Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

On 2/18/2010 8:17 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

That happened about a mile away from where I work! It was pretty surreal
watching NBC news devote the first 10 minutes of their broadcast to something
that happened so close by. I'm just glad to hear there wasn't more loss of
life; that building sustained significant damage!

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Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

But death doesn't get worser and worser each year.

I agree, a sick puppy with a screw loose. Same mentality as Tim
McVeigh: "I'm ****ed so I'll kill some innocent and unrelated people
and babies".

Cowards.

-Zz

On Feb 18, 9:17*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
*Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing his
plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew


Sick absolutely. But considering the current political climate in Austin he
may only be the first to pull a stunt like this.

BTY Austin, how is that metro rail coming along these days, any riders yet?
LOL

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Feb 18, 9:17 pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?


I think he probably burned up his estate, he burned his house down this
morning prior to taking the plane trip. He was up for audit, I suspect the
government pretty much had it all to start with.

"Robatoy" wrote:

Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?

As well it should.

Lew

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy
crashing his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and
taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew


Sick absolutely. But considering the current political climate
in Austin he may only be the first to pull a stunt like this.

BTY Austin, how is that metro rail coming along these days, any
riders yet? LOL


It was just a couple miles from where my son lives and he drove by
the place at Noon. He said that it stunk like oil/chemicals.

--
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ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated, sophisticated,
and articulate person who has absolutely no clue
concerning what they are talking about.
The person is typically a media commentator or politician.

Lew Hodgett wrote:

Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Definitely one sick puppy. Not only did he set his home on fire before
doing this, from the reports, his wife and a young girl assumed to be his
step-daughter were rescued from the blaze.

He posted a manifesto on his web page, apparently he was mad at everybody:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586627,00.html

Apparently some nutjobs in the lamestream media are already trying to make
political hay out of this by claiming his actions are indicative of tea
party ideals. (Huffpo and Dkos sites as well as Washington Post and other
papers intentionally leaving out some of his rant that show animosity toward
capitalism as well as communism). His closing statement:

"The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according
to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each
according to his greed."
is hardly something in concert with either left or right wing ideals -- he
was PO'd at everybody and trying to politicize this is silly.


--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

On Feb 18, 11:25*pm, Mark & Juanita wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote:
*Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

* Definitely one sick puppy. *Not only did he set his home on fire before
doing this, from the reports, his wife and a young girl assumed to be his
step-daughter were rescued from the blaze.

* He posted a manifesto on his web page, apparently he was mad at everybody:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586627,00.html

* Apparently some nutjobs in the lamestream media are already trying to make
political hay out of this by claiming his actions are indicative of tea
party ideals. *(Huffpo and Dkos sites as well as Washington Post and other
papers intentionally leaving out some of his rant that show animosity toward
capitalism as well as communism). *His closing statement:

"The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according
to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each
according to his greed."
*is hardly something in concert with either left or right wing ideals -- he
was PO'd at everybody and trying to politicize this is silly.

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

On Feb 18, 11:40*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Feb 18, 11:25*pm, Mark & Juanita wrote:



Lew Hodgett wrote:
*Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

* Definitely one sick puppy. *Not only did he set his home on fire before
doing this, from the reports, his wife and a young girl assumed to be his
step-daughter were rescued from the blaze.

* He posted a manifesto on his web page, apparently he was mad at everybody:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586627,00.html

* Apparently some nutjobs in the lamestream media are already trying to make
political hay out of this by claiming his actions are indicative of tea
party ideals. *(Huffpo and Dkos sites as well as Washington Post and other
papers intentionally leaving out some of his rant that show animosity toward
capitalism as well as communism). *His closing statement:

"The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according
to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each
according to his greed."
*is hardly something in concert with either left or right wing ideals -- he
was PO'd at everybody and trying to politicize this is silly.

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

The dog ate my comment. Which was:

Nobody likes taxes and there are lunatics on both side of the fence.

Why is there a fence? Who benefits from us not being able to find
common ground?

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Feb 18, 9:17 pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?


I think he probably burned up his estate, he burned his house down this
morning prior to taking the plane trip. He was up for audit, I suspect
the government pretty much had it all to start with.

Thereby depriving his wife and daughter of a house to live in. He was
****ed off at the world. He wanted to hurt as many people as possible.

And get this, HE WAS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER!!! That explains a lot.

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew



Instead of wrecking his plane he could have just become a politician.
You are fast tracked if you don't pay the IRS.

--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

This is a test. Had it been an actual
attack, the warning system wouldn't
have worked.

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...
Snip
Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?


I think he probably burned up his estate, he burned his house down this
morning prior to taking the plane trip. He was up for audit, I suspect
the government pretty much had it all to start with.

Thereby depriving his wife and daughter of a house to live in. He was
****ed off at the world. He wanted to hurt as many people as possible.

And get this, HE WAS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER!!! That explains a lot.

I suspect that he had a life insurance policy that will take care of his
family, IIRC that can not be touched by the IRS.

"Nonny" wrote in message
...


BTY Austin, how is that metro rail coming along these days, any riders
yet? LOL


It was just a couple miles from where my son lives and he drove by the
place at Noon. He said that it stunk like oil/chemicals.


Swingman pointed it out to me this past summer and pointed out that it was
running, but they could not quite figure out how to make it stop. It
reminded me of an electric train display you used to see in store fronts 50
years ago. ;~)

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
...
Definitely one sick puppy. Not only did he set his home on fire before
doing this, from the reports, his wife and a young girl assumed to be his
step-daughter were rescued from the blaze.


Nope, his wife and daughter drove up to the burning house. They were not in
the house at all. No one was in need of rescued except those at the IRS
building.

On 02/19/2010 12:50 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Feb 18, 9:17 pm, "Lew wrote:
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?


I think he probably burned up his estate, he burned his house down this
morning prior to taking the plane trip. He was up for audit, I suspect
the government pretty much had it all to start with.

Thereby depriving his wife and daughter of a house to live in. He was
****ed off at the world. He wanted to hurt as many people as possible.

And get this, HE WAS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER!!! That explains a lot.

Hey, I resemble that remark! He was also a small-time self-employed software engineer,
which isn't a road I'd want to be walking in this day and age.

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the difference between the meanings of the words "to" and "too"?
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On Feb 18, 9:31*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote:
Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?

As well it should.

Lew

Yeah, but what a way to thoroughly screw your family! I kinda wonder
if he expected them to die too.

As of yesterday evening the government seemed reluctant to classify
this as a terrorist attack. I'm not so sure. McVeigh was a
terrorist. Granted, sick and perverted but a terrorist nonetheless.
As one journalist said last evening "If this happened in downtown
Baghdad it would have been classified as a terrorist suicide bombing."

Good point. As Leon pointed out, I hope this doesn't catch on.

RonB

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:11:46 -0600, "Leon"

I suspect that he had a life insurance policy that will take care of his
family, IIRC that can not be touched by the IRS.


I've never seen a life insurance policy that would pay off in the case
of suicide.


Strange that I would know this but most "do" pay off for a suicide however
the stipulation is that the policy has to be held for more than 2 years.

"Leon" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:11:46 -0600, "Leon"

I suspect that he had a life insurance policy that will take care of his
family, IIRC that can not be touched by the IRS.


I've never seen a life insurance policy that would pay off in the case
of suicide.


Strange that I would know this but most "do" pay off for a suicide however
the stipulation is that the policy has to be held for more than 2 years.

But many do not pay out for any kind of illegal act or crime.

On Feb 19, 8:13*am, Steve Turner wrote:
On 02/19/2010 12:50 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:



*wrote in message
...

*wrote in message
....
On Feb 18, 9:17 pm, "Lew *wrote:
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?

I think he probably burned up his estate, he burned his house down this
morning prior to taking the plane trip. *He was up for audit, I suspect
the government pretty much had it all to start with.

Thereby depriving his wife and daughter of a house to live in. *He was
****ed off at the world. He wanted to hurt as many people as possible.

And get this, HE WAS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER!!! That explains a lot.

Hey, I resemble that remark! *He was also a small-time self-employed software engineer,
which isn't a road I'd want to be walking in this day and age.

AIUI, he owned a small software company who hired only "contractors"
and paid on 1099s. The IRS ruled (or was about to) that they were
employees so he had to fork over back withholding and employment
taxes. He played the game, badly, and lost and was ****ed because he
got caught.

On 2/19/2010 8:38 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:11:46 -0600,

I suspect that he had a life insurance policy that will take care of his
family, IIRC that can not be touched by the IRS.


I've never seen a life insurance policy that would pay off in the case
of suicide.


Strange that I would know this but most "do" pay off for a suicide however
the stipulation is that the policy has to be held for more than 2 years.

But many do not pay out for any kind of illegal act or crime.

I always thought that also, but in the past twenty years I've known two
terminal cancer patients that unquestionably committed suicide with
handguns and their wives were well taken care of by the insurance proceeds.

Not that I'd recommend it.

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"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...
policy that would pay off in the case
of suicide.


Strange that I would know this but most "do" pay off for a suicide
however the stipulation is that the policy has to be held for more than 2
years.

But many do not pay out for any kind of illegal act or crime.


I can't testify to that but suicide is and illegal act... ;~)

On 2/18/2010 9:17 PM, Leon wrote:

Sick absolutely. But considering the current political climate in Austin he
may only be the first to pull a stunt like this.

Too damn bad the inhumanity of the act is already fueling an excuse for
libtard's to fall all over themselves, self righteously salivating like
Pavlov's hound.

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On Feb 19, 9:24*am, "Leon" wrote:
"Lee Michaels" wrote in message

...
policy that would pay off in the case

of suicide.

Strange that I would know this but most "do" pay off for a suicide
however the stipulation is that the policy has to be held for more than 2
years.

But many do not pay out for any kind of illegal act or crime.

I can't testify to that but suicide is and illegal act... ;~)

*Attempted* suicide is an illegal act, but I don't believe suicide
is. ;-)

On Feb 19, 10:24*am, "Leon" wrote:
"Lee Michaels" wrote in message

...
policy that would pay off in the case

of suicide.

Strange that I would know this but most "do" pay off for a suicide
however the stipulation is that the policy has to be held for more than 2
years.

But many do not pay out for any kind of illegal act or crime.

I can't testify to that but suicide is and illegal act... ;~)

You kill yourself, you go to jail. That has been THE deterrent for me.

On Feb 19, 10:19*am, Swingman wrote:
On 2/19/2010 8:38 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:





*wrote in message
m...

*wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:11:46 -0600,

I suspect that he had a life insurance policy that will take care of his
family, IIRC that can not be touched by the IRS.

I've never seen a life insurance policy that would pay off in the case
of suicide.

Strange that I would know this but most "do" pay off for a suicide however
the stipulation is that the policy has to be held for more than 2 years.

But many do not pay out for any kind of illegal act or crime.

I always thought that also, but in the past twenty years I've known two
terminal cancer patients that unquestionably committed suicide with
handguns and their wives were well taken care of by the insurance proceeds.

Not that I'd recommend it.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

Health insure companies are like that. They pay out a bonus if you
take a sick person off their payout list. CG (cynical grin)
..
..
Which is why the Canadian government wants the tobacco companies to
keep selling tobacco, because it shortens the life of the smoker
therefore saving untold bezillions in healthcare and social
security.... again..CG

wrote in message
...
On Feb 19, 9:24 am, "Leon" wrote:
"Lee Michaels" wrote in message

...
policy that would pay off in the case

of suicide.

Strange that I would know this but most "do" pay off for a suicide
however the stipulation is that the policy has to be held for more than
2
years.

But many do not pay out for any kind of illegal act or crime.

I can't testify to that but suicide is and illegal act... ;~)

*Attempted* suicide is an illegal act, but I don't believe suicide
is. ;-)

It is part of the procees. You have to attempt to accomplish. LOL

On 2/19/2010 9:28 AM, Robatoy wrote:

You kill yourself, you go to jail. That has been THE deterrent for me.

"tip 'o the hat"

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"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Feb 19, 10:24 am, "Leon" wrote:
"Lee Michaels" wrote in message

...
policy that would pay off in the case

of suicide.

Strange that I would know this but most "do" pay off for a suicide
however the stipulation is that the policy has to be held for more than
2
years.

But many do not pay out for any kind of illegal act or crime.

I can't testify to that but suicide is and illegal act... ;~)

You kill yourself, you go to jail. That has been THE deterrent for me.

Me too, I'd rather go to heaven... ;~)

On Feb 19, 10:34*am, "Leon" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

...
On Feb 19, 10:24 am, "Leon" wrote:

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message

.. .
policy that would pay off in the case

of suicide.

Strange that I would know this but most "do" pay off for a suicide
however the stipulation is that the policy has to be held for more than
2
years.

But many do not pay out for any kind of illegal act or crime.

I can't testify to that but suicide is and illegal act... ;~)

You kill yourself, you go to jail. That has been THE deterrent for me.

Me too, I'd rather go to heaven... ;~)

You already made that deal and there is no way back.

On Feb 19, 10:26*am, Swingman wrote:
On 2/18/2010 9:17 PM, Leon wrote:

Sick absolutely. *But considering the current political climate in Austin he
may only be the first to pull a stunt like this.

Too damn bad the inhumanity of the act is already fueling an excuse for
libtard's to fall all over themselves, self righteously salivating like
Pavlov's hound.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

I farkin' near hurled when I saw a headline that said: "Austin,
isolated case of rage or part of a bigger terrorist plan?"

On 02/19/2010 09:14 AM, wrote:
On Feb 19, 8:13 am, Steve wrote:
On 02/19/2010 12:50 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:



wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Feb 18, 9:17 pm, "Lew wrote:
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?

I think he probably burned up his estate, he burned his house down this
morning prior to taking the plane trip. He was up for audit, I suspect
the government pretty much had it all to start with.

Thereby depriving his wife and daughter of a house to live in. He was
****ed off at the world. He wanted to hurt as many people as possible.

And get this, HE WAS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER!!! That explains a lot.

Hey, I resemble that remark! He was also a small-time self-employed software engineer,
which isn't a road I'd want to be walking in this day and age.

AIUI, he owned a small software company who hired only "contractors"
and paid on 1099s. The IRS ruled (or was about to) that they were
employees so he had to fork over back withholding and employment
taxes. He played the game, badly, and lost and was ****ed because he
got caught.

Yes. I hope I didn't come across as being sympathetic to the guy...

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On 2/19/2010 9:14 AM, wrote:

AIUI, he owned a small software company who hired only "contractors"
and paid on 1099s. The IRS ruled (or was about to) that they were
employees so he had to fork over back withholding and employment
taxes. He played the game, badly, and lost and was ****ed because he
got caught.

It would probably help if you had some understanding of the issue.

What he was ****ed at, the way I read his swan song, was not that he
"got caught", but the rules had been changed during the game, and even
then the big corporations didn't have to play by the same changes and
"get away with it".

And they do ... much of Continental's current baggage handling website
was written by an ex partner of mine who was 1099 contract software
labor during this time period ... with an office, a desk, a cell phone,
etc ... all the accouterments of an "employee".

Things may have changed recently, but at one time that was SOP in many
industries.

I'm not excusing his inhuman act, nor his reasons for committing it, but
he is right about who has to play by which rules in the United
Corporations of America, or Congress, today.

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On 2/19/2010 9:26 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 2/18/2010 9:17 PM, Leon wrote:

Sick absolutely. But considering the current political climate in
Austin he
may only be the first to pull a stunt like this.

Too damn bad the inhumanity of the act is already fueling an excuse for
libtard's to fall all over themselves, self righteously salivating like
Pavlov's hound.

"self-lefteously", not being in the dictionary.

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On Feb 19, 9:34*am, "Leon" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Feb 19, 9:24 am, "Leon" wrote:

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message

.. .
policy that would pay off in the case

of suicide.

Strange that I would know this but most "do" pay off for a suicide
however the stipulation is that the policy has to be held for more than
2
years.

But many do not pay out for any kind of illegal act or crime.

I can't testify to that but suicide is and illegal act... ;~)

*Attempted* suicide is an illegal act, but I don't believe suicide
is. *;-)

It is part of the procees. *You have to attempt to accomplish. *LOL

But if you succeed they won't put you in jail. (If you don't, it's an
excuse to have you committed.)

On Feb 19, 10:24*am, Swingman wrote:
On 2/19/2010 9:14 AM, wrote:

AIUI, he owned a small software company who hired only "contractors"
and paid on 1099s. *The IRS ruled (or was about to) that they were
employees so he had to fork over back *withholding and employment
taxes. *He played the game, badly, and lost and was ****ed because he
got caught.

It would probably help if you had some understanding of the issue.

What he was ****ed at, the way I read his swan song, was not that he
"got caught", but the rules had been changed during the game, and even
then the big corporations didn't have to play by the same changes and
"get away with it".

Wrong. Those rules have been in place for at least a decade. Most
large "tech" corporations will no longer hire contractors directly but
only through contract employers, for *exactly* this reason. Those
employees are paid on a W2, for *exactly* this reason. This is
*nothing* new (it's been 15 years, at least).

And they do ... much of Continental's current baggage handling website
was written by an ex partner of mine who was 1099 contract software
labor during this time period ... with an office, a desk, a cell phone,
etc ... all the accouterments of an "employee".

He wasn't an engineer, or similar, either. Yes, it makes a
difference.

Things may have changed recently, but at one time that was SOP in many
industries.

These particular rules have been in place for a long time. He got
caught and lost everything, including his mind.

I'm not excusing his inhuman act, nor his reasons for committing it, but
he is right about who has to play by which rules in the United
Corporations of America, or Congress, today.

Wrong, in every way. He didn't follow the rules and like a dummy got
strung up.

On 2/19/2010 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Feb 19, 10:24 am, wrote:
On 2/19/2010 9:14 AM, wrote:

AIUI, he owned a small software company who hired only "contractors"
and paid on 1099s. The IRS ruled (or was about to) that they were
employees so he had to fork over back withholding and employment
taxes. He played the game, badly, and lost and was ****ed because he
got caught.

It would probably help if you had some understanding of the issue.

What he was ****ed at, the way I read his swan song, was not that he
"got caught", but the rules had been changed during the game, and even
then the big corporations didn't have to play by the same changes and
"get away with it".

Wrong. Those rules have been in place for at least a decade. Most
large "tech" corporations will no longer hire contractors directly but
only through contract employers, for *exactly* this reason. Those
employees are paid on a W2, for *exactly* this reason. This is
*nothing* new (it's been 15 years, at least).

Wrong, more like 24 years ... like I said, you just proved have no
factual grasp of the time frame, or the issues.

And they do ... much of Continental's current baggage handling website
was written by an ex partner of mine who was 1099 contract software
labor during this time period ... with an office, a desk, a cell phone,
etc ... all the accouterments of an "employee".

He wasn't an engineer, or similar, either. Yes, it makes a
difference.

Not at the time it didn't ... wrong again.

Things may have changed recently, but at one time that was SOP in many
industries.

These particular rules have been in place for a long time. He got
caught and lost everything, including his mind.

I'm not excusing his inhuman act, nor his reasons for committing it, but
he is right about who has to play by which rules in the United
Corporations of America, or Congress, today.

Wrong, in every way. He didn't follow the rules and like a dummy got
strung up.

"got strung up"??

Hard time understanding what you think you read, eh? Take the blinders off.

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On Feb 19, 11:32*am, Swingman wrote:
On 2/19/2010 11:15 AM, wrote:



On Feb 19, 10:24 am, *wrote:
On 2/19/2010 9:14 AM, wrote:

AIUI, he owned a small software company who hired only "contractors"
and paid on 1099s. *The IRS ruled (or was about to) that they were
employees so he had to fork over back *withholding and employment
taxes. *He played the game, badly, and lost and was ****ed because he
got caught.

It would probably help if you had some understanding of the issue.

What he was ****ed at, the way I read his swan song, was not that he
"got caught", but the rules had been changed during the game, and even
then the big corporations didn't have to play by the same changes and
"get away with it".

Wrong. *Those rules have been in place for at least a decade. *Most
large "tech" corporations will no longer hire contractors directly but
only through contract employers, for *exactly* this reason. *Those
employees are paid on a W2, for *exactly* this reason. *This is
*nothing* new (it's been 15 years, at least).

Wrong, more like 24 years ... like I said, you just proved have no
factual grasp of the time frame, or the issues.

Wrong, obviously; 24 years 15 years.

And they do ... much of Continental's current baggage handling website
was written by an ex partner of mine who was 1099 contract software
labor during this time period ... with an office, a desk, a cell phone,
etc ... all the accouterments of an "employee".

He wasn't an engineer, or similar, either. *Yes, it makes a
difference.

Not at the time it didn't ... wrong again.

At the time? 24 years ago? The dufus was in tax trouble for his
recent screw-up.

Things may have changed recently, but at one time that was SOP in many
industries.

These particular rules have been in place for a long time. *He got
caught and lost everything, including his mind.

I'm not excusing his inhuman act, nor his reasons for committing it, but
he is right about who has to play by which rules in the United
Corporations of America, or Congress, today.

Wrong, in every way. *He didn't follow the rules and like a dummy got
strung up.

"got strung up"??

The tax man was in the process of taking everything, yes.

Hard time understanding what you think you read, eh? Take the blinders off.

Wrong.

*Attempted* suicide is an illegal act, but I don't believe suicide
is. *;-)

Attempted suicide -- That means you failed at that too!

Wouldn't that **** you off?

It might just make you want to go out and blow your brains out.

RonB