4, and the 10, 12, or 14" of the bracket. So it fits snugly against the wall. I have a 24' x 24' shop, and again, don't often store large quantities of lumber. I'd probably have a shelf row for oak, one for maple, maybe one for walnut, and then a couple for the 2x stuff. I'd like to leave 50" clear underneath for 10 sheets of plywood I bought on-sale years ago. Yeah -- I know -- store flat -- but that's not much of an option in a shop my size. Then again, with the money I save on heating and cooling, I can just go buy new flat wood if I really need. |
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"kansascats" wrote in message
The advantage is that very little space is consumed. 1.5" for 2x4, and the 10, 12, or 14" of the bracket. So it fits snugly against the wall. I have a 24' x 24' shop, and again, don't often store large quantities of lumber. I'd probably have a shelf row for oak, one for maple, maybe one for walnut, and then a couple for the 2x stuff. I'd like to leave 50" clear underneath for 10 sheets of plywood I bought on-sale years ago. Yeah -- I know -- store flat -- but that's not much of an option in a shop my size. Then again, with the money I save on heating and cooling, I can just go buy new flat wood if I really need. ================ Those brackets are not worth much. They tend to suddenly let go and bend/collapse with continuous weight on them. They will not hold the weights they state for very long. I have had tools and other heavy items fall right off the shelves using them every 16". Get some 2x4s and cut a horizontal shelf, fasten on top of a vertical wall plate 2x4 and miter a 45 degree rib at turned on it's edge. Good quickie project for your miter saw. Fasten all with some deck screws and place one about every 16" - 2 feet, depending on your lumber stiffness, length and how deep you want the horizontal support and your stud spacing underneath them to support them. Give a quick sand and prime/paint if you want them to look pretty. -- Eric |
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 09:30:46 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 9/9/2011 6:13 AM, dadiOH wrote: Theodore Edward Stosterone wrote: Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voila Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I want to barf everytime I see "walla". I think he was referring to a happiness term when complete. When completed he would be as happy as pigs walla'n in mud. sigh Only from a Texan (or other suthuhnah)... P.S: I thought that was "wallerin'". -- The problem with borrowing money from China is that thirty minutes later, you feel broke again. --Steve Bridges as Obama |
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"dadiOH" wrote in message ... Theodore Edward Stosterone wrote: Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/voila Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I want to barf everytime I see "walla". It's one of the reasons I can't stand the 24 hour (so called) news networks. Art |
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On Thursday, September 8, 2011 4:14:15 PM UTC-7, kansascats wrote:
OK.. been toiling with this for years. The other day, in Lowes, I spot 12" x 14" L-bracket shelf supports rated at 100 lbs. Firstly, to keep boards straight, stickering at about every 18" is recommended: that suggests you'll want to have five+ supports under a stack of (for instance) 8' boards. Secondly, this is steel, right? So if there's any condensation, it makes rust stains or maybe black marks (in oak). Third, it's possibly expensive. It's odd how a wire shelf system has inexpensive shelves, and all the other parts are stratospheric in price, completely dominating the total cost. Last, the L-brackets I'm familiar with need screws to hold 'em up; even if the bracket holds 100#, what is the reliability of a screw or three? I'm in earthquake territory, it'd be a comfort to see lots of wood/wood surface contact, like a mortise or through tenons, holding the load. You can make a pretty good L bracket with 1x2 ribs and a glued-in triangle of plywood for the web. |
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kansascats wrote:
OK.. been toiling with this for years. snip --------------------------------------- Remember KISS? Try it. http://tinyurl.com/3vc6vm2 Lew |
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The (almost) best laid plans: A lumber rack story: During the
remodel of my shop (burned rent house), I dedicated one bedroom for lumber storage. Built racks with 2X4s on edge, with vertical supports about 3' apart. http://www.flickr.com/photos/4383614...in/photostream No doubt the racks would support most of the lumber I have..... including quite a few hurricane-downed trees I had milled. Under the racks, on the floor, I stored small 8" -12" diameter logs (to be used for stair construction, later). With the racks about 2/3 filled, some of the floor joists, of the room, failed. I had to get under the house, jack up the flooring, add pillars and more 4X6 beam support. I, also, scabbed sleepers along the broken joists. It could have been worse. Sonny |
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Yeah, and a login page is not KISS.
On Sep 9, 2:01*am, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: kansascats wrote: OK.. been toiling with this for years. snip --------------------------------------- Remember KISS? Try it. *http://tinyurl.com/3vc6vm2 Lew |
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On 2011-09-09 03:01:50 -0400, "Lew Hodgett" said:
Remember KISS? You mean Fred Herman and Earl Nightingale's "Keep It Simple, Salesman"? More on Nightingale he http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Nightingale More on K.I.S.S. he http://www.nobsbooks.com/pdfs/sales-chapter9.pdf |
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"Steve" wrote:
I wrote: Remember KISS? ------------------------------------- "Steve" wrote: You mean Fred Herman and Earl Nightingale's "Keep It Simple, Salesman"? ----------------------------------------- Actually it was a reference to a PDF file from WoodSmithShop for a well designed lumber storage rack using plywood as the base material that gets mounted on the wall. Lew .. |
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Another option I'm testing --
-- drill a "properly sized hole" about 2.5" deep into a 2x (angle the holes just a bit) -- screw those to the wall studs (24" oc) -- put 1/2" blackpipe (or 3/4" EMT) that fit snugly into those holes Earlier someone had a photo of this idea. That was my original plan, 3/4" EMT that is 2.5" deep in the wood and extending 12" out of the wood, seems to be able to support over 100# The challenge is drilling the right size hole. Plan to get some spade bits and grind them to the right size (OD of pipe/EMT) The risk is the pipe pulls out of the hole when moving lumber around. I don't want the brackets themselves to take-up a lot of space. 1/2" black pipe, or 3/4" EMT is ideal. The idea is not to be able to store 100s of board feet of material, but to get the bit I have off the floor and easily viewable and sortable. |
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 16:14:15 -0700 (PDT), kansascats
wrote: OK.. been toiling with this for years. What am I missing? I bet the weak link is the wall anchorage. Screws pulling out, screws missing studs, that kinna' stuff. Jes' sayin'.... -Zz |
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Agree. Plan is to attach the brackets to a 2x4; sit the 2x4 on the
floor; and then screw the 2x4 to the wall stud every 12" or so. Maybe a lag screw instead, but again, 5 shelves @100# max, with most of that being transferred to the floor, does not leave a lot of force perpendicular to the wall. I plan to do some "hanging around" as a test. Keeping that load tight against the supporting 2x4 is an important part of this. That's why I'm only using 14" brackets, and likely only to use the first 8-10" of that. I want to be able to place 3 2x4's on a rack, so that's 10.5", so really a 12" bracket would be fine. I'll look into this. Also, if I'm going to give myself 4' of clearance underneath, then either there will be only 4 brackets or the spacing between each will be more like 9.5". On Sep 9, 7:49*pm, Zz Yzx wrote: On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 16:14:15 -0700 (PDT), kansascats wrote: OK.. been toiling with this for years. What am I missing? I bet the weak link is the wall anchorage. *Screws pulling out, screws missing studs, that kinna' stuff. Jes' sayin'.... -Zz |
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Who do you think you are kidding?
The first time you need to put another board on the rack you will use the end of the brackets, only for a day or so, until... Next thing you will wake to a huge crash in the middle of the night and all your nice hardwood will have slid off onto the floor and smashing your mitre saw as it fell to the floor. The joints in these brackets are stamped out metal. Without an angle support for triangulation strength these things are dangerous with weight on them. I wouldn't use them for any weight bearing stuff. Use a wood do-it-yourself method as suggested by a few. Forget the wood to the floor at the wall surface. It doesn't perform any function in the leverage formula. Your wall studs are strong enough with some decent screws. ------------ "kansascats" wrote in message ... Agree. Plan is to attach the brackets to a 2x4; sit the 2x4 on the floor; and then screw the 2x4 to the wall stud every 12" or so. Maybe a lag screw instead, but again, 5 shelves @100# max, with most of that being transferred to the floor, does not leave a lot of force perpendicular to the wall. I plan to do some "hanging around" as a test. Keeping that load tight against the supporting 2x4 is an important part of this. That's why I'm only using 14" brackets, and likely only to use the first 8-10" of that. I want to be able to place 3 2x4's on a rack, so that's 10.5", so really a 12" bracket would be fine. I'll look into this. Also, if I'm going to give myself 4' of clearance underneath, then either there will be only 4 brackets or the spacing between each will be more like 9.5". On Sep 9, 7:49 pm, Zz Yzx wrote: On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 16:14:15 -0700 (PDT), kansascats wrote: OK.. been toiling with this for years. What am I missing? I bet the weak link is the wall anchorage. Screws pulling out, screws missing studs, that kinna' stuff. Jes' sayin'.... -Zz |
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On 9/8/2011 7:14 PM, kansascats wrote:
OK.. been toiling with this for years. The other day, in Lowes, I spot 12" x 14" L-bracket shelf supports rated at 100 lbs. So I figure 4 of those mounted to a 2x4, mounted to my shop wall studs and spaced 12" vertically apart or so and that should be adequate. I ran some calcs based on wood density and a stack of 12" oak that is 10" wide would average out to less than 100# per support. oak 50#/cuft 50 x 8' x 12" x 10" / 4 supports = 83 # / support What am I missing? Mount several sets of 4 in-a-row and walla -- instanct lumber rack for $2 a support ($8 per row) My first shop had exposed rafters and I made this lumber rack out of 1x6's and 2x4's, which worked well. http://jbstein.com/Flick/WoodStorage.jpg My current shop has a finished ceiling, so I built this one, which works also but I had a bunch of free pipe laying around: http://jbstein.com/Flick/PipeWoodRack.jpg This style, which you are contemplating, works well because you can use the space underneath for tools and stuff. A year or 2 ago, I built this one: http://jbstein.com/Flick/LumberCart.jpg http://jbstein.com/Flick/LumberCart2.jpg This last one is great. It holds more wood than you can imagine in very little space. I have it right next to my table saw at 90° so the wood is all highly visible, highly accessible. It has tons of storage for all the short stuff that's a PIA to store on wall racks, and all the long boards, and all your plywood, in one compact space saving place:-) It's not hard to make, and really doesn't cost much although it should have steel wheels on it. It's a bear to move fully loaded. This thing has plans all over the internet if you need them. I used wafer board for the walls, much cheaper and works fine. I don't even use the old rack any more. When I built it I thought it would take up a lot of space, but surprisingly, it doesn't. -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
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Jack Stein,
Those are almost exactly what I've been prototyping. I built this cart: http://www.scrgeek.com/woodwork/storageSheets.html I beefed it up some -- used EMT instead of PVC, added some lateral support, etc. It holds a ton of material, but at that capacity it's not "mobile". The multipurpose cart you made is probably more practical. I have 10 sheets of birch/maple ply that I need to store. I just need to realize that it has to lean up against a wall. On your pipe rack -- did you face-glue two 2x4s? How did you drill the proper size hole? Did you secure the pipe into the hole? |
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On 9/20/2011 1:33 PM, kansascats wrote:
Jack Stein, Those are almost exactly what I've been prototyping. I built this cart: http://www.scrgeek.com/woodwork/storageSheets.html I beefed it up some -- used EMT instead of PVC, added some lateral support, etc. It holds a ton of material, but at that capacity it's not "mobile". The multipurpose cart you made is probably more practical. Yes, the one I build is really great. I show two wheels on each end, but I put one wheel on each end and two in the middle, like the wood carts at home depot. It really needs steel wheels though, too much weight for what I have on it. On your pipe rack -- did you face-glue two 2x4s? How did you drill the proper size hole? Did you secure the pipe into the hole? Sorry, just read you post. I made this 20 years ago, and I think I glued them together, but that's not necessary. The picture doesn't show all the screws, but there are more than 2 screws holding them to the wall. I have them hanging on a cement block wall. As far as the proper sized hole... Drill holes in some scrap until you get the right size. Get the pipe first:-) The holes are 3" deep, through both 2x4's. Angle them up slightly. The thing is solid as can be, I've had it filled to the brim, no problem. -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
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