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On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 23:06:41 -0500, Steve Turner
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On 8/9/2010 10:53 PM, wrote:
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Aluminum. Wingnuts. Sliding. All these things scream "alignment" to
me.

Not really. The aluminum part that moves is up against the heavy
casting
that is the part that securely locks to the saw. Once you have the
casting
set, the aluminum repeats accurately (it is metal on metal with
nothing
to
let it become inaccurate) when it is tightened against the casting.

If the "heavy casting" only connects at the front and doesn't continue
to the
back, there is room for error. Beisemeyer is one piece so there is
nothing to
get whacked out, other then the pair adjustment set screws. They're
easily
adjusted and really don't take much abuse anyway.

You're speaking about that which you know not.

That's why I'm asking, dummy.

My Unisaw has a Unifence and it
doesn't get any more "whacked out" than a Biesemeyer.

That's not what I've been told before and primarily why I went with the
*B*I*E*S*E*M*E*Y*E*R* instead of the *U*N*I*F*E*N*C*E*.

And yes, I've used a
Biesemeyer (which you misspelled, btw) many times; my father and my
buddy
both
have one.

Sorry, my speelczecher doesn't do trademarks. Geez, what a maroon!

If you're convinced that a Biesemeyer fence is superior to a Unifence then
you should stick with a Biesemeyer. It doesn't appear that any amount of
anecdotal evidence is going to persuade you against confirmational bias.
In all likelihood the performance of either fence is so close that, in the
end, it comes down to personal preference.

Were I convinced that one were superior I wouldn't have asked the
question. Speaking of bunched panties!

If I weren't of the opinion that you seemed biased that one *was* superior
to the other one I wouldn't have made my comment.

Max

[:-)

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On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 23:06:41 -0500, Steve Turner
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On 8/9/2010 10:53 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:38:36 -0400,
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Aluminum. Wingnuts. Sliding. All these things scream "alignment" to
me.

Not really. The aluminum part that moves is up against the heavy
casting
that is the part that securely locks to the saw. Once you have the
casting
set, the aluminum repeats accurately (it is metal on metal with
nothing
to
let it become inaccurate) when it is tightened against the casting..

If the "heavy casting" only connects at the front and doesn't continue
to the
back, there is room for error. Beisemeyer is one piece so there is
nothing to
get whacked out, other then the pair adjustment set screws. They're
easily
adjusted and really don't take much abuse anyway.

You're speaking about that which you know not.

That's why I'm asking, dummy.

My Unisaw has a Unifence and it
doesn't get any more "whacked out" than a Biesemeyer.

That's not what I've been told before and primarily why I went with the
*B*I*E*S*E*M*E*Y*E*R* instead of the *U*N*I*F*E*N*C*E*.

And yes, I've used a
Biesemeyer (which you misspelled, btw) many times; my father and my
buddy
both
have one.

Sorry, my speelczecher doesn't do trademarks. Geez, what a maroon!

If you're convinced that a Biesemeyer fence is superior to a Unifence then
you should stick with a Biesemeyer. It doesn't appear that any amount of
anecdotal evidence is going to persuade you against confirmational bias..
In all likelihood the performance of either fence is so close that, in the
end, it comes down to personal preference.
Were I convinced that one were superior I wouldn't have asked the
question. *Speaking of bunched panties!

If I weren't of the opinion that you seemed biased that one *was* superior
to the other one I wouldn't have made my comment.

Look. When I bought my Unisaur I researched both systems, including
querying this group. Not having used a Unifence or ever having had
access to same, my OPINIONS are based on this research. So, yes,
having done homework and having _made_ the choice, I was obviously
convinced that the Biesemeyer was the better fence. If others have
different OPINIONS, I'm certainly interested in discussing the fine
points (and would love to try the Unifence) but I highly doubt I'll
ever change fences. I think even I can find a better use for the
money. ;-)

Now, is it time to unwedge? Did I spell "Biesemeyer" right?

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On Aug 10, 10:07 am, "Max" wrote:

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On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 23:06:41 -0500, Steve Turner
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On 8/9/2010 10:53 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:38:36 -0400,
wrote:

wrote

Aluminum. Wingnuts. Sliding. All these things scream "alignment" to
me.

Not really. The aluminum part that moves is up against the heavy
casting
that is the part that securely locks to the saw. Once you have the
casting
set, the aluminum repeats accurately (it is metal on metal with
nothing
to
let it become inaccurate) when it is tightened against the casting.

If the "heavy casting" only connects at the front and doesn't continue
to the
back, there is room for error. Beisemeyer is one piece so there is
nothing to
get whacked out, other then the pair adjustment set screws. They're
easily
adjusted and really don't take much abuse anyway.

You're speaking about that which you know not.

That's why I'm asking, dummy.

My Unisaw has a Unifence and it
doesn't get any more "whacked out" than a Biesemeyer.

That's not what I've been told before and primarily why I went with the
*B*I*E*S*E*M*E*Y*E*R* instead of the *U*N*I*F*E*N*C*E*.

And yes, I've used a
Biesemeyer (which you misspelled, btw) many times; my father and my
buddy
both
have one.

Sorry, my speelczecher doesn't do trademarks. Geez, what a maroon!

If you're convinced that a Biesemeyer fence is superior to a Unifence then
you should stick with a Biesemeyer. It doesn't appear that any amount of
anecdotal evidence is going to persuade you against confirmational bias.
In all likelihood the performance of either fence is so close that, in the
end, it comes down to personal preference.
Were I convinced that one were superior I wouldn't have asked the
question. *Speaking of bunched panties!

If I weren't of the opinion that you seemed biased that one *was* superior
to the other one I wouldn't have made my comment.

Look. *When I bought my Unisaur I researched both systems, including
querying this group. *Not having used a Unifence or ever having had
access to same, my OPINIONS are based on this research. *So, yes,
having done homework and having _made_ the choice, I was obviously
convinced that the Biesemeyer was the better fence. *If others have
different OPINIONS, I'm certainly interested in discussing the fine
points (and would love to try the Unifence) but I highly doubt I'll
ever change fences. *I think even I can find a better use for the
money. *;-)

Now, is it time to unwedge? *Did I spell "Biesemeyer" right?

I have used the Uni and The Bies for decades, both at the same shop. I
have screwed around with many fences at other shops, always asking why
those guys liked what they liked. So my personal preference? Both the
Uni and the Bies are toys. Good toys, but toys. The SCM and Altendorf
guys have it down: Great big tube or channel and a humongous casting
with a T configuration, no clamping at the back, ever.

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On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 23:06:41 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

On 8/9/2010 10:53 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:38:36 -0400,

wrote:

wrote

Aluminum. Wingnuts. Sliding. All these things scream "alignment"
to
me.

Not really. The aluminum part that moves is up against the heavy
casting
that is the part that securely locks to the saw. Once you have the
casting
set, the aluminum repeats accurately (it is metal on metal with
nothing
to
let it become inaccurate) when it is tightened against the casting.

If the "heavy casting" only connects at the front and doesn't
continue
to the
back, there is room for error. Beisemeyer is one piece so there is
nothing to
get whacked out, other then the pair adjustment set screws. They're
easily
adjusted and really don't take much abuse anyway.

You're speaking about that which you know not.

That's why I'm asking, dummy.

My Unisaw has a Unifence and it
doesn't get any more "whacked out" than a Biesemeyer.

That's not what I've been told before and primarily why I went with
the
*B*I*E*S*E*M*E*Y*E*R* instead of the *U*N*I*F*E*N*C*E*.

And yes, I've used a
Biesemeyer (which you misspelled, btw) many times; my father and my
buddy
both
have one.

Sorry, my speelczecher doesn't do trademarks. Geez, what a maroon!

If you're convinced that a Biesemeyer fence is superior to a Unifence
then
you should stick with a Biesemeyer. It doesn't appear that any amount of
anecdotal evidence is going to persuade you against confirmational bias.
In all likelihood the performance of either fence is so close that, in
the
end, it comes down to personal preference.
Were I convinced that one were superior I wouldn't have asked the
question. Speaking of bunched panties!

If I weren't of the opinion that you seemed biased that one *was* superior
to the other one I wouldn't have made my comment.

Look. When I bought my Unisaur I researched both systems, including
querying this group. Not having used a Unifence or ever having had
access to same, my OPINIONS are based on this research. So, yes,
having done homework and having _made_ the choice, I was obviously
convinced that the Biesemeyer was the better fence. If others have
different OPINIONS, I'm certainly interested in discussing the fine
points (and would love to try the Unifence) but I highly doubt I'll
ever change fences. I think even I can find a better use for the
money. ;-)

Now, is it time to unwedge? Did I spell "Biesemeyer" right?



It's a good feeling when one's suspicions are confirmed. snerk
All kidding aside, I think each fence has it's adherents and there's not
enough difference to quibble about.

Max

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It's a good feeling when one's suspicions are confirmed. snerk
All kidding aside, I think each fence has it's adherents and there's not
enough difference to quibble about.

I have used both and, for me, they both worked great. Do I have a
preference? Well, my Vega has never let me down.

"CW" wrote

I have used both and, for me, they both worked great. Do I have a
preference? Well, my Vega has never let me down.

Wow, how many heads did that (Vega) comment just wizz over? :-))

It is only the people that had one or knew someone that had one that really,
really understand.

But, if you were good on oil changes and never ever let it overheat, it
wasn't as bad as everyone thinks. Problem is, how many people keep up with
both of the two conditions I stated? Not many, huh?

How about a Luv pickup? Believe it or not, there is one that lives around
here as an every day driver. Not too bad, for that fellow, I guess!
--
Jim in NC

On 8/10/2010 8:54 PM, Morgans wrote:
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I have used both and, for me, they both worked great. Do I have a
preference? Well, my Vega has never let me down.

Wow, how many heads did that (Vega) comment just wizz over? :-))

It is only the people that had one or knew someone that had one that really,
really understand.

It obviously whizzed over _one_ head. http://www.vegawoodworking.com/

But, if you were good on oil changes and never ever let it overheat, it
wasn't as bad as everyone thinks. Problem is, how many people keep up with
both of the two conditions I stated? Not many, huh?

That's some table saw fence that needs oil changes and is in danger of
overheating.

How about a Luv pickup? Believe it or not, there is one that lives around
here as an every day driver. Not too bad, for that fellow, I guess!

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On 8/10/2010 8:54 PM, Morgans wrote:
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I have used both and, for me, they both worked great. Do I have a
preference? Well, my Vega has never let me down.

Wow, how many heads did that (Vega) comment just wizz over? :-))

It is only the people that had one or knew someone that had one that
really,
really understand.

It obviously whizzed over _one_ head. http://www.vegawoodworking.com/

But, if you were good on oil changes and never ever let it overheat, it
wasn't as bad as everyone thinks. Problem is, how many people keep up
with
both of the two conditions I stated? Not many, huh?

That's some table saw fence that needs oil changes and is in danger of
overheating.

Chevrolet Vega.

"J. Clarke" wrote

It obviously whizzed over _one_ head. http://www.vegawoodworking.com/

Wow, here I stand all red-faced and stuff! I have to admit that I go for
the main stream stuff, and not the fine woodworker high line stuff. It is
an unfortunate condition of buying for a high school in a poor rural area of
NC with _very_ limited funds to spend on equipment and supplies. I had not
heard of that company and therefore though that you were making a funny!

That's some table saw fence that needs oil changes and is in danger of
overheating.

Now, you're making a funny, right? I guess I need to ask and find out for
sure, from now on! ;-)
--
Jim in NC

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"CW" wrote

I have used both and, for me, they both worked great. Do I have a
preference? Well, my Vega has never let me down.

Wow, how many heads did that (Vega) comment just wizz over? :-))

It is only the people that had one or knew someone that had one that
really, really understand.

But, if you were good on oil changes and never ever let it overheat, it
wasn't as bad as everyone thinks. Problem is, how many people keep up
with both of the two conditions I stated? Not many, huh?

I had a Vega, they were inherently flawed. I personally replaced the short
block in my garage and had the head reworked because a piston broke. Twenty
something thousand miles later I would drive into a gas station and asked
the attentant to fill the oil and check the gas. Having replaced the short
block myself, oil changes were as routine as filling the vehicle with gas,
not an issue of getting it done every 3K and properly. Over heating was a
problem with most all of them. They did not do well in city traffic. My
Vega did pretty good until I moved to a city with daily traffic conjestion.

It was a very long time before GM could build a reliable 4 banger.


How about a Luv pickup? Believe it or not, there is one that lives around
here as an every day driver. Not too bad, for that fellow, I guess!

Chevy LUV pick-ups were pretty good vehicles with decent engines. And might
I add, Isuzu built that truck for Cheverolet.