"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote

I've seen some things turn on by themselves, or more likely *not* turn
on. Usually what happened is the switch is either not in a full off
position or defective. The switch not being in a full off position is
difficult on most of the power tools I've used.

I am on the fence on this subject. I have never seen one turn on by
itself. I have seen some tools turn on because the switch is easy to bump.
I have seen things turned on because someone else turned them on by
mistake.

I guess I almost always unplug while making any adjustment or tool change
where body parts will be very close or in contact with the sharp rotating
things.

The exception is that for a quick change while I am alone on the table
saw,

The very time when you need somebody around in case you bleed out.

which has a magnetic starter. I can't see how that could ever turn on by
itself.

Which tools should have, as they cannot start if they were shut down due to
a power failure and the power is restored. No foul if the TV comes back on,
but power tools are a whole other story.

"Lobby Dosser" wrote

Which tools should have, as they cannot start if they were shut down due
to a power failure and the power is restored. No foul if the TV comes back
on, but power tools are a whole other story.

Have you ever seen the extension cord type device that is sold for tools
without magnetic starters to guard against exactly the thing you just
mentioned?

If not, or for those unaware, it is a section of cord with a box with a
brain inline that allows a tool with a regular mechanical switch to operate
normally, until the power to the tool is interupted, either by the plug
getting bumped, the main power cutting out, or a tripped breaker or fault
protector. At that point, even if the power is out only for an instant, the
tool will not be given power back by the brain box, until a reset button on
the brain it pressed.

Not nearly as expensive as magnetic starters, easy to use, and give another
layer of safety. Plus, it satisfies the requirements that may apply to a
shop that is inspected by OSHA or insurance inspectors. Some products are
GFCI's that require pressing the reset button before it will come back on
after power is interupted, and some only mimic a magnetic starter. Seems as
though it was in the mid 30 dollar price range, when I looked at them a
couple years ago.
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Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Lobby Dosser" wrote

Which tools should have, as they cannot start if they were shut down due
to a power failure and the power is restored. No foul if the TV comes
back on, but power tools are a whole other story.

Have you ever seen the extension cord type device that is sold for tools
without magnetic starters to guard against exactly the thing you just
mentioned?

Thanks, good to know and I'll google it as soon as I can think of what to
search for.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:58:30 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
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"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Lobby Dosser" wrote

Which tools should have, as they cannot start if they were shut down due
to a power failure and the power is restored. No foul if the TV comes
back on, but power tools are a whole other story.

Have you ever seen the extension cord type device that is sold for tools
without magnetic starters to guard against exactly the thing you just
mentioned?

Nevahoiduvit, neither.


Thanks, good to know and I'll google it as soon as I can think of what to
search for.

"Extension-cord-with-magnetic-starter-built-in", perhaps? ;O

"inline mag starter" maybe?

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:58:30 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
wrote:

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Lobby Dosser" wrote

Which tools should have, as they cannot start if they were shut down
due
to a power failure and the power is restored. No foul if the TV comes
back on, but power tools are a whole other story.

Have you ever seen the extension cord type device that is sold for tools
without magnetic starters to guard against exactly the thing you just
mentioned?

Nevahoiduvit, neither.


Thanks, good to know and I'll google it as soon as I can think of what to
search for.

"Extension-cord-with-magnetic-starter-built-in", perhaps? ;O

"inline mag starter" maybe?


You got good results from those?

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:40:01 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:58:30 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
wrote:

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Lobby Dosser" wrote

Which tools should have, as they cannot start if they were shut down
due
to a power failure and the power is restored. No foul if the TV comes
back on, but power tools are a whole other story.

Have you ever seen the extension cord type device that is sold for tools
without magnetic starters to guard against exactly the thing you just
mentioned?

Nevahoiduvit, neither.


Thanks, good to know and I'll google it as soon as I can think of what to
search for.

"Extension-cord-with-magnetic-starter-built-in", perhaps? ;O

"inline mag starter" maybe?


You got good results from those?

Nope, I didn't try either that day. What'd you find? Anything?

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:40:01 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:58:30 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
wrote:

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Lobby Dosser" wrote

Which tools should have, as they cannot start if they were shut down
due
to a power failure and the power is restored. No foul if the TV comes
back on, but power tools are a whole other story.

Have you ever seen the extension cord type device that is sold for
tools
without magnetic starters to guard against exactly the thing you just
mentioned?

Nevahoiduvit, neither.


Thanks, good to know and I'll google it as soon as I can think of what
to
search for.

"Extension-cord-with-magnetic-starter-built-in", perhaps? ;O

"inline mag starter" maybe?


You got good results from those?

Nope, I didn't try either that day. What'd you find? Anything?

Nothing

"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
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"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Lobby Dosser" wrote

Which tools should have, as they cannot start if they were shut down due
to a power failure and the power is restored. No foul if the TV comes
back on, but power tools are a whole other story.

Have you ever seen the extension cord type device that is sold for tools
without magnetic starters to guard against exactly the thing you just
mentioned?

Thanks, good to know and I'll google it as soon as I can think of what to
search for.

I found this brand, but I think they are all GFCI's, too. I have found that
using a GFCI on top of a GFCI protected like can sometimes lead to excessive
false resets.

I will keep looking for a little while, but there is one type. Just find a
dealer and you are all set.
--
Jim in NC

"Lobby Dosser" wrote

Have you ever seen the extension cord type device that is sold for tools
without magnetic starters to guard against exactly the thing you just
mentioned?

Thanks, good to know and I'll google it as soon as I can think of what to
search for.

Oh, I think I would stick with the GFCE with a manual reset, for this price.
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/UL-...UZ7?Pid=search

I sent a reply to the poster, instead of the group earlier by mistake. Here
is that message with a link.

found this brand, but I think they are all GFCI's, too. I have found that
using a GFCI on top of a GFCI protected like can sometimes lead to excessive
false resets.

I will keep looking for a little while, but there is one type. Just find a
dealer and you are all set.

I forgot the link the first time.
http://tools.passandseymour.com/psgf...leGFCI_bro.pdf
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Lobby Dosser" wrote

Have you ever seen the extension cord type device that is sold for tools
without magnetic starters to guard against exactly the thing you just
mentioned?

Thanks, good to know and I'll google it as soon as I can think of what to
search for.

Oh, I think I would stick with the GFCE with a manual reset, for this
price.
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/UL-...UZ7?Pid=search

I sent a reply to the poster, instead of the group earlier by mistake.
Here is that message with a link.

found this brand, but I think they are all GFCI's, too. I have found that
using a GFCI on top of a GFCI protected like can sometimes lead to
excessive
false resets.

I will keep looking for a little while, but there is one type. Just find
a
dealer and you are all set.

I forgot the link the first time.
http://tools.passandseymour.com/psgf...leGFCI_bro.pdf
--
Jim in NC

Pass and Seymour offer Manual Reset models, so probably the same price as
Grainger. I think I'll just remember to unplug!

"Lobby Dosser" wrote

Pass and Seymour offer Manual Reset models, so probably the same price as
Grainger. I think I'll just remember to unplug!

I found it for about 36 bucks, but lost it, now.
--
Jim in NC

"Lobby Dosser" wrote

Pass and Seymour offer Manual Reset models, so probably the same price as
Grainger. I think I'll just remember to unplug!


The local (El Paso) Lowes has them.

http://tinyurl.com/2vcnlt4

Max

"Max" wrote in message
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"Lobby Dosser" wrote

Pass and Seymour offer Manual Reset models, so probably the same price as
Grainger. I think I'll just remember to unplug!


The local (El Paso) Lowes has them.

http://tinyurl.com/2vcnlt4

Max

Those are GFCI. What we're looking for is a cord with a switch that will go
to Off on a power loss and require a Manual reset.

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