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This country, that is ... ever increasing examples of aberrant behavior
makes you wonder: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081128/...wal_mart_death Here's hoping the security camera's were working and can be used to prosecute these idiots, who are arguably more despicable than the terrorists in India who have motives relatively more noble, by comparison, than sheer, unmitigated, selfish, consumer greed exhibited here. Really ****ing hard to believe ... I should have just gone to Canada in 1967. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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"Swingman" wrote in message Here's hoping the security camera's were working and can be used to prosecute these idiots, who are arguably more despicable than the terrorists in India who have motives relatively more noble, by comparison, than sheer, unmitigated, selfish, consumer greed exhibited here. Really ****ing hard to believe ... I should have just gone to Canada in 1967. Hmmm. Not sure that would make much difference. Maybe not price riots at stores, but we have our own set of idiots up here that should be shot and ****ed on. More than once, I've seen Leaf's fans or some other sports fans marching up Yonge Street, smashing store windows and looting everything on the way. There's a number of advantages living close to downtown Toronto, but then there's the times I've felt like going out with a baseball bat to crack people in the kneecap (mostly under 30 years of age) for looting their way up the street using mob mentality as the sole excuse. The police would like to put cameras up in all the popular tourist destinations and then the privacy idiots emerge and swarm around like bees complaining about lack of privacy. Yet, they're the first ones to scream about lack of police protection when someone rips them or their business off. This whole damned world is screwed up worse than I could ever have imagined. |
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"Upscale" wrote:
More than once, I've seen Leaf's fans or some other sports fans marching up Yonge Street, smashing store windows and looting everything on the way. As in soccer (their football) fans across the pond, especially in the UK. Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message marching up Yonge Street, smashing store windows and looting As in soccer (their football) fans across the pond, especially in the UK. What I'd like to see is a significant portion of a mob arrested and hit with really severe fines or imprisonment appropriate to the crime and then have their pictures and names plastered in the local newspaper. Not five or six arrests like usually happens, but 100-200 arrests, enough to make people think twice about using mob mentality to steal or destroy. |
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"Upscale" wrote:
What I'd like to see is a significant portion of a mob arrested and hit with really severe fines or imprisonment appropriate to the crime and then have their pictures and names plastered in the local newspaper. Not five or six arrests like usually happens, but 100-200 arrests, enough to make people think twice about using mob mentality to steal or destroy. The problem is that the people at the front that could see things are likely being pushed by the rear columns that do not know what is going on. Wes |
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On Nov 28, 5:17*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Upscale" wrote: More than once, I've seen Leaf's fans or some other sports fans marching up Yonge Street, smashing store windows and looting everything on the way. As in soccer (their football) fans across the pond, especially in the UK. Lew There is a whole ****load of difference between runamuk sports-****s and greedy killers. |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message There is a whole ****load of difference between runamuk sports-****s and greedy killers. Not really since a significant portion of the mob grows as it moves and many use the crowd simply as a means to steal. If you suddenly came upon a swarm of people running to a hole in the wall of a bank and scooping up handfuls of cash, would you be tempted to do the same, even for a split second? I'm willing to admit that I'd seriously consider it before discarding the idea. Obviously, it's never happened to me so I can't say for sure what I'd do under those circumstances, but I hope I'd resist the temptation. |
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On Nov 29, 4:49*am, "Upscale" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message There is a whole ****load of difference between runamuk sports-****s and greedy killers. Not really since a significant portion of the mob grows as it moves and many use the crowd simply as a means to steal. If you suddenly came upon a swarm of people running to a hole in the wall of a bank and scooping up handfuls of cash, would you be tempted to do the same, even for a split second? No, Absolutely NO. It ain't mine, I ain't taking it. No exceptions. Ever. |
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:46:34 -0800 (PST), Robatoy cast forth these pearls
of wisdom...: On Nov 28, 5:17*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: "Upscale" wrote: More than once, I've seen Leaf's fans or some other sports fans marching up Yonge Street, smashing store windows and looting everything on the way. As in soccer (their football) fans across the pond, especially in the UK. Lew There is a whole ****load of difference between runamuk sports-****s and greedy killers. Really? And what would those differences be? The end result in this case could just as easily happen in the case of runamuck sports-f*cks. In fact - it has. -- -Mike- |
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Upscale wrote: The police would like to put cameras up in all the popular tourist destinations and then the privacy idiots emerge and swarm around like bees complaining about lack of privacy. Yet, they're the first ones to scream about lack of police protection when someone rips them or their business off. Well, the UK has, I am told, more security cameras per head of population, than any other country in the world but we still have many problems. Due to "human rights" it seems the thugs have more rights than the victims. There seem to be regular reports in the newspapers of public spirited people trying to make a stand and being banged up by the courts while the offenders get off scot free. We, as householders, have no rights to protect our property and can do little in self defence. I don't have a problem with cameras but I do object to UK government plans to monitor all internet traffic. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...il-992268.html -- Stuart Winsor Don't miss the Risc OS Christmas show http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/mug/show08/MUGshow.html |
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"Stuart" Well, the UK has, I am told, more security cameras per head of population, than any other country in the world but we still have many problems. Due to "human rights" it seems the thugs have more rights than the victims. There seem to be regular reports in the newspapers of public spirited people trying to make a stand and being banged up by the courts while the offenders get off scot free. We, as householders, have no rights to protect our property and can do little in self defence. I don't have a problem with cameras but I do object to UK government plans to monitor all internet traffic. I'm not surprised. Years ago, when I lived the UK (early 60's), it was always surprising to me that when anyone was stopped on the street, one of the two 'Bobbies' who did the stopping would walk off a few yards with his walkie-talkie, and, in two minutes knew who owned your house, what you paid in taxes, whether your telly license was up to date, where you worked, how much you made, and what your blood type was. Still, since my oldest daughter is married to a POME and lives in Sheffield, I am partial to the country. You guys always seem to be about 5 to 10 years ahead of us in cultural and social issues, both good and bad, from TV programs to privacy issues. Besides, there is nothing more pitiful/shameful on earth than the **** poor attempts our TV industry makes to mimic even the BBC's programming. But ... do us a favor and try to keep that sharia bull**** on that side of the ocean! -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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[snippage throughout] Still, since my oldest daughter is married to a POME and lives in Sheffield, I am partial to the country. Is that one of these? POME Palm Oil Mill Effluent POME Prisoner Of Mother England POME Product Of My Environment POME Philosophy of Mathematics Education (journal) POME Point of Market Entry POME Point of Main Effort POME Principles of Motion Economy POME Prisoner of Her Majesty of England miswired minds... jo4hn |
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"Swingman" wrote in message But ... do us a favor and try to keep that sharia bull**** on that side of the ocean! Yeah, well it's up here in Canada and has been approved in one or more places from what I've heard. And, I too think that it's out of place alongside Canadian law. I don't profess to know the finer details about Sharia law, but every time I read or hear about it, the topic seems to be something to do with a woman getting ripped off in some way. |
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"Upscale" wrote
"Swingman" wrote But ... do us a favor and try to keep that sharia bull**** on that side of the ocean! Yeah, well it's up here in Canada and has been approved in one or more places from what I've heard. And, I too think that it's out of place alongside Canadian law. I don't profess to know the finer details about Sharia law, but every time I read or hear about it, the topic seems to be something to do with a woman getting ripped off in some way. Purposely not dignified with a capital letter. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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"Swingman" wrote This country, that is ... ever increasing examples of aberrant behavior makes you wonder: The "aberrant behavior" is just normal holiday shopping madness. And this sort of thing has happened at walmart before. Which is why I will not go near any of those mob type of sales. Women, in particular, become a frenzied mob when their are limited bargains available. I wonder what the evolutionary biologists would say about this. There was a case locally, a few years ago, in a parking structure at a mall. The season was Christmas and parking was scarce. A parking space opened up and a woman driving her car darted into the spot. There was another woman, carrying packages, walking by. She got run over. The individual who ran her over ran into the mall to go shopping, leaving her victim laying on the cement with packages scattered. Witnesses ran to her aid and called the police and the medics. Sho was transported to a hospital and the police waited for the hit and run driver. She came out of the mall and became very indignant when placed under arrest. Her explanation, "Parking was hard to find and she got in my way." These kinds of holiday madness events occur every year. Sad to say, but that is the way it is. |
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As this is being typed the news is coming in that gunman have entered a Toys-R-Us store in Palm Desert, Ca (about 100 miles east of downtown L/A), and are shooting up the place. Too early for casualty reports. The mess in India continues. What the hell is this world coming to? Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:4P%Xk.1638$us6.1484
@nwrddc01.gnilink.net: Subject As this is being typed the news is coming in that gunman have entered a Toys-R-Us store in Palm Desert, Ca (about 100 miles east of downtown L/A), and are shooting up the place. Too early for casualty reports. The mess in India continues. What the hell is this world coming to? Lew I believe that in order to be allowed to have a firearm, one should have to pass examinations in firearm safety, mental stability, and have never been convicted of any crime or tresspass with violent overtones, including sale of a firearm to unauthorized person(s). Anyone who fails any such exam should be entered onto a blacklist. The right to bear arms should not be extended to those not qualifying. Hey, my opinions are mine!! -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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Han wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:4P%Xk.1638$us6.1484 @nwrddc01.gnilink.net: Subject As this is being typed the news is coming in that gunman have entered a Toys-R-Us store in Palm Desert, Ca (about 100 miles east of downtown L/A), and are shooting up the place. Too early for casualty reports. The mess in India continues. What the hell is this world coming to? Lew I believe that in order to be allowed to have a firearm, one should have to pass examinations in firearm safety, Kind of like the literacy tests in the south? mental stability, and have never been convicted of any crime or tresspass with violent overtones, including sale of a firearm to unauthorized person(s). It's already illegal for anyone who has been judged incompetent, been convicted of a felony (including sale of a firearm to unauthorized persons) to possess a firearm. Anyone who fails any such exam should be entered onto a blacklist. Have you heard of the National Instant Background Check? Before purchasing a firearm, that database is consulted and if any of the conditions stated above, plus a few more such as outstanding restraining orders, arrest (not necessarily conviction) for domestic violence, and several others are encountered, the sale is refused. The right to bear arms should not be extended to those not qualifying. Wouldn't it be better if California had more liberal carry laws in which the gunmen (already committing an illegal act) didn't know who might be armed and put a stop to their mayhem? Hey, my opinions are mine!! -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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Mark & Juanita wrote in
: Han wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:4P%Xk.1638$us6.1484 @nwrddc01.gnilink.net: Subject As this is being typed the news is coming in that gunman have entered a Toys-R-Us store in Palm Desert, Ca (about 100 miles east of downtown L/A), and are shooting up the place. Too early for casualty reports. The mess in India continues. What the hell is this world coming to? Lew I believe that in order to be allowed to have a firearm, one should have to pass examinations in firearm safety, Kind of like the literacy tests in the south? No, ability to use the instrument desired in a manner that is safe to the user and others. I have no objection to people having guns if they are used and stored in a safe manner. Well, I still think it would be a little too easy for an "accident", but US law says apparently that you are allowed a firearm. mental stability, and have never been convicted of any crime or tresspass with violent overtones, including sale of a firearm to unauthorized person(s). It's already illegal for anyone who has been judged incompetent, been convicted of a felony (including sale of a firearm to unauthorized persons) to possess a firearm. Anyone who fails any such exam should be entered onto a blacklist. Have you heard of the National Instant Background Check? Before purchasing a firearm, that database is consulted and if any of the conditions stated above, plus a few more such as outstanding restraining orders, arrest (not necessarily conviction) for domestic violence, and several others are encountered, the sale is refused. Yes, I have heard of the NIBC. Also, that it is easily circumvented in some states/cases. That's why I think a license is a good thing. The right to bear arms should not be extended to those not qualifying. Wouldn't it be better if California had more liberal carry laws in which the gunmen (already committing an illegal act) didn't know who might be armed and put a stop to their mayhem? No, I don't think we should have multiple participants in a shootout. This case is a good example. Do you really want 10 other people to pull out handguns and start shooting at each other in a crowded department store? Hey, my opinions are mine!! -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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Han wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:4P%Xk.1638$us6.1484 @nwrddc01.gnilink.net: Subject As this is being typed the news is coming in that gunman have entered a Toys-R-Us store in Palm Desert, Ca (about 100 miles east of downtown L/A), and are shooting up the place. Too early for casualty reports. The mess in India continues. What the hell is this world coming to? Lew I believe that in order to be allowed to have a firearm, one should have to pass examinations in firearm safety, mental stability, and have never been convicted of any crime or tresspass with violent overtones, including sale of a firearm to unauthorized person(s). Anyone who fails any such exam should be entered onto a blacklist. The right to bear arms should not be extended to those not qualifying. Hey, my opinions are mine!! Yes, your opinions are yours *S*. Criminals don't have sensitivity training, weapons training, scruples, morals..yadda, yadda. Sooo.. MY idea, is that in order to be equal to the enemy, one must think and behave like one. IOW, get a gun when you can, to hell with regulations. The biggest fear I have, is a government that tries to disarm its population. What COULD they be up to? If I am to believe that I have nothing to fear, then nobody should fear my .50 calibre. It is in good, safe, well-trained hands. I take care of my stuff, you take care of yours. And if you know what you're doing, a .50 calibre can take out an Apache helicopter, talking to it won't work. G |
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Han wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:4P%Xk.1638$us6.1484 @nwrddc01.gnilink.net: Subject As this is being typed the news is coming in that gunman have entered a Toys-R-Us store in Palm Desert, Ca (about 100 miles east of downtown L/A), and are shooting up the place. Too early for casualty reports. The mess in India continues. What the hell is this world coming to? Lew I believe that in order to be allowed to have a firearm, one should have to pass examinations in firearm safety, mental stability, and have never been convicted of any crime or tresspass with violent overtones, including sale of a firearm to unauthorized person(s). Anyone who fails any such exam should be entered onto a blacklist. Under Federal law no person who has been convicted of a felony or been adjudicated criminally insane is allowed to own a firearm, so you pretty much have what you want. It used to be that being committed would be a block, but the courts struck that down. Passing examinations in order to exercise a right has a very bad reputation in the US, where such tests were used to bar minorities from voting. The right to bear arms should not be extended to those not qualifying. In which case it becomes a privilege and not a right. Hey, my opinions are mine!! -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"Han" wrote in message I believe that in order to be allowed to have a firearm, one should have to pass examinations in firearm safety, mental stability, and have never been convicted of any crime or tresspass with violent overtones, including sale of a firearm to unauthorized person(s). Anyone who fails any such exam should be entered onto a blacklist. The right to bear arms should not be extended to those not qualifying. Hey, my opinions are mine!! -- Best regards Han email address is invalid Plenty of laws exist. The problem is that people don't always obey the law. Making more laws won't help in that situation. |
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:59:17 +0000, Han wrote:
I believe that in order to be allowed to have a firearm, one should have to pass examinations in firearm safety, mental stability, and have never been convicted of any crime or tresspass with violent overtones, including sale of a firearm to unauthorized person(s). Anyone who fails any such exam should be entered onto a blacklist. Good idea in principle, Han, but I doubt it'd keep any firearms out of the possession of criminals. All it would do is penalize the honest citizen. Anyone who knew they couldn't pass the exam would just get a gun on the black market. |
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Larry Blanchard wrote in
news On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:59:17 +0000, Han wrote: I believe that in order to be allowed to have a firearm, one should have to pass examinations in firearm safety, mental stability, and have never been convicted of any crime or tresspass with violent overtones, including sale of a firearm to unauthorized person(s). Anyone who fails any such exam should be entered onto a blacklist. Good idea in principle, Han, but I doubt it'd keep any firearms out of the possession of criminals. All it would do is penalize the honest citizen. Anyone who knew they couldn't pass the exam would just get a gun on the black market. I guess I am still too much of a 60's idealist ... (see X-face) -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
Good idea in principle, Han, but I doubt it'd keep any firearms out of the possession of criminals. All it would do is penalize the honest citizen. Don't even try to regulate the sale of any type of firearms, rather impose a $10.00/cartridge tax at the point of sale. Utilize the proceeds to cover the cost of law enforcement agencies who have to clean up the mess after a shooting. And yes, still have my dad's model 12 and a few other long gun type pieces. Lew |
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In article , Larry Blanchard wrote: Good idea in principle, Han, but I doubt it'd keep any firearms out of the possession of criminals. All it would do is penalize the honest citizen. Quite so. The UK has really strict gun laws but it make not one iota of difference to the criminal fraternity. ... and from what I have read, you are really at the mercy of the thugs. Honest citizens cannot be armed and cannot even defend themselves without being prosecuted, while the thugs don't get very heavy sentences. A study of countries/states/cities with restrictive gun laws has shown that crime gets worse in those places. Places with concealed carry and less restrictive gun laws tend to have lower crime rates. -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:59:17 +0000, Han wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:4P%Xk.1638$us6.1484 @nwrddc01.gnilink.net: Subject As this is being typed the news is coming in that gunman have entered a Toys-R-Us store in Palm Desert, Ca (about 100 miles east of downtown L/A), and are shooting up the place. Too early for casualty reports. The mess in India continues. What the hell is this world coming to? Lew I believe that in order to be allowed to have a firearm, one should have to pass examinations in firearm safety, mental stability, and have never been convicted of any crime or tresspass with violent overtones, including sale of a firearm to unauthorized person(s). Anyone who fails any such exam should be entered onto a blacklist. The right to bear arms should not be extended to those not qualifying. Hey, my opinions are mine!! Extend that to drivers license too. Road rage is more dangerous with more horse power than any gun and fools can take out groups with one aim and action. There are a lot of dummies with keys. Fewer carry loaded guns wherever they go. If they do carry a gun, if sober it might be better to run you over. That might fly as an accident in court. A shooting always looks like malice. |
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:59:17 GMT, Han cast forth these pearls of wisdom...:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:4P%Xk.1638$us6.1484 @nwrddc01.gnilink.net: Subject As this is being typed the news is coming in that gunman have entered a Toys-R-Us store in Palm Desert, Ca (about 100 miles east of downtown L/A), and are shooting up the place. Too early for casualty reports. The mess in India continues. What the hell is this world coming to? Lew I believe that in order to be allowed to have a firearm, one should have to pass examinations in firearm safety, mental stability, and have never been convicted of any crime or tresspass with violent overtones, including sale of a firearm to unauthorized person(s). Anyone who fails any such exam should be entered onto a blacklist. The right to bear arms should not be extended to those not qualifying. Hey, my opinions are mine!! And those restrictions (not arguing their merit), would do precisely what(?) to prevent these types of incidents? Do you really feel that the perpetrators of this type of crime worry about legal posession of a gun? Sorry Han, but this is more of the same reactive sort of thinking that does nothing to benefit a matter, but does a lot to impare those who aren't your typical, or even your remotely typical culprit. -- -Mike- |
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Mike Marlow wrote in
: And those restrictions (not arguing their merit), would do precisely what(?) to prevent these types of incidents? Well, where do the guns to commit crimes come from? If everyone has guns, then it is easy to steal some. If not everyone has guns, and those that do lock them up well, then (maybe) there will be fewer guns to commit crimes with. Do you really feel that the perpetrators of this type of crime worry about legal posession of a gun? No I don't think the bad guys worry about legal possession, but see above. Sorry Han, but this is more of the same reactive sort of thinking that does nothing to benefit a matter, but does a lot to impare those who aren't your typical, or even your remotely typical culprit. Sorry, I can't quite follow what you're trying to say. Let me just paraphrase what's happened in NYC a numbver of years back. Police were told to get after farejumpers (people who didn't pay the fare for the subway, mainly). This way a lot of people left their illegal weapons at home, after they or their friends had them nabbed by the police. Either as a result, or because of changing demographics or because of other reasons, the crime rate went down. I happen to believe that nabbing bad guys had something to do with it. So good laws and good law enforcement will help. It's not the whole thing, of course. And laws like the voting/literacy laws were not good laws. I'll crawl back into my hole now ... -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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Subject As this is being typed the news is coming in that gunman have entered a Toys-R-Us store in Palm Desert, Ca (about 100 miles east of downtown L/A), and are shooting up the place. Too early for casualty reports. The mess in India continues. What the hell is this world coming to? ................................................. .......... The reports are in. Seems two women got into a "cat" fight, hair pulling, the whole bit, inside the store. The men accompanying the women were each packing heat (Just what you need to go to the toy store) which they pulled out and shot and killed each other as the fight escalated.. Darwin rules. Lew |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
Subject As this is being typed the news is coming in that gunman have entered a Toys-R-Us store in Palm Desert, Ca (about 100 miles east of downtown L/A), and are shooting up the place. Too early for casualty reports. Two casualties, the guy that drew the gun and the guy that he drew it on. If the second guy hadn't screwed up then there'd be one. No "shooting up the place". The mess in India continues. What the hell is this world coming to? About what it always was only between the press and the Internet things get more sensationalized. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
Subject As this is being typed the news is coming in that gunman have entered a Toys-R-Us store in Palm Desert, Ca (about 100 miles east of downtown L/A), and are shooting up the place. Too early for casualty reports. The mess in India continues. What the hell is this world coming to? Lew Read up on it at http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,5989270.story We definitely need more guns. Worked real good for Beirut, eh? |
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Lew Hodgett wrote: Subject As this is being typed the news is coming in that gunman have entered a Toys-R-Us store in Palm Desert, Ca (about 100 miles east of downtown L/A), and are shooting up the place. Too early for casualty reports. The mess in India continues. What the hell is this world coming to? Lew Read up on it at http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,5989270.story We definitely need more guns. Worked real good for Beirut, eh? What, military occupation and the declaration of martial law? -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Lew Hodgett wrote: Subject As this is being typed the news is coming in that gunman have entered a Toys-R-Us store in Palm Desert, Ca (about 100 miles east of downtown L/A), and are shooting up the place. Too early for casualty reports. The mess in India continues. What the hell is this world coming to? Lew Read up on it at http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,5989270.story Good heavens! Could a newspaper story be any more sensationalized? Whatever happened to just reporting the facts? Whoever wrote this intended to make it sound like a movie scene. No wonder the dead tree media is on its way downhill. Several clues as to what transpired, who was involved, and the fact that more gun laws probably wouldn't have had any sort of impact: "... a dispute between two couples who had 'previous hostility.'" "... pulling the grip from his baggy pants pocket." " ... Even after the shooting, one woman was still screaming angrily. ... "I'm going to . . . kill you right now!" she shouted, slamming her fists on the car. "I'm going to kill you! Yeah, you!" " Not a lot to go on, but one can make some inferences. Of course the reporters don't provide any additional context, they were too busy writing their Hollywood script. We definitely need more guns. Worked real good for Beirut, eh? -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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Mark & Juanita wrote:
jo4hn wrote: Lew Hodgett wrote: Subject As this is being typed the news is coming in that gunman have entered a Toys-R-Us store in Palm Desert, Ca (about 100 miles east of downtown L/A), and are shooting up the place. Too early for casualty reports. The mess in India continues. What the hell is this world coming to? Lew Read up on it at http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,5989270.story Good heavens! Could a newspaper story be any more sensationalized? Whatever happened to just reporting the facts? Whoever wrote this intended to make it sound like a movie scene. No wonder the dead tree media is on its way downhill. Several clues as to what transpired, who was involved, and the fact that more gun laws probably wouldn't have had any sort of impact: "... a dispute between two couples who had 'previous hostility.'" "... pulling the grip from his baggy pants pocket." " ... Even after the shooting, one woman was still screaming angrily. ... "I'm going to . . . kill you right now!" she shouted, slamming her fists on the car. "I'm going to kill you! Yeah, you!" " Not a lot to go on, but one can make some inferences. Of course the reporters don't provide any additional context, they were too busy writing their Hollywood script. We definitely need more guns. Worked real good for Beirut, eh? and what part of "It's a miracle that these were the only two people killed, given it was a crowded toy store." is so difficult for you to understand. Two knuckleheads with guns shooting in a crowded store and you are whining about the "sensationalized" writeup. You have truly lost your soul somewhere. j4 |
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:25:54 -0600, "Swingman" wrote:
This country, that is ... ever increasing examples of aberrant behavior makes you wonder: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081128/...wal_mart_death Here's hoping the security camera's were working and can be used to prosecute these idiots, who are arguably more despicable than the terrorists in India who have motives relatively more noble, by comparison, than sheer, unmitigated, selfish, consumer greed exhibited here. Really ****ing hard to believe ... I should have just gone to Canada in 1967. The frenzy is worldwide, so you'll see it in Canada too. Many more deaths in car accidents near malls and heart attacks due to the shopping craze. I avoided stores today. |
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On Nov 28, 2:25*pm, "Swingman" wrote:
This country, that is ... ever increasing examples of aberrant behavior makes you wonder: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081128/...wal_mart_death Here's hoping the security camera's were working and can be used to prosecute these idiots, who are arguably more despicable than the terrorists in India who have motives relatively more noble, by comparison, than sheer, unmitigated, selfish, consumer greed exhibited here. Really ****ing hard to believe ... I should have just gone to Canada in 1967. --www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) Of course it's worth saving, but I think it'll take a major "paradigm shift" (sorry) regarding economic growth, personal values and birth control. Not bloody likely, eh? The love of money, and that amazing effect that our gonads (and religion) can impose, are some of the culprits. One of the worst things: fear of other cultures' mixing, or just their proximity, in our societies! Tom |
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tom wrote:
On Nov 28, 2:25Â*pm, "Swingman" wrote: This country, that is ... ever increasing examples of aberrant behavior makes you wonder: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081128/...wal_mart_death Here's hoping the security camera's were working and can be used to prosecute these idiots, who are arguably more despicable than the terrorists in India who have motives relatively more noble, by comparison, than sheer, unmitigated, selfish, consumer greed exhibited here. Really ****ing hard to believe ... I should have just gone to Canada in 1967. --www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) Of course it's worth saving, but I think it'll take a major "paradigm shift" (sorry) regarding economic growth, personal values and birth control. Not bloody likely, eh? The love of money, and that amazing effect that our gonads (and religion) can impose, are some of the culprits. One of the worst things: fear of other cultures' mixing, or just their proximity, in our societies! Tom Say what? The only left talking point you missed was re-distributive change. Aside from greed, the rest of your rant has no application to the problem discussed. Overpopulation caused people to trample someone? Economic growth caused people to stampede? Religion caused people trying to get to a sale to act like a mob? Xenophobia caused people to do this? A cogent argument that unbridled greed along with lack of moral and religious underpinnings led to the kinds of behaviors observed could be made here; your talking points don't seem to even address the problem. -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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On Nov 28, 4:28*pm, Mark & Juanita wrote:
tom wrote: On Nov 28, 2:25*pm, "Swingman" wrote: This country, that is ... ever increasing examples of aberrant behavior makes you wonder: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081128/...wal_mart_death Here's hoping the security camera's were working and can be used to prosecute these idiots, who are arguably more despicable than the terrorists in India who have motives relatively more noble, by comparison, than sheer, unmitigated, selfish, consumer greed exhibited here. Really ****ing hard to believe ... I should have just gone to Canada in 1967. --www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) Of course it's worth saving, but I think it'll take a major "paradigm shift" (sorry) regarding economic growth, personal values and birth control. Not bloody likely, eh? The love of money, and that amazing effect that our gonads (and religion) can impose, are some of the culprits. One of the worst things: fear of other cultures' mixing, or just their proximity, in our societies! Tom * Say what? *The only left talking point you missed was re-distributive change. * Aside from greed, the rest of your rant has no application to the problem discussed. * Overpopulation caused people to trample someone? * Economic growth caused people to stampede? * Religion caused people trying to get to a sale to act like a mob? * Xenophobia caused people to do this? * A cogent argument that unbridled greed along with lack of moral and religious underpinnings led to the kinds of behaviors observed could be made here; your talking points don't seem to even address the problem. -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough Think about it, neighbor. It's all (not just the stampede) about money, power, real estate and culture. Religion had nothing to do with this Christmas sale, of course(smirk). Perhaps one might trample someone to get that special toy for his or her progeny. Gonads, that is. Legacy. Culture. And the general question of "Should it be saved" needs to address it's (Whatever "it" may be, still being unspecified) leading problems. So think globally. However, I'm thinking about a big sailboat, and leaving anyway. Vote Libertarian! So very far right, I appear left. Nomex donned. Tom |
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