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Spiral nails pulling out of deck
There are 6 or 8 spiral nails on our deck that will not stay down. The
boards are flat on the deck and do not appear to be cupped or warped. But, within about 3 months of driving the nails down, they are back up. Should I pull the nails and replace them with the next size larger spiral nail? Should I pull the nails and replace them with coated deck screws? -- Email hint - Everything after the @ is spelled backwards. There are only 10 types of people in the world: those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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There are 6 or 8 spiral nails on our deck that will not stay down. The boards are flat on the deck and do not appear to be cupped or warped. But, within about 3 months of driving the nails down, they are back up. Should I pull the nails and replace them with the next size larger spiral nail? If you go this route, you might try ring shank nails, or hot-dipped galvanized. Should I pull the nails and replace them with coated deck screws? Worth a try. Chris |
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"mg" wrote in message There are 6 or 8 spiral nails on our deck that will not stay down. The boards are flat on the deck and do not appear to be cupped or warped. But, within about 3 months of driving the nails down, they are back up. Aside from the suggestion to use ring shanked nails or deck screws, you might also want to investigate why the nails are coming up. It *could* be just because of general traffic, but it could also be because of especially warped wood or the fact that it bounces escessively when walked on. Are the supporting timbers all in good shape and reasonably flat on their edges? |
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"Upscale" wrote: "mg" wrote in message There are 6 or 8 spiral nails on our deck that will not stay down. The boards are flat on the deck and do not appear to be cupped or warped. But, within about 3 months of driving the nails down, they are back up. Aside from the suggestion to use ring shanked nails or deck screws, you might also want to investigate why the nails are coming up. It *could* be just because of general traffic, but it could also be because of especially warped wood or the fact that it bounces escessively when walked on. Are the supporting timbers all in good shape and reasonably flat on their edges? Here in the Sierra foothills a lot of delta rib metal roofing is used. On some roof one or two screws will work their way out again and again. No one [ including the mfgs.] has been able to come up with a rational explanation. You just have to check your roof every year, Chuck P. |
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Likely a temperature issue and a point / region that focuses the
heave forces of hot afternoon and freezing nights. Drives rocks from underground and such. I bet you could put a screw offset from it - two - both closer to the next ones - in thirds not in half - and the now free section might just heave but won't bring up the screws. Martin Pilgrim wrote: In article , "Upscale" wrote: "mg" wrote in message There are 6 or 8 spiral nails on our deck that will not stay down. The boards are flat on the deck and do not appear to be cupped or warped. But, within about 3 months of driving the nails down, they are back up. Aside from the suggestion to use ring shanked nails or deck screws, you might also want to investigate why the nails are coming up. It *could* be just because of general traffic, but it could also be because of especially warped wood or the fact that it bounces escessively when walked on. Are the supporting timbers all in good shape and reasonably flat on their edges? Here in the Sierra foothills a lot of delta rib metal roofing is used. On some roof one or two screws will work their way out again and again. No one [ including the mfgs.] has been able to come up with a rational explanation. You just have to check your roof every year, Chuck P. |
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"mg" wrote:
There are 6 or 8 spiral nails on our deck that will not stay down. The boards are flat on the deck and do not appear to be cupped or warped. But, within about 3 months of driving the nails down, they are back up. Should I pull the nails and replace them with the next size larger spiral nail? Should I pull the nails and replace them with coated deck screws? There is an old expression about fasteners "working" their way out, probably from expansion/contraction of the wood or from possible vibration. Your best chance will be deck screws, just be sure they are rated for exterior service. Lew |
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If you are going to use screws, use _stainless_.
Without regard to what others will say about coated deck screws, they do rust and causes holes where water will lay. Stainless may cost more but they can be reused - back them out and stick them somewhere else even 10 years later. Try that with a rusted deck screw. Might be that walking on the deck is causing the board to flex thereby lifting the nails. P D Q "mg" wrote in message ... There are 6 or 8 spiral nails on our deck that will not stay down. The boards are flat on the deck and do not appear to be cupped or warped. But, within about 3 months of driving the nails down, they are back up. Should I pull the nails and replace them with the next size larger spiral nail? Should I pull the nails and replace them with coated deck screws? -- Email hint - Everything after the @ is spelled backwards. There are only 10 types of people in the world: those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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"PDQ" writes:
Without regard to what others will say about coated deck screws, they do rust and causes holes where water will lay. Stainless may cost more...... Considerably more. Maybe even prohibitively more. Are preservative coatings an option? Since I'm currently refurbishing an old deck, I'd certainly be interested in this info. Thanks. nb |
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wrote: Considerably more. Maybe even prohibitively more. Spare me the bull ****. Deck Screws, #8x3", 18-8 S/S, $13.20/box (100 pcs) Jamestown Distributors Lew |
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On Jun 22, 4:24*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
wrote: Considerably more. *Maybe even prohibitively more. Spare me the bull ****. Deck Screws, #8x3", 18-8 S/S, $13.20/box (100 pcs) Jamestown Distributors Do it right, do it once, and all that. But I don't like stainless deck screws as much as the epoxy coated ones. The coated screws are much less likely to strip out the square drive recess than stainless screws. R |
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"RicodJour" wrote: ================================ Do it right, do it once, and all that. But I don't like stainless deck screws as much as the epoxy coated ones. The coated screws are much less likely to strip out the square drive recess than stainless screws. ================================= That's why pilot drills were invented. A MUST for S/S fasteners IMHO. Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" writes:
Spare me the bull ****. Deck Screws, #8x3", 18-8 S/S, $13.20/box (100 pcs) I'm on a fixed income and know next to nothing about carpentry fastener prices. You buying? If not, might I suggest you keep your ill mannered responses to yourself. nb |
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I'm on a fixed income and know next to nothing about carpentry fastener prices. Then why offer advice about a subject you know little about? As far as fixed income, what is the revelancy? Lew |
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On Jun 22, 11:31*am, mg wrote:
There are 6 or 8 spiral nails on our deck that will not stay down. The boards are flat on the deck and do not appear to be cupped or warped. But, within about 3 months of driving the nails down, they are back up. Should I pull the nails and replace them with the next size larger spiral nail? Should I pull the nails and replace them with coated deck screws? I replied to your post in another newsgroup. When you are asking one question that applies to a couple of three newsgroups, post only the one message. Otherwise people can't see all of the responses and there will be duplication, wasted time and effort. It's not spamming when you post to more than one group if it is applicable to the group. Thanks. R |
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On Monday, June 22, 2009 at 11:31:41 AM UTC-4, mg wrote:
There are 6 or 8 spiral nails on our deck that will not stay down. The boards are flat on the deck and do not appear to be cupped or warped. But, within about 3 months of driving the nails down, they are back up. I have used 3 inch drywall screws to build two buildings over ten years ago the screws are in the treated wood and are pulling out and building is falling down, I understand there was a law suit against the dry wall screw, does anyone know where I can find information on this Thanks Should I pull the nails and replace them with the next size larger spiral nail? Should I pull the nails and replace them with coated deck screws? -- Email hint - Everything after the @ is spelled backwards. There are only 10 types of people in the world: those that understand binary, and those that don't. |
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: I have used 3 inch drywall screws to build two buildings over ten years ago the screws are in the treated wood and are pulling out and building is falling down, I understand there was a law suit against the dry wall screw, does anyone know where I can find information on this Thanks Sounds like the wrong screw for the material. Drywall screws are for interior use in untreated wood. You need to use screws intended for treated lumber, it will say that on the box. I do remember the formula for treated wood was changed and it took the screw guys a little time to discover a problem and catch up. One, I think the older one, was called AC2. There was also a lawsuit against Chinese-sourced drywall, but it wasn't the screws at fault in that case. Puckdropper |
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On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 7:43:29 PM UTC-5, wrote:
wrote in : I have used 3 inch drywall screws to build two buildings over ten years ago the screws are in the treated wood and are pulling out and building is falling down, I understand there was a law suit against the dry wall screw, does anyone know where I can find information on this Thanks Sounds like the wrong screw for the material. Drywall screws are for interior use in untreated wood. You need to use screws intended for treated lumber, it will say that on the box. I do remember the formula for treated wood was changed and it took the screw guys a little time to discover a problem and catch up. One, I think the older one, was called AC2. There was also a lawsuit against Chinese-sourced drywall, but it wasn't the screws at fault in that case. Puckdropper Puck, no offense intended, here, but he's not asking about fixing his screwed-up (sic) (construction) building. The idiot is asking about a lawsuit. Oldfart(?), go fix your building correctly and stop your pansy-ass, looking to blame someone else, construction problems, on. Folks, here, aren't in tune with your kind of asinine ignorant mindset. Sonny |
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On 9/24/2016 11:24 PM, Sonny wrote:
I have used 3 inch drywall screws to build two buildings over ten years ago the screws are in the treated wood and are pulling out and building is falling down, I understand there was a law suit against the dry wall screw, does anyone know where I can find information on this Thanks Sounds like the wrong screw for the material. Drywall screws are for interior use in untreated wood. You need to use screws intended for treated lumber, it will say that on the box. I do remember the formula for treated wood was changed and it took the screw guys a little time to discover a problem and catch up. One, I think the older one, was called AC2. There was also a lawsuit against Chinese-sourced drywall, but it wasn't the screws at fault in that case. Puckdropper Puck, no offense intended, here, but he's not asking about fixing his screwed-up (sic) (construction) building. The idiot is asking about a lawsuit. Oldfart(?), go fix your building correctly and stop your pansy-ass, looking to blame someone else, construction problems, on. Folks, here, aren't in tune with your kind of asinine ignorant mindset. Sonny Sounds like there could be a lawsuit but he may end up as the defendant. Using drywall screws to build a deck is negligence. |
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On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 11:24:45 PM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:
On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 7:43:29 PM UTC-5, wrote: wrote in : I have used 3 inch drywall screws to build two buildings over ten years ago the screws are in the treated wood and are pulling out and building is falling down, I understand there was a law suit against the dry wall screw, does anyone know where I can find information on this Thanks Sounds like the wrong screw for the material. Drywall screws are for interior use in untreated wood. You need to use screws intended for treated lumber, it will say that on the box. I do remember the formula for treated wood was changed and it took the screw guys a little time to discover a problem and catch up. One, I think the older one, was called AC2. There was also a lawsuit against Chinese-sourced drywall, but it wasn't the screws at fault in that case. Puckdropper Puck, no offense intended, here, but he's not asking about fixing his screwed-up (sic) (construction) building. The idiot is asking about a lawsuit. Oldfart(?), go fix your building correctly and stop your pansy-ass, looking to blame someone else, construction problems, on. Folks, here, aren't in tune with your kind of asinine ignorant mindset. Sonny Lawsuit? Nah. Troll? Yep. Don't get sucked in. |
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