HI all,

Coming for some help. I am making new cabinet doors for my kitchen. I am
using Santos Mahogany. About 90% of my joints are breaking. I am using
Titebond 2 that is about 2 years old. It looks like bubbles in the joint.
I am applying it with a roller so there should not be any bubbles. I
allowed it to dry overnight. I have run all the edges thru the jointer.
They are tight without any pressure. Can glue go bad? Do you need to prep
mahogany to get it to bond well?

Thanks.

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"Master Chef Richard Campbell" wrote

They are tight without any pressure. Can glue go bad? Do you need to prep
mahogany to get it to bond well?

Yes and no, respectively ... buy new, especially if the glue may have been
subjected to below freezing temperatures. Regardless, don't take the chance,
buy new.

Not a bad idea to shake the bottle on occasion, also ...

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On Aug 12, 7:31*pm, "Master Chef Richard Campbell"
wrote:
HI all,

Coming for some help. I am making new cabinet doors for my kitchen. I am *
using Santos Mahogany. About 90% of my joints are breaking. I am using *
Titebond 2 that is about 2 years old. It looks like bubbles in the joint. *
I am applying it with a roller so there should not be any bubbles. I *
allowed it to dry overnight. I have run all the edges thru the jointer. *
They are tight without any pressure. Can glue go bad? Do you need to prep *
mahogany to get it to bond well?

Thanks.

--
Master Chef Richard Campbell
100% Delightfully Evil for Your Protection

I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long *
and I assume they deserve it. --Dogbert

I never keep glue for more than a year. If freezes, it can go bad. If
you leave it oen to much it can go bad.
I would invest in a new bottle of glue.

Randy
http://nokeswoodworks.com

On Aug 12, 8:31*pm, "Master Chef Richard Campbell"
wrote:
HI all,

Coming for some help. I am making new cabinet doors for my kitchen. I am *
using Santos Mahogany. About 90% of my joints are breaking. I am using *
Titebond 2 that is about 2 years old. It looks like bubbles in the joint. *
I am applying it with a roller so there should not be any bubbles. I *
allowed it to dry overnight. I have run all the edges thru the jointer. *
They are tight without any pressure. Can glue go bad? Do you need to prep *
mahogany to get it to bond well?

Thanks.

--
Master Chef Richard Campbell
100% Delightfully Evil for Your Protection

I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long *
and I assume they deserve it. --Dogbert

Are they 5 piece doors? Raised panel? Panel had no room to expand and
pushed the joints open? I have seen that happen. Just a hunch. Could
be wrong.

"Master Chef Richard Campbell" wrote:

Titebond 2 that is about 2 years old.

Take a tip from all the cooking show chefs.

USE FRESH INGREDIENTS.

2 year old Titebond 2 isn't fresh, IMHO.

Lew

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:23:32 -0500, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Take a tip from all the cooking show chefs.

USE FRESH INGREDIENTS.

2 year old Titebond 2 isn't fresh, IMHO.

Lew

Okay I am off to get a new bottle of glue. I am also going to grab a
cabinet scrapper. Buddy of mine came over and confirmed the uselessness of
the glue. Tomorrow I get to reglue everything after cleaning the glue off
the joints. Any good suggestions on removing glue that dries in clumps and
flakes off easily.

Gary brought his scrapper and worked on a couple of pieces. I really like
hand scrapped look on the mahogany.

Type of doors. They are 5 piece doors with frosted arched top glass panels
with bevelled edge.

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and I assume they deserve it. --Dogbert

On Aug 12, 10:11*pm, "Master Chef Richard Campbell"
wrote:


Type of doors. They are 5 piece doors with frosted arched top glass panels *
with bevelled edge.

Well, that blows my theory.

"Master Chef Richard Campbell" wrote:

I am also going to grab a cabinet scrapper.

SFWIW.

My landlord was a gasket manufacturer.

They use a product known as "steel rule die" to make stamping dies.

A piece 2"-3" long makes a great scraper.

If you can find a die house in your area that will sell a couple of
feet, it's worth the effort to chase it down.

Lew

"Master Chef Richard Campbell" wrote in message
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HI all,

Coming for some help. I am making new cabinet doors for my kitchen. I am
using Santos Mahogany. About 90% of my joints are breaking. I am using
Titebond 2 that is about 2 years old. It looks like bubbles in the joint.
I am applying it with a roller so there should not be any bubbles. I
allowed it to dry overnight. I have run all the edges thru the jointer.
They are tight without any pressure. Can glue go bad? Do you need to prep
mahogany to get it to bond well?

Thanks.

--
Master Chef Richard Campbell
100% Delightfully Evil for Your Protection

I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long
and I assume they deserve it. --Dogbert

I've read what others said and totally agree that you should use fresh glue.
But.....

This goes back a couple of years and there was kinda of a follow-up post
that someone else made a couple months back about using old glue. I don't
remember the words exactly but even though the glue may be old (there's
gotta be a limit to how old) but the tech at Titebond told him to rap the
bottle hard a whole bunch of times to "shock it".

I'm no chemist but I did have an old bottle of Titebond lying around and it
didn't look good - color was almost muddy looking. Well, I rapped the
bottle solidly against my hand about a dozen times and damned if it didn't
just change color and went from being almost gel like - to fluid in the
bottle again. There was term they used for that but I don't remember.

I just made so cabinet doors and drawers for my sister's kitchen rehab and
no, I didn't use that glue but I did use it on some scraps to test. None of
the scrap pieces I glued up broke on the glue line.

So how old was the glue I used...? Over 5 years old and it had been out in
my unheated shop for several years - that means it probably was frozen and
thawed more than once...

So if you just stirred or shook the hell out of the glue thinking that it's
all mixed now - nope, it's not. Shock it now and glue some test pieces
together and prove it to yourself. A follow-up post would be nice but make
it in a new thread like "Glue Test" or something so it stands out....

Bob S.

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:58:32 -0400, "Bob S." wrote:

Well, I rapped the
bottle solidly against my hand about a dozen times and damned if it didn't
just change color and went from being almost gel like - to fluid in the
bottle again. There was term they used for that but I don't remember.

Thixotropic

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thixotropic

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

Master Chef Richard Campbell wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:23:32 -0500, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Take a tip from all the cooking show chefs.

USE FRESH INGREDIENTS.

2 year old Titebond 2 isn't fresh, IMHO.

Lew

Okay I am off to get a new bottle of glue. I am also going to grab a
cabinet scrapper. Buddy of mine came over and confirmed the
uselessness of the glue. Tomorrow I get to reglue everything after
cleaning the glue off the joints. Any good suggestions on removing
glue that dries in clumps and flakes off easily.

Gary brought his scrapper and worked on a couple of pieces. I really
like hand scrapped look on the mahogany.

You might want to go over to Youtube and search on "sharpening
scraper"--seeing it done once is a better than reading about it.
Also, if you get the DIY network where you are look for a repeat of
Wood Works episode 705, which is the best video on scraper sharpening
I've ever seen. In theory you can see the scraper sharpening part at
http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/ww_mat...748847,00.html
but in practice all I get off the link is an ad--I don't know if that
part of the DIY site is temporarily down or what.

Type of doors. They are 5 piece doors with frosted arched top glass
panels with bevelled edge.

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In article op.ufsud1ojfo134t@chef-pc, "Master Chef Richard Campbell" wrote:
HI all,

Coming for some help. I am making new cabinet doors for my kitchen. I am
using Santos Mahogany. About 90% of my joints are breaking. I am using
Titebond 2 that is about 2 years old.

Just because you've had it for two years doesn't mean it's *only* two years
old. :-)

Look at the date code on the bottle, specifically the first two characters
(number + letter). The number is the final digit of the year it was made, and
the letter indicates the month (A is January, M is December, I is not used).
So, for example, 7K would be October 2007, and 8E would be May 2008.

As long as it's stored at room temperature, it's supposedly good for two years
after it was made.

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"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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Master Chef Richard Campbell wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:23:32 -0500, Lew Hodgett
wrote:

Take a tip from all the cooking show chefs.

USE FRESH INGREDIENTS.

2 year old Titebond 2 isn't fresh, IMHO.

Lew

Okay I am off to get a new bottle of glue. I am also going to grab a
cabinet scrapper. Buddy of mine came over and confirmed the
uselessness of the glue. Tomorrow I get to reglue everything after
cleaning the glue off the joints. Any good suggestions on removing
glue that dries in clumps and flakes off easily.

Gary brought his scrapper and worked on a couple of pieces. I really
like hand scrapped look on the mahogany.

You might want to go over to Youtube and search on "sharpening
scraper"--seeing it done once is a better than reading about it.
Also, if you get the DIY network where you are look for a repeat of
Wood Works episode 705, which is the best video on scraper sharpening
I've ever seen. In theory you can see the scraper sharpening part at
http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/ww_mat...748847,00.html
but in practice all I get off the link is an ad--I don't know if that
part of the DIY site is temporarily down or what.

Type of doors. They are 5 piece doors with frosted arched top glass
panels with bevelled edge.

--
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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)



John,
Thanks for the link - the video worked fine for me (after the ad finished).
Kerry

Tom Veatch wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:58:32 -0400, "Bob S." wrote:

Well, I rapped the
bottle solidly against my hand about a dozen times and damned if it didn't
just change color and went from being almost gel like - to fluid in the
bottle again. There was term they used for that but I don't remember.

Thixotropic

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thixotropic

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

Thanks....... (I think...)

Thick-sock-atropy.....

Bob S.