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Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has
suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck |
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Chuck wrote:
Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck Hot dipped galvanized nails should be okay. See: http://www.soundcedar.com/lumber/sid...tion/nails.php -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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Nova wrote:
Chuck wrote: Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck Hot dipped galvanized nails should be okay. See: http://www.soundcedar.com/lumber/sid...tion/nails.php If you do not want the nails to "bleed" all over the holes use stainless. The reaction is to the stuff in cedar that makes it the wood resist rotting. Does not matter if the nails are painted over they will rust in short order. Mine did and I switched to stainless - no more rot and no more bleeding P D Q |
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On Feb 13, 6:42*pm, Chuck wrote:
Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck I had a gorgeous cedar clapboard job ruined because the nails gave up the ghost. The dark streaks made it an eyesore. If it's painted you'll _probably_ not have a problem with galvanized nails, but I'd use stainless anyway. It's cheap insurance. R |
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:42:18 GMT, Chuck wrote:
Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck Well, McFeeley's is in the business of selling stainless steel nails, so they might be a bit overselling, but here's a link that claims hot dip galvanized nails aren't the best option with Western Red cedar: http://www.mcfeelys.com/stainless-nails On the other hand, the Cedar Shake & Shingle Bureau recommends stainless, hot-dipped zinc, or aluminum nails. http://www.cedarbureau.org/installat...ual/page05.htm Suffice to say, the coating on a galvanized nail might fail and might stain, while stainless will not. If you go with galvanized, get double hot-dipped nails, which should eliminate defects in the coating that will stain. Jim |
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Chuck wrote:
Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck My 30 year old cedar sided house has spiral galvanized nails, acrylic "stain" and nary a rust spot. Maybe those old nails were better. -- Gerald Ross Cochran, GA All stressed out, and no one to choke... |
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Nova wrote:
Chuck wrote: Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck Hot dipped galvanized nails should be okay. See: http://www.soundcedar.com/lumber/sid...tion/nails.php Thank you. The siding that I am replacing has galvanized nails and I see no sign of stain. The siding was installed in 1972. I will go with galvanized. Now to see if I can use a nail gun. |
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![]() "Chuck" wrote in message ... Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck I have not heard that "you" can't". ;~) I build more fences than the average wood worker. I build them with cedar and galvanized ring shank nails, in a nail gun. You will get some discoloration, eventually, if left exposed to the elements. IF you are also using any "modern pressure treated wood" be sure and get the ACQ specified galvanized nails or they will react with the PT wood and fail prematurely. |
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You can buy screws for cedar they are brown anodized coated
http://www.sportcompactcar.info/4084...iew-44763.html "Chuck" wrote in message ... Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck |
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On Feb 13, 3:42*pm, Chuck wrote:
Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck Hot-dip galvanized nails should work ok, provided that they have a good, thick coating. The problem I've seen in the past few years is that the coating is not nearly as thick as in the past, and it can crack and flake when being pounded in to the wood. Of course, a path for water into the steel will lead to bleeding. When I installed my cedar deck, all of the reputable advice (e.g., not from the fastener manufacturers) recommended stainless steel fasteners for cedar, so I swallowed hard and bought stainless. Still looks great! Except now I kick myself for not swallowing a bit harder and buying ipe decking. |
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Gerald Ross wrote:
Chuck wrote: Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck My 30 year old cedar sided house has spiral galvanized nails, acrylic "stain" and nary a rust spot. Maybe those old nails were better. Does "They don't make them like they used to." soud familiar?? G P D Q |
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PDQ wrote:
Gerald Ross wrote: Chuck wrote: Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck My 30 year old cedar sided house has spiral galvanized nails, acrylic "stain" and nary a rust spot. Maybe those old nails were better. Does "They don't make them like they used to." soud familiar?? G P D Q OK I am gonna use SS. Screws. Square drive and about 2 1/2" long, Thanks to all for the input. Really appreciate it. Chuck |
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Chuck wrote:
Thank you. The siding that I am replacing has galvanized nails and I see no sign of stain. The siding was installed in 1972. I will go with galvanized. Now to see if I can use a nail gun. CAUTION: There're two kinds of galvanized: dipped and plated. Make sure you get the dipped. |
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HeyBub wrote:
Chuck wrote: Thank you. The siding that I am replacing has galvanized nails and I see no sign of stain. The siding was installed in 1972. I will go with galvanized. Now to see if I can use a nail gun. CAUTION: There're two kinds of galvanized: dipped and plated. Make sure you get the dipped. Thanks. I decided to go with SS screws. Thanks for the help. Chuck |
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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:28:21 GMT, Chuck wrote:
HeyBub wrote: Chuck wrote: Thank you. The siding that I am replacing has galvanized nails and I see no sign of stain. The siding was installed in 1972. I will go with galvanized. Now to see if I can use a nail gun. CAUTION: There're two kinds of galvanized: dipped and plated. Make sure you get the dipped. Thanks. I decided to go with SS screws. Thanks for the help. Chuck Good choice. The SS screws won't rust like the galvanized. SS won't streak wood like galvanized. |
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On Saturday, February 14, 2009 at 6:28:27 AM UTC-6, Chuck wrote:
Nova wrote: Chuck wrote: Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck Hot dipped galvanized nails should be okay. See: http://www.soundcedar.com/lumber/sid...tion/nails.php Thank you. The siding that I am replacing has galvanized nails and I see no sign of stain. The siding was installed in 1972. I will go with galvanized. Now to see if I can use a nail gun. Back in the 70s they used a different type of galvanization. But the galvanization formula used today causes the reaction. I am certain hot dipped nails will, but am uncertain about electroplated nails. |
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:03:48 -0700 (PDT), Class Act Rain Gutters
wrote: On Saturday, February 14, 2009 at 6:28:27 AM UTC-6, Chuck wrote: Nova wrote: Chuck wrote: Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck Hot dipped galvanized nails should be okay. See: http://www.soundcedar.com/lumber/sid...tion/nails.php Thank you. The siding that I am replacing has galvanized nails and I see no sign of stain. The siding was installed in 1972. I will go with galvanized. Now to see if I can use a nail gun. Back in the 70s they used a different type of galvanization. But the galvanization formula used today causes the reaction. I am certain hot dipped nails will, but am uncertain about electroplated nails. Hot dipped galvanized shouldn't be an issue for cedar. They are frowned on for outdoor use today because the chemistry used in modern pressure treated lumber will defeat galvanizing of any kind thanks to the EPA saving us from ourselves. |
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On 4/29/2021 11:03 PM, Class Act Rain Gutters wrote:
On Saturday, February 14, 2009 at 6:28:27 AM UTC-6, Chuck wrote: Nova wrote: Chuck wrote: Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck Hot dipped galvanized nails should be okay. See: http://www.soundcedar.com/lumber/sid...tion/nails.php Thank you. The siding that I am replacing has galvanized nails and I see no sign of stain. The siding was installed in 1972. I will go with galvanized. Now to see if I can use a nail gun. Back in the 70s they used a different type of galvanization. But the galvanization formula used today causes the reaction. I am certain hot dipped nails will, but am uncertain about electroplated nails. Twelve years later,,,, When I put up fencing it was advised to use Aluminum nails to prevent staining. |
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:07:08 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 4/29/2021 11:03 PM, Class Act Rain Gutters wrote: On Saturday, February 14, 2009 at 6:28:27 AM UTC-6, Chuck wrote: Nova wrote: Chuck wrote: Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck Hot dipped galvanized nails should be okay. See: http://www.soundcedar.com/lumber/sid...tion/nails.php Thank you. The siding that I am replacing has galvanized nails and I see no sign of stain. The siding was installed in 1972. I will go with galvanized. Now to see if I can use a nail gun. Back in the 70s they used a different type of galvanization. But the galvanization formula used today causes the reaction. I am certain hot dipped nails will, but am uncertain about electroplated nails. Twelve years later,,,, When I put up fencing it was advised to use Aluminum nails to prevent staining. In modern times, stainless nails are preferred for cedar siding. They're cheap, compared to the siding and the labor to put the stuff on the wall. |
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:39:36 -0500, Markem618
wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:29:13 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:07:08 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 4/29/2021 11:03 PM, Class Act Rain Gutters wrote: On Saturday, February 14, 2009 at 6:28:27 AM UTC-6, Chuck wrote: Nova wrote: Chuck wrote: Has anyone heard that I can't use galvanized nails with cedar wood. Someone has suggested that I will get some sort of chemical reaction. This will be used on the outside of my house with a good coat of latex paint covering it. Tks. Chuck Hot dipped galvanized nails should be okay. See: http://www.soundcedar.com/lumber/sid...tion/nails.php Thank you. The siding that I am replacing has galvanized nails and I see no sign of stain. The siding was installed in 1972. I will go with galvanized. Now to see if I can use a nail gun. Back in the 70s they used a different type of galvanization. But the galvanization formula used today causes the reaction. I am certain hot dipped nails will, but am uncertain about electroplated nails. Twelve years later,,,, When I put up fencing it was advised to use Aluminum nails to prevent staining. In modern times, stainless nails are preferred for cedar siding. They're cheap, compared to the siding and the labor to put the stuff on the wall. I have used stainless steel with cedar, leaves black runs from the nail heads. Some stainless stains more than others. Your area (salt, in particular) dictates which formulation is needed. The more common 304 stainless is less corrosion resistant (particularly to salt) than 18/8 or 18/10. |
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