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I've got some special wood (that came from an old tree near our house), and
would like to add an inscription on it. With a regular ink pen or a sharpie, the ink will run. Any suggestions for something to add an inscription and still use shellac? Puckdropper |
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On Apr 28, 1:40*pm, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
I've got some special wood (that came from an old tree near our house), and would like to add an inscription on it. *With a regular ink pen or a sharpie, the ink will run. *Any suggestions for something to add an inscription and still use shellac? Puckdropper Oddly, I've done just this last week - would have provided photo's but the item has gone now. I used a Bic Biro pen (but I suppose any ball-point will do), scrawled what I had to on it, let it dry properly (doesn't take long), then *dabbed* a layer of shellac over the inked parts, and dabbed further out, letting the shellac fade - feathering? Not putting more shellac on the pad, just letting it run out, if you like. When this had dried out, I applied the shellac as normal. It seemed to work OK for me. No doubt someone with more experience (this is the only time I've done this) will be along soon. Obviously it'll pay you to experiment with an off-cut first! Cheers & good luck. |
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David Paste wrote:
On Apr 28, 1:40*pm, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: I've got some special wood (that came from an old tree near our house), and would like to add an inscription on it. *With a regular ink pen or a sharpie, the ink will run. *Any suggestions for something to add an inscription and still use shellac? Puckdropper Oddly, I've done just this last week - would have provided photo's but the item has gone now. I used a Bic Biro pen (but I suppose any ball-point will do), scrawled what I had to on it, let it dry properly (doesn't take long), then dabbed a layer of shellac over the inked parts, and dabbed further out, letting the shellac fade - feathering? Not putting more shellac on the pad, just letting it run out, if you like. When this had dried out, I applied the shellac as normal. It seemed to work OK for me. No doubt someone with more experience (this is the only time I've done this) will be along soon. Obviously it'll pay you to experiment with an off-cut first! Cheers & good luck. Use an engraving tool fill script black or very dark polish , flat back till flush then over polish with your shellac Use a fountain pen with walnut stain is another technique i have seen used If your going down the ink path use black indian ink and do a test patch first on a bit of scrap |
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In article om,
Puckdropper says... I've got some special wood (that came from an old tree near our house), and would like to add an inscription on it. With a regular ink pen or a sharpie, the ink will run. Any suggestions for something to add an inscription and still use shellac? Look for a paint marker. They come in a variety of colors, widths, and tip shapes, in oil, water color, acrylic, and probably other chemistries. An office supply place (Staples, etc) will generally have white, and maybe silver or gold. A craft store (Michaels, Jo-Ann, etc) will generally have more colors and one or two brands. If you've got a Dick Blick near you http://www.dickblick.com they'll have a wide range of options. Another option would be to use an artists' brush and whatever paint you like. A third option would be to get some inkjet decal paper and make a decal. Whatever you go with, test on a scrap before you commit your good wood. |
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Would spray shellac or lacquer do the trick ?
I would think laying down a spray would not smudge any of the writing. On 4/28/2011 10:29 AM, steve robinson wrote: David Paste wrote: On Apr 28, 1:40 pm, Puckdropperpuckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: I've got some special wood (that came from an old tree near our house), and would like to add an inscription on it. With a regular ink pen or a sharpie, the ink will run. Any suggestions for something to add an inscription and still use shellac? |
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"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in message eb.com... I've got some special wood (that came from an old tree near our house), and would like to add an inscription on it. With a regular ink pen or a sharpie, the ink will run. Any suggestions for something to add an inscription and still use shellac? Puckdropper PD: I've done calligraphy on paper and engraved in rock. My count of trials with wood is one. It worked fine but I didn't use ink out of durability concerns in the location. You haven't said what kind of letter forms will be involved in your inscription. That would specify qualifications. If you have a wood surface that won't have bleeding considerations from the grain and want block letter forms, look at the metal nib pens with permanent ink. Just don't make the mistake of pressing harder than you have to. Covering text rendered with them and said ink should be easy. Otherwise, if sun exposure isn't a threat and your wood is softer, try the fiber (marker) calligraphy pens. Once dried, shellac sealing ought to work, though since ink compositions vary by manufacturer, trial is sensible. The paint pens I've tried didn't boast crisp line definition. Maybe better models deny that. If you find them, an announcement would be welcome. A professional effort wouldn't be exorbitant. Call your local art-supply store or art support group/association and eventually you'll have names. Regards, Edward Hennessey |
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Duh... winning!
Yeah, paint marker pens. They used to be very popular for junk yard car parts. Once they dry they are bullet proof. I have always used the silver as it shows up well on everything. Yes, they have them at Michael's Craft stores. Technique: Buy, kind of pump the tip to get paint flowing. Use like a pen. Put cap on pen. Wait 6 months to use again. realize the pen has dried out. Buy a new one and repeat. On Apr 28, 7:42*am, "J. Clarke" wrote: In article om, Puckdropper says... I've got some special wood (that came from an old tree near our house), and would like to add an inscription on it. *With a regular ink pen or a sharpie, the ink will run. *Any suggestions for something to add an inscription and still use shellac? Look for a paint marker. *They come in a variety of colors, widths, and tip shapes, in oil, water color, acrylic, and probably other chemistries. |
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"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message ... Duh... winning! Yeah, paint marker pens. They used to be very popular for junk yard car parts. Once they dry they are bullet proof. I have always used the silver as it shows up well on everything. Yes, they have them at Michael's Craft stores. Technique: Buy, kind of pump the tip to get paint flowing. Use like a pen. Put cap on pen. Wait 6 months to use again. realize the pen has dried out. Buy a new one and repeat. SP: On tips that pull out of the body, I thoroughly purify them with paint thinner after use, put a piece of thin and strong plastic sheet into the hole ,put the tip back and put another piece of the sheet under the cap, storing the pen up in a sealed plastic bag. The procedure can be modified for a fixed tip. But I agree, they can be as cussed as you say. The fancy rim joints can now fill tires with Nitrogen. A small tire can hold a lot of the stuff that can be tapped for filling bags, paint can spaces and other things that survive much longer without oxygen doing its work. From one vantage point, an important concern for the inscription sealant would be UV protection. Sign painters and pin stripers use what works. I'd follow their lead unless working with what is handy is fine. Regards, Edward Hennessey On Apr 28, 7:42 am, "J. Clarke" wrote: In article om, Puckdropper says... I've got some special wood (that came from an old tree near our house), and would like to add an inscription on it. With a regular ink pen or a sharpie, the ink will run. Any suggestions for something to add an inscription and still use shellac? Look for a paint marker. They come in a variety of colors, widths, and tip shapes, in oil, water color, acrylic, and probably other chemistries. |
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In article om,
Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: I've got some special wood (that came from an old tree near our house), and would like to add an inscription on it. With a regular ink pen or a sharpie, the ink will run. Any suggestions for something to add an inscription and still use shellac? Puckdropper It's easy to burn it in and there are cheap wood burning kits from HF among other places, some just a few dollars. If you have a soldering iron you can use that. Do a little practicing on scrap first. -- The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. (Winston Churchill) Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org |
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David Paste wrote in
: Oddly, I've done just this last week - would have provided photo's but the item has gone now. I used a Bic Biro pen (but I suppose any ball-point will do), scrawled what I had to on it, let it dry properly (doesn't take long), then *dabbed* a layer of shellac over the inked parts, and dabbed further out, letting the shellac fade - feathering? Not putting more shellac on the pad, just letting it run out, if you like. When this had dried out, I applied the shellac as normal. It seemed to work OK for me. No doubt someone with more experience (this is the only time I've done this) will be along soon. Obviously it'll pay you to experiment with an off-cut first! Cheers & good luck. I'll have to try that. One sample last night didn't appear to run, just lost a little color. Thanks! Puckdropper |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in
in.local: Look for a paint marker. They come in a variety of colors, widths, and tip shapes, in oil, water color, acrylic, and probably other chemistries. *snip* If the paint marker is fine enough, it'll probably work well. I don't have a lot of room to write (about half a business card lenghtwise), so need something that'll give me a crisp line. What about gel pens? Puckdropper |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:26:15 +0000, Puckdropper wrote:
If the paint marker is fine enough, it'll probably work well. I don't have a lot of room to write (about half a business card lenghtwise), so need something that'll give me a crisp line. What about gel pens? One thing I didn't see mentioned was the "archival" pens. I've used them but only on top of a finish, not under it. -- Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw |
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What I've done is to print whatever it is, on paper with a laser
printer, then cut out and "glue" the paper down with the finish. The paper usually becomes transparent when soaked in the solvent, but you might need to play with some scrap wood and different papers in case it shows through. Laser printing is a must as the solvents in most finished will cause ink jet printing to bleed. Yet another way is to use the special transfer paper made for making printed circuits. You print on the paper with a laser printer or copier, then use an iron to transfer the image. On Apr 28, 7:40*am, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: I've got some special wood (that came from an old tree near our house), and would like to add an inscription on it. *With a regular ink pen or a sharpie, the ink will run. *Any suggestions for something to add an inscription and still use shellac? Puckdropper |
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David Paste wrote in
: Oddly, I've done just this last week - would have provided photo's but the item has gone now. I used a Bic Biro pen (but I suppose any ball-point will do), scrawled what I had to on it, let it dry properly (doesn't take long), then *dabbed* a layer of shellac over the inked parts, and dabbed further out, letting the shellac fade - feathering? Not putting more shellac on the pad, just letting it run out, if you like. When this had dried out, I applied the shellac as normal. It seemed to work OK for me. No doubt someone with more experience (this is the only time I've done this) will be along soon. Obviously it'll pay you to experiment with an off-cut first! Cheers & good luck. The padding method didn't smudge the ink too badly, but it's still not what I was looking for. Maybe with several tries, I could get something acceptable (I just used a regular ball-point.) Maybe a light spray of shellac would work better. Puckdropper |
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Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in
eb.com: If the paint marker is fine enough, it'll probably work well. I don't have a lot of room to write (about half a business card lenghtwise), so need something that'll give me a crisp line. What about gel pens? Puckdropper The gel pen didn't work. Maybe it needed much longer to dry (they're usually smudge free within minutes), but the alcohol took it right off. I'll keep going down the list. I'll look at paint markers when the stores open in the morning. Puckdropper |
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: What I've done is to print whatever it is, on paper with a laser printer, then cut out and "glue" the paper down with the finish. The paper usually becomes transparent when soaked in the solvent, but you might need to play with some scrap wood and different papers in case it shows through. Laser printing is a must as the solvents in most finished will cause ink jet printing to bleed. Yet another way is to use the special transfer paper made for making printed circuits. You print on the paper with a laser printer or copier, then use an iron to transfer the image. I've heard about a very similar method using regular paper and a laser printer to make printed circuit board traces. The pattern is printed backwards and then ironed on before etching. (They might have even used glossy photo paper.) That gives me an idea. Rather than write on the wood, write on a business card and use the shellac to adhere the card to the work. Sanding/routing a little recess for the card wouldn't take long, and should be completly legible. Quickly Robin, to the bat cave! Puckdropper |
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On 30 Apr 2011 09:05:31 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in web.com: If the paint marker is fine enough, it'll probably work well. I don't have a lot of room to write (about half a business card lenghtwise), so need something that'll give me a crisp line. What about gel pens? Puckdropper The gel pen didn't work. Maybe it needed much longer to dry (they're usually smudge free within minutes), but the alcohol took it right off. I'll keep going down the list. I'll look at paint markers when the stores open in the morning. 2 more thoughts: have a branding iron made (depending on how many of these you're doing), or borrow a pyrographic pen set from a buddy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrography The pens and tips are much smaller than soldering irons allowing for deft and dainty moves. -- Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive... then go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive. -- Howard Thurman |
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"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in message eb.com... lektric dan wrote in : What I've done is to print whatever it is, on paper with a laser printer, then cut out and "glue" the paper down with the finish. The paper usually becomes transparent when soaked in the solvent, but you might need to play with some scrap wood and different papers in case it shows through. Laser printing is a must as the solvents in most finished will cause ink jet printing to bleed. Yet another way is to use the special transfer paper made for making printed circuits. You print on the paper with a laser printer or copier, then use an iron to transfer the image. I've heard about a very similar method using regular paper and a laser printer to make printed circuit board traces. The pattern is printed backwards and then ironed on before etching. (They might have even used glossy photo paper.) That gives me an idea. Rather than write on the wood, write on a business card and use the shellac to adhere the card to the work. Sanding/routing a little recess for the card wouldn't take long, and should be completly legible. Quickly Robin, to the bat cave! Puckdropper PD: If we're going that way, try a label maker. If you don't cotton to all the extra tape background, Xacto. Also, maybe you just want the letter forms without the label. Put the lettered label on. Take a pin. Punch through the letters carefully. Go for the stippled effect with paint after wiping or use the holes as a carving guide. Stencil cutting or stencil-cutting machines add another option to the field. By cutting a machine stencil of your expression and adding light spray paint coats, you can have a sterling result if you assure a crisp contact of stencil and wood. Artists normally seal calligraphy with a fixative spray in gloss or matte finish. It is designed to prevent pigment and dye deckling. Whether it works on all media--or under shellac--will be a matter of trial. Personally, I'd be a big fan of paint in this application. Regards, Edward Hennessey |
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On Apr 30, 10:02*am, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
The padding method didn't smudge the ink too badly, but it's still not what I was looking for. *Maybe with several tries, I could get something acceptable (I just used a regular ball-point.) Maybe a light spray of shellac would work better. Puckdropper Could be. What would you use to spray it with? I've never really sprayed anything before (other than scratches on a car with a rattle can!) I suppose one of those little airbrush kits from an art shop won't be too much. I'd love to see how this turns out - might have to try it for myself in the week. |
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On Apr 28, 8:40*am, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
I've got some special wood (that came from an old tree near our house), and would like to add an inscription on it. *With a regular ink pen or a sharpie, the ink will run. *Any suggestions for something to add an inscription and still use shellac? Puckdropper Paint and a fine model brush. Luthiers using shellac have a similar problem. Alcohol makes dark oily woods such as rosewood bleed, which can spoil a nice purfling job. Trick is seal the wood with a couple of spit coats of 1 lb wiped on with a rag, being sure not to go back over any areas unless they're dry, and to change the rag the second it shows a hint of stain. Goes a lot faster than it sounds. |
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On Apr 30, 5:10*am, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:
lektric dan wrote : What I've done is to print whatever it is, on paper with a laser printer, then cut out and "glue" the paper down with the finish. *The paper usually becomes transparent when soaked in the solvent, but you might need to play with some scrap wood and different papers in case it shows through. *Laser printing is a must as the solvents in most finished will cause ink jet printing to bleed. *Yet another way is to use the special transfer paper made for making printed circuits. *You print on the paper with a laser printer or copier, then use an iron to transfer the image. I've heard about a very similar method using regular paper and a laser printer to make printed circuit board traces. *The pattern is printed backwards and then ironed on before etching. *(They might have even used glossy photo paper.) You can also transfer the image by wiping the back of the copy with an acetone-soaked rag. |
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