It has been almost 2 freaking weeks since I ordered the infomercial videos
for the Bandsaws at MM and Laguna.

Have I recevived them yet? Nooooooooo.

Do their salesman call? yes.........

Well, if they are so eager to get my $2,000+ put the freaking info on your
web site.... They have Jack Poop out there for info on their saws.

Their discussion forums do help but you have to take the the info with a
grain of Salt.


Thanks

I feel better now.

Back to waiting for mail man.

Rich

PS.. The salesman for MM did send me some pics via email.

Umm get a grip..

I would if I could



"Leon" wrote in message
m...
Umm get a grip..

"RKON" wrote in message
news:c3Roc.34816$iy5.24496@okepread05...
It has been almost 2 freaking weeks since I ordered the infomercial videos
for the Bandsaws at MM and Laguna.

Have I recevived them yet? Nooooooooo.

Do their salesman call? yes.........

Well, if they are so eager to get my $2,000+ put the freaking info on your
web site.... They have Jack Poop out there for info on their saws.

Their discussion forums do help but you have to take the the info with a
grain of Salt.

They were probably sent using Media rate, in which case they are the lowest
form of postal matter. You're at the mercy of the USPS, and God help you.

Bob

Rich:

I've got the LT16SEC, have had it for a few years and have
used it for everthing from slicing up mini-logs& resawing
to cutting dovetails - at least the tails. Do you have
specific questions or want a specs sheet and/or video,
the latter to inspire its use once you get whichever
bandsaw you end up buying?

At Mini-Max, try and reach Jim Strain - he'll get you
what you are looking for - AND definitely try to get
you to commit to purchasing a Mini-Max, especially
if you mention that you're looking at the LTs as well
(he and several others at MiniMax use to be at LT).
Both MM and LT have pretty good mark ups on their
BS so a) don't bite when they tell you "The price is
going up next month but if you act now ...." and b)
negotiate - free blades, mobility kit, shipping,
guides upgrade .... AND make sure that they check
the table for flatness BEFORE they ship you a unit
whose table is saggy and/or twisted - that MM AND
LT - I've heard from new owners of both.

And don't think you have to have a 1 inch or 1 1/2"
blade to cut up minilogs or to do resawing. A half
inch 3 teeth per inch hooked blade - WoodSlicer
or TimberWolf, will do both quite nicely - with
a lot less bogging down and heat.

Here's info on my LT16SEC

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/BandSaw.html
And here's the info on making your own larger table and
resaw fence
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Resawing1.html

This should give you enough info to make your new
table and resaw fence

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/...leDetails.html

If I can be of further help please feel free to ask away.

charlie belden
san jose, ca

Thanks Charlie, I actually have read many of your posts from the past on
this subject and I really got some good info. I do have a question that I
was going to ping you on at one point. Since you asked.

The LT16SEC which you purchased from Laguna was manufactured by Meber. The
Sales Rep from MM was proud to point out that the S16
(http://www.minimax-usa.com/specials.html)is the same saw manufactured by
Meber with a better finish on the table and cast iron trunions. Does it
have a rack and pinion blade guide? if so, where is it in relation to the
roller guides?

One other thing I saw in your posts was that you wish the table had tilted
more for cutting dovetails. Do you cut your dove tails with your bandsaw?

Laguna has some nice specials this month and MM is going to have to do
better. The MM16 is $2500 with shipping and mobility and the LT16HD is $2295
including shipping, mobility, and 3 blades. Just for kicks I contacted a
local dealer who carries Agazzani's and has a 20" for $2995. LOL...

I remember reading a post from someone saying that you would drive yourself
nuts trying to figure out what tools to buy. Well, I am half way to the
insane asylum.


From a Jan 22, 2004 Post to rec.woodworking

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...om.com&rnum=19

Steve M wrote: 3. Of what benefit is a rack and pinion blade guide?

Charlie B wrote: " A GOOD rack and pinion "blade guide" means not having to
tweek your
blade guides every time you raise or lower the blade guide + guard.
If it doesn't move up and down while remaining square to the table
you start cutting trapezoids and not rectangles. Tapered veneer is
not good."





"charlie b" wrote in message
...
Rich:

I've got the LT16SEC, have had it for a few years and have
used it for everthing from slicing up mini-logs& resawing
to cutting dovetails - at least the tails. Do you have
specific questions or want a specs sheet and/or video,
the latter to inspire its use once you get whichever
bandsaw you end up buying?

At Mini-Max, try and reach Jim Strain - he'll get you
what you are looking for - AND definitely try to get
you to commit to purchasing a Mini-Max, especially
if you mention that you're looking at the LTs as well
(he and several others at MiniMax use to be at LT).
Both MM and LT have pretty good mark ups on their
BS so a) don't bite when they tell you "The price is
going up next month but if you act now ...." and b)
negotiate - free blades, mobility kit, shipping,
guides upgrade .... AND make sure that they check
the table for flatness BEFORE they ship you a unit
whose table is saggy and/or twisted - that MM AND
LT - I've heard from new owners of both.

And don't think you have to have a 1 inch or 1 1/2"
blade to cut up minilogs or to do resawing. A half
inch 3 teeth per inch hooked blade - WoodSlicer
or TimberWolf, will do both quite nicely - with
a lot less bogging down and heat.

Here's info on my LT16SEC

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/BandSaw.html
And here's the info on making your own larger table and
resaw fence
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Resawing1.html

This should give you enough info to make your new
table and resaw fence

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/...leDetails.html

If I can be of further help please feel free to ask away.

charlie belden
san jose, ca

"Bob Schmall" wrote in
:


"RKON" wrote in message
news:c3Roc.34816$iy5.24496@okepread05...
It has been almost 2 freaking weeks since I ordered the infomercial
videos for the Bandsaws at MM and Laguna.

Have I recevived them yet? Nooooooooo.

Do their salesman call? yes.........

Well, if they are so eager to get my $2,000+ put the freaking info on
your web site.... They have Jack Poop out there for info on their
saws.

Their discussion forums do help but you have to take the the info
with a grain of Salt.

They were probably sent using Media rate, in which case they are the
lowest form of postal matter. You're at the mercy of the USPS, and God
help you.

Bob

See, that's the beauty of this WWW thingy Al Gore invented. Unless you're
still stuck in the dark ages of dial-up, due to some geographic
disadvantage, or just haven't got the crowbar out, the video, and pretty
much anything you can put on paper doesn't have to be turned over to the
USPS. And the postage is pretty cheap, too.

And when the feature set changes, like it seems to do often with Euro
tools, you're not stuck with a bunch of obsolete, expensive video tapes &
paper brochures.

All this, and opportunities to make millions helping Nigerians, too.

Patriarch

RKON wrote:

Thanks Charlie, I actually have read many of your posts from the past on
this subject and I really got some good info. I do have a question that I
was going to ping you on at one point. Since you asked.

The LT16SEC which you purchased from Laguna was manufactured by Meber. The
Sales Rep from MM was proud to point out that the S16
(http://www.minimax-usa.com/specials.html)is the same saw manufactured by
Meber with a better finish on the table and cast iron trunions. Does it
have a rack and pinion blade guide? if so, where is it in relation to the
roller guides?

The second image on the following page shows the rack and pinion set
up on
the blade guard and the images below it show the original euro guides
and
LTs new ceramic guides as well as the heavy gauge stamped steel
trunion.


http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/BandSaw.html

Note that the new ceramic guides required hacksawing off some of the
blade guard

One other thing I saw in your posts was that you wish the table had tilted
more for cutting dovetails. Do you cut your dove tails with your bandsaw?

Only the tails on big stuff - like the apron dovetails on Das Bench.
The pins require cutting at 8 to10 degrees off the face of the stock
-
in both the plus and minus direction. I made a ply 10 degree slant
stock holder to cut negative angle - BUT - control of a give foot
2x6 - at an angle was the real problem.

Laguna has some nice specials this month and MM is going to have to do
better. The MM16 is $2500 with shipping and mobility and the LT16HD is $2295
including shipping, mobility, and 3 blades. Just for kicks I contacted a
local dealer who carries Agazzani's and has a 20" for $2995. LOL...

The MM S16 for $1400 looks an awful lot like the LT16SEC I've got.
A 2.5 HP TEFC motor should be more than enough power and
12" resaw capacity is plenty - unless you're looking for something
with a sawing capacity just a little less than a Wood Mizer.

A mobility kit is really handy - a must have really, unless you
have a really large shop space.

I guess I got a good deal on the LT16SEC - $1100 total, delivered
to my shop floor. (gloat?)

I remember reading a post from someone saying that you would drive yourself
nuts trying to figure out what tools to buy. Well, I am half way to the
insane asylum.

I guess getting the Robland X31 combination machine explains the
little sanity I've retained - one decision, five functions
- 10 inch table saw with sliding table, 3 hp TEFC german motor
- 3/4 and 1 1/4 inch bore shaper with 3 hp TEFC german motor
- 12" planer/12" jointer/horizontal boring/mortiser
- XYZ table

The sooner you decide the sooner you can make sawdust - THE objective
to keep firmly in mind.

charlie b

"Bob Schmall" wrote in message
...

They were probably sent using Media rate, in which case they are the
lowest
form of postal matter. You're at the mercy of the USPS, and God help you.

Bob


God help you is an understatement if it was sent media mail. I once bought
a manual on eBay, paid for priority mail and the seller pocketed the
difference and sent it media mail...it took EIGHT WEEKS from the postmark
date to get to me.

Charlie:

I compared your pictures to the pictures that MM sent me on the S16. Almost
identical. The S16 that MM sells does not have a mobility option. It looks
like a different motor. I can send you the pictures if you want to see them.

On your site you state "Here's another "not what I expected on a bandsaw in
this price range" regarding the pack and pinion. Has the nylon held up well?


Thanks
Rich

You absolutely wont go wrong with the Agazzani.
The wheels are machined round. The blades run
very straight with no vibration.


"RKON" wrote in message
news:SsUoc.35591$iy5.12746@okepread05...
Thanks Charlie, I actually have read many of your posts from the past on
this subject and I really got some good info. I do have a question that I
was going to ping you on at one point. Since you asked.

The LT16SEC which you purchased from Laguna was manufactured by Meber. The
Sales Rep from MM was proud to point out that the S16
(http://www.minimax-usa.com/specials.html)is the same saw manufactured by
Meber with a better finish on the table and cast iron trunions. Does it
have a rack and pinion blade guide? if so, where is it in relation to the
roller guides?

One other thing I saw in your posts was that you wish the table had tilted
more for cutting dovetails. Do you cut your dove tails with your bandsaw?

Laguna has some nice specials this month and MM is going to have to do
better. The MM16 is $2500 with shipping and mobility and the LT16HD is
$2295
including shipping, mobility, and 3 blades. Just for kicks I contacted a
local dealer who carries Agazzani's and has a 20" for $2995. LOL...

I remember reading a post from someone saying that you would drive
yourself
nuts trying to figure out what tools to buy. Well, I am half way to the
insane asylum.


From a Jan 22, 2004 Post to rec.woodworking


http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...om.com&rnum=19

Steve M wrote: 3. Of what benefit is a rack and pinion blade guide?

Charlie B wrote: " A GOOD rack and pinion "blade guide" means not having
to
tweek your
blade guides every time you raise or lower the blade guide + guard.
If it doesn't move up and down while remaining square to the table
you start cutting trapezoids and not rectangles. Tapered veneer is
not good."





"charlie b" wrote in message
...
Rich:

I've got the LT16SEC, have had it for a few years and have
used it for everthing from slicing up mini-logs& resawing
to cutting dovetails - at least the tails. Do you have
specific questions or want a specs sheet and/or video,
the latter to inspire its use once you get whichever
bandsaw you end up buying?

At Mini-Max, try and reach Jim Strain - he'll get you
what you are looking for - AND definitely try to get
you to commit to purchasing a Mini-Max, especially
if you mention that you're looking at the LTs as well
(he and several others at MiniMax use to be at LT).
Both MM and LT have pretty good mark ups on their
BS so a) don't bite when they tell you "The price is
going up next month but if you act now ...." and b)
negotiate - free blades, mobility kit, shipping,
guides upgrade .... AND make sure that they check
the table for flatness BEFORE they ship you a unit
whose table is saggy and/or twisted - that MM AND
LT - I've heard from new owners of both.

And don't think you have to have a 1 inch or 1 1/2"
blade to cut up minilogs or to do resawing. A half
inch 3 teeth per inch hooked blade - WoodSlicer
or TimberWolf, will do both quite nicely - with
a lot less bogging down and heat.

Here's info on my LT16SEC

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/BandSaw.html
And here's the info on making your own larger table and
resaw fence
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Resawing1.html

This should give you enough info to make your new
table and resaw fence

http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/...leDetails.html

If I can be of further help please feel free to ask away.

charlie belden
san jose, ca

On Thu, 13 May 2004 22:00:55 -0400, "George"
brought forth from the murky depths:

"Bob Schmall" wrote in message
...

They were probably sent using Media rate, in which case they are the
lowest
form of postal matter. You're at the mercy of the USPS, and God help you.

God help you is an understatement if it was sent media mail. I once bought
a manual on eBay, paid for priority mail and the seller pocketed the
difference and sent it media mail...it took EIGHT WEEKS from the postmark
date to get to me.

I've been lucky. Most things I've ordered have taken between 8 and
14 days, including vendor dawdle time. The quickest time was a mere
3 days from Southern California, an 8-lb, 3,280 page McMaster Carr
catalog for $3.02. Suchadeal!

The longest: standard mail to India. 14 weeks and counting. I think
someone pocketed the package about 8 weeks ago.


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RKON wrote:

Charlie:

I compared your pictures to the pictures that MM sent me on the S16. Almost
identical. The S16 that MM sells does not have a mobility option. It looks
like a different motor. I can send you the pictures if you want to see them.

The manufacturer's plate on my LT16SEC is Meber S.p.A., Capri, Italy
1.85 Kilowatts, 12.5 amps 220 volts 60 cycle 50 microfarad capacitor.

The LT mobility kit - two 4" diameter nylon wheels attached to the
inside of the back of the unit's base, a "tongue" with a hole in it
welded
onto the front of the base and a wheel on a metal handled with a
finger
to fit into the hole in the tongue - simple and works. I can move my
300+ pound LT16SEC without much effort at all. Pull it out to use,
push it back when done.

On your site you state "Here's another "not what I expected on a bandsaw in
this price range" regarding the pack and pinion. Has the nylon held up well?


They've worked fine. If you get a lot of sawdust in a rack and
pinion
set up, whether it's metal or nylon, it'll get tight and hard to
move.

I've got two "euro" machines - the LT16SEC and the Robland X31.
The europeans seem to put their effort into the critical functions
of their machines and don't waste much time and therefore costs
to the consumer on "pretty". Heavy gauge stamped steel trunion
works fine. Table surfaces with a mirror finish look nice but
don't add much to the function. Rather than a very smooth ground
edge on a cast iron table they'll semi-coarse grind a chamfer to
knock off the sharp edge. If a bolt with two nuts will do the job
why make a special part with a chromed handle when you can
put that money into dynamically balanced wheels instead?


charlie b