HD in Canada has a deal on with a new product they just got in.
It swings from +/-55 degree each side. Some digital gauge built into
it...didn't see it function
Soft start 3200 RPM
Easy to adjust compound mitre angles both ways.
Cuts 2x14 at right angles.


Right now they are offerring their free stand with every purchase (while
quantities last) and the stand looks pretty awesome with it's pull out
rollers, clamps and lot of other toys.


Since I am in the market (put the $80 new blade back for my old 10" junker).


Comments on this unit would be appreciated.

Thanx.

"Josepi" wrote in message
...
HD in Canada has a deal on with a new product they just got in.
It swings from +/-55 degree each side. Some digital gauge built into
it...didn't see it function
Soft start 3200 RPM
Easy to adjust compound mitre angles both ways.
Cuts 2x14 at right angles.


Right now they are offerring their free stand with every purchase (while
quantities last) and the stand looks pretty awesome with it's pull out
rollers, clamps and lot of other toys.


Since I am in the market (put the $80 new blade back for my old 10"
junker).


Comments on this unit would be appreciated.

Thanx.


Might wasto take a look here first.

http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/indus...47945&artnum=1

"Josepi" wrote in message
...
HD in Canada has a deal on with a new product they just got in.
It swings from +/-55 degree each side. Some digital gauge built into
it...didn't see it function
Soft start 3200 RPM
Easy to adjust compound mitre angles both ways.
Cuts 2x14 at right angles.


Right now they are offerring their free stand with every purchase (while
quantities last) and the stand looks pretty awesome with it's pull out
rollers, clamps and lot of other toys.


Since I am in the market (put the $80 new blade back for my old 10"
junker).


Comments on this unit would be appreciated.

Thanx.




I have the 12" Milwaukee, my son has the 10" Bosch.
I much prefer his Bosch over the Milwaukee.
Just personal opinion.

Max

On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 09:01:34 -0600, "Leon"
wrote:


"Josepi" wrote in message
...
HD in Canada has a deal on with a new product they just got in.
It swings from +/-55 degree each side. Some digital gauge built into
it...didn't see it function
Soft start 3200 RPM
Easy to adjust compound mitre angles both ways.
Cuts 2x14 at right angles.


Right now they are offerring their free stand with every purchase (while
quantities last) and the stand looks pretty awesome with it's pull out
rollers, clamps and lot of other toys.


Since I am in the market (put the $80 new blade back for my old 10"
junker).


Comments on this unit would be appreciated.

Thanx.


Might wasto take a look here first.

http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/indus...47945&artnum=1

Interesting that Festering got an "also ran" at 4th favorite.

I saved $1,150 by buying a 12" HF slider. Works fine, even with a C2
blade. chuckle I have no idea how it'd fare with hardwoods, though.
sigh


--
Education is when you read the fine print.
Experience is what you get if you don't.
-- Pete Seeger

On 11/20/2010 8:20 AM, Josepi wrote:
HD in Canada has a deal on with a new product they just got in.
It swings from +/-55 degree each side. Some digital gauge built into
it...didn't see it function
Soft start 3200 RPM
Easy to adjust compound mitre angles both ways.
Cuts 2x14 at right angles.


Right now they are offerring their free stand with every purchase (while
quantities last) and the stand looks pretty awesome with it's pull out
rollers, clamps and lot of other toys.


Since I am in the market (put the $80 new blade back for my old 10" junker).


Comments on this unit would be appreciated.

Thanx.



If you see a Milwaukee tool you like, buy it. You won't be
disappointed. I'm more than happy with every one I own.

LdB

On Nov 20, 1:31*pm, LdB wrote:
On 11/20/2010 8:20 AM, Josepi wrote:





HD in Canada has a deal on with a new product they just got in.
It swings from +/-55 degree each side. Some digital gauge built into
it...didn't see it function
Soft start 3200 RPM
Easy to adjust compound mitre angles both ways.
Cuts 2x14 at right angles.

Right now they are offerring their free stand with every purchase (while
quantities last) and the stand looks pretty awesome with it's pull out
rollers, clamps and lot of other toys.

Since I am in the market (put the $80 new blade back for my old 10" junker).

Comments on this unit would be appreciated.

Thanx.

If you see a Milwaukee tool you like, buy it. You won't be
disappointed. *I'm more than happy with every one I own.

LdB

I agree. But.... I'm just not a fan of big sliders. If you do work
that absolutely needs one, fine, but as a precision cutting device for
trim and picture frames, there's just too much wobble. In that case,
and that is purely my take on this, a smaller slider like the LS 1013
Makita is pretty decent..BUT.. my cheapo 12" non-slider Ridgid is more
accurate...and that thing was around 300 bucks.

On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 09:01:34 -0600, "Leon" wrote:


"Josepi" wrote in message
...
HD in Canada has a deal on with a new product they just got in.
It swings from +/-55 degree each side. Some digital gauge built into
it...didn't see it function
Soft start 3200 RPM
Easy to adjust compound mitre angles both ways.
Cuts 2x14 at right angles.


Right now they are offerring their free stand with every purchase (while
quantities last) and the stand looks pretty awesome with it's pull out
rollers, clamps and lot of other toys.


Since I am in the market (put the $80 new blade back for my old 10"
junker).


Comments on this unit would be appreciated.

Thanx.


Might wasto take a look here first.

http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/indus...47945&artnum=1

I bought a Bosch 12" slider a couple of months ago. It's nice but the dust
collection is useless, even with a dust collector hooked to the port. I
recently bought one of these just to try to keep up with the sawdust:

http://www.mcfeelys.com/product/1560...pShop-Saw-Hood

LdB wrote:


If you see a Milwaukee tool you like, buy it. You won't be
disappointed. I'm more than happy with every one I own.

LdB

I'm sorta partial to Milwaukee myself, but I've bought a lot of other
tools - mainly owing to price. While I sure do love my red and grey tools,
there are a ton of tools out there - including HF, that have proven to be
just as good.

--

-Mike-

On 11/20/2010 6:19 PM, Robatoy wrote:
On Nov 20, 1:31 pm, wrote:
On 11/20/2010 8:20 AM, Josepi wrote:





HD in Canada has a deal on with a new product they just got in.
It swings from +/-55 degree each side. Some digital gauge built into
it...didn't see it function
Soft start 3200 RPM
Easy to adjust compound mitre angles both ways.
Cuts 2x14 at right angles.

Right now they are offerring their free stand with every purchase (while
quantities last) and the stand looks pretty awesome with it's pull out
rollers, clamps and lot of other toys.

Since I am in the market (put the $80 new blade back for my old 10" junker).

Comments on this unit would be appreciated.

Thanx.

If you see a Milwaukee tool you like, buy it. You won't be
disappointed. I'm more than happy with every one I own.

LdB

I agree. But.... I'm just not a fan of big sliders. If you do work
that absolutely needs one, fine, but as a precision cutting device for
trim and picture frames, there's just too much wobble. In that case,
and that is purely my take on this, a smaller slider like the LS 1013
Makita is pretty decent..BUT.. my cheapo 12" non-slider Ridgid is more
accurate...and that thing was around 300 bucks.


I wouldn't expect picture framing precision with any 12" slider.
They're not made for that sort of work. That Milwaukee belongs on a
job site with 2x6's and larger being thrown at it.

When it comes to precision, I can be so anal about it that at times it
****es me off. I used to use my old radial arm saw for everything. I
could achieve near perfect accuracy with it but I had to tweak it with
every cut.

I've now got a General cabinet saw with a JessEm Miter Excel miter
gauge. Cuts as pretty as anyting I've ever seen except for those times
I use it to cut 14 foot 2x12's.

LdB

"LdB" wrote in message
I've now got a General cabinet saw with a JessEm Excel miter gauge. Cuts
as pretty as anyting I've ever seen except for those times

Looks very similar to the Kreg miter guage. Bought one last summer at Lee
Valley and it works very well with great adjustability.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/pag...40,41064,52405

On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:48:44 -0500, "Upscale" wrote:


"LdB" wrote in message
I've now got a General cabinet saw with a JessEm Excel miter gauge. Cuts
as pretty as anyting I've ever seen except for those times

Looks very similar to the Kreg miter guage. Bought one last summer at Lee
Valley and it works very well with great adjustability.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/pag...40,41064,52405

They appear to be quite different. The Kreg has pin stops for common angles
with a vernier for .1 degree settings while the Jessem has pin stops for every
half-degree and a .1 degree vernier.

wrote in message
They appear to be quite different. The Kreg has pin stops for common
angles
with a vernier for .1 degree settings while the Jessem has pin stops for
every
half-degree and a .1 degree vernier.

They're quite similar actually. You're nitpicking the pin differences. In
any event, I was referring to the aluminum construction, the fine adjustment
pins for calibrating the mitre perpendicular to the saw blade and the
selecting of a mitre angle for cutting. The Jessem has a better fit and
finish to it, but not by a great margin. Is the Jessem worth the $75 cost
over the Kreg? Maybe if you're preferences prefer the Jessem red and black
over the Kreg's standard blue colour. Each to his own I guess.

For me, I looked at the Jessem at another store before I settled on the Kreg
at Lee Valley. I can adjust the Kreg to repeatable angles as finely as I
choose, so I'm entirely satisfied with it. As far as I'm concerned the
Jessem would have only been able to match that satisfaction in capability,
not surpass it.

The money I saved went to beer. An equitable trade off I believe.

Let me clarify the unit.

I feel there must have been an earlier unit that has been replaced, based on
the comments, so far.

Add:
digital mitre gauge with 0.1 degree resolution.

http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/s...k=P_PartNumber



"Josepi" wrote in message
...
HD in Canada has a deal on with a new product they just got in.
It swings from +/-55 degree each side. Some digital gauge built into
it...didn't see it function
Soft start 3200 RPM
Easy to adjust compound mitre angles both ways.
Cuts 2x14 at right angles.


Right now they are offerring their free stand with every purchase (while
quantities last) and the stand looks pretty awesome with it's pull out
rollers, clamps and lot of other toys.


Since I am in the market (put the $80 new blade back for my old 10" junker).


Comments on this unit would be appreciated.

Thanx.

Thanx Leon.
I didn't realize this unit has NO laser cutting line! I can't live without
that one after my $179 cheapo had one! They hide that quite well and
actually imply it has one in the write-up.
GRRRRR....


"Leon" wrote in message
...
Might wasto take a look here first.

http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/indus...47945&artnum=1



"Josepi" wrote in message
...
HD in Canada has a deal on with a new product they just got in.
It swings from +/-55 degree each side. Some digital gauge built into
it...didn't see it function
Soft start 3200 RPM
Easy to adjust compound mitre angles both ways.
Cuts 2x14 at right angles.


Right now they are offerring their free stand with every purchase (while
quantities last) and the stand looks pretty awesome with it's pull out
rollers, clamps and lot of other toys.


Since I am in the market (put the $80 new blade back for my old 10"
junker).


Comments on this unit would be appreciated.

Thanx.

On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:22:49 -0500, "Upscale" wrote:


wrote in message
They appear to be quite different. The Kreg has pin stops for common
angles
with a vernier for .1 degree settings while the Jessem has pin stops for
every
half-degree and a .1 degree vernier.

They're quite similar actually. You're nitpicking the pin differences. In
any event, I was referring to the aluminum construction, the fine adjustment
pins for calibrating the mitre perpendicular to the saw blade and the
selecting of a mitre angle for cutting. The Jessem has a better fit and
finish to it, but not by a great margin. Is the Jessem worth the $75 cost
over the Kreg? Maybe if you're preferences prefer the Jessem red and black
over the Kreg's standard blue colour. Each to his own I guess.

I consider the pin arrangement and number of stops to be quite significant.
The difference is a lot more than color, but the Kreg is fugly.

For me, I looked at the Jessem at another store before I settled on the Kreg
at Lee Valley. I can adjust the Kreg to repeatable angles as finely as I
choose, so I'm entirely satisfied with it. As far as I'm concerned the
Jessem would have only been able to match that satisfaction in capability,
not surpass it.

The Incra 1000HD is pretty nice, as well.

The money I saved went to beer. An equitable trade off I believe.

Don't drink beer anymore. That's why I can afford the Jessem (and a couple of
Festeringtools). ;-)

"Josepi" wrote in message
...
Thanx Leon.
I didn't realize this unit has NO laser cutting line! I can't live without
that one after my $179 cheapo had one! They hide that quite well and
actually imply it has one in the write-up.
GRRRRR....

You should double check that, this article was a couple years old IIRC.
You did not indicate a specific model, there could be modifications or
additions to later models.

The numbers check out the same. I wanted all the other features so bad I am
going today to ask HD to plug it in to see the lights.
To think I almost had it under the tree yesterday. (wife is great with
it..yeah..I pay though). If I would have turned it on Boxing day and there
was no laser site, windows would have been smashed...LOL



"Leon" wrote in message
...
You should double check that, this article was a couple years old IIRC.
You did not indicate a specific model, there could be modifications or
additions to later models.



"Josepi" wrote in message
...
Thanx Leon.
I didn't realize this unit has NO laser cutting line! I can't live without
that one after my $179 cheapo had one! They hide that quite well and
actually imply it has one in the write-up.
GRRRRR....

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:22:49 -0500, "Upscale"
wrote:


The Incra 1000HD is pretty nice, as well.

The money I saved went to beer. An equitable trade off I believe.

Don't drink beer anymore. That's why I can afford the Jessem (and a
couple of
Festeringtools). ;-)


Several years ago I looked closely at all the miter gauges that were
available. I first bought the pricey Osborne but was shocked that it would
not securely lock the fence at 45 degrees with the extension rod fully
extended to the 45 degree setting. It was ok on the other end 45 degree
setting where the extension rod was almost fully retracted. Because I
prefer to cut my miters cut on the trailing edge of the work for less tear
out this unit was ruled out. I and the dealer went through the units that
he had and all had the inherent flaw. Osborne denied any problem and I see
also that this unit is selling now for $109., almost half what I originally
paid.

I looked at Incra but when I was buying there were numerous complaints about
the fence mount to the gauge not being square to the table. The fences
either leaned forward or backward and were seldom perpendicular to the table
top. AND most ate up a lot of real-estate behind the fence. Half the guide
rails are behind the fence so if you are cutting wide stock the guide rail
will not be engaged with much of the miter slot.

I got the Kreg, the Jesem looked pretty good too, but I was simply looking
for a miter gauge that could be quickly set to 45 and "0". If I want to
cut accurate angles other than in those two settings I use either of my
Dubby miter sleds. Setting the fence angle you have about 1/4" of travel
between each "one degree" setting, it is extremely easy to dial in a very
accurate angle since the angle gauge is approximately 20 inches long.

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:22:24 -0600, "Leon" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:22:49 -0500, "Upscale"
wrote:


The Incra 1000HD is pretty nice, as well.

The money I saved went to beer. An equitable trade off I believe.

Don't drink beer anymore. That's why I can afford the Jessem (and a
couple of
Festeringtools). ;-)


Several years ago I looked closely at all the miter gauges that were
available. I first bought the pricey Osborne but was shocked that it would
not securely lock the fence at 45 degrees with the extension rod fully
extended to the 45 degree setting. It was ok on the other end 45 degree
setting where the extension rod was almost fully retracted. Because I
prefer to cut my miters cut on the trailing edge of the work for less tear
out this unit was ruled out. I and the dealer went through the units that
he had and all had the inherent flaw. Osborne denied any problem and I see
also that this unit is selling now for $109., almost half what I originally
paid.

The setup of the Osborne turned me off.

I looked at Incra but when I was buying there were numerous complaints about
the fence mount to the gauge not being square to the table. The fences
either leaned forward or backward and were seldom perpendicular to the table
top. AND most ate up a lot of real-estate behind the fence. Half the guide
rails are behind the fence so if you are cutting wide stock the guide rail
will not be engaged with much of the miter slot.

I don't think any of them are long enough.

I got the Kreg, the Jesem looked pretty good too, but I was simply looking
for a miter gauge that could be quickly set to 45 and "0". If I want to
cut accurate angles other than in those two settings I use either of my
Dubby miter sleds. Setting the fence angle you have about 1/4" of travel
between each "one degree" setting, it is extremely easy to dial in a very
accurate angle since the angle gauge is approximately 20 inches long.

The Dubby looks nice. I bought the Incra Miter Express thinking I could use
the JessEm miter gauge on it. The stupid thing doesn't have a 'T' slot, so
it's a PITA without a dedicated miter gauge. I fixed that problem but the
Dubby would have been a whole lot cheaper. The Incra is also on the small
side.

5 or 6" crown molding comes to mind, some day. I have done this before on a
10" mnitre saw but it was a bitch trying to reverse, reverse things for some
of the cuts. I ended up making sample pieces with all the combinations and
holding them up until I found the right 45 plane to cut on the saw trying to
combat my over-my-head dyslexia. The whole thing confused the heck out of me
and I ended up with a degree in plastering joints...LOL



"LdB" wrote in message
...
I wouldn't expect picture framing precision with any 12" slider.
They're not made for that sort of work. That Milwaukee belongs on a
job site with 2x6's and larger being thrown at it.

When it comes to precision, I can be so anal about it that at times it
****es me off. I used to use my old radial arm saw for everything. I
could achieve near perfect accuracy with it but I had to tweak it with
every cut.

I've now got a General cabinet saw with a JessEm Miter Excel miter
gauge. Cuts as pretty as anyting I've ever seen except for those times
I use it to cut 14 foot 2x12's.

LdB