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In 98-99 I put an addition on the kitchen and with the new cabinets I
went to Rocklear store in Schaumburg, IL. Since I live in Oak Park, it's about a 30-40 min drive in good traffic and perhaps 15-20 miles each way. I purchased their Xenon under cabinet lights with transformers etc. Last week I went to buy another set, the touch switch and some spare bulbs. Get to the store and there's a "lighting section" but no lighting. Ask the sales guy and he says there is some new "CXF" manager and he took out the lighting. That along with other things, the sales guy was quitting on the next Saturday. He looked in some returns if he had the stuff but nada...I had to order from the catalog to get it in a few days since ording to store was at best, 2 weeks. So today I call Rocklear and order the stuff, perhaps a$100+ order. I said to the person on the phone that I didn't think I should have to pay for shipping on the lights since I thought they should have been in the store, since they were. NOPE said her supervisor...so I got to pay for the trip to the store and the shipping, or pay twice! I'm thinking this isn't exactly a good situation...since they have just about everything else in the catalog in the store it appears. -- Thanks, Ham |
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Bob Brogan Ham writes:
In 98-99 I put an addition on the kitchen and with the new cabinets I went to Rocklear store in Schaumburg, IL. Since I live in Oak Park, it's about a 30-40 min drive in good traffic and perhaps 15-20 miles each way. I purchased their Xenon under cabinet lights with transformers etc. Last week I went to buy another set, the touch switch and some spare bulbs. Get to the store and there's a "lighting section" but no lighting. Ask the sales guy and he says there is some new "CXF" manager and he took out the lighting. snip of stuff So today I call Rocklear and order the stuff, perhaps a$100+ order. I said to the person on the phone that I didn't think I should have to pay for shipping on the lights since I thought they should have been in the store, since they were. NOPE said her supervisor...so I got to pay for the trip to the store and the shipping, or pay twice! I'm thinking this isn't exactly a good situation...since they have just about everything else in the catalog in the store it appears. I'm thinking that I'd have learned how to spell the store name and called to check before driving 20 miles each way if the trek bothered me that much. You're not paying twice for shipping. You're paying twice for not checking, which is your own fault, not the store's. To expect any store to have exactly the same items in stock it had 5 or 6 years ago is stretching it thin. Charlie Self "The function of posterity is to look after itself." Dylan Thomas |
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I'm thinking this isn't exactly a good situation...since they have just
about everything else in the catalog in the store it appears. I'm thinking that I'd have learned how to spell the store name and called to check before driving 20 miles each way if the trek bothered me that much. You're not paying twice for shipping. You're paying twice for not checking, which is your own fault, not the store's. To expect any store to have exactly the same items in stock it had 5 or 6 years ago is stretching it thin. He's also paying for being impatient. Didja see this in his post? I had to order from the catalog to get it in a few days since ordering to store was at best, 2 weeks. I've ordered things from Rockler before, that I didn't want to pay the shipping on. Just call the store and have them put it on their next regular order. They'll call you when it's in. You're right. Maybe that's the highest cost. I think most of the top mail order outfits do something similar. It can't hurt to ask, anyway. It is probably impossible to stock every item in a catalog every day of every week of every year anyway. I know Lee Valley tries, but most others limit their store SKUs to a certain extent, depending on space, franchisee desires, etc. Rob doesn't have franchised stores, so doesn't have to deal with franchise owners some of whom are really, really superb, and some of whom are not. Charlie Self "The function of posterity is to look after itself." Dylan Thomas |
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In article , Bob Brogan wrote:
In article m, (Doug Miller) wrote: He's also paying for being impatient. Didja see this in his post? I'm paying for being impatient? Yes, you are. You said yourself you "had to order from the catalog" because it would take two weeks to get it into the store. Paying for the convenience of getting it in a few days is one way to look at it, paying for not having the patience to wait two weeks is another take on the same situation. If you looked, the stuff had been in the store and the display was still there and I'd bought it before. I did see that. I agree with Charlie that it's unreasonable to expect the store to still have in stock today the same stuff that it had in stock in 1998. The SA said it was some new person's decision and that, amongst other things made him quit and was leaving in 4 days. Do you get the idea that there are bigger problems when the sales guy quits because of problems like this? He also alluded to other customer problems like this. I also said that if ordered to the store it would take at least 2 weeks to get there. That is no being impatient. I can order from Lee Valley and it's shipped in 24-36 hrs. And you can order from Rockler and have it shipped to your home in 24-36 hours also. But if you want it sent to a Rockler *store* you need to wait until they have a truck going to the store. Why should Rockler be so much longer unless there's problems? Because when you *pay* for the shipping, they'll send it wherever you want, whenever you want. Free shipping means hitching a ride on their regular delivery truck to the store. That happens on their schedule, not yours. Which means you have to wait for their schedule, or pay to have it shipped when you want it. Which means that you pay a penalty for impatience, or if you prefer, you pay a premium for the convenience of quick delivery. Under cab lighting is not an obscure product that few use either. Evidently the demand for it at that store was not high enough that they felt justified in taking up the shelf space. It WAS in the store until recently. And it isn't now. This is not unique: stores change their merchandise all the time, without consulting you or me or, it sometimes seems, any of their customers. Get over it. I couldn't wait because I have a carpenter working and I'm presently disabled, unfortunately. You could say it was my mistake for not calling etc., but it's not like this is a wierd item that few buy. Well, both the Rockler and Woodcraft stores in Indy are pretty well on the other side of town from me, in an area with the city's worst traffic. Unless I'm after something that I *know* they'll have in stock one place or the other (like Titebond), I always call first. Just seems prudent to me. YMMV. I had to order from the catalog to get it in a few days since ordering to store was at best, 2 weeks. I've ordered things from Rockler before, that I didn't want to pay the shipping on. Just call the store and have them put it on their next regular order. They'll call you when it's in. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com) For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter, send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com) For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter, send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com |
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It WAS in the store until recently.
And it isn't now. This is not unique: stores change their merchandise all the time, without consulting you or me or, it sometimes seems, any of their customers. Get over it. Hey, I agree Doug. In my case, if the store doesn't take care of my needs, I don't go back. And they can just get over it. I order from someone that does. My favorite now is Lee Valley and occasionally Lie Nielson. :-) |
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In article m,
(Doug Miller) wrote: In article , Bob Brogan wrote: In article m, (Doug Miller) wrote: He's also paying for being impatient. Didja see this in his post? I'm paying for being impatient? Yes, you are. You said yourself you "had to order from the catalog" because it would take two weeks to get it into the store. Paying for the convenience of getting it in a few days is one way to look at it, paying for not having the patience to wait two weeks is another take on the same situation. My impatience as you so cleverly put it was determined by the carpenter I have on site, working. How about I send you the bill for his time to wait some portion of two weeks? I also have no reason to think that they would remove ALL lighting from the store while they've kept loads of other things like knobs, hinges, bits, books and other things that I'm sure don't sell as well. If you looked, the stuff had been in the store and the display was still there and I'd bought it before. I did see that. I agree with Charlie that it's unreasonable to expect the store to still have in stock today the same stuff that it had in stock in 1998. I don't think you get it. It's not like they have UC lighting and just not what item or model I wanted. They had NONE, but the section was still there. The SA said it was some new person's decision and that, amongst other things made him quit and was leaving in 4 days. Do you get the idea that there are bigger problems when the sales guy quits because of problems like this? He also alluded to other customer problems like this. I also said that if ordered to the store it would take at least 2 weeks to get there. That is no being impatient. I can order from Lee Valley and it's shipped in 24-36 hrs. And you can order from Rockler and have it shipped to your home in 24-36 hours also. But if you want it sent to a Rockler *store* you need to wait until they have a truck going to the store. I shouldn't have to pay for things that should be in the store which were removed by some management droid based on his desires as revealed by the sales associate. Remember, this SA had other problems over the same thing and tried to get the guy to change things. He wouldn't making the SA's job difficult, so the SA quit as he told me that customers were complaining and he didn't like having to answser the problems he didn't create. That says something. Why should Rockler be so much longer unless there's problems? Because when you *pay* for the shipping, they'll send it wherever you want, whenever you want. Free shipping means hitching a ride on their regular delivery truck to the store. That happens on their schedule, not yours. Which means you have to wait for their schedule, or pay to have it shipped when you want it. Which means that you pay a penalty for impatience, or if you prefer, you pay a premium for the convenience of quick delivery. Free shipping = 2 weeks(maybe) in time. Not always a good trade. In this case, you're forgetting there is a cabinetmaker working on site. Under cab lighting is not an obscure product that few use either. Evidently the demand for it at that store was not high enough that they felt justified in taking up the shelf space. Not according to the SA who allueded to other similar problems and was quitting over it. It WAS in the store until recently. And it isn't now. This is not unique: stores change their merchandise all the time, without consulting you or me or, it sometimes seems, any of their customers. Get over it. Have you ever managed a retail store? I have. They put extra crap in the place where the "lighting" stuff was. Not a new product. I couldn't wait because I have a carpenter working and I'm presently disabled, unfortunately. You could say it was my mistake for not calling etc., but it's not like this is a wierd item that few buy. Well, both the Rockler and Woodcraft stores in Indy are pretty well on the other side of town from me, in an area with the city's worst traffic. Unless I'm after something that I *know* they'll have in stock one place or the other (like Titebond), I always call first. Just seems prudent to me. YMMV. Had it been what I thought to be a low demand item, or obscure thing, I'd have done that. I don't think that UC lights are obsecure as compared to the knobs, bits and other things that are in the store. I don't think I'd buy that, especially in light of the SA's comments of other problems this guy is causing. That is what tells...isn't it? I had to order from the catalog to get it in a few days since ordering to store was at best, 2 weeks. I've ordered things from Rockler before, that I didn't want to pay the shipping on. Just call the store and have them put it on their next regular order. They'll call you when it's in. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com) For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter, send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com) For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter, send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com -- Thanks, Ham |
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And also some cheese to go with his whine???
Quadindad2 wrote: He needs to call the WAAAAA-bulance. |
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Life is tough some times.
-- Rumpty |
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Be glad you have a Rockler. On Long Island we have no woodworkings stores in
Nassau County and only one in Suffolk. Its all mail order here. Bernie "Bob Brogan" wrote in message ... In 98-99 I put an addition on the kitchen and with the new cabinets I went to Rocklear store in Schaumburg, IL. Since I live in Oak Park, it's about a 30-40 min drive in good traffic and perhaps 15-20 miles each way. I purchased their Xenon under cabinet lights with transformers etc. Last week I went to buy another set, the touch switch and some spare bulbs. Get to the store and there's a "lighting section" but no lighting. Ask the sales guy and he says there is some new "CXF" manager and he took out the lighting. That along with other things, the sales guy was quitting on the next Saturday. He looked in some returns if he had the stuff but nada...I had to order from the catalog to get it in a few days since ording to store was at best, 2 weeks. So today I call Rocklear and order the stuff, perhaps a$100+ order. I said to the person on the phone that I didn't think I should have to pay for shipping on the lights since I thought they should have been in the store, since they were. NOPE said her supervisor...so I got to pay for the trip to the store and the shipping, or pay twice! I'm thinking this isn't exactly a good situation...since they have just about everything else in the catalog in the store it appears. -- Thanks, Ham |
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"Bernie Hunt" wrote in message . net... Be glad you have a Rockler. On Long Island we have no woodworkings stores in Nassau County and only one in Suffolk. Its all mail order here. Bernie Yeah - but you have a cool woodworking club... Cheers - Rob |
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When are you guys coming down to see us again? The show is double the size
of last years. We had to move to the Hofsta basketball arena to get room for all the vendors! Better yet, when is the Lee Valley store opening on Long Island? hehehehe. That would be very cool! Bernie "Robin Lee" wrote in message . .. "Bernie Hunt" wrote in message . net... Be glad you have a Rockler. On Long Island we have no woodworkings stores in Nassau County and only one in Suffolk. Its all mail order here. Bernie Yeah - but you have a cool woodworking club... Cheers - Rob |
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I found their Pittsburgh store on their web site, and drove to the listed
address because I didn't want to wait for mail order. I couldn't find the store where they said it should be, so I called the order line. They don't open 'til late April! The dang web site could at least mention that they ain't open, yet! Kevin "Bob Brogan" wrote in message ... In 98-99 I put an addition on the kitchen and with the new cabinets I went to Rocklear store in Schaumburg, IL. Since I live in Oak Park, it's about a 30-40 min drive in good traffic and perhaps 15-20 miles each way. I purchased their Xenon under cabinet lights with transformers etc. Last week I went to buy another set, the touch switch and some spare bulbs. Get to the store and there's a "lighting section" but no lighting. Ask the sales guy and he says there is some new "CXF" manager and he took out the lighting. That along with other things, the sales guy was quitting on the next Saturday. He looked in some returns if he had the stuff but nada...I had to order from the catalog to get it in a few days since ording to store was at best, 2 weeks. So today I call Rocklear and order the stuff, perhaps a$100+ order. I said to the person on the phone that I didn't think I should have to pay for shipping on the lights since I thought they should have been in the store, since they were. NOPE said her supervisor...so I got to pay for the trip to the store and the shipping, or pay twice! I'm thinking this isn't exactly a good situation...since they have just about everything else in the catalog in the store it appears. -- Thanks, Ham |
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Dear Kevin,
I'm excited that you went to visit our new store in Pittsburgh, but am sorry we aren't open yet. We made a mistake on our website - that store page was not supposed to be active yet. Please accept my apologies for wasting your time. I hope you enjoy the store when it's open. If you sign up for the store's e-mail notification list ( http://www.rockler.com/retail/e_news.cfm?&store=31 ) the store manager will send you an e-mail as soon as it is open. Scott Ekman Rockler Internet Director "Kevin Singleton" wrote in message ... I found their Pittsburgh store on their web site, and drove to the listed address because I didn't want to wait for mail order. I couldn't find the store where they said it should be, so I called the order line. They don't open 'til late April! The dang web site could at least mention that they ain't open, yet! Kevin |
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Scott,
Thanks for your response. I signed up, and I'm anxiously awaiting the opening of the new store. Congrats on the growth of your company, despite the state of the economy. Kevin "Scott Ekman" wrote in message om... Dear Kevin, I'm excited that you went to visit our new store in Pittsburgh, but am sorry we aren't open yet. We made a mistake on our website - that store page was not supposed to be active yet. Please accept my apologies for wasting your time. I hope you enjoy the store when it's open. If you sign up for the store's e-mail notification list ( http://www.rockler.com/retail/e_news.cfm?&store=31 ) the store manager will send you an e-mail as soon as it is open. Scott Ekman Rockler Internet Director "Kevin Singleton" wrote in message ... I found their Pittsburgh store on their web site, and drove to the listed address because I didn't want to wait for mail order. I couldn't find the store where they said it should be, so I called the order line. They don't open 'til late April! The dang web site could at least mention that they ain't open, yet! Kevin |
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(Scott Ekman) wrote in
om: Dear Kevin, I'm excited that you went to visit our new store in Pittsburgh, but am sorry we aren't open yet. We made a mistake on our website - that store page was not supposed to be active yet. Please accept my apologies for wasting your time. I hope you enjoy the store when it's open. If you sign up for the store's e-mail notification list ( http://www.rockler.com/retail/e_news.cfm?&store=31 ) the store manager will send you an e-mail as soon as it is open. Scott Ekman Rockler Internet Director "Kevin Singleton" wrote in message ... I found their Pittsburgh store on their web site, and drove to the listed address because I didn't want to wait for mail order. I couldn't find the store where they said it should be, so I called the order line. They don't open 'til late April! The dang web site could at least mention that they ain't open, yet! Kevin Dear Scott: I sure hope you are going to open a new store on Rt 17 in Paramus, NJ soon. Not that I hate to go visit my son in Cambridge, MA, but it really is too far if I just need a few things from the Rockler store on Massachusetts Ave. FYI, I heard that the Gateway store on Rt 17 in Paramus, NJ may be closing. It is a great location! (Note: this is really April 2, it's no April fools joke!) -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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Now I'm impressed. Rockler cruises the wreck. As if I needed another excuse to spend all my money there. -Dan V. On 1 Apr 2004 15:09:53 -0800, (Scott Ekman) wrote: Dear Kevin, I'm excited that you went to visit our new store in Pittsburgh, but am sorry we aren't open yet. We made a mistake on our website - that store page was not supposed to be active yet. Please accept my apologies for wasting your time. I hope you enjoy the store when it's open. If you sign up for the store's e-mail notification list ( http://www.rockler.com/retail/e_news.cfm?&store=31 ) the store manager will send you an e-mail as soon as it is open. Scott Ekman Rockler Internet Director "Kevin Singleton" wrote in message ... I found their Pittsburgh store on their web site, and drove to the listed address because I didn't want to wait for mail order. I couldn't find the store where they said it should be, so I called the order line. They don't open 'til late April! The dang web site could at least mention that they ain't open, yet! Kevin |
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I addition to that, I placed an order via their online catalog on Saturday,
and received everything ordered (including a couple of obscure hardware items) on the Friday following, all for the nominal shipping cost of $8.99, which would have remained the same had I ordered almost $40 more in merchandise, and which included a box more than 4 feet long. The only reason I'll go to the store, which is a long way off, through very heavy traffic, is to fondle ...err, handle the products before purchasing. This is not my first order from Rockler, but it is another example of the very satisfactory service I've received every time I've had the pleasure to do business with them. Since I moved to Pennsylvania, I've been diligently seeking replacements for all the stores I frequented in Dallas, and it's comforting to know that I'll soon have a Rockler store nearby. It's one less change I'll have to endure up here in Yankeeland. Now, where to buy maple, and how come there's no good chili? Kevin "Dan Valleskey" wrote in message om... Now I'm impressed. Rockler cruises the wreck. As if I needed another excuse to spend all my money there. -Dan V. On 1 Apr 2004 15:09:53 -0800, (Scott Ekman) wrote: Dear Kevin, I'm excited that you went to visit our new store in Pittsburgh, but am sorry we aren't open yet. We made a mistake on our website - that store page was not supposed to be active yet. Please accept my apologies for wasting your time. I hope you enjoy the store when it's open. If you sign up for the store's e-mail notification list ( http://www.rockler.com/retail/e_news.cfm?&store=31 ) the store manager will send you an e-mail as soon as it is open. Scott Ekman Rockler Internet Director "Kevin Singleton" wrote in message ... I found their Pittsburgh store on their web site, and drove to the listed address because I didn't want to wait for mail order. I couldn't find the store where they said it should be, so I called the order line. They don't open 'til late April! The dang web site could at least mention that they ain't open, yet! Kevin |
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Had contractors from New England states visit Southern California for
years and invariably the first thing they wanted to know "Where is the nearest Mexican restaraunt?" and usually invited me (thankfully). I reciprocated by taking chicken lobsters and frozen scallops home when visiting their stites. Spent a month outside Boston during a glut of chicken lobsters when dinners were less than $5.00 for a chicken and salad. Less than 20 years ago to put it in context timewise. On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:25:18 -0500, "Kevin Singleton" wrote: Now, where to buy maple, and how come there's no good chili? |
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