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I made and tried out my lap joint jig this afternoon and it worked every
bit as well as I'd hoped. That drawing for that is still at http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/LapJigHowTo.jpg and when I have a bit of time I'll turn it into a web page... Encouraged by that, I wondered what other jigs might be built using only the blade kerf width as a measurement. I finally decided that if one kerf width (as in the lap joint jig) was good, two might also be interesting. First thought was a box joint jig, so I did a bit more doodling and came up with this method http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/BoxJigHowTo.jpg This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit of explanation with each drawing. Enjoy! -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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Morris Dovey wrote in :
I made and tried out my lap joint jig this afternoon and it worked every bit as well as I'd hoped. That drawing for that is still at http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/LapJigHowTo.jpg and when I have a bit of time I'll turn it into a web page... Encouraged by that, I wondered what other jigs might be built using only the blade kerf width as a measurement. I finally decided that if one kerf width (as in the lap joint jig) was good, two might also be interesting. First thought was a box joint jig, so I did a bit more doodling and came up with this method http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/BoxJigHowTo.jpg This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit of explanation with each drawing. Enjoy! I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make these and how to use them. I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ... -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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"Han" wrote: I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make these and how to use them. I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ... The easiest box joint jig I've seen to bulid and use is the one in Fred Bingham's book, Practical Yacht Joinery. Lew |
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On Nov 15, 8:35*am, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Han" wrote: I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make these and how to use them. *I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ... The easiest box joint jig I've seen to bulid and use is the one in Fred Bingham's book, Practical Yacht Joinery. Lew I asked Angela to wrap one up for me for Christmas last year after you had mentioned that book about 623 times G Very good, down-to-earth compilation of all kinds of nifty tips and tricks. None of this "and now a couple of passes through the TimeSaver..." bull****. A book where Neanderthal and power-tools meet. A very good recommendation, Lew. Thanks for that. r (Are you sure Fred Bingham isn't your nom-de-plume?) G |
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"Robatoy" wrote: (Are you sure Fred Bingham isn't your nom-de-plume?) If he is still alive, he has got to be at least 100. He was working in a boat shop in the 30's. Lew |
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Robatoy wrote:
A very good recommendation, Lew. Thanks for that. Some things never change: Welcome! Read the FAQ ... mainly so that you will know what a "SWMBO", the various classifications of a "gloat", "jummywood", and "neener" is/are without asking. Be sure to learn the more up-to-date, modern spelling of "Craftsman" ... and how to use Google. Make certain that if you use something besides a Beismeyer or Unifence, you don't mention it. Learning the 99 NEC by heart is not mandatory, but helpful. Know that Leon is gruff, but knowledgeable, Charlie S is both friendly and knowledgeable, Doug W actually does know the NEC by heart, Larry J. is funny ...most of the time, Jon, while he sometimes thinks he's Nahm, is smart enough to use LoneStar Beer in his chili, Walt A. confesses to doing quirky things with wood, but is a helluva storyteller; Lew H. obviously owns stock in a book about yacht joinery, Steve K makes the best planes since Bailey, Eric M plays "Cabinetman" on TV, 'Mark and Juanita' really know their stuff ...but we suspect Mark is just the mouthpiece, and if you are female and young, or have a daughter who is, keep an eagle eye on Apeman at all times. Above all, feel free to initiate weekly political/sociological discussion topics that have absolutely nothing to do with woodworking whenever the whim strikes you, with or without the obligatory "OT" in the subject line. -- http://www.wood-workers.com/users/swingman/ Last update: 5/20/02 /welcome! Trying to remember the guys name who hosted gratis wood-workers.com web sites for wreckers?? -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Swingman said:
Robatoy wrote: A very good recommendation, Lew. Thanks for that. Some things never change: Welcome! Read the FAQ ... mainly so that you will know what a "SWMBO", the various classifications of a "gloat", "jummywood", and "neener" is/are without asking. Be sure to learn the more up-to-date, modern spelling of "Craftsman" ... and how to use Google. Make certain that if you use something besides a Beismeyer or Unifence, you don't mention it. Learning the 99 NEC by heart is not mandatory, but helpful. Know that Leon is gruff, but knowledgeable, Charlie S is both friendly and knowledgeable, Doug W actually does know the NEC by heart, Larry J. is funny ...most of the time, Jon, while he sometimes thinks he's Nahm, is smart enough to use LoneStar Beer in his chili, Walt A. confesses to doing quirky things with wood, but is a helluva storyteller; Lew H. obviously owns stock in a book about yacht joinery, Steve K makes the best planes since Bailey, Eric M plays "Cabinetman" on TV, 'Mark and Juanita' really know their stuff ...but we suspect Mark is just the mouthpiece, and if you are female and young, or have a daughter who is, keep an eagle eye on Apeman at all times. Above all, feel free to initiate weekly political/sociological discussion topics that have absolutely nothing to do with woodworking whenever the whim strikes you, with or without the obligatory "OT" in the subject line. -- http://www.wood-workers.com/users/swingman/ Last update: 5/20/02 /welcome! Trying to remember the guys name who hosted gratis wood-workers.com web sites for wreckers?? Hey, Swing, The link you posted, like so many old links, has been transformed into one of those wretched fake sites full of advertising. Perhaps you could host the original text now that it's defunct. Or Morris, or me. "Wood-Workers.com is for sale. The owner of the domain has it listed for sale for $35,100." Ha! Like that's ever gonna happen. "The registrant of record is now: RareNames, WebReg 738 Main Street, #389 Waltham, MA 02451 US" Para-sites, Inc. Several names on that list I haven't seen in years. Apeman for one. And BTW, what happened to JOAT? Greg G. |
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I'm just a lurker but I learned quick about electrical advice. I hold
a master electricians license and 40 years on the job. Learned real quick to keep quiet. Mike M On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:49:06 -0600, Swingman wrote: Robatoy wrote: A very good recommendation, Lew. Thanks for that. Some things never change: Welcome! Read the FAQ ... mainly so that you will know what a "SWMBO", the various classifications of a "gloat", "jummywood", and "neener" is/are without asking. Be sure to learn the more up-to-date, modern spelling of "Craftsman" ... and how to use Google. Make certain that if you use something besides a Beismeyer or Unifence, you don't mention it. Learning the 99 NEC by heart is not mandatory, but helpful. Know that Leon is gruff, but knowledgeable, Charlie S is both friendly and knowledgeable, Doug W actually does know the NEC by heart, Larry J. is funny ...most of the time, Jon, while he sometimes thinks he's Nahm, is smart enough to use LoneStar Beer in his chili, Walt A. confesses to doing quirky things with wood, but is a helluva storyteller; Lew H. obviously owns stock in a book about yacht joinery, Steve K makes the best planes since Bailey, Eric M plays "Cabinetman" on TV, 'Mark and Juanita' really know their stuff ...but we suspect Mark is just the mouthpiece, and if you are female and young, or have a daughter who is, keep an eagle eye on Apeman at all times. Above all, feel free to initiate weekly political/sociological discussion topics that have absolutely nothing to do with woodworking whenever the whim strikes you, with or without the obligatory "OT" in the subject line. -- http://www.wood-workers.com/users/swingman/ Last update: 5/20/02 /welcome! Trying to remember the guys name who hosted gratis wood-workers.com web sites for wreckers?? |
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On 15 Nov 2009 12:00:31 GMT, the infamous Han
scrawled the following: Morris Dovey wrote in : I made and tried out my lap joint jig this afternoon and it worked every bit as well as I'd hoped. That drawing for that is still at http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/LapJigHowTo.jpg and when I have a bit of time I'll turn it into a web page... Encouraged by that, I wondered what other jigs might be built using only the blade kerf width as a measurement. I finally decided that if one kerf width (as in the lap joint jig) was good, two might also be interesting. First thought was a box joint jig, so I did a bit more doodling and came up with this method http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/BoxJigHowTo.jpg This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit of explanation with each drawing. Enjoy! I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make these and how to use them. I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ... Ditto that. 'Splain, Mo! -- When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. -- Thomas Paine |
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On Nov 15, 9:59*am, Larry Jaques
wrote: On 15 Nov 2009 12:00:31 GMT, the infamous Han scrawled the following: Morris Dovey wrote : I made and tried out my lap joint jig this afternoon and it worked every bit as well as I'd hoped. That drawing for that is still at * *http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/LapJigHowTo.jpg and when I have a bit of time I'll turn it into a web page... Encouraged by that, I wondered what other jigs might be built using only the blade kerf width as a measurement. I finally decided that if one kerf width (as in the lap joint jig) was good, two might also be interesting. First thought was a box joint jig, so I did a bit more doodling and came up with this method * *http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/BoxJigHowTo.jpg This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit of explanation with each drawing. Enjoy! I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make these and how to use them. *I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ... Ditto that. *'Splain, Mo! -- When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Thomas Paine *slowly raising my hand and looking around me feeling a bit awkward*..."I don't quite get it either? |
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Robatoy wrote:
I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make these and how to use them. I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ... Ditto that. 'Splain, Mo! *slowly raising my hand and looking around me feeling a bit awkward*..."I don't quite get it either? IIRC, I believe it was in response to this, which should give you an idea of how the original is used and make the light bulb pop on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ6_S6lZKLI -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Nov 15, 10:10*am, Swingman wrote:
Robatoy wrote: I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make these and how to use them. *I know it SHOULD be self explanatory .... Ditto that. *'Splain, Mo! *slowly raising my hand and looking around me feeling a bit awkward*..."I don't quite get it either? IIRC, I believe it was in response to this, which should give you an idea of how the original is used and make the light bulb pop on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ6_S6lZKLI --www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) The pull-down string on my mental pull-down menu had become temporarily unattached. All better now. (I was looking for complexity, didn't find any. Felt cheated.) |
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On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:10:57 -0600, the infamous Swingman
scrawled the following: Robatoy wrote: I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make these and how to use them. I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ... Ditto that. 'Splain, Mo! *slowly raising my hand and looking around me feeling a bit awkward*..."I don't quite get it either? IIRC, I believe it was in response to this, which should give you an idea of how the original is used and make the light bulb pop on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ6_S6lZKLI I don't see any connection to the KerfMaker in either one of Morris' funkyarse tool drawings. They're more like koans than anything, kwim,V? -- When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. -- Thomas Paine |
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Robatoy said:
On Nov 15, 9:59*am, Larry Jaques wrote: On 15 Nov 2009 12:00:31 GMT, the infamous Han scrawled the following: Morris Dovey wrote : .... Encouraged by that, I wondered what other jigs might be built using only the blade kerf width as a measurement. I finally decided that if one kerf width (as in the lap joint jig) was good, two might also be interesting. First thought was a box joint jig, so I did a bit more doodling and came up with this method * *http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/BoxJigHowTo.jpg This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit of explanation with each drawing. I am really looking forward to the dumb ass explanation of how to make these and how to use them. *I know it SHOULD be self explanatory ... Ditto that. *'Splain, Mo! *slowly raising my hand and looking around me feeling a bit awkward*..."I don't quite get it either? I think Morris is playing around with "kerf width" jigs. Parts A(x) are used solely as kerf width "standards" to set the distance of the pin registration hole of the jig. I could be misunderestimating the jig, but it seems like it would produce rather small pins for a box joint. Seeing as how I can throw together a 1/2" or 3/4" box jig in a few minutes using a dado blade, a couple of scrap oak parts, and the mitre gauge, this seems to primarily be an exercise in "doing it my way." Or I could be absolutely, positively wrong and he has found Nirvana! ;-) Greg G. |
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Greg G. wrote:
I think Morris is playing around with "kerf width" jigs. Parts A(x) are used solely as kerf width "standards" to set the distance of the pin registration hole of the jig. Bingo! I could be misunderestimating the jig, but it seems like it would produce rather small pins for a box joint. Seeing as how I can throw together a 1/2" or 3/4" box jig in a few minutes using a dado blade, a couple of scrap oak parts, and the mitre gauge, this seems to primarily be an exercise in "doing it my way." Or I could be absolutely, positively wrong and he has found Nirvana! ;-) Somewhere between. I originally wanted to make lap joints larger than the KM-1 (I have one on order) can handle, but I was impressed with the simplicity of its principle of operation. When I watched the Bridge City video, my reaction was "Of course! Why haven't I been doing that?". As discussed previously, I have a wobble dado blade and I'm too cheap to spend for a real stacked dado set - and I picked up on the "kerf width" paradigm. For both of my simple jigs, I can use the wobble dado to make the cuts shown in Figures 1 and 5 (and Figure 7 and 8 of the box joint jig) to produce satisfyingly precise joints. (Note that in making the box joint jig, the cut-off from Fig 6 is glued into the slot cut in Fig 7 to ensure exact finger spacing.) It's not exactly nirvana, but it comes close because it's quick and easy to make, wonderfully thrifty, and awesomely accurate. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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Morris wrote:
This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit of explanation with each drawing. Not for me Morris. Not by a long shot. I like your stuff as a rule and value your contributions here and elsewhere. But I could not make heads nor tails (no pun intended) out of those "drawings." PS: The workbench is coming along. Had some scrap particle board with that plastic finish on one side (salvaged store display) for the first layer of the top. Then a Ping Pong table (old, aged 5' x 9' plywood) came along ($4 Habitat Re-Store) for the second layer - and, soon, another use for that Masonite "find" - a sacrificial top surface. Although, the current ping pong-green top with a white edge is interesting! Alas, I am still scouting ideas for a fence arrangement that will work for the Miter Saw and the RAS. Like to do something "elegantly functional" with, of course, scrap or salvaged / re-cycled something or another. Lemme know when you do do the web page you do do so well. |
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Hoosierpopi wrote:
Morris wrote: This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit of explanation with each drawing. Not for me Morris. Not by a long shot. I like your stuff as a rule and value your contributions here and elsewhere. But I could not make heads nor tails (no pun intended) out of those "drawings." Lemme know when you do do the web page you do do so well. Ok - there's a (rough draft) web page at http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/LapJointJig/ I can't help feeling that people are looking (insisting?) on a lot more complexity than there really is. The whole point of the jig is spelled out in the paragraph just above Fig. 7 - but please start at the top and work your way down to that point. If anyone gets lost, please let me know _where_ the page stopped making sense. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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Morris Dovey wrote in :
Hoosierpopi wrote: Morris wrote: This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit of explanation with each drawing. Not for me Morris. Not by a long shot. I like your stuff as a rule and value your contributions here and elsewhere. But I could not make heads nor tails (no pun intended) out of those "drawings." Lemme know when you do do the web page you do do so well. Ok - there's a (rough draft) web page at http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/LapJointJig/ I can't help feeling that people are looking (insisting?) on a lot more complexity than there really is. The whole point of the jig is spelled out in the paragraph just above Fig. 7 - but please start at the top and work your way down to that point. If anyone gets lost, please let me know _where_ the page stopped making sense. Now it makes sense. It is indeed simplicity itself! -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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Han wrote:
Morris Dovey wrote in : Hoosierpopi wrote: Morris wrote: This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit of explanation with each drawing. Not for me Morris. Not by a long shot. I like your stuff as a rule and value your contributions here and elsewhere. But I could not make heads nor tails (no pun intended) out of those "drawings." Lemme know when you do do the web page you do do so well. Ok - there's a (rough draft) web page at http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/LapJointJig/ I can't help feeling that people are looking (insisting?) on a lot more complexity than there really is. The whole point of the jig is spelled out in the paragraph just above Fig. 7 - but please start at the top and work your way down to that point. If anyone gets lost, please let me know _where_ the page stopped making sense. Now it makes sense. It is indeed simplicity itself! I just _knew_ that if I made the pictures bigger it'd be easier to understand! ;-) -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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Morris Dovey wrote in :
Now it makes sense. It is indeed simplicity itself! I just _knew_ that if I made the pictures bigger it'd be easier to understand! ;-) I love you Morris!!! (do you see X-faces?) -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:20:35 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
scrawled the following: Han wrote: Morris Dovey wrote in : Hoosierpopi wrote: Morris wrote: This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit of explanation with each drawing. Not for me Morris. Not by a long shot. I like your stuff as a rule and value your contributions here and elsewhere. But I could not make heads nor tails (no pun intended) out of those "drawings." Lemme know when you do do the web page you do do so well. Ok - there's a (rough draft) web page at http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/LapJointJig/ I can't help feeling that people are looking (insisting?) on a lot more complexity than there really is. The whole point of the jig is spelled out in the paragraph just above Fig. 7 - but please start at the top and work your way down to that point. If anyone gets lost, please let me know _where_ the page stopped making sense. Now it makes sense. It is indeed simplicity itself! I just _knew_ that if I made the pictures bigger it'd be easier to understand! ;-) Well, maybe to Gnu Yawkuhs... -- When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. -- Thomas Paine |
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:13 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
scrawled the following: Hoosierpopi wrote: Morris wrote: This drawing should be reasonably self-explanitory, but I'm already planning to turn it into a web page with a bit of text to provide a bit of explanation with each drawing. Not for me Morris. Not by a long shot. I like your stuff as a rule and value your contributions here and elsewhere. But I could not make heads nor tails (no pun intended) out of those "drawings." Lemme know when you do do the web page you do do so well. Ok - there's a (rough draft) web page at http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/LapJointJig/ I can't help feeling that people are looking (insisting?) on a lot more complexity than there really is. The whole point of the jig is spelled out in the paragraph just above Fig. 7 - but please start at the top and work your way down to that point. If anyone gets lost, please let me know _where_ the page stopped making sense. Better. Need more info. Consider 3-D drawings for clarity, eh? Now reference the friggin' fence or crosscut sled, please. It's supposed to be at the bottom of the pic, right? (Your whole op is done in mid-air as shown.) Maybe some elevation pics would help, too. Sample piece: 1", 9", or 48' x ? Rereading it, is the sample piece supposed to be the width of the final joint? You say "Rotate the jig 180 degrees." Oh, so piece 'C' is the entire jig? OK. Maybe show the jig at the top of the page and then describe how it's made and how it's used? Reference to normal blade crosscut height and stock height is confusing. Also, WTF is a "lap joint" to you? http://fwd4.me/4WP Show sample output from this jig on the page, please. Wait, is the area between the pink kerf/blade and the red kerf/blade supposed to be a half-lap cutout? We're looking down onto the tablesaw top from above, right? P.S: I'm a guy who, usually, can take one look at a complex exploded drawing and know both what the item does and easily figure out how to build one for myself. Spatial relationships are no problem for me. I can't seem to do that/figure those from any of your drawings, Morris. sigh -- When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. -- Thomas Paine |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
... On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:13 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey scrawled the following: confusing. Also, WTF is a "lap joint" to you? Dear Larry, I can see your education has been sadly neglected, so I will attempt to explain the concept. A "lap joint" is a venue where men can congregate and experience lap dancing. A lap dance is a type of erotic dance performed in some gentleman's clubs in which the patron is seated, and the dancer is either in immediate contact with the patron, or within a very short distance. Hope this clears up your confusion. : ) diggerop |
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On Nov 16, 9:45*am, "diggerop" toobusy@themoment wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:13 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey scrawled the following: confusing. Also, WTF is a "lap joint" to you? Dear Larry, I can see your education has been sadly neglected, so I will attempt to explain the concept. A "lap joint" is a venue where men can congregate and experience lap dancing. A lap dance is a type of erotic dance performed in some gentleman's clubs in which the patron is seated, and the dancer is either in immediate contact .. .. .. .. with the patron, or within a very short distance. Speak for yourself. Hope this clears up your confusion. * * * : ) diggerop |
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:45:45 +0800, the infamous "diggerop"
toobusy@themoment scrawled the following: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:13 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey scrawled the following: confusing. Also, WTF is a "lap joint" to you? Dear Larry, I can see your education has been sadly neglected, so I will attempt to explain the concept. A "lap joint" is a venue where men can congregate and experience lap dancing. Oh, I'm well aware of those places, Dop. But that wasn't the sort of reference Mo was drawing. (The kerfs were way too narrow for the type of ladies who hang out in lap joints, kwim,V?) A lap dance is a type of erotic dance performed in some gentleman's clubs in which the patron is seated, and the dancer is either in immediate contact with the patron, or within a very short distance. Hope this clears up your confusion. : ) Mo gave pics. Where are -your-reference photos, sir? -- When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. -- Thomas Paine |
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Making a box joint jig
Larry Jaques wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:13 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey scrawled the following: Ok - there's a (rough draft) web page at http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/LapJointJig/ I can't help feeling that people are looking (insisting?) on a lot more complexity than there really is. The whole point of the jig is spelled out in the paragraph just above Fig. 7 - but please start at the top and work your way down to that point. If anyone gets lost, please let me know _where_ the page stopped making sense. Better. Need more info. Consider 3-D drawings for clarity, eh? Eh? It's a 2-D problem with a 2-D solution. :-P Now reference the friggin' fence or crosscut sled, please. It's supposed to be at the bottom of the pic, right? (Your whole op is done in mid-air as shown.) Maybe some elevation pics would help, too. There's a lot of stuff in my shop that's "up in the air". Why should this be any different? Sample piece: 1", 9", or 48' x ? Rereading it, is the sample piece supposed to be the width of the final joint? Yup (I think you're catching on!) You say "Rotate the jig 180 degrees." Oh, so piece 'C' is the entire jig? OK. Maybe show the jig at the top of the page and then describe how it's made and how it's used? Right under Figure 5 I wrote: "Block C is your new lap joint jig." C'mon, Larry, that's like starting a joke with the punch line - but just for you, I'll shoot a picture and put it at the top of the page. Reference to normal blade crosscut height and stock height is confusing. I don't talk good, too. Suggested wording? Also, WTF is a "lap joint" to you? http://fwd4.me/4WP I like diggerop's definition. Show sample output from this jig on the page, please. sigh Ok - I'll shoot the jig and the output _together_ and put /that/ at the top of the page. Wait, is the area between the pink kerf/blade and the red kerf/blade supposed to be a half-lap cutout? We're looking down onto the tablesaw top from above, right? That's the viewpoint for all of the drawings, yes. P.S: I'm a guy who, usually, can take one look at a complex exploded drawing and know both what the item does and easily figure out how to build one for myself. Spatial relationships are no problem for me. I can't seem to do that/figure those from any of your drawings, Morris. I can (sorta) grasp where you're coming from - but with /this/ gizmo there's nothing complex to explode and the only dimension that has any significance at all is the width of the kerf. sigh Yeah, me too. I've zapped the small drawings of both lap and box joint jigs. My intent was to show how simple they can be, but instead only added to the general confusion. My apologies to all. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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Morris Dovey wrote:
sigh Ok - I'll shoot the jig and the output _together_ and put /that/ at the top of the page. Photo of jig and joint added. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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Making a box joint jig
Morris,
Build the jig, send it and a video to Larry. LOL.. Sorry Larry but this is getting funny. |
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:26:10 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
scrawled the following: Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:29:13 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey scrawled the following: Now reference the friggin' fence or crosscut sled, please. It's supposed to be at the bottom of the pic, right? (Your whole op is done in mid-air as shown.) Maybe some elevation pics would help, too. There's a lot of stuff in my shop that's "up in the air". Why should this be any different? 2 Points, sir. Reference to normal blade crosscut height and stock height is confusing. I don't talk good, too. Suggested wording? Don't talk "well", ya silly savage. Oh, just redo the entire page, will ya, and add dims for the blocks you cut and reference them in the pics. It removes any obfuscation. A "C" showing on the one pic and an upside down "C" showing on the rotated jig would be illustratorily effusive as well. (Just try to find -that- one in a dict!) Also, WTF is a "lap joint" to you? http://fwd4.me/4WP I like diggerop's definition. Their kerfs are larger than your kerfs. /neener Show sample output from this jig on the page, please. sigh Ok - I'll shoot the jig and the output _together_ and put /that/ at the top of the page. Label which is which, too, OK? gd&r That's the viewpoint for all of the drawings, yes. P.S: I'm a guy who, usually, can take one look at a complex exploded drawing and know both what the item does and easily figure out how to build one for myself. Spatial relationships are no problem for me. I can't seem to do that/figure those from any of your drawings, Morris. I can (sorta) grasp where you're coming from - but with /this/ gizmo there's nothing complex to explode and the only dimension that has any significance at all is the width of the kerf. No, you don't quite grasp it. I can savvy the complex stuff but yours is _too_ simple. Because you left out any references and showed 'em only in 2 dims, what could be an elevation could also be an overhead perspective. There's no way to tell. sigh Yeah, me too. I've zapped the small drawings of both lap and box joint jigs. My intent was to show how simple they can be, but instead only added to the general confusion. My apologies to all. 50 lashes with a long, limp, wet Robatoy noodle for you! I'd have spent more time with you on this tonight but my muscles are so sore I'm going to bed. Squatting 8 hours a day doing this client's 17" tall deck is killing my thigh muskuls sumpin' fierce. Thank God it's going to be _raining_ for the next 3 days...My ibuprofen has met its match. -- When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. -- Thomas Paine |
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Morris Dovey wrote in :
http://www.iedu.com/De Morris, I don't know why but I keep getting a 404 Not Found error when I click on the links you provided. Any ideas?? Thanks, Steve |
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Steve said:
Morris Dovey wrote in : http://www.iedu.com/De Morris, I don't know why but I keep getting a 404 Not Found error when I click on the links you provided. Any ideas?? I'm not Morris, but watch the line wrap? Unless Florida has decided to block non-commercial, educational content. Greg G. |
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:05:39 -0500, the infamous Greg
scrawled the following: Steve said: Morris Dovey wrote in : http://www.iedu.com/De Morris, I don't know why but I keep getting a 404 Not Found error when I click on the links you provided. Any ideas?? I'm not Morris, but watch the line wrap? Unless Florida has decided to block non-commercial, educational content. Judging by the half-link shown above, Steve is, indeed, suffering from line wrap problems. The actual link is below. Note that it does not end in "De" http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/LapJointJig/ -- When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. -- Thomas Paine |
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Steve wrote:
Morris Dovey wrote in : http://www.iedu.com/De Morris, I don't know why but I keep getting a 404 Not Found error when I click on the links you provided. Steve... If you were looking for the JPEG files, they were judged too small, lacking proper prose obfuscation, and in need of visual proof that the designs worked as advertised. moue I deleted them from the server. The box joint jig _still_ lacks photos, but you can find links to remnants of both designs in my project menu at: http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/ -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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Morris Dovey wrote in :
Steve wrote: Morris Dovey wrote in : http://www.iedu.com/De Morris, I don't know why but I keep getting a 404 Not Found error when I click on the links you provided. Steve... If you were looking for the JPEG files, they were judged too small, lacking proper prose obfuscation, and in need of visual proof that the designs worked as advertised. moue I deleted them from the server. The box joint jig _still_ lacks photos, but you can find links to remnants of both designs in my project menu at: http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/ Morris, Many thanks, both for the explanation and the update. These look very interesting, and I can't wait to try them out. Thanks again, Steve |
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