A Cleaver Idea
 

Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the
other night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel
pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to
match the dust pick up holes of his ROS.

Application:

Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align
dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper.

Neat idea IMHO.

Lew

A Cleaver Idea
 

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other
night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins
projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to
match the dust pick up holes of his ROS.

Application:

Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels
with holes on ROS and seat paper.

Neat idea IMHO.

Lew


I never found it hard or necessary to align the holes that precicely.

A Cleaver Idea
 

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the
other night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel
pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to
match the dust pick up holes of his ROS.

Application:

Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align
dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper.

Neat idea IMHO.

Have had one for years ... got the idea in a magazine at least 15 years
ago, maybe more. I'll take a picture of it tomorrow and post a link.
Mine is a double, with holes in a plywood cover that mirrors the three
dowels that hold the sandpaper/guide the ROS onto same.

A picture oughta be worth at least a couple of hundred words ... :)

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

A Cleaver Idea
 

Swingman wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the
other night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel
pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to
match the dust pick up holes of his ROS.

Application:

Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align
dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper.

Neat idea IMHO.

Have had one for years ... got the idea in a magazine at least 15 years
ago, maybe more. I'll take a picture of it tomorrow and post a link.
Mine is a double, with holes in a plywood cover that mirrors the three
dowels that hold the sandpaper/guide the ROS onto same.

A picture oughta be worth at least a couple of hundred words ... :)

Gee sounds neat. You got plans for that sucker??
:-)
j4

A Cleaver Idea
 

Rockler sells them.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other
night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins
projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to
match the dust pick up holes of his ROS.

Application:

Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels
with holes on ROS and seat paper.

Neat idea IMHO.

Lew

A Cleaver Idea
 

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:43:14 -0500, Leon wrote:

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the other
night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel pins
projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to
match the dust pick up holes of his ROS.

Application:

Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align dowels
with holes on ROS and seat paper.

Neat idea IMHO.

Lew


I never found it hard or necessary to align the holes that precicely.

Quite. If there is a problem, just stick a pencil into one hole on the
ROS and drop the sandpaper over that, through the corresponding hole
in the sandpaper disc. Aligning all the other holes is now merely a matter
of rotating the sheet.
Remember to remove pencil before operating the tool.

If that's too difficult (then maybe you shouldn't be using power tools :-),
just use another pencil in another hole - 2 reference points is all you'd
ever need.

A Cleaver Idea
 

"pete" wrote in message
just use another pencil in another hole - 2 reference points is all you'd
ever need.

Not quite. You have to find some way to not put the sandpaper on upsidedown.
A $6000 optical reader should be sufficient.

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"Upscale" wrote in
:


"pete" wrote in message
just use another pencil in another hole - 2 reference points is all
you'd ever need.

Not quite. You have to find some way to not put the sandpaper on
upsidedown. A $6000 optical reader should be sufficient.



You could also add a CNC machine to make the holes in the sand paper
yourself. Not only would the holes be perfectly aligned, they'd fit any
hole pattern!

Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

A Cleaver Idea
 

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:20:34 -0500, Upscale wrote:

"pete" wrote in message
just use another pencil in another hole - 2 reference points is all you'd
ever need.

Not quite. You have to find some way to not put the sandpaper on upsidedown.
A $6000 optical reader should be sufficient.

you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text:
"other way up" on them?
(or better: "this side down" on the velco side).
Hmm, maybe there's a $100 tip-of-the-week in there somewhere.

A Cleaver Idea
 

"pete" wrote in message
you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text:
"other way up" on them?
(or better: "this side down" on the velcro side).

Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should
be "this side up".

A Cleaver Idea
 

On Jul 20, 10:18*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the
other night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel
pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to
match the dust pick up holes of his ROS.

Application:

Place sandpaper *on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align
dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper.

Neat idea IMHO.

Lew

When I 'have to' make holes, I use a 1/2" hole punch, like one you buy
in a cheap kit from HF etc. The difference is, I stick mine in a drill
press, and at run at slow speed.... about 5 sheets at the time. Works
like a beauty, eh?

A Cleaver Idea
 

"pete" wrote:

you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text:
"other way up" on them?
(or better: "this side down" on the velco side).


Shades of "Green side up".

Lew

A Cleaver Idea
 

On Jul 20, 9:18*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the
other night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel
pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to
match the dust pick up holes of his ROS.

Application:

Place sandpaper *on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align
dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper.

Neat idea IMHO.

My Bosch pad sander came with a widget (though of inferior plastic) to
do the same.

A Cleaver Idea
 

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Jul 20, 10:18 pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the
other night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel
pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to
match the dust pick up holes of his ROS.

Application:

Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align
dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper.

Neat idea IMHO.

Lew

When I 'have to' make holes, I use a 1/2" hole punch, like one you buy
in a cheap kit from HF etc. The difference is, I stick mine in a drill
press, and at run at slow speed.... about 5 sheets at the time. Works
like a beauty, eh?


I think a few missed the point here, the object is "not" to make holes in
regular paper rather to align the holes on the paper to the holes on the
sander pad. I have a friend that ownes a DeWalt finish sander and the
sander kit provided a paper stamp to punch the holes in the paper in the
correct locations for that sander.

A Cleaver Idea
 

pete wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:43:14 -0500, Leon wrote:

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house"
the other night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel
pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened
to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS.

Application:

Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align
dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper.

Neat idea IMHO.

Lew


I never found it hard or necessary to align the holes that precicely.

Quite. If there is a problem, just stick a pencil into one hole on the
ROS and drop the sandpaper over that, through the corresponding hole
in the sandpaper disc. Aligning all the other holes is now merely a
matter of rotating the sheet.

Which direction is best, clockwise or counter clockwise? :)

--

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____________________________

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....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

A Cleaver Idea
 

Upscale wrote:
"pete" wrote in message
you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text:
"other way up" on them?
(or better: "this side down" on the velcro side).

Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should
be "this side up".


but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he
wailed). Whatever shall I do? Now I am all atwitter. This is SOOO
confusing.
nobody to home

A Cleaver Idea
 

On Jul 21, 12:18*pm, jo4hn wrote:
Upscale wrote:
"pete" wrote in message
you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text:
"other way up" on them?
(or better: "this side down" on the velcro side).

Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should
be "this side up".

but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he
wailed). *Whatever shall I do? *Now I am all atwitter. *This is SOOO
confusing.
* * * * nobody to home

There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side
is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side
isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which
side you're on.

A Cleaver Idea
 

Robatoy wrote:
On Jul 21, 12:18 pm, jo4hn wrote:
Upscale wrote:
"pete" wrote in message
you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text:
"other way up" on them?
(or better: "this side down" on the velcro side).
Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should
be "this side up".
but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he
wailed). Whatever shall I do? Now I am all atwitter. This is SOOO
confusing.
nobody to home

There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side
is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side
isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which
side you're on.

Is it reversed if you are in China?
And how do they decide which side to mark on exports?

--
Froz...

A Cleaver Idea
 

On Jul 21, 10:33*am, FrozenNorth
wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
On Jul 21, 12:18 pm, jo4hn wrote:
Upscale wrote:
"pete" wrote in message
you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text:
"other way up" on them?
(or better: "this side down" on the velcro side).
Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should
be "this side up".
but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he
wailed). *Whatever shall I do? *Now I am all atwitter. *This is SOOO
confusing.
* * * * nobody to home

There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side
is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side
isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which
side you're on.

Is it reversed if you are in China?
And how do they decide which side to mark on exports?

That's Australia, not China, you dummy!

Luigi

A Cleaver Idea
 

"Lew Hodgett" writes:
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the
other night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel
pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to
match the dust pick up holes of his ROS.

Application:

Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align
dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper.

Neat idea IMHO.


So what do you use the Cleaver for?

s

A Cleaver Idea
 

On Jul 21, 1:55*pm, (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" writes:
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the
other night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel
pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened to
match the dust pick up holes of his ROS.

Application:

Place sandpaper *on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align
dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper.

Neat idea IMHO.

So what do you use the Cleaver for?

s

What a cleaver might look like:

http://epguides.com/LeaveIttoBeaver/cast.jpg

A Cleaver Idea
 

Robatoy wrote:
On Jul 21, 12:18 pm, jo4hn wrote:
Upscale wrote:
"pete" wrote in message
you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text:
"other way up" on them?
(or better: "this side down" on the velcro side).
Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should
be "this side up".
but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he
wailed). Whatever shall I do? Now I am all atwitter. This is SOOO
confusing.
nobody to home

There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side
is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side
isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which
side you're on.

Hmm - this sounds akin to the blonde who used a marker to write "TGIF"
inside all her shoes...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

A Cleaver Idea
 

On 7/20/2009 7:18 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:

Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the
other night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel
pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

I thought you were going to tell us how to make a knife.

Don't you mean "clever"?

(How many others think Usenet is contributing to the decline and fall of
basic spelling abilities?)


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism

A Cleaver Idea
 

wrote:

My Bosch pad sander came with a widget (though of inferior plastic)
to
do the same.

Must be something rather recent with Bosch.
My last 3727, about 3 years old, didn't have one.

Lew

A Cleaver Idea
 

Robatoy wrote:
On Jul 21, 12:18 pm, jo4hn wrote:
Upscale wrote:
"pete" wrote in message
you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text:
"other way up" on them?
(or better: "this side down" on the velcro side).
Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it should
be "this side up".
but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he
wailed). Whatever shall I do? Now I am all atwitter. This is SOOO
confusing.
nobody to home

There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side
is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side
isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which
side you're on.

There is a down-side to everything...

A Cleaver Idea
 

On Jul 21, 1:16*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
wrote:
My Bosch pad sander came with a widget (though of inferior plastic)
to

do the same.

Must be something rather recent with Bosch.
My last 3727, about 3 years old, didn't have one.

R1297DK. It's the "PunchPlate" used to punch the 1/4 sheet.

A Cleaver Idea
 

David Nebenzahl wrote:

(How many others think Usenet is contributing to the decline and fall of
basic spelling abilities?)

I don't think it's actually Usenet. I'd chalked it all up to the
increasing scarcity of trollbane.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

A Cleaver Idea
 

Yeah, I didn't think it was that useful when I saw it in an old "methods
of work" compilation from Fine Woodworking about 10 years ago.


--
There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat,
plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

A Cleaver Idea
 

Robatoy wrote:

There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side
is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side
isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which
side you're on.

Designers should avoid that kind of ambiguity.

"This side toward enemy" is one example of doing it right.

A Cleaver Idea
 

Morris Dovey wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
On Jul 21, 12:18 pm, jo4hn wrote:
Upscale wrote:
"pete" wrote in message
you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text:
"other way up" on them?
(or better: "this side down" on the velcro side).
Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it
should
be "this side up".
but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he
wailed). Whatever shall I do? Now I am all atwitter. This is SOOO
confusing.
nobody to home

There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side
is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side
isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which
side you're on.

Hmm - this sounds akin to the blonde who used a marker to write "TGIF"
inside all her shoes...


Tits go in first?

A Cleaver Idea
 

Tanus wrote:
Morris Dovey wrote:

Hmm - this sounds akin to the blonde who used a marker to write "TGIF"
inside all her shoes...

Tits go in first?

A perfect illustration of why this doesn't work for guys. :)

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

A Cleaver Idea
 

Tanus wrote:
Morris Dovey wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
On Jul 21, 12:18 pm, jo4hn wrote:
Upscale wrote:
"pete" wrote in message
you mean your sandpaper discs don't come with the text:
"other way up" on them?
(or better: "this side down" on the velcro side).
Actually, when you're using your sander, the velcro faces up, so it
should
be "this side up".
but but but... when I put new paper on, the sander is upside down (he
wailed). Whatever shall I do? Now I am all atwitter. This is SOOO
confusing.
nobody to home

There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side
is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side
isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter which
side you're on.

Hmm - this sounds akin to the blonde who used a marker to write "TGIF"
inside all her shoes...


Tits go in first?
Try Toes, see if that works for you.

--
Froz...

A Cleaver Idea
 

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...

"This side toward enemy" is one example of doing it right.


As seen on a Claymore mine.

A Cleaver Idea
 

HeyBub wrote:
Robatoy wrote:

There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side
is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side
isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter
which side you're on.

Designers should avoid that kind of ambiguity.

"This side toward enemy" is one example of doing it right.

As long as it also has the essential caveat "do not eat".

A Cleaver Idea
 

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:57:44 -0400, dadiOH wrote:
pete wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:43:14 -0500, Leon wrote:

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...
Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house"
the other night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel
pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

The dowels were arranged in a geometric pattern that just happened
to match the dust pick up holes of his ROS.

Application:

Place sandpaper on gadget aligning holes with dowels, then align
dowels with holes on ROS and seat paper.

Neat idea IMHO.

Lew


I never found it hard or necessary to align the holes that precicely.

Quite. If there is a problem, just stick a pencil into one hole on the
ROS and drop the sandpaper over that, through the corresponding hole
in the sandpaper disc. Aligning all the other holes is now merely a
matter of rotating the sheet.

Which direction is best, clockwise or counter clockwise? :)

Clockwise in the northern hemisphere, anti-clockwise in the southern.
What you do on the equator will probably invalidate your warranty.

A Cleaver Idea
 

J. Clarke wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Robatoy wrote:

There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side
is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side
isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter
which side you're on.

Designers should avoid that kind of ambiguity.

"This side toward enemy" is one example of doing it right.

As long as it also has the essential caveat "do not eat".

Or, for some military munitions, "Not a step"

A Cleaver Idea
 

"CW" wrote in message
m...

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...

"This side toward enemy" is one example of doing it right.


As seen on a Claymore mine.

someone who had a spa

http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/art...2landmine.html

c

UPDATE: A Cleaver Idea
 

HeyBub wrote:
Robatoy wrote:

There is always a down-side to marking things 'up-side'. The up-side
is that when marked 'up-side', the downside is that the down-side
isn't marked 'downside' in most cases. That holds true no matter
which side you're on.

Designers should avoid that kind of ambiguity.

"This side toward enemy" is one example of doing it right.

------------
"Somebody seems to have got the wrong idea about charitable donations -
after they left a land mine in a charity donation box, forcing the
evacuation of a mall in Colorado.

"The rectangular, olive-green box with the words 'Front Toward Enemy' raised
the suspicions of Goodwill workers...

http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article...9&in_page_id=2

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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:23:50 -0700, the infamous "CW"
scrawled the following:


"HeyBub" wrote in message
...

"This side toward enemy" is one example of doing it right.


As seen on a Claymore mine.

Claymores are my favorite "BB gun!" arr, arr, arr

--
The only reason I would take up exercising is
so that I could hear heavy breathing again.

A Cleaver Idea
 

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:14:31 -0700, the infamous David Nebenzahl
scrawled the following:

On 7/20/2009 7:18 PM Lew Hodgett spake thus:

Was watching an old "What is it" segment of "Ask this old house" the
other night.

A viewer had sent in a working prototype of his idea.

A circular piece of wood 1/2"-3/4" thick with a group of 3/8" dowel
pins projecting about 1/2" from a flat face.

I thought you were going to tell us how to make a knife.

Don't you mean "clever"?

I thought it was very Cleaver, Wally. (NOW do you get it?)
[OK, so you didn't get it. Wally Cleaver was The Beave's brother in
Leave it to Beaver, a '50s TV program.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wally_Cleaver


(How many others think Usenet is contributing to the decline and fall of
basic spelling abilities?)

Nah, I wouldn't say it was contributing, just _exposing_ all the
maroons out there. (Bugs Bunny slang for "morons")


--
The only reason I would take up exercising is
so that I could hear heavy breathing again.