Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

On 2/18/2010 8:17 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

That happened about a mile away from where I work! It was pretty surreal
watching NBC news devote the first 10 minutes of their broadcast to something
that happened so close by. I'm just glad to hear there wasn't more loss of
life; that building sustained significant damage!

--
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To reply, eat the taco.
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Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

But death doesn't get worser and worser each year.

I agree, a sick puppy with a screw loose. Same mentality as Tim
McVeigh: "I'm ****ed so I'll kill some innocent and unrelated people
and babies".

Cowards.

-Zz

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:56:04 -0800, the infamous Zz Yzx
scrawled the following:

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

But death doesn't get worser and worser each year.

I agree, a sick puppy with a screw loose. Same mentality as Tim
McVeigh: "I'm ****ed so I'll kill some innocent and unrelated people
and babies".

You just had to mention killing babies, didn't you?
"It's for the children!" sigh

But it's one terrorist attack with an actual reason behind it. He's
trying to kickstart the Rev, guys. He realized that he couldn't fix
the broken gov't via the ballot box so he took the next step. Hold
on, boys and girls. TAR II is on the way.

[TAR II is my own (solo) pet name for "The American Revolution #2",
which is, with little doubt, coming to a USA near you soon(?)]

--
"Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt."
-- Clarence Darrow

Larry Jaques wrote:

But it's one terrorist attack with an actual reason behind it. He's
trying to kickstart the Rev, guys. He realized that he couldn't fix
the broken gov't via the ballot box so he took the next step. Hold
on, boys and girls. TAR II is on the way.

[TAR II is my own (solo) pet name for "The American Revolution #2",
which is, with little doubt, coming to a USA near you soon(?)]

We already had a Second American Revolution (1861-65), sometimes called "The
Recent Unplesantness".

We lost.

On Feb 18, 9:17*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
*Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Feb 18, 9:17 pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?


I think he probably burned up his estate, he burned his house down this
morning prior to taking the plane trip. He was up for audit, I suspect the
government pretty much had it all to start with.

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Feb 18, 9:17 pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?


I think he probably burned up his estate, he burned his house down this
morning prior to taking the plane trip. He was up for audit, I suspect
the government pretty much had it all to start with.

Thereby depriving his wife and daughter of a house to live in. He was
****ed off at the world. He wanted to hurt as many people as possible.

And get this, HE WAS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER!!! That explains a lot.

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...
Snip
Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?


I think he probably burned up his estate, he burned his house down this
morning prior to taking the plane trip. He was up for audit, I suspect
the government pretty much had it all to start with.

Thereby depriving his wife and daughter of a house to live in. He was
****ed off at the world. He wanted to hurt as many people as possible.

And get this, HE WAS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER!!! That explains a lot.

I suspect that he had a life insurance policy that will take care of his
family, IIRC that can not be touched by the IRS.

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:11:46 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
scrawled the following:


"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
. ..
Snip
Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?


I think he probably burned up his estate, he burned his house down this
morning prior to taking the plane trip. He was up for audit, I suspect
the government pretty much had it all to start with.

Thereby depriving his wife and daughter of a house to live in. He was
****ed off at the world. He wanted to hurt as many people as possible.

And get this, HE WAS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER!!! That explains a lot.

I suspect that he had a life insurance policy that will take care of his
family, IIRC that can not be touched by the IRS.

Life insurance usually doesn't cover suicide, nor does homeowner's
insurance cover arson by the owner.

--
"Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt."
-- Clarence Darrow

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:11:46 -0600, "Leon"

I suspect that he had a life insurance policy that will take care of his
family, IIRC that can not be touched by the IRS.


I've never seen a life insurance policy that would pay off in the case
of suicide.


Strange that I would know this but most "do" pay off for a suicide however
the stipulation is that the policy has to be held for more than 2 years.

On 02/19/2010 12:50 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Feb 18, 9:17 pm, "Lew wrote:
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?


I think he probably burned up his estate, he burned his house down this
morning prior to taking the plane trip. He was up for audit, I suspect
the government pretty much had it all to start with.

Thereby depriving his wife and daughter of a house to live in. He was
****ed off at the world. He wanted to hurt as many people as possible.

And get this, HE WAS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER!!! That explains a lot.

Hey, I resemble that remark! He was also a small-time self-employed software engineer,
which isn't a road I'd want to be walking in this day and age.

--
So will there ever be a day, throughout the rest of my life, that I
won't encounter in the written word a case of somebody not understanding
the difference between the meanings of the words "to" and "too"?
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On Feb 19, 8:13*am, Steve Turner wrote:
On 02/19/2010 12:50 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:



*wrote in message
...

*wrote in message
....
On Feb 18, 9:17 pm, "Lew *wrote:
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?

I think he probably burned up his estate, he burned his house down this
morning prior to taking the plane trip. *He was up for audit, I suspect
the government pretty much had it all to start with.

Thereby depriving his wife and daughter of a house to live in. *He was
****ed off at the world. He wanted to hurt as many people as possible.

And get this, HE WAS A SOFTWARE ENGINEER!!! That explains a lot.

Hey, I resemble that remark! *He was also a small-time self-employed software engineer,
which isn't a road I'd want to be walking in this day and age.

AIUI, he owned a small software company who hired only "contractors"
and paid on 1099s. The IRS ruled (or was about to) that they were
employees so he had to fork over back withholding and employment
taxes. He played the game, badly, and lost and was ****ed because he
got caught.

"Robatoy" wrote:

Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?

As well it should.

Lew

On Feb 18, 9:31*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote:
Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?

As well it should.

Lew

Yeah, but what a way to thoroughly screw your family! I kinda wonder
if he expected them to die too.

As of yesterday evening the government seemed reluctant to classify
this as a terrorist attack. I'm not so sure. McVeigh was a
terrorist. Granted, sick and perverted but a terrorist nonetheless.
As one journalist said last evening "If this happened in downtown
Baghdad it would have been classified as a terrorist suicide bombing."

Good point. As Leon pointed out, I hope this doesn't catch on.

RonB

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:04:38 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
scrawled the following:

On Feb 18, 9:17*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
*Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Now Stack's estate gets to pay the IRS?

They can keep the plane.

--
"Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt."
-- Clarence Darrow

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing his
plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew


Sick absolutely. But considering the current political climate in Austin he
may only be the first to pull a stunt like this.

BTY Austin, how is that metro rail coming along these days, any riders yet?
LOL

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy
crashing his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and
taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew


Sick absolutely. But considering the current political climate
in Austin he may only be the first to pull a stunt like this.

BTY Austin, how is that metro rail coming along these days, any
riders yet? LOL


It was just a couple miles from where my son lives and he drove by
the place at Noon. He said that it stunk like oil/chemicals.

--
Nonny

ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated, sophisticated,
and articulate person who has absolutely no clue
concerning what they are talking about.
The person is typically a media commentator or politician.

"Nonny" wrote in message
...


BTY Austin, how is that metro rail coming along these days, any riders
yet? LOL


It was just a couple miles from where my son lives and he drove by the
place at Noon. He said that it stunk like oil/chemicals.


Swingman pointed it out to me this past summer and pointed out that it was
running, but they could not quite figure out how to make it stop. It
reminded me of an electric train display you used to see in store fronts 50
years ago. ;~)

On 2/18/2010 9:17 PM, Leon wrote:

Sick absolutely. But considering the current political climate in Austin he
may only be the first to pull a stunt like this.

Too damn bad the inhumanity of the act is already fueling an excuse for
libtard's to fall all over themselves, self righteously salivating like
Pavlov's hound.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Feb 19, 10:26*am, Swingman wrote:
On 2/18/2010 9:17 PM, Leon wrote:

Sick absolutely. *But considering the current political climate in Austin he
may only be the first to pull a stunt like this.

Too damn bad the inhumanity of the act is already fueling an excuse for
libtard's to fall all over themselves, self righteously salivating like
Pavlov's hound.

--www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

I farkin' near hurled when I saw a headline that said: "Austin,
isolated case of rage or part of a bigger terrorist plan?"

On 2/19/2010 9:26 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 2/18/2010 9:17 PM, Leon wrote:

Sick absolutely. But considering the current political climate in
Austin he
may only be the first to pull a stunt like this.

Too damn bad the inhumanity of the act is already fueling an excuse for
libtard's to fall all over themselves, self righteously salivating like
Pavlov's hound.

"self-lefteously", not being in the dictionary.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:26:26 -0600, the infamous Swingman
scrawled the following:

On 2/18/2010 9:17 PM, Leon wrote:

Sick absolutely. But considering the current political climate in Austin he
may only be the first to pull a stunt like this.

Too damn bad the inhumanity of the act is already fueling an excuse for
libtard's to fall all over themselves, self righteously salivating like
Pavlov's hound.

I particularly liked this statement by the Gods of Our Security:
"The FBI launched an investigation and Rep. Michael McCaul, a
Republican from Austin on the Homeland Security Committee, said the
panel will take up the issue of how to better protect buildings from
attacks with planes."

Feh! There goes the price of buildings...

--
"Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt."
-- Clarence Darrow

Lew Hodgett wrote:

Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Definitely one sick puppy. Not only did he set his home on fire before
doing this, from the reports, his wife and a young girl assumed to be his
step-daughter were rescued from the blaze.

He posted a manifesto on his web page, apparently he was mad at everybody:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586627,00.html

Apparently some nutjobs in the lamestream media are already trying to make
political hay out of this by claiming his actions are indicative of tea
party ideals. (Huffpo and Dkos sites as well as Washington Post and other
papers intentionally leaving out some of his rant that show animosity toward
capitalism as well as communism). His closing statement:

"The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according
to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each
according to his greed."
is hardly something in concert with either left or right wing ideals -- he
was PO'd at everybody and trying to politicize this is silly.


--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

On Feb 18, 11:25*pm, Mark & Juanita wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote:
*Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

* Definitely one sick puppy. *Not only did he set his home on fire before
doing this, from the reports, his wife and a young girl assumed to be his
step-daughter were rescued from the blaze.

* He posted a manifesto on his web page, apparently he was mad at everybody:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586627,00.html

* Apparently some nutjobs in the lamestream media are already trying to make
political hay out of this by claiming his actions are indicative of tea
party ideals. *(Huffpo and Dkos sites as well as Washington Post and other
papers intentionally leaving out some of his rant that show animosity toward
capitalism as well as communism). *His closing statement:

"The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according
to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each
according to his greed."
*is hardly something in concert with either left or right wing ideals -- he
was PO'd at everybody and trying to politicize this is silly.

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

On Feb 18, 11:40*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Feb 18, 11:25*pm, Mark & Juanita wrote:



Lew Hodgett wrote:
*Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

* Definitely one sick puppy. *Not only did he set his home on fire before
doing this, from the reports, his wife and a young girl assumed to be his
step-daughter were rescued from the blaze.

* He posted a manifesto on his web page, apparently he was mad at everybody:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586627,00.html

* Apparently some nutjobs in the lamestream media are already trying to make
political hay out of this by claiming his actions are indicative of tea
party ideals. *(Huffpo and Dkos sites as well as Washington Post and other
papers intentionally leaving out some of his rant that show animosity toward
capitalism as well as communism). *His closing statement:

"The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according
to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each
according to his greed."
*is hardly something in concert with either left or right wing ideals -- he
was PO'd at everybody and trying to politicize this is silly.

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

The dog ate my comment. Which was:

Nobody likes taxes and there are lunatics on both side of the fence.

Why is there a fence? Who benefits from us not being able to find
common ground?

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
...
Definitely one sick puppy. Not only did he set his home on fire before
doing this, from the reports, his wife and a young girl assumed to be his
step-daughter were rescued from the blaze.


Nope, his wife and daughter drove up to the burning house. They were not in
the house at all. No one was in need of rescued except those at the IRS
building.

Leon wrote:


"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
...
Definitely one sick puppy. Not only did he set his home on fire before
doing this, from the reports, his wife and a young girl assumed to be his
step-daughter were rescued from the blaze.


Nope, his wife and daughter drove up to the burning house. They were not
in
the house at all. No one was in need of rescued except those at the IRS
building.

I stand corrected. I should know better than to trust mainstream media
reports (AP).



--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew



Instead of wrecking his plane he could have just become a politician.
You are fast tracked if you don't pay the IRS.

--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

This is a test. Had it been an actual
attack, the warning system wouldn't
have worked.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...

Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing his
plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

Apparently the lunatic worked in a field that has a legitimate beef with the
tax code. Many years ago I worked for a guy who took a very loose attitude
towards his business taxes, workers comp payments etc., they slapped him
down repeatedly and finally took control of his payroll to make sure all
payments were made properly. Fortunately he didn't have a pilot's license.

http://www.salon.com/news/joe_stack/..._tax_problem_2

Joe Stack wasn't wrong about the tax code
Even the sponsor of the 1986 amendment that punished thousands of software
programmers realized it was a mistake

That 1986 change in the tax code that Joe Stack, the suicidal pilot who
crashed his plane into an IRS building on Thursday, cited as a primal
grievance in his online manifesto? According to David Cay Johnston, writing
in the New York Times, Stack's beef was legit: the law "made it extremely
difficult for information technology professionals to work as self-employed
individuals, forcing most to become company employees."

And the original reason for the law, well, one can understand why some
people would find it a little crazy-making.

The law was sponsored by Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Democrat of New
York, as a favor to I.B.M., which wanted a $60 million tax break on its
overseas business.

Under budget rules in effect at the time, any tax breaks had to be paid for
with new revenues. By requiring software engineers to be employees, a
Congressional report estimated, income and payroll taxes would rise by $60
million a year because employees had few opportunities to cheat on their
taxes.

Within a year, however, Moynihan changed his mind, and unsuccessfully sought
for the law's repeal.

The Times inexplicably does not link back to Johnston's much longer article
exposing the law in 1998. In that piece, Johnston extensively documented
the devastating effect the law had on software programmers who wanted to set
up their own shop.

As for the accusation, cited yesterday in my post, that the law was
originally designed to crack down on illegal tax shelters? Harvey Shulman, a
Washington lawyer who Johnston describes as specializing in representing
"companies that supported the desires of software engineers to be
independent contractors," sent an e-mail to Salon contesting the rationale.

To the contrary, there was no such evidence (and there are Department of
Treasury documents, obtained in 1987-88 under FOIA, which show the true
genesis of this law); indeed a Congressionally-mandated study of Section
1706 resulted in an unbiased government report of about 100 pages (1988)
which, along with other studies, found that tax compliance by these
self-employed workers was actually higher than most other types of
workers -- and that the enactment of Section 1706 probably did not generate
any additional tax revenue and may, in fact, have led to revenue losses (due
to the favorable tax treatment accorded many employee benefits which was not
accorded to self-employed workers).

It doesn't need belaboring that 99 percent of the software engineers
negatively affected by Moynihan's amendment to the tax code did not end up
as tax protesting kamikaze pilots. But the final kicker to Johnston's update
of the story nevertheless provokes a chill.

On Wednesday, the day before Andrew Joseph Stack III left his suicide note
and crashed the plane into the building in Austin, the Obama administration
proposed a widespread crackdown on all types of independent contractors in
an effort to raise $7 billion in tax revenue over 10 years.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:17:32 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:

Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew




We don't need to fight terrorism on the other side of the earth when
it exists within the United States. Am I supposed to fear folks that
hate the IRS?

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:55:13 -0500, the infamous Phisherman
scrawled the following:

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:17:32 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:

Andrew Joseph Stack III, 53 was definitely one sick puppy crashing
his plane into an IRS office in Austin, TX.

Wasn't it Ben Franklin that once said something about death and taxes?

Mr Stack didn't feel he was obligated to pay his taxes.

Hell of a way to take out his frustrations.

Lew

We don't need to fight terrorism on the other side of the earth when
it exists within the United States.

Are you saying that we should ignore terrorism everywhere but here?

What ****es me off is that the Army didn't authorize, for 3 years, the
extra pay for the National Guard units which were sent over to Iraq
for extreme extended duty in 2007. One local couple is owed $8k while
the gov't has been paying the Blackwater, etc. troopers betweeen $68k
and $200k per year.


Am I supposed to fear folks that hate the IRS?

Only if you're -in- the particular IRS office at the time they decided
to "get even", Fishy.

--
"Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt."
-- Clarence Darrow