Newspaper 2029

HEADLINES FROM THE YEAR: 2029

Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in the seventh largest
country in the world, Mexifornia, formerly known as California .

White minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexifornia's
third language.

Spotted Owl plague threatens northwesternUnited States crops and livestock.

Baby conceived naturally! Scientists stumped.

Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage.

Iran still closed off; physicists estimate it will take at least 10 more
years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels.

France pleads for global help after being taken over by Lichtenstein. No
other country comes forward to help the beleaguered nation!

Castro finally dies at age 112; Cuban cigars can now be imported legally,
but President Chelsea Clinton has banned all smoking.

George Z. Bush says he will run for President in 2036.

Postal Service raises price of first class stamp to $17.89 and reduces mail
delivery to Wednesdays only.

85-year $75.8 billion study: Diet and exercise is the key to weight loss.

Average weight of Americans drops to 250 lbs.

Global cooling blamed for citrus crop failure for third consecutive year in
Mexifornia and Floruba.

THIS ONE IS REALLY GOOD
Japanese scientists have created a camera with such a fast shutter speed
they now can photograph a woman with her mouth shut.

Abortion clinics now available in every High School in United States

Senate still blocking drilling in ANWR even though gas is selling for 4532
Pesos per liter and gas stations are only open on Tuesdays and Fridays.

Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative.

Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals violates their civil rights.

Average height of NBA players is now nine feet, seven inches.

New federal law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly swatters
and rolled-up newspapers must be registered by January 2030.

IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75 percent.

Floruba voters still having trouble with voting machines.

Leon wrote:

Newspaper 2029

HEADLINES FROM THE YEAR: 2029

Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in the seventh largest
country in the world, Mexifornia, formerly known as California .

White minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexifornia's
third language.

Spotted Owl plague threatens northwesternUnited States crops and
livestock.

Baby conceived naturally! Scientists stumped.

Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage.

Iran still closed off; physicists estimate it will take at least 10 more
years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels.

France pleads for global help after being taken over by Lichtenstein. No
other country comes forward to help the beleaguered nation!

Castro finally dies at age 112; Cuban cigars can now be imported legally,
but President Chelsea Clinton has banned all smoking.

George Z. Bush says he will run for President in 2036.

Postal Service raises price of first class stamp to $17.89 and reduces
mail delivery to Wednesdays only.

85-year $75.8 billion study: Diet and exercise is the key to weight loss.

Average weight of Americans drops to 250 lbs.

Global cooling blamed for citrus crop failure for third consecutive year
in Mexifornia and Floruba.

THIS ONE IS REALLY GOOD
Japanese scientists have created a camera with such a fast shutter speed
they now can photograph a woman with her mouth shut.

Abortion clinics now available in every High School in United States

Senate still blocking drilling in ANWR even though gas is selling for 4532
Pesos per liter and gas stations are only open on Tuesdays and Fridays.

Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative.

Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals violates their civil rights.

Average height of NBA players is now nine feet, seven inches.

New federal law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly
swatters and rolled-up newspapers must be registered by January 2030.

IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75 percent.

Floruba voters still having trouble with voting machines.
You forgot what the deficit would be??? 100 Trillion? More like 500
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evodawg wrote:
Leon wrote:

Newspaper 2029

You forgot what the deficit would be??? 100 Trillion? More like 500

500 Brazillion?

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DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Apr 8, 3:30*pm, "Leon" wrote:
Newspaper 2029

HEADLINES FROM THE YEAR: 2029

Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in the seventh largest
country in the world, Mexifornia, formerly known as California .

White minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexifornia's
third language.

Spotted Owl plague threatens northwesternUnited States crops and livestock.

Baby conceived naturally! Scientists stumped.

Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage.

Iran still closed off; physicists estimate it will take at least 10 more
years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels.

France pleads for global help after being taken over by Lichtenstein. No
other country comes forward to help the beleaguered nation!

Castro finally dies at age 112; Cuban cigars can now be imported legally,
but President Chelsea Clinton has banned all smoking.

George Z. Bush says he will run for President in 2036.

Postal Service raises price of first class stamp to $17.89 and reduces mail
delivery to Wednesdays only.

85-year $75.8 billion study: Diet and exercise is the key to weight loss.

Average weight of Americans drops to 250 lbs.

Global cooling blamed for citrus crop failure for third consecutive year in
Mexifornia and Floruba.

THIS ONE IS REALLY GOOD
Japanese scientists have created a camera with such a fast shutter speed
they now can photograph a woman with her mouth shut.

Abortion clinics now available in every High School in United States

Senate still blocking drilling in ANWR even though gas is selling for 4532
Pesos per liter and gas stations are only open on Tuesdays and Fridays.

Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative.

Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals violates their civil rights.

Average height of NBA players is now nine feet, seven inches.

New federal law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly swatters
and rolled-up newspapers must be registered by January 2030.

IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75 percent.

Floruba voters still having trouble with voting machines.

Missing:

SketchUp 23 has been released finally making it somewhat useful to
those who want to do more than just play with crayons.

The 220 volt vs 110 volt discussions has finally driven the makers of
electricity to the point that they are now only offering power tools
at 165 volt. 55 Hz. Universal motors are now outlawed as the carbon
dust from the brushes have caused a global temperature increase of
0.00000023 degrees K.

Dust collectors are a thing of the past as all composite components
used in hobby-related furniture making have to be bought pre-made by
Festomilwaukita.

At an Albertan rest home, former actor Tom Cruise took a bite out of
an orderly, still denying he's gay.

The Toronto Maple Leaves, formerly known as the Toronto Maple Leafs,
have won the Stanley Cup.

Stephen Hawkins' latest book contains proof that Creationism is in
fact the real origin of the Universe.

Former talk show host Oprah Winfrey was finally laid to rest. The 24
pall-bearers were exhausted.

The room-darkening AntiLight bulb's demonstration was a failure when
they could not find the switch to turn the damned thing off. The
lawsuits by The Drapery Manufacturers Brotherhood are still pending.

Morris Dovey wrote:
evodawg wrote:
Leon wrote:

Newspaper 2029

You forgot what the deficit would be??? 100 Trillion? More like 500

500 Brazillion?

That's pesos. What is it in real money (i.e., Canadian).

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Morris Dovey wrote:
evodawg wrote:
Leon wrote:

Newspaper 2029

You forgot what the deficit would be??? 100 Trillion? More like 500

500 Brazillion?

That's pesos. What is it in real money (i.e., Canadian).


Canadian money, Looney Toon ey?

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Apr 8, 3:30 pm, "Leon" wrote:

Missing:

SketchUp 23 has been released finally making it somewhat useful to
those who want to do more than just play with crayons.


You left out, and finally every one has learned to use this simple
program, even the die hards. ;~)


The 220 volt vs 110 volt discussions has finally driven the makers of
electricity to the point that they are now only offering power tools
at 165 volt. 55 Hz. Universal motors are now outlawed as the carbon
dust from the brushes have caused a global temperature increase of
0.00000023 degrees K.

And no one really knows if the so called "earth warming" is a bad
thing. It seems to have gotten us out of the "IceAge". ;~)


Dust collectors are a thing of the past as all composite components
used in hobby-related furniture making have to be bought pre-made by
Festomilwaukita.

At an Albertan rest home, former actor Tom Cruise took a bite out of
an orderly, still denying he's gay.

I though that had already happened. ;~)



The Toronto Maple Leaves, formerly known as the Toronto Maple Leafs,
have won the Stanley Cup.


The WHAT?!!




Former talk show host Oprah Winfrey was finally laid to rest. The 24
pall-bearers were exhausted.

I'll never forget about the time she was caught smuggeling 225 lbs. of
CRACK between her legs.

Robatoy wrote:
Missing:

SketchUp 23 has been released finally making it somewhat useful to
those who want to do more than just play with crayons.

Festomilwaukita.


Nice.


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On Apr 8, 4:08*pm, Robatoy wrote:

The 220 volt vs 110 volt discussions has finally driven the makers of
electricity to the point that they are now only offering power tools
at 165 volt. 55 Hz. Universal motors are now outlawed as the carbon
dust from the brushes have caused a global temperature increase of
0.00000023 degrees K.

Picking nits because I'm getting to be a grumpy old fart, and no
offense intended but, there are no degrees Kelvin. The units are
(only) Kelvins.

On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:49:39 -0700 (PDT), Dan Major
wrote:

The units are
(only) Kelvins.

So a "Kelvin" is a unit of temperature that is the same size as a
Celsius degree? How about the measurement of absolute temperature
using a unit that is the same size as a Farenheit degree. Is that
measured in Rankines or in °R?

If the Kelvin is a unit of temperature, then it should be
syntactically correct, although a little weird to mix units/scales, to
say that water boils (under standard conditions) 100K above 0°C, or
even weirder, that it boils 100K above 32°F.

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

Tom Veatch wrote:

If the Kelvin is a unit of temperature, then it should be
syntactically correct, although a little weird to mix units/scales, to
say that water boils (under standard conditions) 100K above 0°C, or
even weirder, that it boils 100K above 32°F.

You're making my head hurt. Under those conditions it boils at 373.15K.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Apr 9, 12:49*am, Dan Major wrote:
On Apr 8, 4:08*pm, Robatoy wrote:

The 220 volt vs 110 volt discussions has finally driven the makers of
electricity to the point that they are now only offering power tools
at 165 volt. 55 Hz. Universal motors are now outlawed as the carbon
dust from the brushes have caused a global temperature increase of
0.00000023 degrees K.

Picking nits because I'm getting to be a grumpy old fart, and no
offense intended but, there are no degrees Kelvin. *The units are
(only) Kelvins.

Not what I learned in undergrad and grad school.

burtwitlin wrote:
On Apr 9, 12:49 am, Dan Major wrote:
....
...there are no degrees Kelvin. The units are (only) Kelvins.

Not what I learned in undergrad and grad school.

You're both right (probably), depending on age...

The 13th CGPM (1967) adopted the name kelvin (symbol K) instead of
"degree Kelvin" (symbol °K) and defined the unit of thermodynamic
temperature as follows:

The kelvin, unit of thermodynamic temperature, is the fraction
1/273.16 of the thermodynamic temperature of the triple point of
water.

http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/kelvin.html

So, if you're also an old fart like I, when still in undergraduate
school it _was_ "degrees K", but by time finished grad school they had
changed (altho many of us never did, really; just too ingrained except
for formal use where could consider and edit).

--

On Apr 9, 8:52*am, burtwitlin wrote:
On Apr 9, 12:49*am, Dan Major wrote:

On Apr 8, 4:08*pm, Robatoy wrote:

The 220 volt vs 110 volt discussions has finally driven the makers of
electricity to the point that they are now only offering power tools
at 165 volt. 55 Hz. Universal motors are now outlawed as the carbon
dust from the brushes have caused a global temperature increase of
0.00000023 degrees K.

Picking nits because I'm getting to be a grumpy old fart, and no
offense intended but, there are no degrees Kelvin. *The units are
(only) Kelvins.

Not what I learned in undergrad and grad school.

Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin
Copying from the page for those of you (like me) too lazy to look it
up - "(bla-bla-bla...) The 13th CGPM changed the name to simply
"kelvin" (symbol K).[2] The omission of "degree" indicates that it is
not relative to an arbitrary reference point such as the Celsius and
Fahrenheit scales, but rather an absolute unit of measure which can be
manipulated algebraically..."

On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:30:50 -0500, Tom Veatch wrote:

On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:49:39 -0700 (PDT), Dan Major
wrote:

The units are
(only) Kelvins.

So a "Kelvin" is a unit of temperature that is the same size as a
Celsius degree? How about the measurement of absolute temperature using
a unit that is the same size as a Farenheit degree. Is that measured in
Rankines or in °R?

If the Kelvin is a unit of temperature, then it should be syntactically
correct, although a little weird to mix units/scales, to say that water
boils (under standard conditions) 100K above 0°C, or even weirder, that
it boils 100K above 32°F.

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA


Makes sense. 100k = 180°F


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On Apr 9, 11:20*am, Aardvark wrote:
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:30:50 -0500, Tom Veatch wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:49:39 -0700 (PDT), Dan Major
wrote:

The units are
(only) Kelvins.

So a "Kelvin" is a unit of temperature that is the same size as a
Celsius degree? How about the measurement of absolute temperature using
a unit that is the same size as a Farenheit degree. Is that measured in
Rankines or in °R?

If the Kelvin is a unit of temperature, then it should be syntactically
correct, although a little weird to mix units/scales, to say that water
boils (under standard conditions) 100K above 0°C, or even weirder, that
it boils 100K above 32°F.

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

Makes sense. 100k = 180°F

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of the keel of the most famous (or infamous) ocean liner of all time, RMS
Titanic, at Harland & Wolff shipyard in Belfast.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic

The boiling point of water is 373.15 or 373.16 K and it freezes at
273.15 or 273.16 K at standard pressure, depending on your reference.

Morris Dovey wrote:
Tom Veatch wrote:

If the Kelvin is a unit of temperature, then it should be
syntactically correct, although a little weird to mix units/scales, to
say that water boils (under standard conditions) 100K above 0°C, or
even weirder, that it boils 100K above 32°F.

You're making my head hurt. Under those conditions it boils at 373.15K.


It's not funny anymore.

Geeks nitpicking scientific veracity is to a joke what a Hitler
reference is to a political debate.

Thread over.


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On Apr 9, 12:52*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
Morris Dovey wrote:
Tom Veatch wrote:

If the Kelvin is a unit of temperature, then it should be
syntactically correct, although a little weird to mix units/scales, to
say that water boils (under standard conditions) 100K above 0°C, or
even weirder, that it boils 100K above 32°F.

You're making my head hurt. Under those conditions it boils at 373.15K.

It's not funny anymore.

Geeks nitpicking scientific veracity is to a joke what a Hitler
reference is to a political debate.

Thread over.

No it's not.

Morris Dovey wrote:

500 Brazillion?



That's a lot of wax.

I'm offended by people who are easily offended.

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On Apr 9, 1:28*pm, B A R R Y wrote:
Morris Dovey wrote:

500 Brazillion?

That's a lot of wax.

Thanks. Now I get to spend the next 1/2 hour cleaning my desk,
keyboard and monitor.

Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , Steve Turner
wrote:

I'm offended by people who are easily offended.

http://www.balderstone.ca/sickandtired.wav

Hey, I've got that sound clip around here somewhere! I knew what it was
before I clicked on it, and I recited it word for word while it was
playing. :-)

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On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:52:45 +0100, MIKE- wrote
(in article ):

Morris Dovey wrote:
Tom Veatch wrote:

If the Kelvin is a unit of temperature, then it should be
syntactically correct, although a little weird to mix units/scales, to
say that water boils (under standard conditions) 100K above 0°C, or
even weirder, that it boils 100K above 32°F.

You're making my head hurt. Under those conditions it boils at 373.15K.


It's not funny anymore.

Geeks nitpicking scientific veracity is to a joke what a Hitler
reference is to a political debate.

Thread over.




There's always some Hitler with no sense of humour trying to kill a
scintillatingly amusing thread

sorry :-)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

On Apr 10, 1:05*pm, Bored Borg
wrote:
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:52:45 +0100, MIKE- wrote
(in article ):



Morris Dovey wrote:
Tom Veatch wrote:

If the Kelvin is a unit of temperature, then it should be
syntactically correct, although a little weird to mix units/scales, to
say that water boils (under standard conditions) 100K above 0°C, or
even weirder, that it boils 100K above 32°F.

You're making my head hurt. Under those conditions it boils at 373.15K..

It's not funny anymore.

Geeks nitpicking scientific veracity is to a joke what a Hitler
reference is to a political debate.

Thread over.

There's always some Hitler with no sense of humour trying to kill a
scintillatingly amusing thread


No, there isn't.

On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:16:28 -0500, Morris Dovey
wrote:

You're making my head hurt. Under those conditions it boils at 373.15K.

Yep. And since a Celsius degree is the same size as a Kelvin unit,
water boils 100K above 0°C (273.15K). Or to put into woodworking
terms, if you have a shelf 3 feet above the floor and a second shelf 4
feet above the floor, it is syntactically correct to say the second
shelf is .3048 meters above the first, even though the shelf locations
are specified using feet.

It's just that I'm from the old school where Kelvin was the name of a
temperature scale, like Celsius and Farenheit. This is my first
exposure to the idea of Kelvin as a unit of measure, like feet or
meters, rather than the name of a scale/measurement system like
English or Metric.

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

Tom Veatch wrote:
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:16:28 -0500, Morris Dovey
wrote:

You're making my head hurt. Under those conditions it boils at 373.15K.

Yep. And since a Celsius degree is the same size as a Kelvin unit,
water boils 100K above 0°C (273.15K). Or to put into woodworking
terms, if you have a shelf 3 feet above the floor and a second shelf 4
feet above the floor, it is syntactically correct to say the second
shelf is .3048 meters above the first, even though the shelf locations
are specified using feet.

It's just that I'm from the old school where Kelvin was the name of a
temperature scale, like Celsius and Farenheit. This is my first
exposure to the idea of Kelvin as a unit of measure, like feet or
meters, rather than the name of a scale/measurement system like
English or Metric.

Unices have 'units' - but recently someone in another newsgroup shared a
link to this free units conversion gem for Windows:

http://joshmadison.com/article/convert-for-windows

which seems to work well.

I keep hoping to see units incorporated into calculators, but that may
be asking too much...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Morris Dovey wrote:
Tom Veatch wrote:
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:16:28 -0500, Morris Dovey
wrote:

You're making my head hurt. Under those conditions it boils at
373.15K.

Yep. And since a Celsius degree is the same size as a Kelvin unit,
water boils 100K above 0°C (273.15K). Or to put into woodworking
terms, if you have a shelf 3 feet above the floor and a second shelf
4 feet above the floor, it is syntactically correct to say the second
shelf is .3048 meters above the first, even though the shelf
locations are specified using feet.

It's just that I'm from the old school where Kelvin was the name of a
temperature scale, like Celsius and Farenheit. This is my first
exposure to the idea of Kelvin as a unit of measure, like feet or
meters, rather than the name of a scale/measurement system like
English or Metric.

Unices have 'units' - but recently someone in another newsgroup
shared a link to this free units conversion gem for Windows:

http://joshmadison.com/article/convert-for-windows

which seems to work well.

I keep hoping to see units incorporated into calculators, but that may
be asking too much...

Google does conversions nicely. Google "100 furlongs per fortnight in
cubits per decade" for example.

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:03:50 -0500, Morris Dovey
wrote:

I keep hoping to see units incorporated into calculators, but that may
be asking too much...

Could be a long wait. There are so many possible choices of units that
covering the general engineering case could make for a very
complicated input system. Especially if you try to incorporate derived
units beyond basic Force and Length measurements. If/when it happens
it'll probably appear first for very specialized applications. Even
then, somebody would probably be flaming it because it didn't offer a
choice to enter stress or pressure in Stones per Square Cubit or
something equally obtuse.

A hand held calculator that could handle calculations with a mix of
common units would be nice. Of course, if we all went completely to SI
units for everything, it would make things simpler. But a lot of
folks, including me, have a hard time giving up pounds, gallons, feet,
inches, yards, miles, etc. Depends on what you're accustomed to and
comfortable with. I can visualize 1/2 inch more readily than 12.5 mm
even though a millimeter is as convenient and useful a measurement in
woodworking as 1/16 inch. Likewise, 1 HP means more to me than does
3/4 kilowatt.

Interesting that in the English/Imperial system, historically at
least, Force (pound) is basic and Mass (slug or poundal) is derived
while in the SI systems, CGS or MKS, Mass (gram or kilogram) is basic
and Force (dyne or Newton) is derived.

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

Morris Dovey wrote:

I keep hoping to see units incorporated into calculators, but that
may
be asking too much...

I'm reminded of my first day in physics class when the prof announced,
"Lady and gentlemen (My class contained the first women in engineering
school that year. My how times have changed), I will be giving several
exams through out the quarter.

The answer to every question asked by these exams will be "1" along
with the appropriate units".

Your job will be to define the 'appropriate units'.

Lew

Tom Veatch wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:03:50 -0500, Morris Dovey
wrote:

I keep hoping to see units incorporated into calculators, but that may
be asking too much...

Could be a long wait. There are so many possible choices of units that
covering the general engineering case could make for a very
complicated input system. Especially if you try to incorporate derived
units beyond basic Force and Length measurements. If/when it happens
it'll probably appear first for very specialized applications. Even
then, somebody would probably be flaming it because it didn't offer a
choice to enter stress or pressure in Stones per Square Cubit or
something equally obtuse.

Probably so. I recently wrote a software simulator to model the fluidyne
engines I've been working on. I struggled with units and finally decided
to allow all the units I might want to use. For example, temperatures
can be suffixed with C, F, or K - with K as the default. The input
routine converts C and F values to K and ensures that the result isn't
negative before passing it to the application. For pressure, length,
area, volume, and temperature (what I was working with as inputs) it's a
nice convenience.

A hand held calculator that could handle calculations with a mix of
common units would be nice. Of course, if we all went completely to SI
units for everything, it would make things simpler. But a lot of
folks, including me, have a hard time giving up pounds, gallons, feet,
inches, yards, miles, etc. Depends on what you're accustomed to and
comfortable with. I can visualize 1/2 inch more readily than 12.5 mm
even though a millimeter is as convenient and useful a measurement in
woodworking as 1/16 inch. Likewise, 1 HP means more to me than does
3/4 kilowatt.

Interesting that in the English/Imperial system, historically at
least, Force (pound) is basic and Mass (slug or poundal) is derived
while in the SI systems, CGS or MKS, Mass (gram or kilogram) is basic
and Force (dyne or Newton) is derived.

It is interesting, and I'd be inclined to guess that this has to do with
what people felt comfortable with when faced with the task of setting up
reproducible standards...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Morris Dovey wrote in
:


Unices have 'units' - but recently someone in another newsgroup shared
a link to this free units conversion gem for Windows:

http://joshmadison.com/article/convert-for-windows

which seems to work well.

I keep hoping to see units incorporated into calculators, but that may
be asking too much...


The TI-89 Titanium can do units. It can also do calculus if you're so
inclined. It does both Physics (metric) units and the normal stuff (US
standard).

8_gal = 1.06944444 ft**3
88(_ft/_s) (_mi/_hr) = 60 (_mi/_hr)

One thing you learn is to overdo the parenthesis especially around
units.

Puckdropper
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reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

Puckdropper wrote:
Morris Dovey wrote in
:

Unices have 'units' - but recently someone in another newsgroup shared
a link to this free units conversion gem for Windows:

http://joshmadison.com/article/convert-for-windows

which seems to work well.

I keep hoping to see units incorporated into calculators, but that may
be asking too much...

The TI-89 Titanium can do units. It can also do calculus if you're so
inclined. It does both Physics (metric) units and the normal stuff (US
standard).

8_gal = 1.06944444 ft**3
88(_ft/_s) (_mi/_hr) = 60 (_mi/_hr)

One thing you learn is to overdo the parenthesis especially around
units.

I like that! Next time in an electronics emporium, I'm gonna ask 'em to
unwrap one for me to fondle.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On 11 Apr 2009 19:23:19 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

The TI-89 Titanium can do units. It can also do calculus if you're so
inclined. It does both Physics (metric) units and the normal stuff (US
standard).


That is neat! Can it accept and manipulate fractional inch inputs -
like 5 equal spaces in 11 3/32 inches = 2 7/32

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

Morris Dovey wrote:
Tom Veatch wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:03:50 -0500, Morris Dovey
wrote:

I keep hoping to see units incorporated into calculators, but that
may be asking too much...

Could be a long wait. There are so many possible choices of units
that covering the general engineering case could make for a very
complicated input system. Especially if you try to incorporate
derived units beyond basic Force and Length measurements. If/when it
happens it'll probably appear first for very specialized
applications. Even then, somebody would probably be flaming it
because it didn't offer a choice to enter stress or pressure in
Stones per Square Cubit or something equally obtuse.

Probably so. I recently wrote a software simulator to model the
fluidyne engines I've been working on. I struggled with units and
finally decided to allow all the units I might want to use. For
example, temperatures can be suffixed with C, F, or K - with K as the
default. The input routine converts C and F values to K and ensures
that the result isn't negative before passing it to the application.
For pressure, length, area, volume, and temperature (what I was
working with as inputs) it's a nice convenience.


There's the story about the engineer and the mathematician, who both know
how to drink from a cup, being confronted by a water fountain.

The engineer studies the problem for a moment, bends over, and has a nice
refreshing drink. The mathematician studies the problem and fills his cup.

The different solutions come from their training: The engineer is taught to
solve new problems directly, while the the mathematician is taught to reduce
new problems to ones that have already been solved.

Puckdropper wrote:


The TI-89 Titanium can do units. It can also do calculus if you're so
inclined. It does both Physics (metric) units and the normal stuff
(US standard).

8_gal = 1.06944444 ft**3
88(_ft/_s) (_mi/_hr) = 60 (_mi/_hr)


Some of us rely on memory-aides:

"A pint's a pound, the world around," or "there's pi seconds in a
picocentury."

Tom Veatch wrote in
:

On 11 Apr 2009 19:23:19 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

The TI-89 Titanium can do units. It can also do calculus if you're so
inclined. It does both Physics (metric) units and the normal stuff (US
standard).


That is neat! Can it accept and manipulate fractional inch inputs -
like 5 equal spaces in 11 3/32 inches = 2 7/32

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

Yes, but it's not intuitive. Your proper fraction 11 3/32 has to be
entered as "11+3/32" and the command is (11+3/32)/5 = 71/32, or to get
your 2 7/32, you'd enter propFrac((11+3/32)/5).

I can't figure out how to get the propFrac function to work with units.
It appears unitary conversion is done after propFrac does its work, so
you get the result of the unitary conversion. (Either an improper
fraction or decimal result.)

Puckdropper
--
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reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking

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On 12 Apr 2009 01:42:15 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

Yes, but it's not intuitive. Your proper fraction 11 3/32 has to be
entered as "11+3/32" and the command is (11+3/32)/5 = 71/32, or to get
your 2 7/32, you'd enter propFrac((11+3/32)/5).

Still that's better than the way I have to do it with my current
TI-whatever. I can do the (11+3/32)/5 part but it comes out as 2.21875
which is OK if the decimal part is recognizable as one of the
"standard" fractions. If not it's (ans-int(ans))*32 and round to the
nearest integer.

Now if I can just convince myself that (plus all the other stuff it
can do) is worth circa $150 to me.

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

Morris Dovey wrote:
Tom Veatch wrote:
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:16:28 -0500, Morris Dovey
wrote:

You're making my head hurt. Under those conditions it boils at 373.15K.

Yep. And since a Celsius degree is the same size as a Kelvin unit,
water boils 100K above 0°C (273.15K). Or to put into woodworking
terms, if you have a shelf 3 feet above the floor and a second shelf 4
feet above the floor, it is syntactically correct to say the second
shelf is .3048 meters above the first, even though the shelf locations
are specified using feet.

It's just that I'm from the old school where Kelvin was the name of a
temperature scale, like Celsius and Farenheit. This is my first
exposure to the idea of Kelvin as a unit of measure, like feet or
meters, rather than the name of a scale/measurement system like
English or Metric.

Unices have 'units' - but recently someone in another newsgroup shared a
link to this free units conversion gem for Windows:

http://joshmadison.com/article/convert-for-windows

which seems to work well.

I keep hoping to see units incorporated into calculators, but that may
be asking too much...

The Google search web site http://www.google.com/ will do units conversions.

For example try the following 'search string': 1.2 km to inches
The first response is: 1.2 kilometers = 47 244.0945 inches

Second example: search string: 1 K to F
response: 1 kelvin = -457.87 degrees Fahrenheit


Dan

"HeyBub" wrote in message
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Puckdropper wrote:


The TI-89 Titanium can do units. It can also do calculus if you're so
inclined. It does both Physics (metric) units and the normal stuff
(US standard).

8_gal = 1.06944444 ft**3
88(_ft/_s) (_mi/_hr) = 60 (_mi/_hr)


Some of us rely on memory-aides:

"A pint's a pound, the world around," or "there's pi seconds in a
picocentury."

Actually, there are (roughly) pi seconds in a nanocentury.

todd

Tom Veatch wrote in
:


Still that's better than the way I have to do it with my current
TI-whatever. I can do the (11+3/32)/5 part but it comes out as 2.21875
which is OK if the decimal part is recognizable as one of the
"standard" fractions. If not it's (ans-int(ans))*32 and round to the
nearest integer.

Now if I can just convince myself that (plus all the other stuff it
can do) is worth circa $150 to me.

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

If all you're doing is messing with fractions, there are woodworking
calculators available for around $20. A TI-80 can handle fractions quite
well, too, and should be available used for about the same price.

If you're constantly doing unitary conversions, the TI-89 is a godsend!

Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm