"Leon" wrote in message
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"CW" wrote in message
m...
You may be referring to me. I don;t have the saw any longer but it was a
full size saw with a direct drive induction motor.
Blade was mounted directly on the motor shaft. The only problem with that
set up is that the blade height was restricted by the motor. Very smooth
and quiet though.


Yeah I thought it was you, CW. Did not want to say with out knowing for
sure. I bet that saw was smooth, what happened with it?

It's still working just fine for the guy I gave it to. I wanted a better
fence and really couldn't fit one to this saw. Also, the limitation with the
depth of cut was annoying. Only paid 300.00 for it and had it for 7 years.
Paid for itself several times over. Now have a Hitachi hybrid with Vega
fence.

"CW" wrote in message
m...

"Leon" wrote in message
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"CW" wrote in message
m...
You may be referring to me. I don;t have the saw any longer but it was a
full size saw with a direct drive induction motor.
Blade was mounted directly on the motor shaft. The only problem with
that set up is that the blade height was restricted by the motor. Very
smooth and quiet though.


Yeah I thought it was you, CW. Did not want to say with out knowing for
sure. I bet that saw was smooth, what happened with it?

It's still working just fine for the guy I gave it to. I wanted a better
fence and really couldn't fit one to this saw. Also, the limitation with
the depth of cut was annoying. Only paid 300.00 for it and had it for 7
years. Paid for itself several times over. Now have a Hitachi hybrid with
Vega fence.
I see.

"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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So what wonderful magical thing does a motor starter do that makes it so
vastly more functional and protective?


It turns off when the grid power goes off. When the power returns, the
device does not start until the switch is pressed.

--
National Socialism showed what can happen when very ordinary people get
control of a state and the merely opportunistic are regarded as
intellectuals.

Anthony Burgess



This type switch would have been nice on an 'old' Ryobi planer that I used
to have. While planing a board the power went off for about 5-6 seconds.
The operation stopped mid board. While wondering what was was going on the
power came back on. Unfortunately the planer did too except that the belt
driven cutter head knives were stuck in the board and the motor burned up
the belt before I realized what was going on. A magnetic switch would have
prevented that from happening.

"Lobby Dosser" wrote

It turns off when the grid power goes off. When the power returns, the
device does not start until the switch is pressed.

As does the right portable GFIC device.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Lobby Dosser" wrote

It turns off when the grid power goes off. When the power returns, the
device does not start until the switch is pressed.

As does the right portable GFIC device.
--
Jim in NC


What does GFIC stand for? Not confusing with GFCI I presume as those do not
have to be reset after a power failure.

Morgans wrote:
"Lobby Dosser" wrote

It turns off when the grid power goes off. When the power returns,
the device does not start until the switch is pressed.

As does the right portable GFIC device.

What is a "GFIC device"? Most GFCI devices do not reset with a power
failure.

--

-Mike-

"Mike Marlow" wrote

As does the right portable GFIC device.

What is a "GFIC device"? Most GFCI devices do not reset with a power
failure.

Yes I meant to type GFCI, but fumbled.

Most garden variety GFCI do not have to be reset manually after a power
failure. Some manufacturers have designed the circuit so that they have to
be manually reset when the power is withdrawn from the device. I don't know
which brands, but if you read up on it a little bit, you will see that is
the case.

That could be the reason why the garden variety automatic resetting ones
that most people have in their garages and kitchens and bathrooms cost about
12 bucks, but the ones meant for use in construction as a restart protection
device cost about 36 bucks.

Think about it. That is just a little microchip in those things. You can
program them to behave any way you want to. Since they do not make as many
for restart protection, they will cost more because of volume of production.
Plus the fact that if you need them for passing OSHA inspection, you need
them and will pay the premium price.

I do agree with you to a point. Most GFCI do not have to be reset when the
power is interrupted. If it has to be reset, it will usually plainly state
that fact in the documentation for the device. I found about 3
manufacturers that stated they have to be reset after power interruption
while I was searching for them a day or two ago.

Don't trust my word for it, though. Spend an hour or two searching for
them. They are out there.

Word.
--
Jim in NC

"Lobby wrote in message
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"J. wrote in message
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So what wonderful magical thing does a motor starter do that makes it so
vastly more functional and protective?


It turns off when the grid power goes off. When the power returns, the
device does not start until the switch is pressed.

Well, Dosser, what part of "By requiring the user to press the reset
button after power loss the dangers of unexpected start-ups are averted"
are you having trouble with? Dossing in the lobby during remedial
reading were you, or was it just that you couldn't be assed to read the
whole 4 pages of big print before you spouted off?

Morgans wrote:


Yes I meant to type GFCI, but fumbled.

Donchya know ya can't get away with that?...


Most garden variety GFCI do not have to be reset manually after a
power failure. Some manufacturers have designed the circuit so that
they have to be manually reset when the power is withdrawn from the
device. I don't know which brands, but if you read up on it a little
bit, you will see that is the case.

That could be the reason why the garden variety automatic resetting
ones that most people have in their garages and kitchens and
bathrooms cost about 12 bucks, but the ones meant for use in
construction as a restart protection device cost about 36 bucks.


Of course - I didn't read everything through completely before replying.
I'll go sit in the corner for a short time. Point taken.

--

-Mike-

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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"Lobby wrote in message
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"J. wrote in message
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So what wonderful magical thing does a motor starter do that makes it
so
vastly more functional and protective?


It turns off when the grid power goes off. When the power returns, the
device does not start until the switch is pressed.

Well, Dosser, what part of "By requiring the user to press the reset
button after power loss the dangers of unexpected start-ups are averted"
are you having trouble with? Dossing in the lobby during remedial reading
were you, or was it just that you couldn't be assed to read the whole 4
pages of big print before you spouted off?


Maybe you could quote enough so that a person could see WTF you were talking
about?

--
National Socialism showed what can happen when very ordinary people get
control of a state and the merely opportunistic are regarded as
intellectuals.

Anthony Burgess

"Lobby Dosser" wrote in message
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message

Well, Dosser, what part of "By requiring the user to press the reset
button after power loss the dangers of unexpected start-ups are averted"
are you having trouble with? Dossing in the lobby during remedial
reading were you, or was it just that you couldn't be assed to read the
whole 4 pages of big print before you spouted off?


Maybe you could quote enough so that a person could see WTF you were
talking about?


The simple solution to this problem is to simply plonk him. I did that a
few years ago and things are much nicer. He wants to argue, not actually
accomplish anything.

On 8/15/2010 12:29 PM, Leon wrote:
"Lobby wrote in message
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"J. wrote in message

Well, Dosser, what part of "By requiring the user to press the reset
button after power loss the dangers of unexpected start-ups are averted"
are you having trouble with? Dossing in the lobby during remedial
reading were you, or was it just that you couldn't be assed to read the
whole 4 pages of big print before you spouted off?


Maybe you could quote enough so that a person could see WTF you were
talking about?


The simple solution to this problem is to simply plonk him. I did that a
few years ago and things are much nicer. He wants to argue, not actually
accomplish anything.

You're right, Dosser does want to argue. If he actually cared about
truth then he wouldn't have made a stupid statement to begin with.