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I've seen this topic numerous times, but my situation seems to be
slightly different.

I have an Xacta II fence. The small pads on the "allign to slot"
adjustments came off. Jet sent me a new pair of what are now called
flouro pads. They suggested rearview-mirror adhesive to attach them.

I buffed the surfaces of both pad and fence metal, wiped with the
cleaner/activator and applied a drop of glue and held in place with
spring clamps. An hour later, upon trying to set the fence on the
rail, the pads easily came off.

Issue 1 - the rearview-mirror adhesive did not work (maybe it was too
cool when I tried it -- about 55F). The residual glue was still a bit
sticky.

Issue 2 - the pads are too thick! Even if the glue had setup well --
the fence would not have gone onto the rail as the pads are about
1/16" thick, and there is not that much clearance on either side where
they need to go.

I have an email into Jet, but just wondering if anyone else has come
across this issue.
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Are you saying that even with the adjustment screws all the way in (or out
depending on how you look at it ;~) ) there is no room for the pads? I'm
talking about the screws on the T part of the fence used to align the fence
with the blade/miter slots not the ones on top that are used to square the
sides of the fence to the top of the table.

I haven't had a problem with the XActa fence pads on my cabinet saw but the
the pad on my 18" Jet band saw needs to be repositioned regularly... I live
with it. ;~)

John

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I've seen this topic numerous times, but my situation seems to be
slightly different.

I have an Xacta II fence. The small pads on the "allign to slot"
adjustments came off. Jet sent me a new pair of what are now called
flouro pads. They suggested rearview-mirror adhesive to attach them.

I buffed the surfaces of both pad and fence metal, wiped with the
cleaner/activator and applied a drop of glue and held in place with
spring clamps. An hour later, upon trying to set the fence on the
rail, the pads easily came off.

Issue 1 - the rearview-mirror adhesive did not work (maybe it was too
cool when I tried it -- about 55F). The residual glue was still a bit
sticky.

Issue 2 - the pads are too thick! Even if the glue had setup well --
the fence would not have gone onto the rail as the pads are about
1/16" thick, and there is not that much clearance on either side where
they need to go.

I have an email into Jet, but just wondering if anyone else has come
across this issue.


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I've seen this topic numerous times, but my situation seems to be
slightly different.

I have an Xacta II fence. The small pads on the "allign to slot"
adjustments came off. Jet sent me a new pair of what are now called
flouro pads. They suggested rearview-mirror adhesive to attach them.

I buffed the surfaces of both pad and fence metal, wiped with the
cleaner/activator and applied a drop of glue and held in place with
spring clamps. An hour later, upon trying to set the fence on the
rail, the pads easily came off.

Issue 1 - the rearview-mirror adhesive did not work (maybe it was too
cool when I tried it -- about 55F). The residual glue was still a bit
sticky.

Issue 2 - the pads are too thick! Even if the glue had setup well --
the fence would not have gone onto the rail as the pads are about
1/16" thick, and there is not that much clearance on either side where
they need to go.

I have an email into Jet, but just wondering if anyone else has come
across this issue.


My Jet dealer suggested using Epoxy to attach the new pads. You should be
able to adjust the left and right sides to allow for a 1/16" thick pad, mine
are that thickness now.


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I've seen this topic numerous times, but my situation seems to be
slightly different.

I have an Xacta II fence. The small pads on the "allign to slot"
adjustments came off. Jet sent me a new pair of what are now called
flouro pads. They suggested rearview-mirror adhesive to attach them.

I buffed the surfaces of both pad and fence metal, wiped with the
cleaner/activator and applied a drop of glue and held in place with
spring clamps. An hour later, upon trying to set the fence on the
rail, the pads easily came off.

Issue 1 - the rearview-mirror adhesive did not work (maybe it was too
cool when I tried it -- about 55F). The residual glue was still a
bit
sticky.

Issue 2 - the pads are too thick! Even if the glue had setup well --
the fence would not have gone onto the rail as the pads are about
1/16" thick, and there is not that much clearance on either side
where
they need to go.

I have an email into Jet, but just wondering if anyone else has come
across this issue.


Yep, been there done that and after a number of attempts, the glue that
finally worked and is still holding the pads in-place after 5 years...

Gorilla Glue

Clean the mating surfaces, put glue on one, dampen the other with water
and clamp them down but only snug. Don't want to force all the adhesive
out. The glue will foam out and after its dry, use a razor blade or
knife to clean it up. Let it set overnight in a warm basement - not a
freezing shop.

If the pads truly are to thick, sand them down a bit them adjust the T
bar as per the instructions.

I would have thought Jet had this problem fixed by now.

Bob S.



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I've seen this topic numerous times, but my situation seems to be
slightly different.


I have an Xacta II fence. *The small pads on the "allign to slot"
adjustments came off. *Jet sent me a new pair of what are now called
flouro pads. *They suggested rearview-mirror adhesive to attach them.


I buffed the surfaces of both pad and fence metal, wiped with the
cleaner/activator and applied a drop of glue and held in place with
spring clamps. *An hour later, upon trying to set the fence on the
rail, the pads easily came off.


Issue 1 - the rearview-mirror adhesive did not work (maybe it was too
cool when I tried it -- about 55F). *The residual glue was still a
bit
sticky.


Issue 2 - the pads are too thick! *Even if the glue had setup well --
the fence would not have gone onto the rail as the pads are about
1/16" thick, and there is not that much clearance on either side
where
they need to go.


I have an email into Jet, but just wondering if anyone else has come
across this issue.


Yep, been there done that and after a number of attempts, the glue that
finally worked and is still holding the pads in-place after 5 years...

Gorilla Glue

Clean the mating surfaces, put glue on one, dampen the other with water
and clamp them down but only snug. Don't want to force all the adhesive
out. *The glue will foam out and after its dry, use a razor blade or
knife to clean it up. *Let it set overnight in a warm basement - not a
freezing shop.

If the pads truly are to thick, sand them down a bit them adjust the T
bar as per the instructions.

I would have thought Jet had this problem fixed by now.

Bob S.- Hide quoted text -

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Yes, it's the pads that position the fence to the slots/blade from
front of saw to back of saw. It's the pads that get clamped into
place when the fence is locked (lever pushed down).

The saw is ~suppose~ to be about 2 years old. It's the right tilt 3HP
cabinet. The motor says 2007 I think, but the fence looks to be worn
more than the rest of the saw (suggesting it might be older than the
saw), but it still stays Xacta II. It probably is about a 2 year old
saw.

With the screws backed all the way out, I cannot get the pads into
place. The pad thickness is greater than the space between the metal
(that pads attach to) and the fence rail. I can slide the pads in
about 1/2 way, but if I glued then on, I could never get the fence
onto the rail (which is partly why they got knocked off this time,
though they never would have remained in place).

The pads are probably closer to 3/32nds thick.

Plan of attack..

- wait for reply from Jet (they responded quickly to the pad falling
off problem - with a set of new pads)
- sand pads down and attach with Gorilla glue (I think I have the
Elmers equivalent - hope it works)








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With the screws backed all the way out, I cannot get the pads into
place. The pad thickness is greater than the space between the metal
(that pads attach to) and the fence rail. I can slide the pads in
about 1/2 way, but if I glued then on, I could never get the fence
onto the rail (which is partly why they got knocked off this time,
though they never would have remained in place).

The pads are probably closer to 3/32nds thick.


One other thought... are you lifting the lock down handle completely up as
you try to place the fence on the rail? I just looked at my Jet cabinet saw
with Xacta fence and the gap opens up about 1/16" more with the cam
completely off the locking bar than when the cam is laying against the
locking bar while the handle is in the loose position. That sentence reads
terribly! LOL

John

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pads in-place after 5 years...

Gorilla Glue



I assume you are talking about Gorilla Polyurethane, correct?


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coloradotrout writes:

I have an Xacta II fence. The small pads on the "allign to slot"
adjustments came off. Jet sent me a new pair of what are now called
flouro pads. They suggested rearview-mirror adhesive to attach them.


I'm not sure if this is helpful, but I was able to buy the metal clips
you use to make your own fences. I made a nice set of wood ones, with
T-slots for feather boards, etc.
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pads in-place after 5 years...

Gorilla Glue



I assume you are talking about Gorilla Polyurethane, correct?


Yes...

Bob S.


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With the screws backed all the way out, I cannot get the pads into
place. The pad thickness is greater than the space between the metal
(that pads attach to) and the fence rail. I can slide the pads in
about 1/2 way, but if I glued then on, I could never get the fence
onto the rail (which is partly why they got knocked off this time,
though they never would have remained in place).

The pads are probably closer to 3/32nds thick.


One other thought... are you lifting the lock down handle completely
up as you try to place the fence on the rail? I just looked at my Jet
cabinet saw with Xacta fence and the gap opens up about 1/16" more
with the cam completely off the locking bar than when the cam is
laying against the locking bar while the handle is in the loose
position. That sentence reads terribly! LOL

John


John, I think you just nailed his problem.. The lock cam may be bent,
buckled or otherwise distorted forcing the whatchmajig (T bar) closer
to the rail. Wish I had access to a binary site, I would take a
picture of mine so he can see how it's supposed to be. The pad
thickness sounds about right - don't sand them. Something else is wrong
and it can only be the locking cam assy. The thickness of the pad on
that should be about the same as the other pads. The locking mechanism
allows about 1/8" (+/- an RCH) space from locked to unlocked position.

Look at the piece of metal that the cam forces against the rail and
that pad - that's where the problem is most likely. That's assuming
that the spring arms on the T bar assy are not in their full out
position and that the rail(s) are original equipment.

Bob S.





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*snip*

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"Bob S." wrote :

*snip* *Wish I had access to a binary site, I would take a
picture of mine so he can see how it's supposed to be.


*snip*

Bob, email me at puckdropper AT yahoo DOT com and I'll post it to ABPW on
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"Bob S." wrote :


*snip* *Wish I had access to a binary site, I would take a
picture of mine so he can see how it's supposed to be.


*snip*


Bob, email me at puckdropper AT yahoo DOT com and I'll post it to ABPW on
your behalf.


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My cam moves from 3.156" open to 3.096" closed -- from contact point
on cam (where it meets the front of rail) to the opposite side which
sits down against the back side of the rail. I'm measuring just the
fence and not the rail. In other words, my cam moves 3.156-3.096 = .
06" or about 1/16th of an inch.

My fluroway pads are .124" thick.

My fence rail is 3.015" wide +/- .003" or so.

However, where the pads afix on the fence, there is a difference of .
440 - .360 or .080" (where the pads afix, there is a light bend in the
metal). So .080 is taken up by that bend.

So, I have 3.156 open space less .080 = 3.076 less .124 (pad) = 2.952
which is less than the rail of 3.015.
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On Jan 6, 11:57*am, coloradotrout wrote:





On Jan 5, 10:51*pm, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:


"Bob S." wrote :


*snip* *Wish I had access to a binary site, I would take a
picture of mine so he can see how it's supposed to be.


*snip*


Bob, email me at puckdropper AT yahoo DOT com and I'll post it to ABPW on
your behalf.


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My cam moves from 3.156" open to 3.096" closed -- from contact point
on cam (where it meets the front of rail) to the opposite side which
sits down against the back side of the rail. *I'm measuring just the
fence and not the rail. *In other words, my cam moves 3.156-3.096 = .
06" or about 1/16th of an inch.

My fluroway pads are .124" thick.

My fence rail is 3.015" wide +/- .003" or so.

However, where the pads afix on the fence, there is a difference of .
440 - .360 or .080" (where the pads afix, there is a light bend in the
metal). *So .080 is taken up by that bend.

So, I have 3.156 open space less .080 = 3.076 less .124 (pad) = 2.952
which is less than the rail of 3.015.- Hide quoted text -

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Also, the old pad was much thinner than these new ones. It was a more
rubbery pad of about .049" (worn some).

But .124 - .049 = .075 which makes all of this work out.

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On Jan 6, 11:57*am, coloradotrout wrote:


On Jan 5, 10:51*pm, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:


"Bob S." wrote :


*snip* *Wish I had access to a binary site, I would take a
picture of mine so he can see how it's supposed to be.


*snip*


Bob, email me at puckdropper AT yahoo DOT com and I'll post it to ABPW on
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My cam moves from 3.156" open to 3.096" closed -- from contact point
on cam (where it meets the front of rail) to the opposite side which
sits down against the back side of the rail. *I'm measuring just the
fence and not the rail. *In other words, my cam moves 3.156-3.096 =


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Sorry guy's, just got around to reading these posts. I will take some
pics in the morning and send them to you directly. That way you'll have
something to compare with.

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On Jan 6, 1:58*pm, coloradotrout wrote:





On Jan 6, 1:50*pm, coloradotrout wrote:


On Jan 6, 11:57*am, coloradotrout wrote:


On Jan 5, 10:51*pm, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:


"Bob S." wrote :


*snip* *Wish I had access to a binary site, I would take a
picture of mine so he can see how it's supposed to be.


*snip*


Bob, email me at puckdropper AT yahoo DOT com and I'll post it to ABPW on
your behalf.


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My cam moves from 3.156" open to 3.096" closed -- from contact point
on cam (where it meets the front of rail) to the opposite side which
sits down against the back side of the rail. *I'm measuring just the
fence and not the rail. *In other words, my cam moves 3.156-3.096 = .
06" or about 1/16th of an inch.


My fluroway pads are .124" thick.


My fence rail is 3.015" wide +/- .003" or so.


However, where the pads afix on the fence, there is a difference of .
440 - .360 or .080" (where the pads afix, there is a light bend in the
metal). *So .080 is taken up by that bend.


So, I have 3.156 open space less .080 = 3.076 less .124 (pad) = 2..952
which is less than the rail of 3.015.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Also, the old pad was much thinner than these new ones. *It was a more
rubbery pad of about .049" (worn some).


But .124 - .049 = .075 which makes all of this work out.- Hide quoted text -


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Got this from Jet support...

*************
Try contact cement.

From Technical Support.

He may have to squish the metal tabs that the pads are fastened to in
order to get them to fit and function properly.
************

Out of curiosity, do the "tabs" on your fences lie flat to the fence?
Mine are purposely bent a bit for what looks like was expected that
the set screws would be extended about 1/16" or so to make them
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More feedback from Jet..

My reply..
Are these pads different from the originals? "Squishing" the tabs
seems a bit odd.

Jet response..
They are thicker than the original pad and need extra room to fasten
the pads. The originals were made from a company here in the USA that
went out of business a few years back and we no longer have access to
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On Jan 6, 4:36*pm, coloradotrout wrote:





On Jan 6, 1:58*pm, coloradotrout wrote:


On Jan 6, 1:50*pm, coloradotrout wrote:


On Jan 6, 11:57*am, coloradotrout wrote:


On Jan 5, 10:51*pm, Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:


"Bob S." wrote :


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picture of mine so he can see how it's supposed to be.


*snip*


Bob, email me at puckdropper AT yahoo DOT com and I'll post it to ABPW on
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My cam moves from 3.156" open to 3.096" closed -- from contact point
on cam (where it meets the front of rail) to the opposite side which
sits down against the back side of the rail. *I'm measuring just the
fence and not the rail. *In other words, my cam moves 3.156-3.096 = .
06" or about 1/16th of an inch.


My fluroway pads are .124" thick.


My fence rail is 3.015" wide +/- .003" or so.


However, where the pads afix on the fence, there is a difference of
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With the screws backed all the way out, I cannot get the pads into
place. *The pad thickness is greater than the space between the metal
(that pads attach to) and the fence rail. *I can slide the pads in
about 1/2 way, but if I glued then on, I could never get the fence
onto the rail (which is partly why they got knocked off this time,
though they never would have remained in place).


The pads are probably closer to 3/32nds thick.


One other thought... are you lifting the lock down handle completely up as
you try to place the fence on the rail? I just looked at my Jet cabinet saw
with Xacta fence and the gap opens up about 1/16" more with the cam
completely off the locking bar than when the cam is laying against the
locking bar while the handle is in the loose position. That sentence reads
terribly! LOL

John


John,

My cam has little travel from the handle-up to handle-loose position.
From loose to lock it's about 1/16". I maybe need to state that a bit
differently. From the handle perpendicular to the fence (sticking
straight up) to the handle in-line with the fence (sticking straight
back), there is almost no travel in the cam. All the travel comes
from in-line to the down lock position. And total cam travel is 1/16".
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With the screws backed all the way out, I cannot get the pads into
place. The pad thickness is greater than the space between the metal
(that pads attach to) and the fence rail. I can slide the pads in
about 1/2 way, but if I glued then on, I could never get the fence
onto the rail (which is partly why they got knocked off this time,
though they never would have remained in place).


The pads are probably closer to 3/32nds thick.


One other thought... are you lifting the lock down handle completely up as
you try to place the fence on the rail? I just looked at my Jet cabinet
saw
with Xacta fence and the gap opens up about 1/16" more with the cam
completely off the locking bar than when the cam is laying against the
locking bar while the handle is in the loose position. That sentence reads
terribly! LOL

John


John,

My cam has little travel from the handle-up to handle-loose position.
From loose to lock it's about 1/16". I maybe need to state that a bit
differently. From the handle perpendicular to the fence (sticking
straight up) to the handle in-line with the fence (sticking straight
back), there is almost no travel in the cam. All the travel comes
from in-line to the down lock position. And total cam travel is 1/16".

Sounds like there is less of a gap over all between the cam and the lever
than on mine.

Just a thought, I wonder if you can remove the cam pivot bolt, insert the
pads, and then put the bolt back in and let the locking lever and cam do the
"adjusting" for you.

John



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Bob --- please email me the photos if possible.

I did manage - with some c- clamps to flatten the "tabs" a bit. Those
"tabs" are a piece of metal about1/16" thick welded to angle iron of
the fence that extends out to the edge where the set screws push
against to adjust the fence parallel to the slots. So it's a bit of a
process to try to flatten. But I did manage to get .040" flatter, so
now my difference is .400-.360 = .040.

So total thickness of fence = 3.156" (open cam) - .040" (metal tab
stick out) - .124" (new pad thickness) = 2.992", but my rail is 3.015
thick. And I probably really need 3.020 clearance, so I still need to
find about .030".

I don't see any other way except to sand down the pads to .100", else
my fence will never want to slide along the rail smoothly.

Sorry,

Got hung up this week and forgot about taking the pics for you. Will
try to get to it tomorrow for you.

Got another storm moving in on us tonight - no fun...

Bob S.


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