A few years ago, I sold my table saw. An old Delta, It wasn't all
that good to begin with and after 10 years or so of service it didn't
fill the bill any longer.

It was an amazing thing to me, even as a remodeling contractor,
sometimes cabinet maker, how little I missed it. I can buy all rail
and stile sized stock at the local hardwoods supplier in the common
sizes for doors and cabinet faces.

I usually took down my sheet goods with a saw and guides anyway, and
the only time I really missed it was ripping shelving, or different
pieces of trim. For that, it was indispensable for accuracy, ease of
use and time saved.

I have a project now where I need to do a lot of ripping. A friend of
mine is now an "industrial arts" teacher at a local high school. They
just got a new SawStop with all the bells and whistles. We had been
looking for a reason for me to go use it to try it out, and it came
this week.

All I can say is WOW. I mean, WOW.

The saw is rock solid. About the only sound you hear is the teeth
whizzing through the air as the saw makes little sound.

The control wheels are large, heavy duty metal, and adjust very easily
and precisely. It has a slow start motor on it, but it is up to speed
almost instantly. When running, there is NO vibration, I mean NONE.

The saw top was almost polished, and had a nice clean satin finish to
it. With the cast iron wings on it, the table top was large and
comfortable to use. There were no lap marks on it, but it appeared to
be flat as a pancake. I would say polished to about 400 grit or so.

The rip fence was great. Looking a lot like the old Biesemeyers, it
was a nice boxy affair that locked up tightly and accurately. Several
attempts to check it repeatability were really impressive. I moved
the fence from the sides, the from the ends and deliberately tried to
lock down the fence out of parallel alignment to the blade. No way.
It might have thrown off the measurements, but it never locked down
incorrectly. And using the tape on the rails, the fence locked down
exactly in the same place every time. I checked this out by setting
the measurement on the fence, then checking it with my stainless 12"
ruler. Same every time.

The miter gauge.... well, it was a miter gauge. It did its job, but
actually looked like all the rest of them out there.

The on/off paddle was placed in the area where you can bump it with
your leg to turn it off in case of emergency. The paddle is large and
obtrusive, so of course I did shut the saw off a couple of times
without meaning to. On my old Delta, you had to lean over, reach
under the table, and mash the button to turn it off.

It was a challenge for me to keep from bumping the paddle as I have a
habit of leaning over and way from the projection zone as the first
table saws I learned on as a kid we set the rip fences with a ruler.
With a dull blade and an inaccurate rip fence set measurement, you
could shoot an 8' 2x4 thirty feet or so if you weren't careful. Small
stuff was downright dicey if something was askew. I learned early
that body position was very important in table saw use - I never
wanted to join the girl's choir.

I would have to work around that switch or move it, I'm not sure
which.

The painted areas are all thick, hard black enamel. It not only looks
good to the eye, but the finish looked good in application. Several
of the larger stationary tools I have looked at lately look to me to
have been dipped in paint, and the excess allowed to drip off. This
particular saw was very nicely finished on all parts - a nice
surprise. I think the cabinet pieces and the rails and other
components were sprayed.

I was ripping some 2" thick Jatoba, Mesquite, and some Bolivian
Rosewood when I tested this saw. (This is why I wanted to use a nice
tablesaw, this stuff was waaaayyyy too expensive to waste even an 1/8"
anywhere!) He had a cheapo DeWalt 10" multipurpose blade on the saw
(remember - think high school kids/idiots) for normal use. It spun
this blade so well there were almost no saw marks anywhere.

We all know you can do really nice work with a fairly good table saw
if you have a nice blade and the saw is tuned up. But with a lousy
blade, you are up against it, no matter the quality of the machine.
Even with that nasty little blade, the saw never balked, slowed down,
or showed any kind of sign that it was cutting kiln dried hardwoods.
No burn marks, no chatter, no "pushing back" from the saw, nothing.

Out of all the saws I have used over all the years I have been doing
woodworking for a living, this has to be the most impressive.
Previously, my favorite was the top end Delta that I used about 6 - 7
years ago. I wouldn't want to make a decision between that saw and
this one. In the end, I think the fit and finish were about even.

If someone is looking for a saw and you can swing the extra dough, I
would sure take a look at this saw from the quality standpoint. Of
course the safety features are great (this is why they had this saw in
a school) but I was really blown away by the utility value of this
machine.

Robert

wrote in message
...
A few years ago, I sold my table saw. An old Delta, It wasn't all
that good to begin with and after 10 years or so of service it didn't
fill the bill any longer.

It was an amazing thing to me, even as a remodeling contractor,
sometimes cabinet maker, how little I missed it. I can buy all rail
and stile sized stock at the local hardwoods supplier in the common
sizes for doors and cabinet faces.

I usually took down my sheet goods with a saw and guides anyway, and
the only time I really missed it was ripping shelving, or different
pieces of trim. For that, it was indispensable for accuracy, ease of
use and time saved.

I have a project now where I need to do a lot of ripping. A friend of
mine is now an "industrial arts" teacher at a local high school. They
just got a new SawStop with all the bells and whistles. We had been
looking for a reason for me to go use it to try it out, and it came
this week.

All I can say is WOW. I mean, WOW.

The saw is rock solid. About the only sound you hear is the teeth
whizzing through the air as the saw makes little sound.

The control wheels are large, heavy duty metal, and adjust very easily
and precisely. It has a slow start motor on it, but it is up to speed
almost instantly. When running, there is NO vibration, I mean NONE.

The saw top was almost polished, and had a nice clean satin finish to
it. With the cast iron wings on it, the table top was large and
comfortable to use. There were no lap marks on it, but it appeared to
be flat as a pancake. I would say polished to about 400 grit or so.

The rip fence was great. Looking a lot like the old Biesemeyers, it
was a nice boxy affair that locked up tightly and accurately. Several
attempts to check it repeatability were really impressive. I moved
the fence from the sides, the from the ends and deliberately tried to
lock down the fence out of parallel alignment to the blade. No way.
It might have thrown off the measurements, but it never locked down
incorrectly. And using the tape on the rails, the fence locked down
exactly in the same place every time. I checked this out by setting
the measurement on the fence, then checking it with my stainless 12"
ruler. Same every time.

The miter gauge.... well, it was a miter gauge. It did its job, but
actually looked like all the rest of them out there.

The on/off paddle was placed in the area where you can bump it with
your leg to turn it off in case of emergency. The paddle is large and
obtrusive, so of course I did shut the saw off a couple of times
without meaning to. On my old Delta, you had to lean over, reach
under the table, and mash the button to turn it off.

It was a challenge for me to keep from bumping the paddle as I have a
habit of leaning over and way from the projection zone as the first
table saws I learned on as a kid we set the rip fences with a ruler.
With a dull blade and an inaccurate rip fence set measurement, you
could shoot an 8' 2x4 thirty feet or so if you weren't careful. Small
stuff was downright dicey if something was askew. I learned early
that body position was very important in table saw use - I never
wanted to join the girl's choir.

I would have to work around that switch or move it, I'm not sure
which.

The painted areas are all thick, hard black enamel. It not only looks
good to the eye, but the finish looked good in application. Several
of the larger stationary tools I have looked at lately look to me to
have been dipped in paint, and the excess allowed to drip off. This
particular saw was very nicely finished on all parts - a nice
surprise. I think the cabinet pieces and the rails and other
components were sprayed.

I was ripping some 2" thick Jatoba, Mesquite, and some Bolivian
Rosewood when I tested this saw. (This is why I wanted to use a nice
tablesaw, this stuff was waaaayyyy too expensive to waste even an 1/8"
anywhere!) He had a cheapo DeWalt 10" multipurpose blade on the saw
(remember - think high school kids/idiots) for normal use. It spun
this blade so well there were almost no saw marks anywhere.

We all know you can do really nice work with a fairly good table saw
if you have a nice blade and the saw is tuned up. But with a lousy
blade, you are up against it, no matter the quality of the machine.
Even with that nasty little blade, the saw never balked, slowed down,
or showed any kind of sign that it was cutting kiln dried hardwoods.
No burn marks, no chatter, no "pushing back" from the saw, nothing.

Out of all the saws I have used over all the years I have been doing
woodworking for a living, this has to be the most impressive.
Previously, my favorite was the top end Delta that I used about 6 - 7
years ago. I wouldn't want to make a decision between that saw and
this one. In the end, I think the fit and finish were about even.

If someone is looking for a saw and you can swing the extra dough, I
would sure take a look at this saw from the quality standpoint. Of
course the safety features are great (this is why they had this saw in
a school) but I was really blown away by the utility value of this
machine.

Robert

Damn Robert, it is hard to read your review while drooling. I am getting a
hard case of tool envy.

It is good to see that you can still buy quality. Even if you have to pay
extra for it. Where are these things manufactured? Kudos on a great tool
review.

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...

Damn Robert, it is hard to read your review while drooling. I am getting
a hard case of tool envy.

It is good to see that you can still buy quality. Even if you have to pay
extra for it. Where are these things manufactured? Kudos on a great tool
review.


IIRC the first prototypes looked very similar to the PM66. I think that
they could be made in Taiwan.

Apparently they now have prototypes of a band saw, a cut-off saw, a miter
saw, and a hand-held circular saw.

http://www.sawstop.com/future/future...uture_home.php

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...
Snip



All I can say is WOW. I mean, WOW.



Thanks for the review Robert, I have not had the privilege of using one yet
but felt the same way the first time I first was able to touch and fondle
the Industrial model at the local Woodcraft. They apparently have a bit
less expensive "Pro" cabinet saw soon to be available. I saw it at the WW
show.

On May 9, 5:04 am, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:

Damn Robert, it is hard to read your review while drooling. I am getting a
hard case of tool envy.

I rarely have tool envy, and haven't had it for years. It has been a
long time since I have had it over stationary tools. But it was
immediate and bad after I got over my amazement with this machine.

My buddy has just renewed his contract with the district, so I will
probably have fairly good access to this saw when I want for the price
of a burger and coke around lunch time.

It is good to see that you can still buy quality. Even if you have to pay
extra for it. Where are these things manufactured?

I think Leon is right, they are made in Taiwan. He was able to get an
"institutional" discount when purchasing the saw of 10%, so the saw
was about $2700 with everything I described (including those nice cast
iron wings) and and extra large fence and table extension to the right
side of the table.

Kudos on a great tool review.

Thanks!

Robert

" wrote in news:3f59f6b9-
:

He was able to get an
"institutional" discount when purchasing the saw of 10%,

If he is with a high school, there probably won't be sales or use tax
either, which here in Jersey is 7% ...

--
Best regards
Han
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wrote in message
...
On May 9, 5:04 am, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:

Damn Robert, it is hard to read your review while drooling. I am getting
a
hard case of tool envy.

I rarely have tool envy, and haven't had it for years. It has been a
long time since I have had it over stationary tools. But it was
immediate and bad after I got over my amazement with this machine.

Have you gotten over the "shakes" yet?


My buddy has just renewed his contract with the district, so I will
probably have fairly good access to this saw when I want for the price
of a burger and coke around lunch time.

Yeah they let you have it for free the first time, to get you hooked. Now
you are going to have to pay for your fix. LOL


It is good to see that you can still buy quality. Even if you have to
pay
extra for it. Where are these things manufactured?

I think Leon is right, they are made in Taiwan. He was able to get an
"institutional" discount when purchasing the saw of 10%, so the saw
was about $2700 with everything I described (including those nice cast
iron wings) and and extra large fence and table extension to the right
side of the table.

And to tell you the truth that is not that far out of line considering a
new JET Exacta retails for $2100 and the PM2000 is the same price on Amazon,
and the new Delta Unisaw is more than that at Woodcraft.

On May 9, 7:26 am, "Leon" wrote:

Thanks for the review Robert, I have not had the privilege of using one yet
but felt the same way the first time

My pleasure.

I first was able to touch and fondle
the Industrial model at the local Woodcraft. They apparently have a bit
less expensive "Pro" cabinet saw soon to be available. I saw it at the WW
show.

I would love to see it. If they stick to their guns and make another
fine machine, the temptation to buy would be pretty damn ugly. It has
been a long time since I have just wanted a tool.

If you only observed and checked out the controls on the machine, you
need to find one you can use.

All these years I had heard they were good machines, but never really
paid much attention to them as I got tired of the constant whining and
bitching about their business practices, and whether or not the extra
safety features were for weenies. When I saw a blog or forum entry
anywhere on Saw Stop I just skipped it.

I had seen them in Woodcraft, but never even took the time to look
them over. Actually using one is what got my attention. I have seen
saws that have great fences, but the rest of the saw was just so-so.
I have seen saws that work great and operate great, but come with "OK"
fences.

I just haven't seen the whole package come together with no apparent
compromises like this in a really long time, and the reason I
commented here was I was just so damn surprised!

I asked him if I could buy my own blade to put on the saw when I used
it, and he was completely fine with it. Now THAT would be worth a
good look! Just a thought if you are actually curious enough to
pursue it, the Woodcraft here in town will let you cut a board or two
under supervision in their teaching shop if they "think" you are
serious about buying. It would be worth "thinking" that whether you
were or not just to test drive it.

Robert

wrote

I asked him if I could buy my own blade to put on the saw when I used
it, and he was completely fine with it.

Now that is a visual!

Robert sneaking into the school with a stainless steel Haliburton handcuffed
to his wrist. He opens the breifcase and produces a shiny, new Woodworker
II blade and loving installs it on this new wonder saw. He uses the saw. He
then carefully takes back his prized blade and reinstalls the old, junk
blade.

He then puts his back his wonder blade into its secure home. He then sneaks
off of campus with his secretly cut wood and trusty saw blade safe. He
stops off at a bar to get a drink to calm his nerves after fondling the new
wondersaw.

LOL!!

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.

On May 9, 1:19*pm, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:
wrote

I asked him if I could buy my own blade to put on the saw when I used
it, and he was completely fine with it.

Now that is a visual!

Robert sneaking into the school with a stainless steel Haliburton handcuffed
to his wrist. *He opens the breifcase and produces a shiny, new Woodworker
II blade and loving installs it on this new wonder saw. *

He smiles as he looks at the small refrigerated compartment where he
keeps his test wiener.
"One day" he smiles to himself, "I'm going to do the test..."

He uses the saw. He
then carefully takes back his prized blade and reinstalls the old, junk
blade.

He then puts his back his wonder blade into its secure home. *He then sneaks
off of campus with his secretly cut wood and trusty saw blade safe. *He
stops off at a bar to get a drink to calm his nerves after fondling the new
wondersaw.

LOL!!

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.

It's hard, eh?

On May 9, 4:47*am, "
wrote:
A few years ago, I sold my table saw. *An old Delta, It wasn't all
that good to begin with and after 10 years or so of service it didn't
fill the bill any longer.

It was an amazing thing to me, even as a remodeling contractor,
sometimes cabinet maker, how little I missed it. *I can buy all rail
and stile sized stock at the local hardwoods supplier in the common
sizes for doors and cabinet faces.

I usually took down my sheet goods with a saw and guides anyway, and
the only time I really missed it was ripping shelving, or different
pieces of trim. *For that, it was indispensable for accuracy, ease of
use and time saved.

I have a project now where I need to do a lot of ripping. *A friend of
mine is now an "industrial arts" teacher at a local high school. *They
just got a new SawStop with all the bells and whistles. *We had been
looking for a reason for me to go use it to try it out, and it came
this week.

All I can say is WOW. *I mean, WOW.

The saw is rock solid. *About the only sound you hear is the teeth
whizzing through the air as the saw makes little sound.

The control wheels are large, heavy duty metal, and adjust very easily
and precisely. *It has a slow start motor on it, but it is up to speed
almost instantly. *When running, there is NO vibration, I mean NONE.

The saw top was almost polished, and had a nice clean satin finish to
it. *With the cast iron wings on it, the table top was large and
comfortable to use. *There were no lap marks on it, but it appeared to
be flat as a pancake. *I would say polished to about 400 grit or so.

The rip fence was great. *Looking a lot like the old Biesemeyers, it
was a nice boxy affair that locked up tightly and accurately. *Several
attempts to check it repeatability were really impressive. *I moved
the fence from the sides, the from the ends and deliberately tried to
lock down the fence out of parallel alignment to the blade. *No way.
It might have thrown off the measurements, but it never locked down
incorrectly. *And using the tape on the rails, the fence locked down
exactly in the same place every time. *I checked this out by setting
the measurement on the fence, then checking it with my stainless 12"
ruler. *Same every time.

The miter gauge.... well, it was a miter gauge. *It did its job, but
actually looked like all the rest of them out there.

The on/off paddle was placed in the area where you can bump it with
your leg to turn it off in case of emergency. *The paddle is large and
obtrusive, so of course I did shut the saw off a couple of times
without meaning to. *On my old Delta, you had to lean over, reach
under the table, and mash the button to turn it off.

It was a challenge for me to keep from bumping the paddle as I have a
habit of leaning over and way from the projection zone as the first
table saws I learned on as a kid we set the rip fences with a ruler.
With a dull blade and an inaccurate rip fence set measurement, you
could shoot an 8' 2x4 thirty feet or so if you weren't careful. *Small
stuff was downright dicey if something was askew. *I learned early
that body position was very important in table saw use - I never
wanted to join the girl's choir.

I would have to work around that switch or move it, I'm not sure
which.

The painted areas are all thick, hard black enamel. *It not only looks
good to the eye, but the finish looked good in application. *Several
of the larger stationary *tools I have looked at lately look to me to
have been dipped in paint, and the excess allowed to drip off. *This
particular saw was very nicely finished on all parts - a nice
surprise. *I think the cabinet pieces and the rails and other
components were sprayed.

I was ripping some 2" thick Jatoba, Mesquite, and some Bolivian
Rosewood when I tested this saw. *(This is why I wanted to use a nice
tablesaw, this stuff was waaaayyyy too expensive to waste even an 1/8"
anywhere!) *He had a cheapo DeWalt 10" multipurpose blade on the saw
(remember - think high school kids/idiots) for normal use. * It spun
this blade so well there were almost no saw marks anywhere.

We all know you can do really nice work with a fairly good table saw
if you have a nice blade and the saw is tuned up. *But with a lousy
blade, you are up against it, no matter the quality of the machine.
Even with that nasty little blade, the saw never balked, slowed down,
or showed any kind of sign that it was cutting kiln dried hardwoods.
No burn marks, no chatter, no "pushing back" from the saw, nothing.

Out of all the saws I have used over all the years I have been doing
woodworking for a living, this has to be the most impressive.
Previously, my favorite was the top end Delta that I used about 6 - 7
years ago. *I wouldn't want to make a decision between that saw and
this one. *In the end, I think the fit and finish were about even.

If someone is looking for a saw and you can swing the extra dough, I
would sure take a look at this saw from the quality standpoint. *Of
course the safety features are great (this is why they had this saw in
a school) but I was really blown away by the utility value of this
machine.

Robert

I recently read a similar review from a forum-mate. He thought it was
an amazing piece of equipment as well.
I will get to use the same saw some time this summer as I venture out
his way. (Also a school, btw.)
Your review adds that much more credibility to that tool. Thanks for
sharing.

Now I go change my bib.

r

wrote in message
...
On May 9, 7:26 am, "Leon" wrote:

Thanks for the review Robert, I have not had the privilege of using one
yet
but felt the same way the first time

My pleasure.

I first was able to touch and fondle
the Industrial model at the local Woodcraft. They apparently have a bit
less expensive "Pro" cabinet saw soon to be available. I saw it at the
WW
show.

I would love to see it. If they stick to their guns and make another
fine machine, the temptation to buy would be pretty damn ugly. It has
been a long time since I have just wanted a tool.

Their site shows the 4 versions that they are currently making, newest just
before the the latest cabinet saw is a contractors saw that has a portable
mobile base for easier construction site mobility.

http://www.sawstop.com/contractor/contractor_home.php



If you only observed and checked out the controls on the machine, you
need to find one you can use.

I know I need to. ;!) Problem is, I have a cabinet saw now and I suspect
it is not going to wear out. Now if some one were to make me an offer I
think I would be all over the SawStop.


All these years I had heard they were good machines, but never really
paid much attention to them as I got tired of the constant whining and
bitching about their business practices, and whether or not the extra
safety features were for weenies. When I saw a blog or forum entry
anywhere on Saw Stop I just skipped it.

Yeah, I was one of the early defenders, having a some what vested interest
in the saw technology I was looking into it 8-9 years ago. Having whacked
off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade would
"stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
earlier I would still have all of my thumb.




I had seen them in Woodcraft, but never even took the time to look
them over. Actually using one is what got my attention. I have seen
saws that have great fences, but the rest of the saw was just so-so.
I have seen saws that work great and operate great, but come with "OK"
fences.

I just haven't seen the whole package come together with no apparent
compromises like this in a really long time, and the reason I
commented here was I was just so damn surprised!

All those quality features and a riving knife.



I asked him if I could buy my own blade to put on the saw when I used
it, and he was completely fine with it. Now THAT would be worth a
good look! Just a thought if you are actually curious enough to
pursue it, the Woodcraft here in town will let you cut a board or two
under supervision in their teaching shop if they "think" you are
serious about buying. It would be worth "thinking" that whether you
were or not just to test drive it.

Yeah my local Woodcraft has one in the class room also. I think I could
talk them into letting me test drive it with out much effort. I am afraid
that the attraction I would experience would be similar to yours, and I
don't forsee being in the market. BUT!!! IMHO it is only a matter of time
before a user is injured on a TS especially if they use one regularily. I
think it is more a matter of "when" not "if". And given that school of
thought the saw could be twice the price and it would still be a bargain
when considering pain and suffering, medical expenses and rehab.

On May 9, 1:45*pm, "Leon" wrote:

*Problem is, I have a cabinet saw now and I suspect
it is not going to wear out. *Now if some one were to make me an offer I
think I would be all over the SawStop.


All they need to do now is to add a sliding 10' table and a scoring
blade, and I could be in the market in 2 years. G

Leon wrote:
wrote


off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade would
"stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
earlier I would still have all of my thumb.

Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good
enough to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?

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Last update: 10/22/08
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"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On May 9, 1:45 pm, "Leon" wrote:

Problem is, I have a cabinet saw now and I suspect
it is not going to wear out. Now if some one were to make me an offer I
think I would be all over the SawStop.


All they need to do now is to add a sliding 10' table and a scoring
blade, and I could be in the market in 2 years. G



Yeah I also have the major hots for the Laguna sliding table saw but I
really don't have the room.

"Swingman" wrote in message
...
Leon wrote:
wrote


off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade would
"stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
earlier I would still have all of my thumb.

Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good enough
to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?


That's cuz we don't use our thumbs, we use our point'n finger and that 2
year old set of D cells.

On May 9, 12:19*pm, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:
wrote

I asked him if I could buy my own blade to put on the saw when I used
it, and he was completely fine with it.

Now that is a visual!

Robert sneaking into the school with a stainless steel Haliburton handcuffed
to his wrist. *He opens the breifcase and produces a shiny, new Woodworker
II blade and loving installs it on this new wonder saw. *He uses the saw. He
then carefully takes back his prized blade and reinstalls the old, junk
blade.

He then puts his back his wonder blade into its secure home. *He then sneaks
off of campus with his secretly cut wood and trusty saw blade safe. *He
stops off at a bar to get a drink to calm his nerves after fondling the new
wondersaw.

LOL!!

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.

Don't laugh....

That's EXACTLY how I envisioned it!!

(I'm actually being serious here....)

;^0

Robert

On May 9, 3:33*pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message

...

Leon wrote:
wrote

off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade would
"stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
earlier I would still have all of my thumb.

Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good enough
to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?

That's cuz we don't use our thumbs, we use our point'n finger and that 2
year old set of D cells.

5 decks? Ya need a shuffler.

On May 9, 3:29*pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

...
On May 9, 1:45 pm, "Leon" wrote:

Problem is, I have a cabinet saw now and I suspect
it is not going to wear out. Now if some one were to make me an offer I
think I would be all over the SawStop.

All they need to do now is to add a sliding 10' table and a scoring
blade, and I could be in the market in 2 years. G

Yeah I also have the major hots for the Laguna sliding table saw but I
really don't have the room.

I'd be happy with one of those Mini Max SC3W. But space is an issue
till next spring.

On May 9, 12:28*pm, Robatoy wrote:

He smiles as he looks at the small refrigerated compartment where he
keeps his test wiener.
"One day" he smiles to himself, "I'm going to do the test..."

You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. In talking to
my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
very dramatic.

I can only imagine the disturbance it will make when one of his
knotheaded kids sets that thing off.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall.

Robert

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On May 9, 3:29 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

...
On May 9, 1:45 pm, "Leon" wrote:

Problem is, I have a cabinet saw now and I suspect
it is not going to wear out. Now if some one were to make me an offer I
think I would be all over the SawStop.

All they need to do now is to add a sliding 10' table and a scoring
blade, and I could be in the market in 2 years. G

Yeah I also have the major hots for the Laguna sliding table saw but I
really don't have the room.

I'd be happy with one of those Mini Max SC3W. But space is an issue
till next spring.

This one absolutely makes me HOT!
http://www.lagunatools.com/panelsaw.signature.aspx

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On May 9, 3:33 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message

...

Leon wrote:
wrote

off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade
would
"stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
earlier I would still have all of my thumb.

Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good
enough
to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?

That's cuz we don't use our thumbs, we use our point'n finger and that 2
year old set of D cells.

5 decks? Ya need a shuffler.


Got one! It uses 2 D cells and pressure from your point'n finger to hold
the switch down. :~)

On May 9, 5:50*pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

...
On May 9, 3:29 pm, "Leon" wrote:

"Robatoy" wrote in message

....
On May 9, 1:45 pm, "Leon" wrote:

Problem is, I have a cabinet saw now and I suspect
it is not going to wear out. Now if some one were to make me an offer I
think I would be all over the SawStop.

All they need to do now is to add a sliding 10' table and a scoring
blade, and I could be in the market in 2 years. G

Yeah I also have the major hots for the Laguna sliding table saw but I
really don't have the room.

I'd be happy with one of those Mini Max SC3W. But space is an issue
till next spring.

This one absolutely makes me HOT!http://www.lagunatools.com/panelsaw.signature.aspx

25 grand more than the MiniMax....
That Laguna better be sawing a LOT of panels, 2 shifts daily 5 day a
week...and feeding a crew of 30 to build and install cabinets..LOL

On May 9, 5:51*pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

...
On May 9, 3:33 pm, "Leon" wrote:



"Swingman" wrote in message

m...

Leon wrote:
wrote

off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade
would
"stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
earlier I would still have all of my thumb.

Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good
enough
to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?

That's cuz we don't use our thumbs, we use our point'n finger and that 2
year old set of D cells.

5 decks? Ya need a shuffler.

Got one! *It uses 2 D cells and pressure from your point'n finger to hold
the switch down. *:~)

I miss that more than anything. Angela and I used to play with my
parents, at least once a week. We even had a proper Canasta Trophy.
Neither parent has the patience or the facilities to follow the game
anymore.

Leon wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On May 9, 3:33 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message

...

Leon wrote:
wrote
off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade
would
"stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
earlier I would still have all of my thumb.
Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good
enough
to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?
That's cuz we don't use our thumbs, we use our point'n finger and that 2
year old set of D cells.

5 decks? Ya need a shuffler.


Got one! It uses 2 D cells and pressure from your point'n finger to hold
the switch down. :~)

Got two! ... you forget we're covering two states now, for the Canasta
Queen Belle Ball, lakeside.


--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On May 9, 5:32*pm, "
wrote:
On May 9, 12:28*pm, Robatoy wrote:

He smiles as he looks at the small refrigerated compartment where he
keeps his test wiener.
"One day" he smiles to himself, "I'm going to do the test..."

You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. *In talking to
my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
very dramatic.

I should imagine. That's a lot of energy getting dumped in a short
period of time.

On May 9, 6:20*pm, Swingman wrote:
Leon wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message
....
On May 9, 3:33 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message

om...

Leon wrote:
wrote
off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade
would
"stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
earlier I would still have all of my thumb.
Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good
enough
to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?
That's cuz we don't use our thumbs, we use our point'n finger and that 2
year old set of D cells.

5 decks? Ya need a shuffler.

Got one! *It uses 2 D cells and pressure from your point'n finger to hold
the switch down. *:~)

Got two! ... you forget we're covering two states now, for the Canasta
Queen Belle Ball, lakeside.

--www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

(Don't tell anybody, but with a small mod, you can insert the
batteries backwards, with some interesting results.)

Robatoy wrote:
On May 9, 5:51 pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

...
On May 9, 3:33 pm, "Leon" wrote:



"Swingman" wrote in message
...
Leon wrote:
wrote
off half of my thumb 20 years ago I inquired to learn if the blade
would
"stop" after the motor was turned off, it does and had this saw been
available 6 years earlier I probably would have bought it and 15 years
earlier I would still have all of my thumb.
Problem is, with 3.75 thumbs between us we still can't shuffle good
enough
to beat the Canasta queens ... tennis, anyone?
That's cuz we don't use our thumbs, we use our point'n finger and that 2
year old set of D cells.
5 decks? Ya need a shuffler.

Got one! It uses 2 D cells and pressure from your point'n finger to hold
the switch down. :~)

I miss that more than anything. Angela and I used to play with my
parents, at least once a week. We even had a proper Canasta Trophy.
Neither parent has the patience or the facilities to follow the game
anymore.

We play once a week (but two, of the four, participants would rather be
in the shop) and, if we ever quit, I may even miss getting my butt
kicked on a statistically significant basis ...once a week.

That said, it's the company that counts ...

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On May 9, 5:32 pm, "
wrote:
On May 9, 12:28 pm, Robatoy wrote:

He smiles as he looks at the small refrigerated compartment where he
keeps his test wiener.
"One day" he smiles to himself, "I'm going to do the test..."

You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. In talking to
my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
very dramatic.

I should imagine. That's a lot of energy getting dumped in a short
period of time.
------------------------------------------

Not to mention what happens in the pants of the guy who sticks his finger
into the blade.

On May 9, 8:49*pm, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

...
On May 9, 5:32 pm, "
wrote:

On May 9, 12:28 pm, Robatoy wrote:

He smiles as he looks at the small refrigerated compartment where he
keeps his test wiener.
"One day" he smiles to himself, "I'm going to do the test..."

You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. In talking to
my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
very dramatic.

I should imagine. That's a lot of energy getting dumped in a short
period of time.
------------------------------------------

Not to mention what happens in the pants of the guy who sticks his finger
into the blade.

As I said: "That's a lot of energy getting dumped.......LOL

On Sat, 9 May 2009 14:32:18 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. In talking to
my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
very dramatic.

I can only imagine the disturbance it will make when one of his
knotheaded kids sets that thing off.

Not nearly as big a disturbance, I'd guess, as the one made when said
knotheaded kid runs his hand into a non-saw-stopped saw. My
observation is that there is a *lot* of activity going on right after
that action!

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

My laptop knows me too well - it just announced "your battery is low!"

Leon,

I brought mine home a few weeks ago. My wife has been hearing me talk about
it for years. When she was working with me at a woodshow last month she saw
me demo it and also did a demo herself. She insisted I get one.

I hated getting rid of my old CDN made Unisaw, but this is one kick ass
table saw aside from the safety features.

David.

This one absolutely makes me HOT!
http://www.lagunatools.com/panelsaw.signature.aspx


And only 338 hundred. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

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Lee Michaels wrote:
You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. In talking to
my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
very dramatic.

I should imagine. That's a lot of energy getting dumped in a short
period of time.
------------------------------------------

Not to mention what happens in the pants of the guy who sticks his finger
into the blade.


It's the aural equivalent of a slap to the back of the head. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

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Lee Michaels wrote:


"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On May 9, 5:32 pm, "
wrote:
On May 9, 12:28 pm, Robatoy wrote:

He smiles as he looks at the small refrigerated compartment where he
keeps his test wiener.
"One day" he smiles to himself, "I'm going to do the test..."

You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. In talking to
my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
very dramatic.

I should imagine. That's a lot of energy getting dumped in a short
period of time.
------------------------------------------

Not to mention what happens in the pants of the guy who sticks his finger
into the blade.

Actually, from the description of the injury (minor abrasion), the person
who actuates the stop is going to be more jarred by the noise than the
incident. Which is a good thing.


--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

On Sat, 09 May 2009 17:57:28 -0700, Tim Douglass
wrote:

On Sat, 9 May 2009 14:32:18 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

You have to know I am dying to see that thing fire off. In talking to
my Woodcraft buddy, he said the blade/motor stop is quite loud and
very dramatic.

I can only imagine the disturbance it will make when one of his
knotheaded kids sets that thing off.

Not nearly as big a disturbance, I'd guess, as the one made when said
knotheaded kid runs his hand into a non-saw-stopped saw. My
observation is that there is a *lot* of activity going on right after
that action!

The problem would be when the kids know what is going to happen and do
it intentionally, either just to cause trouble or on a dare. At least
$100 every time to replace the unit and cheap blade.

The first thing I'd do is remove or paint over everything that said
Sawstop on it and just not tell them.


-Kevin

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
m...
Not to mention what happens in the pants of the guy who sticks his finger
into the blade.

Actually, from the description of the injury (minor abrasion), the person
who actuates the stop is going to be more jarred by the noise than the
incident. Which is a good thing.


Well if it is an "old school" school, the slap of the blade will be followed
by a delayed whack of the pants backside by the shop made paddle.

"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...
This one absolutely makes me HOT!
http://www.lagunatools.com/panelsaw.signature.aspx

And only 338 hundred. :-)

That actually sounds better.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...

(Don't tell anybody, but with a small mod, you can insert the
batteries backwards, with some interesting results.)


That might change the monotony of loosing to the queens most every week.

"David F. Eisan" wrote in message
...
Leon,

I brought mine home a few weeks ago. My wife has been hearing me talk
about it for years. When she was working with me at a woodshow last month
she saw me demo it and also did a demo herself. She insisted I get one.

I hated getting rid of my old CDN made Unisaw, but this is one kick ass
table saw aside from the safety features.

David.


You are my hero David! Which model did you get?