Tim Daneliuk wrote:
Jack Stein wrote:

There are crazy people on both the right and left. The right however,
is made up of people that go for less government control, the left is
made up of those wanting more government control. All the way on the

That's not even close to true any more. The right wants plenty of control,
just in different arenas than the left.

I think you are confusing Republican party with the right.

The sole place where the right is demonstrably superior is in its view of
national defense - i.e. It actually wants to defend the nation, whereas
the
left wants to wring its hands and figure out why every problem is our
own fault.

I don't agree. The right, besides national defense, believes strongly
in personal property rights, capitalism, individual control of the means
of production rather than government control, the constitution and the
bill of rights (freedom of speech, religion, the press, right to bear
arms and so on).

left is Total government control (totalitarianism), all the way on the
right is No government control (anarchy). There is no reason to
complicate it more than that. The left has been trying to hide this
simple mantra for many years.

Communists, Marxists, Nazi's, Dictators, Liberals, today's Democratic
and Republican parties are on the left. Conservatives and Libertarians
are on the right. You are clearly on the right, no reason on earth to
deny it. Most Americans are on the right I think, even if they are too
ill-informed to know their political party has been usurped by the left.
Well, Republicans seem to know, but Dems are mostly clueless it seems.

The discussion in not along a line, it is in two dimensions:

Yeah, 2 dimensions: The left and the right.

http://www.quiz2d.com/quiz/Libertari...&economic=97.7

There are *two* dimensions to this debate and they are not trivially just
"right" and "left".

I dunno, I look at your 2 dimensions and I see top and bottom rather
than left or right. Same thing, turned on the side, but much less
clear. Your picture shows the Liberals, conservatives and centrists all
on the same plane. That is wrong. It would be wrong if you went left to
right rather than top and bottom and put them in the middle.

And, no, I am not on the right - I am very much in the "Radical Libertarian"
corner...

The radical libertarian corner is on the right, more to the right than a
conservative perhaps, but very much on the right. The right is for
individual freedom, all the way to the right is anarchy, or, total
individual freedom.

In fact, the only real common ground I have with today's right is an
opposition to abortion and a support for their more-or-less hawkish foreign policy.

Only if you have a unique view of the right and left. From what I see,
you are on the right. OK, you are on the top end of your scale, while
Obama, Hitler, Castro, Chavez and that ilk are on the bottom.

See, some of us are able to think for ourselves and don't need to wear
the t-shirt to know what we actually believe ...

I think everyone thinks for themselves. The fact you and I agree on
most everything doesn't mean you, or I don't think for ourselves any
more than Upscale thinking like a socialist such as Obama doesn't mean
he doesn't think for himself. His empty, inane arguments only make him
look like he doesn't do much thinking:-)

The "usual right wing mantras" you list up there are imo, not very
accurate. These things exist of course, but they are more a figment of
the lefts imagination, just like the left associating Hitler and the
NAZI's with the right, when clearly, Hitler was a dictator and 100% to
the left, just like Obama, Chavez and other Marxists socialists of our
time.

I think you underestimate the degree to which that stuff exists on the
right.

I know it exists on the right, it also exists on the left. Still,
considering the right (or the top) supports individual freedom while the
left supports government control puts you squarely on the right side of
the spectrum.

The right was so worried about things like the definition of
marriage, people's drug habits, the role of religion in public life,
and so on that they conceded the last election to a raging radical-cum-
Marxist. It is pretty much true that we have the right to thank for
this vile presidency.

I think you have ACORN, the left wing media and the Republican party to
blame more than anything. Besides the fake voting, the American public
was not made very aware that Obama was an anti-American, socialist
*******. They were all too busy watching Law and Order, American Idol
and David Letterman, then the "Republicans" run McCain. It's like,
here, we have a liberal old loser running against a liberal young loser.
The left was inspired, the right went to sleep. Next thing you know, we
lose General Motors and get Government Motors.

I'll be happy when Robocop needs a heart valve and comes to the USSA and
is told he has to wait 6 months, just like he does at home.

--
Jack
Got change: Doctor care ==== Bureaucrat don't care!
http://jbstein.com

I feel that this would be an appropriate point in the discussion to
point out that we had a republican vice president who actually DID
shoot someone, he also was not tried or convicted of any crime.

--
There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

Larry W wrote:
I feel that this would be an appropriate point in the discussion to
point out that we had a republican vice president who actually DID
shoot someone, he also was not tried or convicted of any crime.

Perhaps the victim was dressed up as a Democrat?

--
Jack
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http://jbstein.com

Larry W wrote:
I feel that this would be an appropriate point in the discussion to
point out that we had a republican vice president who actually DID
shoot someone, he also was not tried or convicted of any crime.

You're wrong. The Vice President was indicted in both New York and New
Jersey. In one jurisdiction, the trial resulted in an acquittal, in the
other the charge was dismissed.

Didn't matter, though. Alexander Hamilton was still dead. And Aaron Burr was
both a Democrat and a Republican.

"Larry W" wrote in message
...
I feel that this would be an appropriate point in the discussion to
point out that we had a republican vice president who actually DID
shoot someone, he also was not tried or convicted of any crime.


Nor was he charged as no crime was found to be committed. He did not leave
his victim trapped under water either