http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs

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On Jan 27, 6:41*pm, Swingman wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs

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That's some pretty funny **** right there.

On 1/27/2010 7:13 PM, Robatoy wrote:
On Jan 27, 6:41 pm, wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs

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That's some pretty funny **** right there.

Nailed it! ... of all the folks here I figured you would "get it" first!

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On Jan 27, 8:21*pm, Swingman wrote:
On 1/27/2010 7:13 PM, Robatoy wrote:

On Jan 27, 6:41 pm, *wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs

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That's some pretty funny **** right there.

Nailed it! ... of all the folks here I figured you would "get it" first!

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There's one going around which is also funny: "Sure the iPad is
lightweight and slim, but can you swim with it?"

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On 1/27/2010 7:13 PM, Robatoy wrote:
On Jan 27, 6:41 pm, wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs

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That's some pretty funny **** right there.

Nailed it! ... of all the folks here I figured you would "get it" first!



But does it prevent "estrogen puddles" ? :~)

On 1/27/2010 5:41 PM, Swingman wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs

Funny - and there is this, which isn't...

http://www.defectivebydesign.org/ipad

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Morris Dovey wrote:

On 1/27/2010 5:41 PM, Swingman wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs

Funny - and there is this, which isn't...

http://www.defectivebydesign.org/ipad


Kind of like the Kindle, eh?

Some other things not so cool:
1) No flash support
2) Only allows you to run a single application at a time

More like an iPhone on steroids than a real computer.

From the name to the features, this doesn't seem like one of Apple's best
thought-out ideas. Come on, *nobody* in marketing thought through the
implications of naming this the "iPad"?


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On 2010-01-29 22:54:20 -0500, Mark & Juanita said:

Some other things not so cool:
1) No flash support

Flash is the largest cause of freezes in web browsing. Now, If we're
also going to kick about Apple's DRM controlling/limiting access to the
known world, it's worth noting that Flash is proprietary to Adobe.

Plus, Flash just generally sucks, even when used in other Abobe
products. http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/

As of yet, iPod on steroids is a fair summation of the first (and as
yet not on the market) generation iPad. It's not intended as a
computer; it's an information appliance that fits between two market
segments -- the smart phone and the laptop. And Apple has lined up 5
major publishers, and has brought a ray of hope to magazine and
newspaper publishers.

http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/various_ipad_thoughts
http://speirs.org/blog/2010/1/29/future-shock.html
http://cruftbox.com/blog/archives/001592.html#001592

In spite of all that, I doubt I'll be buying an iPad. I know I won't be
buying a Kindle. I prefer my books on real real paper, not on aetheric
vapours.

But let's see how it shakes out.

BTW, Sun Microsystems (remember them?) is history.

"Steve" wrote in message
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On 2010-01-29 22:54:20 -0500, Mark & Juanita said:

Some other things not so cool:
1) No flash support

Flash is the largest cause of freezes in web browsing. Now, If we're also
going to kick about Apple's DRM controlling/limiting access to the known
world, it's worth noting that Flash is proprietary to Adobe.

Plus, Flash just generally sucks, even when used in other Abobe products.
http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/

As of yet, iPod on steroids is a fair summation of the first (and as yet
not on the market) generation iPad. It's not intended as a computer; it's
an information appliance

IT'S TWO, ***TWO*** APPLIANCES IN ONE!!

And, if you order before midnight we'll send you absolutely free this
$19.95 HF knockoff of a SawStop!! Yes, That's Right!! Just pay the low S&H
of $2495.00.

On 1/30/2010 2:22 AM, Steve wrote:
On 2010-01-29 22:54:20 -0500, Mark & Juanita said:

Some other things not so cool:
1) No flash support

Flash is the largest cause of freezes in web browsing. Now, If we're
also going to kick about Apple's DRM controlling/limiting access to the
known world, it's worth noting that Flash is proprietary to Adobe.

Plus, Flash just generally sucks, even when used in other Abobe
products. http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/

According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is dying
to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will have none of it.

http://www.crankygeeks.com/2010/01/e...pad_tablet.php

I personally think the iPad, or more to the point, its future
iterations, may have a better shot at overall acceptance as an e-book
reader, among its many other capabilities, than the Kindle or Nook in
the long run.

I've been into e-book reader technology since the early 90's and am
continually amazed at the re-inventing of the wheel of the likes of
Amazon, B&N, and Sony, and their failure to take the past "lessons
learned" of Nuvo Media, Franklin and GemStar into account in their
current business models.

In my opinion, the iTunes store, with its content delivery, will make
the difference with the iPad, despite the DRM concerns.

I have two albums myself for sale on iTunes, and a number in which I was
involved in the production, and have been more than happy with their
returns with Apple's "DRM free" performance on Itunes.

It should also lend itself to future use in schools, with textbook
content a likely possibility, and with a much better chance of adherence
to the ADA than the current crop of devices.

I also like the fact that the iPad is NOT e-ink technology. The LED
screen means I can view it at night, in bed, without a separate night
light, and that it will turn itself off after a period of non use. It is
also more eco friendly ... IME, it's the little 'convenience of use'
issues like that can make the difference between success and failure
with this type of technology.

Basically, it appears to me that the iPad could well be the first step
on the path to making this type of techology, and it benefits, ubiquitous.

Jobs, unlike other players in the game, seems to always build upon past
successes ... it is this "standing on the shoulders of the giants who
came before" that seperate his particular vision from the pack, like him
or not.

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On 1/30/2010 10:04 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In , Swingman
wrote:

According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is dying
to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will have none of it.

Dvorak aside, Flash is an abomination. H.264 and/or HTML 5 will
hopefully push it into the pit it deserves to live in.

Yabbut, it's the dumb ass kiddie web designers using the wrong tool for
the job and trying to build the entire farking website with flash that
give it much of its bad name, although I agree that it, and Silverlight,
are pretty much toast for the far future.

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"Dave Balderstone" wrote in message
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In article , Swingman
wrote:

According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is dying
to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will have none of
it.

Dvorak aside, Flash is an abomination. H.264 and/or HTML 5 will
hopefully push it into the pit it deserves to live in.

I recently had to order some items by phone because the website kept
freezing. Infact I could only research the items on an old site that ran
glacially slow. When discussing this problem with the lady on the phone she
said tha the problem had started six weeks ago and their "webguy" couldn't
figure out the problem. They were worried because of all the complaints and
decreased sales.

I asked her if they had any design work done on their website recently. And,
of course, the "image overhaul" got done just before the problems started.
And these geniuses did not make the connection. Duhhhh......

I mentioned that I got some error messages concerning Flash. I told her a
couple Flash horror stories. She had never heard of Flash before. I also
told her that many designers were in love with Flash and were ****ing people
off all over the place. And not to expect them to be honest about it. She
was frantically writing notes and was going to take it to her boss. The boss
was getting upset that the web people were not solving the problem.

A classic example of an artsy fartsy designer screwing it up for everybody.
Hopefully they will take this"web designer" out and shoot him. The world
will be a better place for all of us.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:04:29 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:

In article , Swingman
wrote:

According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is dying
to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will have none of it.

Dvorak aside, Flash is an abomination. H.264 and/or HTML 5 will
hopefully push it into the pit it deserves to live in.


I dont think the pdf format is going away, it is the standard document
format. I have serious doubts the iPad will make it, Apple set the
price too high (again).

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:04:29 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
scrawled the following:

In article , Swingman
wrote:

According to Dvorak, et al, in "Cranky Geeks" this week, Adobe is dying
to get flash onto the iPad, but the megalomaniac Jobs will have none of it.

Dvorak aside, Flash is an abomination. H.264 and/or HTML 5 will
hopefully push it into the pit it deserves to live in.

Small Flash animations are fine. Flash sites suck the big one.

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you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.
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Steve wrote in news:4b63ec3c$0$5105
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*snip*


In spite of all that, I doubt I'll be buying an iPad. I know I won't be
buying a Kindle. I prefer my books on real real paper, not on aetheric
vapours.


*snip*

Have you had a chance to read a book on a Kindle? It's not worth buying
yet, but the reading experience is quite good. (I want the DX model that
can display PDFs. Electronic manuals on a portable device would help quite
a bit when the computer's far away.)

Slightly OT: PDF is usually disappointing, it can be done well but rarely
is. Most companies scan and release documents as PDF. (That's why I call
it Printing Document Format)

Puckdropper

"Puckdropper" puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in message
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Steve wrote in news:4b63ec3c$0$5105
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Have you had a chance to read a book on a Kindle? It's not worth buying
yet, but the reading experience is quite good. (I want the DX model that
can display PDFs. Electronic manuals on a portable device would help
quite
a bit when the computer's far away.)

Slightly OT: PDF is usually disappointing, it can be done well but rarely
is. Most companies scan and release documents as PDF. (That's why I call
it Printing Document Format)


I watched with interest the Kindle however IMHO when compared to the Nook if
comes in second. The Nook also allows PDF but also allows you to upgrade
memory with off the shelf products and you can also replace the battery
yourself when the time comes. I see little desire for the current Sony.
The I-Pad seems to be more bang for your buck in so much that it appears to
be a better back lit color reader plus internet access and e-mail access
along with all the apps that can be added. Still a netbook computer can do
all of that too, for a lot less.

On 1/30/2010 11:58 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
wrote in news:4b63ec3c$0$5105
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*snip*


In spite of all that, I doubt I'll be buying an iPad. I know I won't be
buying a Kindle. I prefer my books on real real paper, not on aetheric
vapours.


*snip*

Have you had a chance to read a book on a Kindle? It's not worth buying
yet, but the reading experience is quite good. (I want the DX model that
can display PDFs. Electronic manuals on a portable device would help quite
a bit when the computer's far away.)

I'm not impressed with the Kindle in the least. The Nook, because it is
more format options, would get the edge at the moment, but that
notwithstanding, neither of these johnny-come-lately's "get it", IMO.

In 1998 I purchased four, for our company's two tech personnel, as well
as myself and partner, of Nuvo Media's "Rocket eBook" to store and read
html tech documents, including all Internet RFC's, and DNS/BIND
documents ... it worked out very well for the next seven years and we
were still using them when we shut company down in 2005.

(I also used mine onstage a time or two for chord charts ...worked out
great on a dimly lit stage ... and to this day I read on it nightly, in
bed, getting all my content for the last ten years from Project Gutenberg)

Ideally, these thing should be like razors ... the device itself should
be free, and you buy the content.

They should all be non-proprietary as to format, allowing pdf, html,
and, _above all_, *user created* content to be used.

This will happen ... the problem now is freeing the archaic thought
process/business model of the "publishers" of the world.

That's why I think Apple's iTunes model, which showed music publishers
that another way of doing business was not going to put them out of
business, may play a pivotal role in the acceptance of these devices.

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Steve wrote:

On 2010-01-29 22:54:20 -0500, Mark & Juanita said:

Some other things not so cool:
1) No flash support

Flash is the largest cause of freezes in web browsing. Now, If we're
also going to kick about Apple's DRM controlling/limiting access to the
known world, it's worth noting that Flash is proprietary to Adobe.

Plus, Flash just generally sucks, even when used in other Abobe
products. http://adobegripes.tumblr.com/


While that may be true, the fact that a significant portion of web
content is distributed via flash (i.e, YouTube, Viddler, various news
videos), not supporting flash is somewhat debilitating to those using this
device for web browsing.



As of yet, iPod on steroids is a fair summation of the first (and as
yet not on the market) generation iPad. It's not intended as a
computer; it's an information appliance that fits between two market
segments -- the smart phone and the laptop. And Apple has lined up 5
major publishers, and has brought a ray of hope to magazine and
newspaper publishers.

http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/various_ipad_thoughts
http://speirs.org/blog/2010/1/29/future-shock.html
http://cruftbox.com/blog/archives/001592.html#001592

In spite of all that, I doubt I'll be buying an iPad. I know I won't be
buying a Kindle. I prefer my books on real real paper, not on aetheric
vapours.

But let's see how it shakes out.

BTW, Sun Microsystems (remember them?) is history.

... and how Oracle will control both the opensource database and Java are
going to be quite interesting. Larry Ellison is not known for open-ness

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Rob Leatham

On 1/29/10 10:54 PM, "Mark & Juanita" wrote:

Some other things not so cool:
1) No flash support

This is a good thing. Flash should die and be replaced by HTML 5.

2) Only allows you to run a single application at a time

Not completely true. On the iPhone, built in apps do multi-task, just not
third party ones.


More like an iPhone on steroids than a real computer.

It doesn't seem targeted at that. It is described as a new class of device,
not a smart phone and not a laptop.

Now it may be that this new class doesn't meet your needs. I'm not convinced
that I want one myself. But recognize that Apple is pitching this as
something different.

Robert Haar wrote:
On 1/29/10 10:54 PM, "Mark & Juanita" wrote:

Some other things not so cool:
1) No flash support

This is a good thing. Flash should die and be replaced by HTML 5.

When the browsers that most people use support it then perhaps it will come
into widespread use.

2) Only allows you to run a single application at a time

Not completely true. On the iPhone, built in apps do multi-task, just
not third party ones.

Didn't those morons learn anything from the pre-OSX Mac?

More like an iPhone on steroids than a real computer.

It doesn't seem targeted at that. It is described as a new class of
device, not a smart phone and not a laptop.

Now it may be that this new class doesn't meet your needs. I'm not
convinced that I want one myself. But recognize that Apple is
pitching this as something different.

But what? If they can't tell you what it does for you in a single sentence
then they're fighting an uphill battle. So far the only simple summary I
can think of is "ipad--it looks cool".

On Jan 31, 10:22*am, "J. Clarke" wrote:

*So far the only simple summary I
can think of is "ipad--it looks cool".

That's all it takes to make it desirable. Jobs will sell millions.
It's all about style.
But, I think it missed one very important feature. Can't stick in a
DVD and watch a movie.

Robert Haar wrote in
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*snip*


It doesn't seem targeted at that. It is described as a new class of
device, not a smart phone and not a laptop.

Now it may be that this new class doesn't meet your needs. I'm not
convinced that I want one myself. But recognize that Apple is pitching
this as something different.


Sorta like something a person can carry around with them and keep track of
their appointments, contacts, and business notes? Look Apple's invented
the PDA!

Sure would be interested if it was Newton reincarnated. Sounds like it's
got a lot of the features I'd include if I could redesign it.

Puckdropper

Robert Haar wrote:

On 1/29/10 10:54 PM, "Mark & Juanita" wrote:

Some other things not so cool:
1) No flash support

This is a good thing. Flash should die and be replaced by HTML 5.

That's a fine sentiment. But if someone who happens to own an iPad *now*
(or when it really ships) and wants to view a web page *now* with content
that is important to them *now* that just happens to include a flash vid or
other flash content, that's more than a bit of a problem, isn't it?


2) Only allows you to run a single application at a time

Not completely true. On the iPhone, built in apps do multi-task, just not
third party ones.


Again, this is all well and good if everything one is wanting to do
happens to be built-in.


More like an iPhone on steroids than a real computer.

It doesn't seem targeted at that. It is described as a new class of
device, not a smart phone and not a laptop.

Now it may be that this new class doesn't meet your needs. I'm not
convinced that I want one myself. But recognize that Apple is pitching
this as something different.

Then they need to start making a case for how this new wonderful thing
that doesn't do what people expect is really better because of the different
things it does do. Hopefully for Apple, those different things people can
do are things that people want to do.




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Rob Leatham

On 2010-01-31 17:07:39 -0500, Mark & Juanita said:

But if someone who happens to own an iPad *now* (or when it really
ships) and wants to view a web page *now* with content that is
important to them *now* that just happens to include a flash vid or
other flash content, that's more than a bit of a problem, isn't it?

You don't have to wait for your iPad to see video without the noxious
stench of Flash. HTML5 specs implementation by browser:

http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Implemen...n_Web_browsers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...engines_(HTML5)

On 1/31/10 5:07 PM, "Mark & Juanita" wrote:

Robert Haar wrote:

On 1/29/10 10:54 PM, "Mark & Juanita" wrote:

Some other things not so cool:
1) No flash support

This is a good thing. Flash should die and be replaced by HTML 5.

That's a fine sentiment. But if someone who happens to own an iPad *now*
(or when it really ships) and wants to view a web page *now* with content
that is important to them *now* that just happens to include a flash vid or
other flash content, that's more than a bit of a problem, isn't it?

It's more than a sentiment. As long as we accept bad design, there is no
incentive for companies to build good web sites. It's similar to web sites
that require the use of MSIE. I take my business elsewhere and let them know
why they lost a customer. There are very few web site that I have to use,
and for most of those, I have some ability to influence the design.

It's like the saying the the only thing necessary for evil to succeed is for
good men to do nothing.

On 1/31/2010 4:28 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:

Given the chatter over the past few years about how Apple needs to make
a tablet, I wonder why nobody else has stepped into the gap and started
making and marketing them? It's not like the Interweb hasn't been full
of pundits and bloggers screaming about the need for such a product...

Maybe they were waiting for a company that actually knows how to
innovate to create a market they can try to grab a small piece of?

IMO, this guy pretty well hits the nail on the head:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/31/e...e-ipad-launch/

As I said in another post, building on what went before is one of
Apple's strong suits, but much better explained above.

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On Jan 27, 6:41*pm, Swingman wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjU0K8QPhs

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Read this....

http://tinyurl.com/ygf34y9

Robatoy wrote in news:a059508a-f618-4e54-a8e0-
:

Read this....

http://tinyurl.com/ygf34y9


"Sorry, we can't find that page"

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On Feb 2, 3:24*pm, Han wrote:
Robatoy wrote in news:a059508a-f618-4e54-a8e0-
:

Read this....

http://tinyurl.com/ygf34y9

"Sorry, we can't find that page"

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Mmm.. try this and mind the wrap.

http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/articl...te-being-right

Robatoy wrote in
:


Mmm.. try this and mind the wrap.

http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/articl...ed-system-some
times-i-hate-being-right

If that doesn't work, try this:
http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/articl...closed-system-
sometimes-i-hate-being-right

The "apostrophe" appears to be a 3-byte wide Unicode character. Why their
software didn't encode it properly or at least use the HTML equivalent, I
don't know.

Puckdropper

Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in
:

Robatoy wrote in
:


Mmm.. try this and mind the wrap.

http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/articl...sed-system-som
e times-i-hate-being-right

If that doesn't work, try this:
http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/articl...99s-closed-sys
tem- sometimes-i-hate-being-right

The "apostrophe" appears to be a 3-byte wide Unicode character. Why
their software didn't encode it properly or at least use the HTML
equivalent, I don't know.

Puckdropper

Now I got there finally via the last url.

The "dystopian" future they're talking about is the Big Brother attitude
that "We will determine what can run on our machine/software".

This has both good and bad effects. In the end we'll see.

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