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A Cleaver Idea
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the
other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS. Application: Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper. Neat idea IMHO. Lew |
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A Cleaver Idea
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS. Application: Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper. Neat idea IMHO. Lew I never found it hard or necessary to align the holes that precicely. |
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A Cleaver Idea
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS. Application: Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper. Neat idea IMHO. Have had one for years ... got the idea in a magazine at least 15 years ago, maybe more. I'll take a picture of it tomorrow and post a link. Mine is a double, with holes in a plywood cover that mirrors the three dowels that hold the sandpaper/guide the ROS onto same. A picture oughta be worth at least a couple of hundred words ... -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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A Cleaver Idea
Swingman wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote: Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS. Application: Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper. Neat idea IMHO. Have had one for years ... got the idea in a magazine at least 15 years ago, maybe more. I'll take a picture of it tomorrow and post a link. Mine is a double, with holes in a plywood cover that mirrors the three dowels that hold the sandpaper/guide the ROS onto same. A picture oughta be worth at least a couple of hundred words ... Gee sounds neat. You got plans for that sucker?? :-) j4 |
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A Cleaver Idea
Rockler sells them.
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS. Application: Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper. Neat idea IMHO. Lew |
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On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:43:14 -0500, Leon wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS. Application: Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper. Neat idea IMHO. Lew I never found it hard or necessary to align the holes that precicely. Quite. If there is a problem, just stick a pencil into one hole on the ROS and drop the sandpaper over that, through the corresponding hole in the sandpaper disc. Aligning all the other holes is now merely a matter of rotating the sheet. Remember to remove pencil before operating the tool. If that's too difficult (then maybe you shouldn't be using power tools :-), just use another pencil in another hole - 2 reference points is all you'd ever need. |
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A Cleaver Idea
"pete" wrote in message just use another pencil in another hole - 2 reference points is all you'd ever need. Not quite. You have to find some way to not put the sandpaper on upsidedown. A $6000 optical reader should be sufficient. |
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A Cleaver Idea
"Upscale" wrote in
: "pete" wrote in message just use another pencil in another hole - 2 reference points is all you'd ever need. Not quite. You have to find some way to not put the sandpaper on upsidedown. A $6000 optical reader should be sufficient. You could also add a CNC machine to make the holes in the sand paper yourself. Not only would the holes be perfectly aligned, they'd fit any hole pattern! Puckdropper -- "The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on rec.woodworking To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm |
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A Cleaver Idea
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:20:34 -0500, Upscale wrote:
"pete" wrote in message just use another pencil in another hole - 2 reference points is all you'd ever need. Not quite. You have to find some way to not put the sandpaper on upsidedown. A $6000 optical reader should be sufficient. you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text: "other way up" on them? (or better: "this side down" on the velco side). Hmm, maybe there's a $100 tip-of-the-week in there somewhere. |
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A Cleaver Idea
"pete" wrote in message you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text: "other way up" on them? (or better: "this side down" on the velcro side). Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should be "this side up". |
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A Cleaver Idea
On Jul 20, 10:18*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS. Application: Place sandpaper *on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper. Neat idea IMHO. Lew When I 'have to' make holes, I use a 1/2" hole punch, like one you buy in a cheap kit from HF etc. The difference is, I stick mine in a drill press, and at run at slow speed.... about 5 sheets at the time. Works like a beauty, eh? |
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A Cleaver Idea
"pete" wrote:
you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text: "other way up" on them? (or better: "this side down" on the velco side). Shades of "Green side up". Lew |
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On Jul 20, 9:18*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS. Application: Place sandpaper *on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper. Neat idea IMHO. My Bosch pad sander came with a widget (though of inferior plastic) to do the same. |
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A Cleaver Idea
"Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Jul 20, 10:18 pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS. Application: Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper. Neat idea IMHO. Lew When I 'have to' make holes, I use a 1/2" hole punch, like one you buy in a cheap kit from HF etc. The difference is, I stick mine in a drill press, and at run at slow speed.... about 5 sheets at the time. Works like a beauty, eh? I think a few missed the point here, the object is "not" to make holes in regular paper rather to align the holes on the paper to the holes on the sander pad. I have a friend that ownes a DeWalt finish sander and the sander kit provided a paper stamp to punch the holes in the paper in the correct locations for that sander. |
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A Cleaver Idea
pete wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:43:14 -0500, Leon wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS. Application: Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper. Neat idea IMHO. Lew I never found it hard or necessary to align the holes that precicely. Quite. If there is a problem, just stick a pencil into one hole on the ROS and drop the sandpaper over that, through the corresponding hole in the sandpaper disc. Aligning all the other holes is now merely a matter of rotating the sheet. Which direction is best, clockwise or counter clockwise? -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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A Cleaver Idea
Upscale wrote:
"pete" wrote in message you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text: "other way up" on them? (or better: "this side down" on the velcro side). Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should be "this side up". but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he wailed). Whatever shall I do? Now I am all atwitter. This is SOOO confusing. nobody to home |
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A Cleaver Idea
On Jul 21, 12:18*pm, jo4hn wrote:
Upscale wrote: "pete" wrote in message you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text: "other way up" on them? (or better: "this side down" on the velcro side). Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should be "this side up". but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he wailed). *Whatever shall I do? *Now I am all atwitter. *This is SOOO confusing. * * * * nobody to home There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which side you're on. |
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A Cleaver Idea
Robatoy wrote:
On Jul 21, 12:18 pm, jo4hn wrote: Upscale wrote: "pete" wrote in message you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text: "other way up" on them? (or better: "this side down" on the velcro side). Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should be "this side up". but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he wailed). Whatever shall I do? Now I am all atwitter. This is SOOO confusing. nobody to home There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which side you're on. Is it reversed if you are in China? And how do they decide which side to mark on exports? -- Froz... |
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A Cleaver Idea
On Jul 21, 10:33*am, FrozenNorth
wrote: Robatoy wrote: On Jul 21, 12:18 pm, jo4hn wrote: Upscale wrote: "pete" wrote in message you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text: "other way up" on them? (or better: "this side down" on the velcro side). Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should be "this side up". but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he wailed). *Whatever shall I do? *Now I am all atwitter. *This is SOOO confusing. * * * * nobody to home There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which side you're on. Is it reversed if you are in China? And how do they decide which side to mark on exports? That's Australia, not China, you dummy! Luigi |
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A Cleaver Idea
"Lew Hodgett" writes:
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS. Application: Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper. Neat idea IMHO. So what do you use the Cleaver for? s |
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A Cleaver Idea
On Jul 21, 1:55*pm, (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" writes: Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS. Application: Place sandpaper *on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper. Neat idea IMHO. So what do you use the Cleaver for? s What a cleaver might look like: http://epguides.com/LeaveIttoBeaver/cast.jpg |
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A Cleaver Idea
Robatoy wrote:
On Jul 21, 12:18 pm, jo4hn wrote: Upscale wrote: "pete" wrote in message you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text: "other way up" on them? (or better: "this side down" on the velcro side). Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should be "this side up". but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he wailed). Whatever shall I do? Now I am all atwitter. This is SOOO confusing. nobody to home There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which side you're on. Hmm - this sounds akin to the blonde who used a marker to write "TGIF" inside all her shoes... -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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A Cleaver Idea
On 7/20/2009 7:18 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. I thought you were going to tell us how to make a knife. Don't you mean "clever"? (How many others think Usenet is contributing to the decline and fall of basic spelling abilities?) -- Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism |
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A Cleaver Idea
wrote: My Bosch pad sander came with a widget (though of inferior plastic) to do the same. Must be something rather recent with Bosch. My last 3727, about 3 years old, didn't have one. Lew |
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A Cleaver Idea
Robatoy wrote:
On Jul 21, 12:18 pm, jo4hn wrote: Upscale wrote: "pete" wrote in message you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text: "other way up" on them? (or better: "this side down" on the velcro side). Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should be "this side up". but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he wailed). Whatever shall I do? Now I am all atwitter. This is SOOO confusing. nobody to home There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which side you're on. There is a down-side to everything... |
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A Cleaver Idea
On Jul 21, 1:16*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
wrote: My Bosch pad sander came with a widget (though of inferior plastic) to do the same. Must be something rather recent with Bosch. My last 3727, about 3 years old, didn't have one. R1297DK. It's the "PunchPlate" used to punch the 1/4 sheet. |
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A Cleaver Idea
David Nebenzahl wrote:
(How many others think Usenet is contributing to the decline and fall of basic spelling abilities?) I don't think it's actually Usenet. I'd chalked it all up to the increasing scarcity of trollbane. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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A Cleaver Idea
Yeah, I didn't think it was that useful when I saw it in an old "methods
of work" compilation from Fine Woodworking about 10 years ago. -- There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat, plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken) Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org |
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A Cleaver Idea
Robatoy wrote:
There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which side you're on. Designers should avoid that kind of ambiguity. "This side toward enemy" is one example of doing it right. |
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A Cleaver Idea
Morris Dovey wrote:
Robatoy wrote: On Jul 21, 12:18 pm, jo4hn wrote: Upscale wrote: "pete" wrote in message you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text: "other way up" on them? (or better: "this side down" on the velcro side). Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should be "this side up". but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he wailed). Whatever shall I do? Now I am all atwitter. This is SOOO confusing. nobody to home There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which side you're on. Hmm - this sounds akin to the blonde who used a marker to write "TGIF" inside all her shoes... Tits go in first? |
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Tanus wrote:
Morris Dovey wrote: Hmm - this sounds akin to the blonde who used a marker to write "TGIF" inside all her shoes... Tits go in first? A perfect illustration of why this doesn't work for guys. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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Tanus wrote:
Morris Dovey wrote: Robatoy wrote: On Jul 21, 12:18 pm, jo4hn wrote: Upscale wrote: "pete" wrote in message you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text: "other way up" on them? (or better: "this side down" on the velcro side). Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should be "this side up". but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he wailed). Whatever shall I do? Now I am all atwitter. This is SOOO confusing. nobody to home There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which side you're on. Hmm - this sounds akin to the blonde who used a marker to write "TGIF" inside all her shoes... Tits go in first? Try Toes, see if that works for you. -- Froz... |
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"HeyBub" wrote in message ... "This side toward enemy" is one example of doing it right. As seen on a Claymore mine. |
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HeyBub wrote:
Robatoy wrote: There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which side you're on. Designers should avoid that kind of ambiguity. "This side toward enemy" is one example of doing it right. As long as it also has the essential caveat "do not eat". |
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:57:44 -0400, dadiOH wrote:
pete wrote: On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:43:14 -0500, Leon wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS. Application: Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper. Neat idea IMHO. Lew I never found it hard or necessary to align the holes that precicely. Quite. If there is a problem, just stick a pencil into one hole on the ROS and drop the sandpaper over that, through the corresponding hole in the sandpaper disc. Aligning all the other holes is now merely a matter of rotating the sheet. Which direction is best, clockwise or counter clockwise? Clockwise in the northern hemisphere, anti-clockwise in the southern. What you do on the equator will probably invalidate your warranty. |
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J. Clarke wrote:
HeyBub wrote: Robatoy wrote: There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which side you're on. Designers should avoid that kind of ambiguity. "This side toward enemy" is one example of doing it right. As long as it also has the essential caveat "do not eat". Or, for some military munitions, "Not a step" |
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"CW" wrote in message m... "HeyBub" wrote in message ... "This side toward enemy" is one example of doing it right. As seen on a Claymore mine. someone who had a spa http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/art...2landmine.html c |
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HeyBub wrote:
Robatoy wrote: There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which side you're on. Designers should avoid that kind of ambiguity. "This side toward enemy" is one example of doing it right. ------------ "Somebody seems to have got the wrong idea about charitable donations - after they left a land mine in a charity donation box, forcing the evacuation of a mall in Colorado. "The rectangular, olive-green box with the words 'Front Toward Enemy' raised the suspicions of Goodwill workers... http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article...9&in_page_id=2 |
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:23:50 -0700, the infamous "CW"
scrawled the following: "HeyBub" wrote in message ... "This side toward enemy" is one example of doing it right. As seen on a Claymore mine. Claymores are my favorite "BB gun!" arr, arr, arr -- The only reason I would take up exercising is so that I could hear heavy breathing again. |
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:14:31 -0700, the infamous David Nebenzahl
scrawled the following: On 7/20/2009 7:18 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus: Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other night. A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea. A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face. I thought you were going to tell us how to make a knife. Don't you mean "clever"? I thought it was very Cleaver, Wally. (NOW do you get it?) [OK, so you didn't get it. Wally Cleaver was The Beave's brother in Leave it to Beaver, a '50s TV program.] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Cleaver (How many others think Usenet is contributing to the decline and fall of basic spelling abilities?) Nah, I wouldn't say it was contributing, just _exposing_ all the maroons out there. (Bugs Bunny slang for "morons") -- The only reason I would take up exercising is so that I could hear heavy breathing again. |
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