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Can you identify type of wood from late 1700's and mid 1800's??
On 1/31/2010 12:06 AM, blueman wrote:
Please help me identify the types of wood flooring in my house. The main part of the house was built in about the 1860's in Massachusetts while the guest room and kitchen areas were built in the late 1700's. The floors are unstained and all were sanded and coated with semi-gloss oil-based polyurethane about 5 years ago (except for the guest room). 1. 1st floor and 2nd floor hall (1860's) (I believe both are the same wood, though correct me if I am wrong) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-1st_floor.jpg http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-2nd_floor.jpg 2. 2nd floor bedroom and 3rd floor hall (1860's) (I believe both are the same wood, though correct me if I am wrong) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-...or_bedroom.jpg http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-3rd_floor.jpg 3. 1st floor stairs (1860's) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-1st_floor_steps.jpg 4. 2nd floor stairs (1860's or may have be redone) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-2nd_floor_steps.jpg 5. Guest room (late 1700's) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-2nd_floor_guest.jpg 6. Kitchen (flooring is new) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-Kitchen.jpg Looks very much like old growth heart pine ... some of it matched vertical grain (quarter sawn). -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Can you identify type of wood from late 1700's and mid 1800's??
Swingman writes:
On 1/31/2010 12:06 AM, blueman wrote: Please help me identify the types of wood flooring in my house. The main part of the house was built in about the 1860's in Massachusetts while the guest room and kitchen areas were built in the late 1700's. The floors are unstained and all were sanded and coated with semi-gloss oil-based polyurethane about 5 years ago (except for the guest room). 1. 1st floor and 2nd floor hall (1860's) (I believe both are the same wood, though correct me if I am wrong) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-1st_floor.jpg http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-2nd_floor.jpg 2. 2nd floor bedroom and 3rd floor hall (1860's) (I believe both are the same wood, though correct me if I am wrong) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-...or_bedroom.jpg http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-3rd_floor.jpg 3. 1st floor stairs (1860's) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-1st_floor_steps.jpg 4. 2nd floor stairs (1860's or may have be redone) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-2nd_floor_steps.jpg 5. Guest room (late 1700's) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-2nd_floor_guest.jpg 6. Kitchen (flooring is new) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-Kitchen.jpg Looks very much like old growth heart pine ... some of it matched vertical grain (quarter sawn). Based on color and grain, I had thought that the 3rd floor hall and 2nd floor bedroom along with probably the 2nd floor guest room (and maybe even the stairs) were pine. But I am surprised that the 1st and 2nd floor hall flooring is also pine. The grain is so much tighter and straighter and the color so much more orange (vs. the yellow of the other pine) that I was sure it must be a different wood. Could the difference all be explained by being quarter sawn? The fact that the first and 2nd floor halls (which are the same as the dining room, living room, parlor) is a "better" wood and/or cut makes sense since the old-time Yankees were known to be "cheap" - putting the best wood in the most public spaces. Similarly, the (new) kitchen floor looks very different - based on color, grain pattern, and presence of streaks of sapwood. I had thought maybe it was fir but that was just a guess. In any case, it looks very different from all the other woods. Unfortunately, all the floors are quite soft and susceptible to scratching and denting... which would be consistent with woods like pine. |
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Can you identify type of wood from late 1700's and mid 1800's??
blueman wrote:
Swingman writes: On 1/31/2010 12:06 AM, blueman wrote: Please help me identify the types of wood flooring in my house. The main part of the house was built in about the 1860's in Massachusetts while the guest room and kitchen areas were built in the late 1700's. The floors are unstained and all were sanded and coated with semi-gloss oil-based polyurethane about 5 years ago (except for the guest room). 1. 1st floor and 2nd floor hall (1860's) (I believe both are the same wood, though correct me if I am wrong) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-1st_floor.jpg http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-2nd_floor.jpg 2. 2nd floor bedroom and 3rd floor hall (1860's) (I believe both are the same wood, though correct me if I am wrong) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-...or_bedroom.jpg http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-3rd_floor.jpg 3. 1st floor stairs (1860's) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-1st_floor_steps.jpg 4. 2nd floor stairs (1860's or may have be redone) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-2nd_floor_steps.jpg 5. Guest room (late 1700's) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-2nd_floor_guest.jpg 6. Kitchen (flooring is new) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-Kitchen.jpg Looks very much like old growth heart pine ... some of it matched vertical grain (quarter sawn). Based on color and grain, I had thought that the 3rd floor hall and 2nd floor bedroom along with probably the 2nd floor guest room (and maybe even the stairs) were pine. But I am surprised that the 1st and 2nd floor hall flooring is also pine. The grain is so much tighter and straighter and the color so much more orange (vs. the yellow of the other pine) that I was sure it must be a different wood. Could the difference all be explained by being quarter sawn? The fact that the first and 2nd floor halls (which are the same as the dining room, living room, parlor) is a "better" wood and/or cut makes sense since the old-time Yankees were known to be "cheap" - putting the best wood in the most public spaces. Similarly, the (new) kitchen floor looks very different - based on color, grain pattern, and presence of streaks of sapwood. I had thought maybe it was fir but that was just a guess. In any case, it looks very different from all the other woods. Unfortunately, all the floors are quite soft and susceptible to scratching and denting... which would be consistent with woods like pine. And inconsistent w/ SYP which is significantly harder than the white pines. I couldn't see all the pictures (w/ dialup the resolution was such as didn't want to wait) but I'd take Swing's take seriously based on what I did look at. OK, I did look at the new kitchen just now -- same comment as before wish could see w/o the glare and the finish. It's outside possible fir; if so it should be significantly harder than the pine. But, the finish is such I'd not rule out pine--it's random cut; you can see some are pretty narrow quarter-sawn while other is face grain. The marked contrast there is a hint towards the fir I'll grant. Again, there's quite a lot of glare and the yellow cast is mostly finish/lighting I wager?? -- |
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Can you identify type of wood from late 1700's and mid 1800's??
It all looks like southern yellow pine, to me. Pretty common flooring in
"common folk" housing straight through to the early 1900's (the 20's or so). It's harder than most pine and despite the "southern" designation, it grew up and down the eastern seaboard. The kitchen night be fir but I doubt it. The only 2 things that stick out about it is they are all even width (3"?) and there is some sapwood in it. All of the other rooms are all heartwood and random width. None of it is cherry, for sure. Ed "blueman" wrote in message ... Swingman writes: On 1/31/2010 12:06 AM, blueman wrote: Please help me identify the types of wood flooring in my house. The main part of the house was built in about the 1860's in Massachusetts while the guest room and kitchen areas were built in the late 1700's. The floors are unstained and all were sanded and coated with semi-gloss oil-based polyurethane about 5 years ago (except for the guest room). 1. 1st floor and 2nd floor hall (1860's) (I believe both are the same wood, though correct me if I am wrong) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-1st_floor.jpg http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-2nd_floor.jpg 2. 2nd floor bedroom and 3rd floor hall (1860's) (I believe both are the same wood, though correct me if I am wrong) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-...or_bedroom.jpg http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-3rd_floor.jpg 3. 1st floor stairs (1860's) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-1st_floor_steps.jpg 4. 2nd floor stairs (1860's or may have be redone) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-2nd_floor_steps.jpg 5. Guest room (late 1700's) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-2nd_floor_guest.jpg 6. Kitchen (flooring is new) http://96.252.37.8:8080/public/Wood-Kitchen.jpg Looks very much like old growth heart pine ... some of it matched vertical grain (quarter sawn). Based on color and grain, I had thought that the 3rd floor hall and 2nd floor bedroom along with probably the 2nd floor guest room (and maybe even the stairs) were pine. But I am surprised that the 1st and 2nd floor hall flooring is also pine. The grain is so much tighter and straighter and the color so much more orange (vs. the yellow of the other pine) that I was sure it must be a different wood. Could the difference all be explained by being quarter sawn? The fact that the first and 2nd floor halls (which are the same as the dining room, living room, parlor) is a "better" wood and/or cut makes sense since the old-time Yankees were known to be "cheap" - putting the best wood in the most public spaces. Similarly, the (new) kitchen floor looks very different - based on color, grain pattern, and presence of streaks of sapwood. I had thought maybe it was fir but that was just a guess. In any case, it looks very different from all the other woods. Unfortunately, all the floors are quite soft and susceptible to scratching and denting... which would be consistent with woods like pine. |
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